Halo 3 Natively runs at 640p?

According to this post in the Beyond3d.com forums, Halo 3 natively runs at 640p.

[Fan Tastic]

and of course games that followed.

Still Halo 3 is indeed Halo 1/2 in HD which is good enough for most fans. Regardless 40 million hype campaign is working and IGN, etc have looked past the faults of the game for over-rated scores.

[Violater]

so many people reporting the story.
What are u guys afraid of???
the truth will set you free in all glorious 640P
If this does not get approved then I say to hell with N4G

Edit: goodbye bubbles.
Damage control: when all is said and done numbers wont change the fact that Halo is a very fun game.

[JsonHenry]

Finally!!! I have been telling all you console boys out there that NONE of the games put out by either Sony or Microsoft run NATIVELY at a resolution greater than 800*600.

Too little memory, too little cache, and too little video power.

And I DON'T want to hear about the CELL being so great either. Sure, it IS capable of being a power house, but you can have the fastest CPU in the world but without enough RAM and cache on the CPU then it does not matter a bit.

The CELL in the PS3 is like having a 500 horsepower motor with only half of the gears on the transmission working.

[thewhoopimen]

Are you an idiot, did you read the article? there are no PS3 games that run under 720p and by the way its 1280 x 720 for 720p and probably 1100 x 640 if it is 640p. All HDTVs nowadays are widescreen 800 x 600 is a 4:3 good ol' Trinitron tuber [sic]. (which is probably what you use to game on your next gen system)

[TriggerHappy]

Funny. To improve framerate you lower the resolution. There's a good scaler in that er 360. Sad thing is, that if Sony had 4 games that weren't native 720p or more - they'd be hung from the highest tree by the media.

And where's that "free AA" ? Hm...where's elitegamer when you need him...he championed this more than anything.

[Mu5afir]

You mean the 10mb eDRAM that wouldn't even be enough to do a complete 4xMSAA sample? The one that most "hardware" geniuses would use as an example of a superior 360 GPU? If they did the math, they would have realized how limited that eDRAM is, and why it becomes useless at anything above 720p, or anything that uses HDR etc...

[SlappyMcTaint]

You don't know the inner workings of the cell and how, if used properly, takes the need for huge amounts of RAM away by using all of the different caches and spu's and bandwidth efficiently. Cell is the future of ALL computing -at least the theory of cell, the idea of massive amounts of processors all chewing up tasks a little at a time for greatly increased bandwidth and data processing.

And both PS3 and 360 have the same amount of RAM, so please bury that argument. And yes i know they both use RAM differently. It's old computing versus what we'll all be using in 5-10 years in some form or other.

[EdoBMP]

Who is this post written by. Can measuring the pixels of the edge of a game object be an accurate measurement of the resolution as a whole. I can't see how people can just run with this guys post like it some kind of professional analysis. Thats nuts, a lot of these posters and commenters run around acting like liberals turning uncorralated and uncoraborated stories into truth. Besides what do people really want. This game has been in production for years, right. We have to assume its design was based on a standard set a while back. As long as a company does publish false information regarding HD graphics or retouch videos and screenshots, us as the consumer should be satisfied with what we preview first hand in demos and available media.

[m9105826]

1.2... you're an idiot. Remember that PS3 devs didn't even have access to the scalar algorithm for the PS3 until recently. They HAD to make the games run natively, or they wouldn't run in HD at all.

[Dareaver1]

Does it make sense for people who have no interest in this game or this console constantly come into these posts as if their opinions mattered? Why be so childish and post this nonsense. I heard from somewhere over the rainbow that such and such said this, then such and such said that, and now it's a proven fact. Until Bungie comes out and says what the native resolution of the game is, it really doesn't matter what anyone else says. Especially with no factual information to support their claim.

But why does any of this matter. I'm sorry to say, but Sony has tainted this industry. It used to be about gaming, now we have to deal with hardware claims and bs. Who cares, does the game look awesome (check), is the game fun to play (check), does the game legitimize it's purchase (check), am i going to be able to play this game for a long time (check.) Shouldn't that be all that matters to us. We are suppose to be gamers right. We should care about the games instead of which console they are on. And we should be able to appreciate what the consoles offer to help push forward our gaming experiences. This fanboy nonsense is getting very tiresome. And fanboys aren't even gamers, just pre-pubescent children with a hard-on for justifying their purchases. And screaming childishly that "mines is better than yours."

We are suppose to be enjoying these games, not trolling around the internet looking for or (in some cases) making up stories to make the other console or game look bad. Games are all about fun, how much fun is that?

Let's game on people, and help show that this industry is full of mature educated people, and also that this industry should be taken seriously.

Because all this fanboyism sure doesn't help it look positive in anyway.

I guess fanboys must not have liked what i said, that's why i'm getting disagrees with no response. Well if you are offended then, i guess you are a fanboy. And for that, i hope it's a wake up call.

[dale1]

640 the lowest iv,e got is 576 then 720 then 1080p no halo for me

[bym051d]

The scaler will upconvert to 720p, 1080i, or 1080p (or lots of other rez).

[Icecold33]

It's funny how you guys are so quick to believe and or jump on the bandwagon when bad 360 news comes out. But when an issue comes out on the PS3 everybody is in denial to the point of making personal attacks against the news bearer. This cycle actually is done by both 360 and PS3 fanboys, however from my view, the PS3 boy have gotten it down to an art.

Honestly, I have never in my life seen a bunch of people like this. There is something about HALO 3 that is scaring the Hell out of the typical sony fanboy. Really though, this is the biggest collection of hate I have ever seen over a stupid video game. Your hate for halo has already surpassed any levels previously set by the halo hype that preceeded it.

