310°

If Sony Doesn't Shoot Itself in the Foot - NGP Will Succeed

The NGP could repeat history if Sony doesn't learn from their mistakes, so what went wrong with the PSP?

Read Full Story >>
gameplaytoday.com
zootang4760d ago (Edited 4760d ago )

I don't understand all the negativity, do we not want a HD portable console with dual analogue sticks? That can play play films with, search the web and more.

LOGICWINS4760d ago (Edited 4760d ago )

Of course, people would WANT it. The issue is:

How many people who ALREADY own PS3s want to spend ANOTHER $300 on something they basically already have?

Also, how many gamers who don't own a PS3 will be willing to buy an NGP over a PS3 when the PS3 has a Blu-ray player, free internet browser, and 1st and 3rd party support from devs with half a decade of PS3 experience?

diehardgamer10004760d ago

its not portable and therefore they don hv it.keyword PORTABLE

ABizzel14760d ago

The same argument can be said for the 3DS, or 360 or Wii's successor. You're going to be paying for a new console, that will have the same old franchises with very little new anything, outside of 3rd party outings.

Gamers buy consoles, because they like to play games, and it's been stated that every game they've shown while current PS3 franchises are completely new/different games.

That Logic you used was awful.

If that was the case no one would ever buy a Nintendo console, because they've been playing the same franchises since forever. Mario, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Metroid, Mario Party, and the list goes on.

DigitalHorror814760d ago

For someone by the name of "LogicWins", your comment is full of fail.

LOGICWINS4760d ago (Edited 4760d ago )

In this case thats irrelavent because the NGP is being marketed as a "portable console with PS3 quality games" Why bother with the portable when you can get the real thing with on a bigger screen, 3d support, devs with more experience, and no possibility of having to pay for a 3G service ON TOP of ur regular internet service?

@ABIZZEL- Actually, if u took your Sony blinders off u would understand that Nintendo is a special case since they've been making portable consoles since the 90s! Any portable console that says Nintendo will SELL no matter what. Its called brand familiarity.

Nicaragua4760d ago

Ah - that explains why the gamecube, N64, and virtual boy were all such a runaway success.

Cheers for clearing that up.

suicidalblues4760d ago

Ahh yes, there it is. The 'ol " you disagree so you're a fanboy" argument. Good one Logic. Funny that his comment had no fanboy in it. I own a laptop and a desktop pc, but why? According to you that makes no sense.

Take off your own blinders before accusing others, it'll make you sound smarter.

jeseth4760d ago

@ Logicwins

1)How many low self esteem loser buy the annual iteration of the iphone so they can feel cooler and better about themselves?

2)Because they want it to be portable.

Logicwins?

LOGICWINS4760d ago (Edited 4760d ago )

"Any PORTABLE console that says Nintendo will SELL no matter what. Its called brand familiarity."

Re-read my comment Nicaragua

"@ Logicwins

1)How many low self esteem loser buy the annual iteration of the iphone so they can feel cooler and better about themselves?

2)Because they want it to be portable.

Logicwins?"

1) The fact that u label everyone who buys the Iphone every year as a "low self-esteem loser" says A LOT about ur own self esteem. What gives u the right to say someone has "low-self esteem" because they choose to buy something they like?

2) The Iphone DOESN'T have a big brother that does EVERYTHING it does in a bigger, better way for relatively the SAME price. In a market, where the NGP is $250 and the PS3 is $300...what do u think is going to happen when the NGP is marketed as a "PS3 on the go"?

The only thing that comes close to an Iphone BIG brother as an Ipad or Mac. But guess what, there out of the price range of an Iphone.

To put it more simply:

(Iphone: $200, Ipad:$500, Mac:$1000)

^^THIS WORKS because there priced away from each other

(NGP: $250, PS3: $300

^^THIS DOESN'T work

Nicaragua4760d ago

Why would i re-read your edited comment? Dont you have the integrity to admit that you just didnt state your point correctly by including the word portable ?

Have some backbone and credibility for fucks sake.

LOGICWINS4760d ago

Integrity? Credibility? Buddy..why so serious?

Nicaragua4760d ago

Im "so serious" because i didnt wish to phrase what i intended to say in a humorous way.

Still i want to try and be down with the kids so let me give it a try - Logicwins, you are an utter bell end.

LOGICWINS4760d ago

"Still i want to try and be down with the kids so let me give it a try - Logicwins, you are an utter bell end."

Ummm...I don't know what that means.

longcat4760d ago

A MAJOR reason for ppl not giving up CFW is due to the added functionality.

