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David Cage: DualShock is the end of an era

Quantic Dream's David Cage expects the DualShock to mark "the end of an era" for conventional video game controllers, saying that he hopes new devices "will open new ground" for game development, but that he doesn't know whether "Kinect or Move are the ultimate answer."

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LOGICWINS4762d ago

A dualshock/360 controller hybrid would be SICK!

GrieverSoul4762d ago

Personally, a Dualshock with the X360 triggers would be the perfect controller. The sticks layout are great and the buttons perfect too. Jus the L2 and R2. Nothing else.

Freddy_Millz14762d ago

They still sell little plastic pieces that you can snap onto the L2 and R2 buttons that make them into triggers, just gotta look around for them. Pretty good add for $3 i always thought.

-Alpha4762d ago (Edited 4762d ago )

I have it, it's good but a little too large.

The ones on the Move controller are perfect, Sony needs that on the Dualshock (or at least rubberized so that they don't feel slippery)

Miths4762d ago

I've been using those DS3 trigger attachments for so long that I had completely forgotten they weren't part of the controller :).

The triggers on the 360 controller - or the Move controller as Alpha-Male22 pointed out - are still better though.
Even without the trigger attachments I don't think I would consider the DS3 triggers all that problematic - I use L1/R1 in shooters, and in racing games (those where I don't use my G25 wheel) I've always preferred accelerating and braking with the right stick instead of the triggers, even when I still had an XBox 360.

NiKK_4194761d ago (Edited 4761d ago )

Yes, the move trigger is absolutely perfect, I love it and I am absolutely sure it will be incorporated in the DS4

And I do have the snap on triggers for the DS3, and while they help, I still think I would rather use R1 L1 for shooters (I go back and forth on which I like), but they are great for racing

I talked about this before, but they should just make the DS4 2 move controllers that snap together with something in the middle (while the move controllers are at an angle

Now granted, they would have to be an upgraded move and it would have to resemble a dualshock while together, I'm not exactly sure how they would pull this off, but to me it would be the perfect solution, because you wouldn't have to buy a move separate and all games could incorporate move as an option because it would be a standard, and it would be cheaper for the consumer, its win win for everyone and should definitely be considered by sony

MaxXAttaxX4761d ago (Edited 4761d ago )

Yes and YES.
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But I don't agree with David Cage. I think traditional controllers should still be the standard.
I love the Wii and all, but I can't play a motion game for too long before getting bored.

DualShocks are still good well-rounded controllers :)

RankFTW4761d ago

I use these two attachments on my DS3 and imo it makes it the best controller I've ever used.

http://www.game.co.uk/Acces...

http://www.kontrolfreek.com...

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-Alpha4762d ago (Edited 4762d ago )

Dualshock 4 needs to be more like Dualshock 2 but with better triggers and more resistance for the analog sticks with stronger rumble feedback.

I think it should have rubberized borders for extra grip, and media buttons below the analog sticks like the OnLive controller, which IMO looks like a great 360/PS3 hybrid. With this, they need to have glow-in-the-dark buttons for when you are playing in the dark.

news4geeks4762d ago

No the resistance is perfect. Nice and slick for quick precise aiming. If they are going to put triggers on it make sure they are not designed as a cheap gimmick just to pretend that it's like pulling a trigger on a gun; actually make it so that there is a minimal button press.

But you've heard enough of my controller ramblings, I like you other ideas btw.

BeOneWithTheGun4762d ago

Alpha, i dont think glow in the dark buttons are needed. I mean, really, who doesnt have the button layout memorized?

Swiftfox4761d ago

I'm not sure I would like triggers for the L2/R2 buttons, or further resistance on the sticks.

The resistance on the sticks is there on the Xbox 360 simply because it was designed with the Western hand in mind. Western gamers tend to put power behind movements of the thumb rather than finesse of Eastern hands, where it is all about subtle movements. It would only serve to alienate the Eastern gamers by uping the resistance to an uncomfortable level.