Also, wasn't it sony that said ALL PS3 Games would be in 1080P. Wasn't 1080p one of their biggest selling points along with Blu-ray? Can someone name 1 PS3 launch title that actually achieve the 1080p plateau. Seriously though.

The argument being made about High Def and all this other bullsh!t; now that is something that is overhyped and overrated. An excellent game DOES NOT NEED TO BE AT 1080p. Can someone say ZELDA!

The copies of Motorstorm and RFOM that were bought for me, are of no use to me, because my TV downstairs doesn't support 720p and I can't get them to work in 480 and definitely not 1080i PS3 just locks up. If I move my PS3 to the bedroom, I can play them there because that TV supports all resolutions. But, my girl is having no part in having the PS3 in the bedroom. And I don't really blame her.

But getting back to my point. You guys, have so much abhorrence for one another that it's actually sadning. Very disturbing! Very Disturbing

[SlippyMadFrog]

bubbles for you. I always enjoy reading your posts, we can certainly use more N4G members like you.

[bym051d]

I believe Ridge Racer 7 was a launch title in 1080p.

[clownfacemcgee]

I know you're lying, because I own Motorstorm and RFOM and both run just fine at 480i. My friend also owns Motorstorm and RFOM and just about every other PS3 game, and they all run just fine on his super small 480i tv. My other friend who has a PS3 has only a couple PS3 games, but I think he has RFOM and it runs just fine on his 720p tv at either 720p or 1080i. I don't know anyone who has a 1080p.

[artman]

ice ice ice,
I believe nobody is afraid of halo, for me personally... I don't enjoy FPS games, so it's too over hyped for a game. I believe it's a fun game for networking game with friends. I gonna jump in the play with my friends (even it's not my game)

And not all people here have HDTV my friend, I don't even own the latest TV in my house yet. I'm waiting for LED tv.
I play my ps3 on SDTV, even sometimes I play it on my 20 years old 29" Toshiba TV. and I don't have any problem with resolutions.

I know you want to convince people about 360, it's a good hardware but not in quality (I had one, and it's useless since red light)
even my xbox now got red light too.

just enjoy the ride.
we all will play and move forward, choose what you like, no need to be biased with the one you can't afford nor faithless brand.

[achira]

lol, this powns all hyped halo freaks, who spoke about 1080p. lol, idiots. 640p, lol, lol, lol, such a small resolution does the ps3 even not support.

[Wii60_FTW]

cuz most ps3 games run at 480p on most hdtvs.

[rubarb23]

ownd!!!

[bym051d]

No, the PS3 runs on 480p if the game only supports 720p and you have an older HDTV that doesn't allow 720p input (like mine :( ).

E: What's to disagree? It's a minority of TVs that have a problem. I'm in that minority.

[MikeGdaGod]

WTF are you talkin about.

NONE, i repeat, NONE of the game i have run at that resolution.

this is a classic example of fanboys saying ANYHTING to try to down another system. dude, you have no idea what you're talking about

[SlappyMcTaint]

"cuz most ps3 games run at 480p on most hdtvs."

UUH, NOO! Switch your cables, genius.

HD resolutions require either Component or HDMI cables. The only other reason your supposed PS3 games are running in 480p is because your HDTV is out of date and doesn't support 720p.

Wii360 Pwned FTW!!!

[bym051d]

480p requires Component or HDMI also. Composite and S-Video maxout at 480i.

[bym051d]

As much as I hate my PS3 not having a scaler, I wonder if it's better than companies abusing the scaler in the 360 by not making games at least 720p.

To the article naysayers, Beyond3d is a very well regarded forums for 3D game developers.

[WafflesID]

PS3 does have a scaler. Right around the time MS announced their secret weapon ANA...sony unlocked the scaler with a firmware upgrade.

*edit*

Thanks for the clarification. Never read up on HANA.

I could have sworn I saw picture of the ANA scaler chip on the motherboard.

And the more I read, the more I think sony was FOS too, and their scaler isn't a hardware scaler either.

[AuburnTiger]

"The only other major change under the bonnet is the new HANA video display chip, replacing the old ANA version in the classic 360. This chip has erroneously been described as the silicon that deals with the 360's inbuilt hardware scaling. In truth, Microsoft has now confirmed to us that it's merely a video output chip - a means of transferring the framebuffer into all of the different signals: composite, s-video, RGB SCART, component, VGA and - the key addition with HANA - HDMI. Scaling itself is actually performed by the Xenos GPU (most likely using a variation of Lanczos resizing)"

you can't make this stuff up

[sonarus]

honestly halo 3 in particular is an over rated game. They did nothing revolutionary and the game is rather underwhelming. I can't wait for everyone to fall back to their senses. Am not saying its not a good game but it definetly isnt worth a 10 or a 9.5 or whatever. Reviewers must be rating on something completely different for halo 3 because i know if the exact same game came out but without the name halo on it, it would easily get an 8. I believe scores of 10 should be reserved for games that push the limits of a console. Halo gets away with frame rate issues and sub par graphics. The graphics are clearly better than halo 2 but comparing xbox 360 graphics with xbox graphics in the 1st place should be an insult.

[Antan]

"Halo 3 Natively runs at 640p"

Well it aint rocket science! PGR3 ran at nigh on the same rez, and has been well documented.

[jiggyjay]

You have to think that the source site is not at all bias?? Yeah right!! That's like saying sony actually cares about gaming on the PS3!

[BigFART]

Thats like M$ saying they care about the reliability of the 360 to its consumers???