If sony does not have an open app store, this will happen again

Frak4760d ago

these are the worst ponits ever. PS3 is a console while ngp is a hanheld. Sony has ponited that out already just so noobs like u can't type stuff like this.ohh ..wait..too late

Nicaragua4760d ago

Dont worry about it kiddo, its obvious from your comments here that you dont really have much of an understanding about anything.

Kewl_Kat4760d ago

"In this case thats irrelavent because the NGP is being marketed as a "portable console with PS3 quality games" Why bother with the portable when you can get the real thing with on a bigger screen, 3d support, devs with more experience, and no possibility of having to pay for a 3G service ON TOP of ur regular internet service?"

Does. Not. Make. Sense. At. All. It's PORTABLE, that's the whole point. Using your logic (if there's any), laptops are also useless considering they perform the same tasks desktops do. I can't believe people still have to explain the concept of portability to you. Portable device with PS3 graphics quality is one of its selling point. You know why people would bother buying one? The same reason why people would bother buying a 3DS or ipad. If they're on a vacation/plane/airport/hotel/s chool cafeteria, and they wanna have play a videogame to kill some time, then out goes the NGP from their pockets or bags. My PS3 can play mp3s, but I don't sit in front of it and listen to songs, I use my psp for that.

jeseth4760d ago

@ logicwins

Okay, apparently you can spew sarcasm and stereotypes but can't comprehend it when someone come back at you with it.

1) How about just, people that "have to" have the annual iteration of an iphone. Is that better for you. And they are not $200 when you buy one before your contract is up. But people will continue to shell out $$$ year after year just to have the newest thing, why then is it so hard for you to believe that people wouldn't/shouldn't buy the NGP/PSP2 when its release date relative to its predecessor is several years apart and has exceptionally better tech. Ur logic fails.

2) Are you seriously so dense that you still don't get we are talking PORTABLE vs. CONSOLE? Unbelievable. Your argument and logic about PS3 vs. NGP continues to fail.

I also think its funny that you have to take a generalized statement and turn it into a personal insult. This shows your ignorance and also makes you look increasingly weaker in an argument you are losing badly.

Sticks and stones buddy, doesn't change that your argument is trash.

I hope you can't vote.

Trroy4760d ago

@LOGICWINS,

You realize that the PSP cost more than the PS2 when it was released, right?

And the DS cost more than the GameCube?

And the 3DS costs more than the Wii?

...and so on?

firefoxprime4760d ago

Haha...this is hilarious.
Sony fans fightin sony fans...truly truly pathetic.

Here's the bottom line. The psp was a portable ps2 right? Same will be said for the NGP. A portable PS3.

I will be upgrading my ps2 later this year. To a PS3? or an NGP?

LogicWins makes a strong case. As a consumer in an unstable economy, I'd purchase the PS3. Larger game library...bluray and such. Also, its multiplayer, so more people can enjoy.

Regarding the NGP, its so similiar to the PS3. The contrast between the DS and the Wii are so "appearant". Alot of psp gamers are ps2/ps3 gamers. They all feel under the impression of having a console gaming experience on the go. The games played on the psp were titles that were down scaled from their brother consoles.

Sometimes a psp game is so sucessful, that its reverse port to the PS2! Jak&Daxter:The Lost Frontier/Burnout:Dominator. Both titles stem from amazing franchises, yet their gameplay mechanics felt restricted on the PS2.

My point is that these gamers demand a console experience on a handheld, and are dissapointed when such experience is lacking. They want 2 analogs for better camera movement. Larger screen, better online capabalities. Yet, its still NOT a true console experience. And "that" is why the mentallity of those sony handheld gamers are so poor.

As a consumer, I want the most out of my money. The best experience I can moderately buy. So I will definetely play Killzone and Uncharted on the PS3 with a tv, analog controllers, not restricted to a minute handheld experience.

Backround: I own both sony/nintendo consoles/handhelds. I'm not bound to one console or company like many gamers are with their stupid mentalities.

NiKK_4194760d ago

@LOGICWINS (ironic name btw)
You do know that that price for the iPhone is on contract right? That is the only reason it is that much cheaper. The iPhone off contract is about as much as iPad which is like $600 to $850, not $500 (unless yu are talking about the first iPad, but that is the price AFTER the iPad 2 released...so $500 is incorrect either way)

Anyway, all of these Apple products are extremely overpriced and all of them are close to the price of a Mac, so by your logic everyone should just buy a Mac instead and forget about portability (even though a Mac does way more than an iphone or ipad and is almost the same price) but in the case of the NGP, remember, it is brand new, the price of the ps3 was $600 when it released, and this could very well be even better than the ps3...so i dint know what you are trying to say

RyuStrife4759d ago

Tell me this, LOGICWINS, how do I play my ps3 on a bus, plane, car, or boat? Carry a portable tv and battery? Do you know how big that will end up being? What if my relatives don't have a ps3 while I'm visiting?