Triggers honestly don't seem to fit the dualshock, certainly not from an Eastern perspective. On the Dualshock you have access to all four shoulder buttons simultaneously. You can press L1/L2 down with index and middle finger very comfortably. Triggers are concave and would lead to that being very uncomfortable and awkward feeling as it is on the Xbox 360 controller. The Dualshock was designed to fit as many game types as possible, triggers do not lend themselves well to that overarching philosophy.

The Dualshock is an eastern design and honestly shouldn't be contradicted by western preferences. The west has never really had much of an issue with the design before so why change it now?

About the rumble. I'm sure it would rumble stronger if they didn't have to put Sixaxis tech into the controller as well. We should honestly feel lucky we even have rumble on the PS3 controller.

-Alpha4761d ago (Edited 4761d ago )

@Swiftfox

The DS2 has resistance similar to the Xbox controller, so I don't think your comparison of Eastern/Western gamers has ever been a factor. Additionally, by having light analogs for Western audiences, under your theory, Sony is alienating Western gamers.

@Onewiththegun

Not for the original buttons but for the media controls that I think is necessary for the media-driven consoles these days. And if that makes sense they may as well do it for the rest of the buttons

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tigertron4762d ago

I'd rather have a Gamecube/Dualshock hybrid to be honest. The GC's buttons replaced with the X,O,Triangle and Square.

Although, I'm hoping normal controllers like the Dualshock stay around for as long as possible, until they invent proper VR stuff.

DFresh4762d ago

Nah.
I believe the analog controller and the keyboard/mouse will never go away.
But new interfaces and controls could result in different types of gaming.
Variety is the key people.
:)

Swoon4762d ago

Exactly! I want a dualshock that can also be used as a stress toy.

Lirky4762d ago

Well their next game may be ps move exclusive or kinect exclusive too bad ill miss out on it.

CGI-Quality4762d ago

Move-exclusive or Dualshock/Move compatible. Quantic's games will all be PlayStation exclusive this go around.

Kantor4762d ago

The analog controller is a brilliant multi-genre device, and I have yet to see anything (except maybe KB+M) which works better overall.

MostJadedGamer4762d ago (Edited 4762d ago )

All Next Gen consoles will launch with something other then a traditonal controller. That is just a simple fact. The Wii has forced everybodies hand. Every console from here on out is guaranteed to launch with something other then a traditional controller.

Dno4762d ago

the wii also has the least industry support and sales are falling quickly while xbox and ps3 are up on past years. not ready to throw in the towel yet on traditional controllers.

I think next gen will come with move 2 and Dual shock 4 in every box

MostJadedGamer4761d ago

I am not even saying its going to be a motion controller. The control devices could be something entirely new that no one expects.

What I am saying is that none of the consoles will launch with a traditional controller. The days of the traditional controller are dead, and yes the Wii is totally to blame for that.

As far as Nintendo I think they will go back to 3rd place in the console market as neither Sony or MS will be caught with their pants down sitting on their laurels again.

They will launch their systems with innovative new controllers Next Gen. They will also have more powerful hardware(as Nintendo refuses to sell their systems at a loss while both Sony, and MS are willing to sell their systems at a major loss, and they will both have, far, far, far better 3rd party support then Nintendo that is given.

Nintendo has had crap 3rd party suppose for 3 straight generations now(N64, Gamecube, and Wii). That is never going to change for several reasons.

If you don't know those reasons ask me to explain them, and I will break them down for you in my next post.

Dno4758d ago

i can bet you there will be traditional controls on xbox and ps3 next gen and the gen after that.

That means a d-pad , buttons, 2 anolag sticks.

MostJadedGamer4757d ago

Well Dno you are going to be in for a huge dissapointment if you actually believe that. Traditional controllers will be as dead as 2D games Next Gen.

Dno4757d ago

ok cool its a bet. with the first 2 next gen portables have basic controls 3DS and NGP so im looking good so far.

now we have to wait for news on future consoles

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25 years of story-driven titles, the present and future of Quantic Dream - Interview with David Cage

Ruliweb interviewed Quantic Dream CEO David Cage at G-Star 2022.