[EdoBMP]

At first I thought it was blow to how much the XBOX costs but that can't be it because it is closely priced with the PS3 if you consider the HDDVD addon. Then maybe they think MS is ripping us off and taking all our $money, but as far as its been reported the profits on the xbox units are not very high per unit and there was always talk that MS was losing money on every unit they sold the the original xbox, so that didn't really make sense either. Despite hardware failures and what not, people are getting there units replaced or repaired, far more quickly than other products I've owned. Then I figured it out they must be jabbing at MS as a whole. The gigantic corporation headed by one of the richest men in the world. MS must be evil and greedy and only concerned about money. If this is truly the case as to why hundreds of the MS hater love to use the "M$" phrase it is truly misguided. First lets talk about Bill Gates, if not an example of an American success, he is one of the most charitable billionaires around, and if your not aware of that you must be living in a cave in pakistan. The company itself is poorly misunderstood, take a walk through their campus in Washington and I bet you would change your mind. MS gets a lot of flack from the liberal media and in my opinion an unfair shake from the Europian Union, gravely misunderstanding the aim of its OS. Please I would love for someone to tell me all about this "M$" "B$"

[BigFART]

...You're thinking too hard on this one. To me it represents exactly what it looks like (money, money, money). Microsoft is LOADED with it. I personally have never used it as a slam to Microsoft, or saying that their a giant evil money sucking corporation (in the end all of them are about the benjamins). I just cant believe they are getting by the massively defective 360 without a backlash from its core consumers. The warranty is only a bandage, its not a fix. I know, I know, falcon this, falcon that...I'll stick with what I know will last a long, long time.

[CaliGamer]

"First lets talk about Bill Gates, if not an example of an American success, he is one of the most charitable billionaires around, and if your not aware of that you must be living in a cave in pakistan. The company itself is poorly misunderstood, take a walk through their campus in Washington and I bet you would change your mind. MS gets a lot of flack from the liberal media and in my opinion an unfair shake from the Europian Union, gravely misunderstanding the aim of its OS. Please I would love for someone to tell me all about this "M$" "B$"

This statement shows your ignorance of Microsoft as a corporation. Bill Gates is generous but you have to look at the effects of tax write offs when you are as rich as he is. He has also invested in AIDS drug research, but he also is in the business of enforcing patents at the expense of the health of people around the world, especially in the developing world. I have no time to school you on the facts so you can look at the book (The Best Democracy Money Can Buy by Greg Palast for more information on page 189-191)
The Point is MS and Bill Gates are not being targeted, they are inherently immoral as by law their only motivation has to be profit. Its funny how conservatives always use blanket statements when they don't agree with something, labeling it "the liberal media". Get your head out your A$$ man, get your facts straight and for god sakes read. Sony, MS, Nintendo are all corporations, end of story.

[thewhoopimen]

Cali Gamer you are the one that needs major rethinking on your crap. In fact I would totally think you were either completely ignorant or MS PR spinner. Do you know when Bill Gates announced his "contribution" of billions to the then "newly" formed Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation? Yeah, you bet your ass during the US vs. Microsoft Trials. Of course, he's a generous giver... He just blackmailed the PC industry out of Billions and brought down Netscape! Where the hell do you read your news? Oh right the conservative media, where anything not-pro American big business is censored out. I am not saying he was the unscrupulous business man that he was back when, in fact I could even conjecture it is a result of his Asperger's Syndrome (do you even know he has it?)

But in anycase, he was a friend of Steve Jobs (Apple Founder) / partner during the Silicon Valley eras of the 1970s-1980s and borrowed a Mac Plus to copy and re-engineer the OS to Windows, because Apple refused to license the OS to IBM. What type of friend just does that?

[dantesparda]

Can both of you's shut the fvck up about "liberals" and the "liberal media". The media is not liberal, its just that anything left of Fox News is considered "liberal" by you right-wing conservative bastards! If the media was so liberal than why do most liberals hate the media too and consider it to be right-wing/conservative? And EDo, learn to speak English, that sh!t you wrote was hardly even illegible. And CaliGamer, you look like a straight up f@g in that picture.

And i dont think most of these games are being render at 1280 by 720 internally, but rather being upconverted/upscaled (an yes even on the PS3, and yes it can be done witout a scaler)

[spammy_nooo]

That is pretty sad when you think about it. The biggest game EVER(arguably) cant even run at 720p, which is their main competitors(ps3) LOWEST ALLOWED resolution. tsk tsk, Microsoft/Bungie.

[GaMr-]

They really weren't kidding when they said they don't need 1080P for gaming. Hell appearently they don't even believe in 720P anymore either....

LMFAO @ MICROSOFT... I love you guys. Its amazing how you have your loyals convinced. And they will defend this too and fight it all the way to the bank.

Still a little up tight. How Heavenly Sword was Butchered, Lair was butcchered.....

HALO3, Complaints of low res graphics,frame rate issues, Short campaign, Boring gameplay and now this. Yet receives perfect 10's across the board. It seems that PS3 games are rated on a "Next-Gen" scale and Xbox360 games are rated with the last Gen Scale. Thats the only logically explanation.

[Violater]

I'm glad that this little known fact has not gone completely unnoticed.

[MikeGdaGod]

true sh!t

[Meus Renaissance]

Approved, as it should be. And I don't appreciate how certain individuals make multiple reports on a story to kill it. E.g. "Lame" then "Spam" then "Fake" then "Other".

[BenzMoney]

Care to explain why it should've been approved? Seems to me it violates the posting guidelines. Too bad idiots have hijacked this (once good) site.

"Random dude posts in some random forum - should this be posted on N4G? Yes/No?" Correct answer - no.

Anyone who approves or posts articles/news/etc that breaks the guidelines, especially repeatedly, should have their contributor status taken away. Idiots have broken this site by ignoring the rules (whether it is modifying headlines to get hits or otherwise) - and others, like yourself, seem to be okay with it.

[Meus Renaissance]

That particular rule is in regards to another rule that no personal opinions, such as random/general posts on a forum, can be approved as news. Halo running at 640p is not an opinion but a fact as it is shown here.