I could just take out the NGP and play that instead. Besides, there will be games made for NGP only that will not appear on PS3.

+ Show (18) more repliesLast reply 4759d ago
news4geeks4760d ago (Edited 4760d ago )

apparently we don't. Some people appear to be genuinely pissed off at NGP having near ps3 graphics. I've seen articles and arguments along the lines of, "I'm not buying it because I might as well buy a console if the graphics are going to be that good". Or, "who wants to be able to have a console experience on the go when you could have it at home with a big TV". Yeah, pretty ridiculous and completely missing the point(the main point being a console experience anywhere at anytime). It's as though they are desperate for a lesser experience.

edit: logicwins proving my point :)

Parapraxis4760d ago

Agreed, his "logic" FAILS.

dabri54760d ago

There are genuinely a lot of people that just invested in PS3 either this year or last year that are very vocal about their purchase. They don't want to feel like they are behind the times yet again because they just caught up with the current gen stuff. These tend to be the same people who come on here and complain anytime anything xbox720 or ps4 is mentioned stating that its too soon or that Sony said 10 year life cycle without looking at the history of consoles. Sony has stated 10 year life cycles for all their systems which they have all gotten but they released a new console halfway through that life cycle as well. Face it people. Next gen is close at hand. Next gen portables are here and next gen consoles aren't far behind.

Kewl_Kat4760d ago

LOGICWINS should change his username to IRONYWINS

infamousinfolite4760d ago

The way I see sony shooting itself in the foot is how the NGP will work out I think it was the pirating of games that made the psp stand under the DS (someone correct) that and also the 3DS like Logic Wins said Nintendo the brand name that everyone knows and since Nintendo=3DS that'll be a hard fought battle between the 3DS and the NGP

hiredhelp4759d ago (Edited 4759d ago )

They have already made sucsess with it. alot of very good spec's alot of back up from devs already making games for it.
And with the people complaining of headaches from playing the 3DS nintendo in denial and not given refunds. think its only going one way.

pain777pas4759d ago

Thank you diehardgamer1000. This NGP thing is a big deal with the casual push in the living room this may be the last core system we get. We have to vote with our dollars people because next gen is going to change. WII was too successful to be ignored. The motion gaming thing is here to stay and if your wise you snag a 3DS and NGP and remember the good old days. Microsoft will go further left without real gamers at the helm there. Better yet people who understand the industry like Shapert, Moore and Allard. Sony has the NGP to fall back on if there is backlash with where Nintendo will take the industry next. Microsoft will follow Nintendo and I have a feeling that Nintendo is going to go in a direction that we didn't see or weren't paying attention to.

+ Show (3) more repliesLast reply 4759d ago
Shazz4760d ago

price is the key for most people , my top end is £ 350 i just wouldnt pay more for a handheld if im honest

infamousinfolite4760d ago

That's true. Actually I don't want to pay more than $150 but that ain't happening so I guess around $250...

dabri54760d ago

I wouldn't pay more than $299 for one. I'm really hoping it launches at $250 but I'm not holding my breath. Might just be worth it to wait a year for a new design and price drop. By then, there might be some really must have games that are cheap cause they have been out for a year.

hiredhelp4759d ago (Edited 4759d ago )

a agree price is a issue. but sony said it be cheaper than a ps3.? or simular price i heard.
----------------------------- -------------------------Wikipe dia,
-
Country Release price Release date
Australia A$349.95 September 1, 2005[50]
India INR19,990 September 1, 2005[51]
Pakistan PKR15,600 September 1, 2005[51]
United Kingdom £179.99 September 1, 2005[52]
Canada CA$229.99 March 22, 2006[53]
Europe €199.99 March 22, 2006[52]
United States US$199.99 March 22, 2006[53]
Chile CLP$169,990 April 4, 2008[54]

Dart894760d ago

Talk about shooting you're self in the foot xDD.

In the video go to 4.53 and watch till the end.

My guess the price is anywhere betwen $250-$350.

vgn244760d ago

I want it so bad, but the price is too dang high for me. I'm hoping for a drop after 6 months.