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jznrpg517d ago (Edited 517d ago )

Heavy Rain was my favorite . Fahrenheit was great too

MadLad517d ago

Eh.

Beyond Two Souls and Detroit were alright for the most part.
They're still making games, so something going decent for them.

Supermassive is definitely beating them in this genre though.

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David Cage defends response to allegations of unhealthy studio culture at Quantic Dream

From Eurogamer: "David Cage has responded to allegations of unhealthy studio culture and inappropriate behaviour at Quantic Dream, which he previously described as a "smear campaign".

Published in this month's Edge Magazine, Cage discusses in depth the company culture of the studio and denies a lack of humility in its response to allegations.

"I don't think we had an aggressive attitude," he said. "When you're accused of things that go against everything you believe in, everything you've done in your life, it hurts. It went beyond just attacking the studio culture."

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jznrpg619d ago

Hasn’t this been a story for years now ? Doesn’t seem like anything changed or they have some very upset workers who lie for a long time ? Seems like it isn’t the latter .

SegaSaturn669619d ago

They should hire Kevin Spacey as a janitor. That would be awesome.

sourOG619d ago

The people who use words like “unhealthy culture” are usually mentally ill themselves. Not saying it’s not true, just sayin.

MadLad619d ago

Interesting comment to make ..

sourOG619d ago

Lol just saying. The last person I want to hear about “healthy culture” from is the people who use those words. Ususlly some kind of identity theory-ism. Commie talk.

jartoon618d ago

Okay... How would a mentally healthy person describe a shitty work environment?

sourOG618d ago

Shitty work environment

sourOG618d ago

I’m getting some disagrees so let me elaborate and try to change your mind.

Do you want to hear about healthy culture from people who celebrate fatness or put kids on puberty blockers as a few examples? That’s the kind of people who say shit like that and they are the most destructive force I’ve ever seen in my life when it comes to culture. Easily.

When you say culture what do you mean? The very core, right? The soul. QD is rotten to the very core and it needs to be replaced. With what? Ask whoever is using that term. I’m sure they have an idea. And I’d bet money their idea of healthy culture is ass backwards and not profitable lol.

Another example. I just saw a Kellogg ad that said “Food Justice for black communities”. They think they can trigger black folks into buying cereal with words like justice lol. They might be right, who knows. I laugh at shit like that though because I see right through these idiots.

TLDR:
Some people use words to communicate. “Shitty work environment”

Some people use words to manipulate. “Unhealthy culture” “Food justice”

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generic-user-name618d ago

Sites like Kotaku have been crapping on Cage for a long time now, to the point where I'm suspicious of if he has earned the bad rep he has. Go read Kotaku's review of Detroit, I recall it being borderline unprofessional.

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Heavy Rain 2: Should David Cage Work on a Sequel?

Cage has confessed he has no plans for Heavy Rain 2, but fans have been quite vocal about their love for the game. Perhaps now that the PlayStation 5 is revolutionising the gaming landscape, we might get a proper sequel to one of the best games David Cage has ever made.

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CrimsonWing69961d ago

If he did it’ll probably be toned way down.

Ninver961d ago

No! Leave the IP alone. It's a classic.

NecrumOddBoy961d ago

No need. Heavy Rain was incredible as it was. Detroit Become Human was the next evolution. I do think they should continue with a new story but perhaps something less dark drama. I think it would be really cool to do something lighter with humor. The fantasy demo they showed off was pretty cool. If Kara became a full game, that would be great too!

smashman98961d ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Detroit become Human the full game for kara

NecrumOddBoy961d ago (Edited 961d ago )

Yes. Kara became Detroit. Also the job interview trailer demo back in 2007/8 became Heavy Rain. There was also a video about an actor who was portraying a dark sorcerer. I think that could be something too. I was saying since Kara did become a game, then their newer demo trailer could have too.

https://youtu.be/BqeuHGESZB...

smashman98961d ago

Oh ok I misunderstood. I see what u meant now.

Muigi961d ago

Lol I’m actually replaying that now love this and Detroit. Doesn’t need a sequel imo.

Orchard961d ago

No. One of the most boring games I’ve played.