How many times have articles been posted that were from Neogaf forums - not because someone had a comment to make, but that proof such as a screenshot, was provided to elevate the perception of opinion to FACT.

To interpret this rule, you have to consider the context of such forum posts. If someone posts "Halo sucks", that is not news but a random opinion. If someone posts "Bungie close down" on a forum and proves it by providing an official statement with a link, then it gets approved by N4G because its factual news regardless if its posted on a forum or drawn in the sand.

Do you now understand the rules or shall I go on?

[BenzMoney]

...but sometimes I'm not so sure.

"That particular rule is in regards to another rule that no personal opinions can be approved as news. Just because the source is a post does not mean it's an opinion - Halo running at 640p is not an opinion but a fact."

- If it is a fact, I would like to see an official source documenting it as fact. When this is found, it can be posted as news with the link pointing directly to the OFFICIAL SOURCE, as per the guidelines.

"How many times have articles been posted that were from Neogaf - that had proof such as screenshot to elevate the perception of opinion to FACT."

- Doesn't make it right. Like I said, just because some idiots don't follow the rules doesn't mean they shouldn't be followed at all. In addition, the guidelines make it abundantly clear that forum posts by "important persons" are legitimate sources for posts on N4G. Random posts, however, are not. This is a random post from some random guy.

"To interpret it, you have to consider the context of such forum posts. If someone posts 'Halo sucks', that is not news. If someone posts 'Bungie close down' on a forum and proves it by providing an official statement with a link, then it gets approved by N4G because its factual news."

- No, that would not be the case. In such a case the contributor submitting the story should post a link to the supposed "official statement" and use that as the basis for the story. (Always use the original source for the story) - the forum post should be given as credit as a reference. The forum post is not news - the news is the news, and news comes from a credible source.

"Do you now understand the rules or shall I go on?"

- I think I understand them quite clearly. Can't say the same about you though, you appear to read what you want to read.

[Meus Renaissance]

You can contact the Admins and Moderators for clarification on this rule. That rule is specifically relating to random posts on forums, usually as they're rumours and speculation started by the person who breaks that rumour. The N4G staff decided to dismiss such things from the site because it is not gaming "news".

Although this story is based on a forum post, what differentiates it from the type of forum posts the Admins are against - the ones that hold no evidence - is that this indeed has a form of credible evidence.

What your saying, pardon me if I'm misunderstanding, is that regardless of what is said on a forum, factual or not, with evidence or not, it should not be approved as a story on N4G? I disagree.

The context of this particular story is unique however. A month ago on the Bioshock demo, in one of the data files, someone find text to imply there was a PS3 version of the game. If I remember correctly, I came across this story on a forum. And before I looked away I noticed the poster had evidence to support this, and although at the end it was found to be a mistake from the developers point of view, it is things of this nature that are still news worthy if there is credible evidence and this such an example IMO.

If you disagree, then so be it but I have explained my reasons for all.

[BenzMoney]

I'd more than gladly wipe the floor with you in a 2v2 match on Halo 3 to settle it once and for all.

Oh, and by the way, that "Media Hate on the PS3: Why?" article of yours - broken rules - what's with the altering of the story title? Do you deny that this isn't against N4G guidelines? What you essentially did was write a blog post and post it as news in that story (via your first comment). Are you not aware that there is a blog section of this site?

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the article itself, but damn - at least post it properly...

[Meus Renaissance]

I'd love to PWN you but I don't have my 360 with me currently. But whenever you get killed on Halo 3, remember papa Meus and you might be able to hear..the slight..echo..of my laughter..

;)

[BUKKAKALYPSE]

wow meus thats gotta be the biggest b!tch out ive ever seen! just play the kid or stfu

haha "i'd love to pwn you but.." haha

you win Benz

[Armyless]

Uh, no he doesn't

[Odion]

hey WHO CARES?

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

you and a million others.

640p.....OUCH.

[ukilnme]

It looks like the Halo haters care about it more than the Halo fans.

[Vip3r]

"hey WHO CARES?"

What a fanboyish thing to say. If it was a PS3 game that played at 640p we wouldn't hear the end of it but because it's halo it's somehow ok. I'd like to know why this is at the resolution.

[WafflesID]

I repeat...
WHO CARES?

Resident evil 4, super paper mario, zelda twilight princess, metroid prime 3, all awesome games....and the Wii doesn't even do 640p.

@11.5
THERE is the answer I was looking for. THE FANBOYS. That's who cares (and I've stated this in another post in this thread).

And also the people who are interested in the technical aspects of this. ie programmers. That's the original intent of the thread where this post came from. And yet it gets turned into fanboy ammo here.

[darx]

problem is HALO 3 is not a bad game.

[calderra]

Who here has actually seen screens from the game, and would have known if they hadn't been told? Resolution doesn't matter nearly as much as smart use of resources. A game at 420p could look infinitely better than a game that squandered all of the systems' power on 1080p and isn't doing anything else.

Also nevermind all the perfect 10s in the reviews, the millions of people online playing this game right now who are all having a blast- the game runs in 640p so that's all that matters.

[WafflesID]

Millions? Last night there were only 500,000+

Let's not overstate the facts to make a point now.

[Bleyd]

that maybe people WERE noticing? Everywhere I've been hearing that Halo 3 isn't all that great in the graphics department and that if you want to see something truly brilliant with graphics then look no further than Gears of War. Maybe this is just proof of what people have been subjectively noticing these past couple of days.

[EdoBMP]

I got on last night and the statistics read about .5 million on at that moment. It was a lot less the night before, I figure people still playing through the campaign. Consider all the people that pop in and out throughout the night, millions is not over estimating. Ah, just checked bungies online statistics, it says about 1.5 million players on in the last 24 hrs.