DigitalHorror814760d ago

You've still got 7-9 months to pay on it, why not reserve one for $50 down and put 5$ on it a week?

vgn244760d ago

Because I don't think it's worth the price they're asking right now. Maybe I'm wrong. I have to wait and see what things look like at launch. I'm not going to blindly jump at any platform. I bought a PSP Go and got burned. I still play my 3000. Waiting just makes more sense.

dabri54760d ago

It's worth the price if there are some must own games for it at launch. I'm not buying a 3ds till there is a great game for it (waiting for Zelda in June) and I won't buy the NGP till there is a great must have game for it. No point in buying a console at launch if you are going to have to wait a year before a game you genuinely want comes out. Why I waited for MGS4 before I bought my PS3.

pain777pas4759d ago

At E3 I think it will be clear. There will be glasses 3D for those who want it to compete with the 3DS. There will be serious support. Honestly I expect the best launch lineup of games for any of Sony's systems to date. I have a good feeling about this system. This is the "gamers" system. Many of us are going to game hard on this device one day. Save up now. I'm putting away $700 for the launch of this thing so that I am satisfied with the device. Working helps make these decisions easy. I want variety in my games. I want Uncharted, Wipeout, RR whatever and the hidden gem that shows what the system can do feature wise. As you can see I am truly anticipating this device and may import it if its not region locked.

kingdavid4759d ago

I agree with the price.

The ps3 sure as hell wasnt worth 599 dollars (we had to pay 1000 dollars here in aus!) but now that its worth about half that price its great.

First price drop Ill get one and by then, the games wouldve dropped in value as well.

Godmars2904760d ago (Edited 4760d ago )

Sony didn't shoot themselves in the foot, much of the media grabbed the gun while Sony held it and in the struggle...

Seriously, everything from Blu-ray and cell to the controller was questioned about the PS3 and only seen as not needed.

Show all comments (89)
280°

Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

Read Full Story >>
techraptor.net
ChasterMies13d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken13d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga13d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken13d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6413d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long13d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197213d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

+ Show (3) more repliesLast reply 13d ago
DivineHand12513d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91313d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer13d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91313d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit13d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

+ Show (2) more repliesLast reply 13d ago
Christopher13d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6913d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit13d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher13d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken13d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197213d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2313d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218313d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder13d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts13d ago

Headline truncated:
"... off a cliff"

Show all comments (43)
80°

Sony May Soon Let You Decide How Much NPCs Talk In Games

Sony has patented to add multiple dialogue modes to let players switch between how many conversations with NPCs they want in the game.

blackblades19d ago

Sony is like the only ones outta the 3 that has atuff like like this pop up changing thing in ways.

just_looken19d ago

Sony in the past has always been first at bat with new ideas/tech but in the end never fully use it or just toss it away.

blackblades19d ago

I think they did use some but yeah most usually never happened but at least they thought about it. Sony seeks things like this and other, Nintendo seek different ways of playing going by there different controler designs and console designs.

just_looken19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

some of the other stuff sony want's/owns never used
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://www.eurogamer.net/s...
https://metro.co.uk/2023/03...
https://decrypt.co/114754/s...

monitor/adjust game difficultly as you play
https://www.techradar.com/g...

Sony nfts
https://www.theblock.co/pos...

Pay ai to play the game for you
https://thebusinessofesport...

Oh all the above last 12 months

I just imagine a evil scientist with test subjects when it comes down to sony recent patent reports.

Kaii19d ago

Will we get dialogue options that won't spoil puzzles in a matter of seconds? :p

280°

Judge rules in PlayStation's favour in $500m patent infringement lawsuit

Genuine Enabling Technology was seeking damages, claiming the tech allowing PlayStation consoles and controllers to communicate infringes its rights.

Read Full Story >>
gamesindustry.biz
S2Killinit21d ago

Big victory for Sony. And a long time coming.

DarXyde21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Crazy to think the savings from this lawsuit allows them to develop one AAA game.

Make it Bloodborne 2, please and thank you.

21d ago
Profchaos21d ago

Sounds like patent trolling they tried the same thing against Nintendo with the same pattern.

Motion and control input traversing over higher and lower frequencies seperate from each other allowing the controller to do both

Pyrofire9521d ago

Patents suck. Most of them are complete garbage.

Knightofelemia21d ago

So to recoup the money Genuine is going to take on Nintendo or Microsoft next. I hate patent lawyers they are some of the worst bottom feeders out there.

Show all comments (13)