[TeaDouble_E]

Is there any T.V. in the market right now that has this feature ?

[risk]

it up converts it. like a ratio.

so lets see.. 640:720 = 1::1.125 scale.
the total resolution would be... 1280*0.875= 1120

1120x640 upscales to 1280x720 perfectly at 1.125% scaling. but this is at a cost, it causes the image to have jaggies. look @ the attached image. it is comparing 100% zoom to 112.5% zoom picture. you will see the difference it causes. but this is offset by 2x anti-aliasing. but in the real world 2x anti-aliasing is NEVER used because theres hardly any difference noticed(always 4x or 6x MSAA)

goddamnit it resized the comparison.

here uploaded to imageshack
(comparison) http://img404.imageshack.us...

(original) http://img404.imageshack.us...

(upscaled) http://img175.imageshack.us...

ofcourse this image was bigger then 720p to start with so i couldnt get the proper upscaling scaled. but this gives a good look at what upscaling does.

@below well my example is really bad, but its just an example look at master cheifs chest, the 3 things on his right side it has worst quality then you would see from the first picture. if you want to see a real comparison you would need to get an ingame image. sadly i just did this to the first image i saw...rendered or not.

[wallace1000]

Does the upscaled image not look better than the original or is it just me? Plus upscaling quality all depends on how good the tv, box, etc is at upscaling. That is why people buy upscaling dvd players because in general the player will do a better job than your HDTV.

On a side note, you know some of the fanboys complaining/gloating about the 640p don't even have HDTVs, so what does it matter? If the game looks good then who cares about the minute. It gets upscaled and looks excellent. As far as i know it looks better than other games that are native 720p. Enough said.

[Vojkan]

Buh buh teh teh red rings etc.

Who cares!? as long as Halo users/gamers like it it is fine by me.

[Lumbo]

Doesn't make it a less good game imho. People should quit the whining and give kudos to Bungie instead for making a good game, again. Sure, my focus is on other games then shooters, but to each one his own.

Still all the nitpicking "news" together with the praising blabber take up way to much space on n4g imho and i will like it better when the marketing train and fanboy biatchfights are gone in e few weeks.

[Salvadore]

How does this prevent the game from being good?

[WilliamRLBaker]

196M dollars in 24 hours:)

[Violater]

got your check in the mail yet?
didn't think so

[kn]

isn't going to change the following:... it has sold a bunch of copies and will sell a bunch more. It has moved some hardware. Halo 3 is now yesterday's news. Onward to bigger and better things... Mass Effect, PGR4, Lost Odyssey... and so on. You bashers need to find something else to do as this is getting old...

BTW, I've only got standard def so I couldn't care less...

[Wii60_FTW]

guess this explains the jaggiez! how ga.y

no matter. still the best game ever made.

[m9105826]

One of the most ignorant statements ever made. Halo is in NO WAY, as in NO F'ING WAY IN ALL OF HOLY HELL, the best game ever made. Is it good? Yes. Is it great? Perhaps, depending on who you are. Is is the BEST GAME EVER MADE? No. God no. That's like saying Hendrix was the greatest guitarist of all time. He was good, but if he hadn't died in such a rockstar-esqe manner, I doubt many people would remember him today. Same with Halo. Halo - hype machine = Good FPS or Great Console FPS.

[willymcd]

If it was to be a revolutionary game then it couldn't be halo, it would have to be something totally new!

[celticlonewolf]

I dont think I have ever seen so much hate about a game before lol. What does it matter what the resolution of the game is and if its upscaled or what ever. You look at all the reviews on this web site about halo 3 from the worst 8out of 10(which still isn't bad) to the 10 out of 10 that its been getting and you will find only one thing that links all the reviews. Is it the less than amazing graphics, is it the great sound no its non of these the one thing that nearly all the reviews agree on is that halo 3 is a fun game and if you like these types of games or any of the halos before you will love this game. I think alot of people get to caught up in all the specs that come with the game and forget the main thing and that is is the game fun. It doesn't matter at what resolution a game runs all that matters is if you have fun with it and is it worth the money and nearly every single review about this game says it is. Will I be picking up this game, no I wont I have never liked the halo games but I know plenty of people who do and they all say the same they are having a blast with it and thats what gameing is all about fun. Good gaming

[Violater]

HYPE=HATE
Halo 3 Hype > Hate

[ben806]

why the hell is anybody taking a random forum post as fact?
this has not come as a comment from the industry, all i can see is some guy who owns a hd tv and thinks he knows what hes talking about.

[m9105826]

Because it's from Beyond3D and they know their sh*t for the most part.

[Bimmer3]

So if Madden, a fun game, runs at 30 FPS on the PS3 it's somehow bad? But if Halo runs at 640P it's no big deal cause it's a fun game? I don't really care about resolution or framerate as long as I'm having fun, but let's cut the double standard.

[ukilnme]

Come on now. You should already know that double standards run rampant on N4G. This will surely not be the last case of it.

[367 To Your Ass]

all of the games from mid 2k6 to now have ben running at 1080p.

[WafflesID]

That just proves the internal scaler is working. Taking a 640p image and upscaling it to 1080p.

Still...

IT DOESN'T MATTER. The only ones who care are the PS3 fanboys who need ammunition to defend their console.

People who own all the consoles could care less.

The ONLY time this kind of crap should matter is for cross platform games.

If a game runs at 1080p on the PS3 and only 720p on the 360 and yet maintains the same exact frame rate (or vice versa), then I want to know so I know which copy to buy. Thats the ONLY time this kind of stuff should matter.

[Zebak]

640p on Xbox vs 0p on PS3.... - I take the Xbox :-)

More seriously, the graphics and the size of the landscape is unbelievable... Just try it instead of bashing

[m9105826]

That doesn't even make sense... and you have to remember graphics aren't everything. And if you really want to talk about draw distances, look at Heavenly Sword, Crysis, and Lair.

[Solotov]

Oh darn...a loss of a grand total of 80p. Noone cares. It still has some great graphics. Could they be better? Yea. But it doesn't change the fact that Halo 3 just took a dump on the PS3 for a long while.

[SnakeCL]

For reference, the resolution that Halo 3 renders at is actually less than the typical 1024 x 768 PC resolution back in the 90's.

[risk]

wtf is 80p?? ive never heard of this bull you talk about.

720p = 1280x720 = 921600 pixels
640p = 1120x640 = 716800 pixels
----------------------------- ---
-204800 pixels.

thats not 80p, w/e that is.

edit: lol a disagree for simple math. GENIUS!

[MRMagoo123]

that would explain why halo looks so crap the only thing thats different from 2 is that its got shiny bits wow

[Odion]

or how about this

I'll take Halo 3 with this 640 w/e over Heavenly sword and its 1080i, and 10 gigs worth of sounds. Cause atleast when i play Halo 3, I get to enjoy the game for more then 5 hours

[mighty_douche]

"oh sh1t theres a bad fact about halo... ummm.....ummm.... yea ummm heavenly sword....ummmm....warhawk....& quot;

[heavyarms]

The game plays great. Yeah its not Jaw dropping with the graphics but its FREAKING KICKING YOUR ARSE AND YO MOMMAS. Just JUMP IN and see for yourself. This is one of the best games ever period.

[mighty_douche]

oh how the mighty have fallen... this game is good but if compaired to the hype its laughable, xbox's number one title in 640p.

and xbox fanboys bashed sony for once saying 60fps @ 1080p, lol, ok so sony didnt manage it straight away but its coming with games like gran turismo, xbox seems to be going backwards here.

[celticlonewolf]

Your argument is flawed because if there was 2 versions of halo and one ran at 640p and the other and 1080p would you say that the version running at 1080p would be better? I agree though that there is alot of double standards on this site but the argument you gave just doesnt hold water for this topic. Good gaming

[367 To Your Ass]

........
http://media.xbox360.ign.co...

[Tsalagi]

Does your 360 have an Apple logo on the side of it?

[mighty_douche]

dude, thats a 22inch monitor, i have the same one!

maximum res 1640x1080 i think. 1080p = 1920x1080 so im not sure how you managed that!

[WafflesID]

And the actual game looks nothing like that screen shot (as far as the resolution is concerned).

I have my elite set to 1080p (on a 1080p LCD duh) and the game itself doesn't even come close to that screen shot.

[risk]

Samsung 226BW
* Retail
* 19", 20" and 22" widescreens
* 16:10 aspect ratio
* High native resolutions
* Piano black bezel
* MagicSpeed™ ultra-fast 2 ms (G to G) response time
* 160˚/160˚ horizontal/vertical viewing angles
* Exclusive Magic technologies
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/j...

16:10 = 1680x1080 xbox is upscaling the resolution on your monitor. its not native 720p or 1080p.

[Funky Town_TX]

I'm gonna take my H3 back today and get Heavenly Sword and Lair instead.

[borgome]

You don't even own both consoles.

[SofaKingReetodded]

so it seems us "360 haters" were right all along, it's nothing more than a 480p machine.

This explains the size of the 10mb EDRam chip which is only big enough to hold a 480p frame.

[WafflesID]

There are some PS3 fans here who can still maintain an intelligent conversation without turning all fanboy on us. And there are the people who own all three systems who could care less what name is on the front of the console and only care about the games.

Then there are idiots like you.

[borgome]

If your stank a$$ had played GOW you wouldn't make a stupid comment like that.

[Ahmadinejad]

I hope they shine a light on this, im runnin at 1080p and things look smooth and nice

[m9105826]

Upscaled 1080p is different from native 1080p. It's like the difference between an upscaled DVD and a Blu-Ray or HDDVD. There WILL be quality lost. I don't know why it can't run at at least 720p... it doesn't look to be THAT graphically intensive. Sure it looks nice, but it really looks like Halo 2 with a pumped up poly count, some nice specular maps, and some dynamic parallax/diffusion mapping.

[Meus Renaissance]

Ok?

[shysun]

lol....Man you 360 guys look bad now! grabs popcorn!

[borgome]

The reason your eating popcorn and pulling your pud is because you don't have any good games to play on PS3.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

You guys suprise me (not realy suprised) I'm sorry your PS3 is failing I realy am but who is to blame for that?

Some of you guys just get more f**king stupid and desperate each and every new day, Good luck with the Waitstation 3. No need to hate life because you bought a console without games there is still time to buy the 360 and actualy play somthing this year.

As for the BS I just read, wow! just wow!

These past few days has realy shown the true colors of some of the Droids here at N4G and just how desperate and jealous you realy are. It's already bad enough that you have a rep for crying, whining, snitching, lieing, spinning and signing petitions, now you have the Halo days of b!tching and crying on your record.

[NaViTo]

Well, we have a TRUE next-gen console, not a microsoft joke xD

[squallsoft]

your pretty funny. who's whining, me or you?

[beardtm]

I have to admit, there is a fair amount of aliasing in the game, but it defo looks higher res than PGR3.

[2paclives]

Sorry to say, but all of the tricks MS uses will soon come to light, and they won't be able to compete with the almighty next-gen machine known as the ps3. You remember what happened to the dreamcast? Once halo fades, the red-ring box will too. What do you say now, the mart?

[celticlonewolf]

How has this turned into hating the 360 for some of you guys again. I mean I take it that you guys visit this site atleast now and again so how can you make comments about the 360 with games that look as good as mass effect cod4 pgr4 bioshock. I mean do you guys just like to try and start flaming or do you all of a sudden forget certain things. Recantly I have been reading less and less of the comments at this site cause I cant go to a ps3 section without someone making some sort of flaming comment about the ps3 and I cant go to a 360 post without the same.

[jackdoe]

Interesting news, but in the end, not something that many consumers really notice.

[Vip3r]

/popcorn

[367 To Your Ass]

and the console it's self says 1080p , am i going to believe a person who has never touched a 360 be cause of his fanboyish feelings towards the console.

[Snooze]

Hahaha! Oh wow -_-

The box says 1080p because the game is going to be 'up converted' to 1080p.

And these guys who have never 'touched a 360' apparently have, and have tested the resolution much more then anyone else has, including yourself sir, who will do whatever MS tell his to do.

MS: This is a S*** sandwich. You will eat it, and you will like it! (Halo 3)

I love how I got a disagree... facts are facts xbots... I hope your consoles get back from repair soon so we don't have to deal with you on N4G again until they break down for the [1-infinity] time.

^_~

[Strange]

I've been watching the forum post from before it got any N4G coverage

Finding out the native rendering resolution is simple, all you need is a screen large enough to count pixels to do it... (B3D forums has the exact way to do it)

Why I would believe them? maybe because many of the posters there are actually GAME DEVELOPERS

[techie]

Elite do you know who you are talking about? Seriously do you? He is a well respected poster at B3d and he has provided very accurate evidence. A number of the posters, who are massive Halo 3 fans have made their own screenshots and have also themselves concluded that it's 640p. That's it - that's the conclusion, noones a fanboy for saying so Elite.

What I do find ridiculous is that there is some major hypocricy going on here. I'm big enough to say that Halo3 is still a great game even though it's 640p - I'm fine with that, I have no bad feelings. On the console side it isn't really acceptable, but it's simply to get the tiling done through that 10mb edram (that "free AA" thing, hat apparently can't give any AA to Halo3).

BUT, anybody, an I mean ANYBODY who said that Sony were liers and the PS3 was a piece of SH*T for it's launch games not being 1080p, and NOW say that it doesn't matter that Halo 3 is native 640p - should seriously back away.

[SnakeCL]

First off, the guy had to actually own a 360 to take the pictures on his HDTV doing pixel matching.

Secondly, the PS2 could output at 1080i, GT4 actually offered that as an option. That doesn't mean that all games are rendered at that high of a resolution.

The problem here, is that Halo 3 is being rendered at a resolution lower-than 1024x768 with quite possibly no anti-aliasing, and at only 30fps. While it is not indicative of the quality of the game (Halo 3 is a fun game) it is indicative of the performance limitations of the 360 hardware as a whole.

[Violater]

Native, not Upscaled
Baaaahhahahah the elite gamer playing on a core sys.

[risk]

his monitor is a samsung 226BW, which can only display 1680x1080. it cant display 1080p AT ALL. so no, that is an upscaled image.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/j...

LOL @ the apple on the inside of the xbox(towards teh monitor)

trying to be ibox?

[Meus Renaissance]

I don't know how I managed to get 9 Bubbles but you deserve 90 Bubbles for your consistent form on N4G, sir

*Thumb up*

[techie]

Elite...I wonder if you recall our discssions - which turned very heated, for you to then go and pone up a microsoft helpine. You were claiming that over 14 360 games...including Sonic, and Bulletwitch were native 1080p...your proof being that it said "1080p" on the box, and that a guy on a Microsoft helpline told you that "the boxes were right".

I instead told you that it was the upscaling chip woring in the 360 to upscale the games to 1080p for your HD setup. "No" you shouted at me. I hope you understand what I was talking about all those months ago. There's no denying that the upscaling chip is very good in the 360 - but still, not native 1080p.

Furthermore, you professed tha 360 games would be jaggieless because of the 10mb edram - that magical stuff that made the GPU in the 360 do AA with HDR, and the PS3 could never do such a thing. Well Halo 3 has no AA, and Resistance, F1 and Heavenly Sword all have 4xAA - with the latter having HDR as well.

I only do this because you were so rude to me in the past.

[Liarlair]

I hate this,I hate when whole world lay with MS,and this is not the first time,I remanber how I been told PGR3 look prefect but infact it look nothing close when you play.
And I dont think Halo3 going to be the last time,this,PGR,Red Ring,1000K 360 sold in last year.All of these just keep talking me that MS do have the power to let the whole world down on his knees.

[367 To Your Ass]

i will shoe you how

when selecting 10800p

select 1080p : it's going to tell you that your settings have changed,select no try again.

and the 360 or your monitor should resize 1080p to your monitor.

I have two monitors it worked on both. and it should work on yours.

[techie]

Let me explain something ver simple to you Elite. I don't want to make you look stupid.

The 360 is not OUTPUTTING Halo 3 as 640p - it is UPSCALING it to 720p/1080p. It has a chip in it to do this. This is similar to how a DVD is upscaled to HD by the HDDVD add on, or the PS3. Now you still set your output for your 360 to 1080p, but this doesn't mean the source is in fact rendered at 1080p. There are ways to work out what it's rendered at, and in this case Halo3 is being rendered at 640p. It's as simple as that. Now this 640p also explains some of the strange aliasing in the game.

Very strange for a 3rd generation game.

[7ero H3LL]

but it's not the 360 that is scaling to your monitor it is the other way around.

so it depends on your setup,HDMI gets you 1080p and so dose VGA.

when using any monitors try installing drivers. on your pc.

that mite work. your pc and 360 can work together through xna.

[IBLEEDBLU]

this is suppose to be the biggest game for 360 and this is what u bots get lol

640p - halo 2.5 - and a multiplayer getting their a$$ owned by warhawk which by the way ROCKS!!!

32/32 CTF - what crazy fun that is.....

PS3 cant do 1080p no problem - i didnt expect it in the first year games - but next year games we should start 2 see 1080p games

[power of Green]

We'll know soon enough most of the Sony fanboy rubbish spite 360 posts are debunded with in hours.

[doublertist]

just like how everything you say is debunked within minutes

[gamehendge]

it always gets back to the same thing... 360 = last gen

[harpua]

i think the main thing we learned in this thread is the complete and utter hypocrisy that is the 360 fanboys. All of a sudden this is no big deal, except if this were the PS3, then it would be a big deal.

[hac-hunter]

I don't know if it's just me or not, but all of a sudden, the xbox360 defenders are either all quiet, or not present. maybe their all playing halo 3 in all of it's 640p glory.

[harpua]

they will be back soon, they just need another 20 minutes to finish the single player campaign.

[risk]

maybe they are filling in the forums for an RRoD repair?

[DARK WITNESS]

that is quite true...

at the end of the day if i had not read this i would not have noticed.

last night i had 47 people online only 3 of them were not playing halo 3. one of them was because he hadn't got it yet and one said he didn't like the game.

no matter, i have warhawk, i have not touched it in the last week. it my be displayed at 720 ( or in my case its the full 1080p via hdmi ) but that is not what is going to make me play it. its fun, but not as much fun as halo....its as simple as that.

i think most halo fans have been saying for a long time now that its not about the graphics its the gameplay. This may explain part of the reason there are issues with the graphics. i personally still think the game is beautiful. gears may look better, but i am not going to be touching gears with its random online gameplay ( he who is host wins- end off ) at least halo's online play is more consistent.

a lot of ps3 fans seem to be going on about how the ps3 would get slated if this was one of their games and why is it ok in the case of halo. well the simple answer is hype....

in the same way that halo was over hyped, the ps3 has been hyped. sony never said it would take a year or two before we see games running at 1080p they said all there games would, if i remember correctly they were the ones who started saying all this stuff about 1080p being true HD and MS were saying its not really needed etc.

so its not that much of a supprise on ms part, but if it was a sony's game then it would get blasted.

personally i would like to know why it only runs at 620p and if it is a sign of the xbox's limitations then that is worrying and the ps3 may start to out pace the 360 in the graphics department very soon. but that does not mean the games are going to be better and more fun...

we will have to see.

if you were not a halo fan and you were a hater then you would have found something else to pick on anyway, so no biggie there. if you were a halo fan then you would love the game anyway and would not care, would still have bought it and still be playing it.

as a halo fan myself there are other things i would pick on like the story. i think the story not bad the ending was ok, but they still didn't answer a lot of those questions like i thought they would.

personally i still think halo CE is the best single player out of the 3. i know for a very long time to come i will still be playing this game while so many others are done, dusted and sold for pre-owned or sit on my shelf because i like the limited edition cases.

[Itachi]

What did bungie do with that 20mil

If you want a true NEXT GEN shooter then get COD4 and after that Unreal3 and then after that KILLZONE2 with a bit MGS4 and a little of HAZE to mellow out

all run at 720p or 1080p

[mesh1]

ok time to break it to the ps3 owners i have cod 4 beta yes it has no anti aliasing and i noticed game like bio shock have nice rezzz but when i 1st put on the c0d4 beta as all 360 owners that are into game visuals wud notice the game has the lowest rezz ive seen on my monitor the game ids a good game but i hated halo 2 but i can say halo 3 is better than the cod 4 beta in every way animation texturs and lighting cod4 has no textures and looks very pix elated and a bit blurry playing on my samsung hdtv so the only ppl that wud notice these thins are ppl that have used pc as a gaming platform like me

[2paclives]

Yeah, where is the red-ring-of-death crew? either waiting for the MS coffin to show up on their doorstep or waiting for the next online match because they keep getting thrown off because of lack of dedicated servers. It's alright you brain-washed red-ringers, you can come over to a real console.

[MikeGdaGod]

if this was a ps3 game it would be crusified, just like any game isn't 1080p for ps3.

but i guess to the xbums that settle for anything, 640p is great

[jcgamer]

WOW...when is NPD announced for US in the month of September? October? November? December? *chirps* *crickets* The VERY GAME you complain about and belittle, the one that MILLIONS including myself, have already purchased (has it been out for 3 days?), will outsell ANY 1080p, 50,000 enemies, 2,000,000 GB of storage (lol), big as San Andreas environments, 7.1 earth shattering sound, enemies all with their own AI (lol), cell-busting, @home folding, knows when you're sleeping, PSN downloading, knows when you're awake, multiplayer-only, single-player only, no screen tearing (?), sharp as a cactus graphics, cut-scene storage gulping, blu-ray reading, "you're watching a PIXAR movie", online surfing, supercomputer doo-hikkie game this year...FACT...Does Nintendogs run at 1080p? Brain Training? Cooking Mama? Mario Galaxy? Heck no...and I don't hear ANYONE talking down on the graphics of Folklore (lol), Eye Of Judgement (and you say Halo is for geeks...hehe), Warhawk (lol)...Singstar (lol), NBA 08 (7.5 in IGN) and the other 1st PARTY games from Sony this site seems to IGNORE and FORGET...Halo 3 is #1 on this very site with over 100,000 degrees...no publicity is bad publicity...the WORLD is playing this game...and as long as Wii games look and sell like they are, then this game is BEAU-TI-FUL...so go play LAIR, a perfect combination of graphics, sound, and gameplay...or maybe I should say go BUY Lair...I double dare you...brilliant...

[2paclives]

How dare you challenge the almighty power of the ps3....halo 3 has already been exposed. All the corners that ms cuts will come back to kill this POS console. Broken hardware, games that do not play in full hd, a bunch of lies.

[jcgamer]

you diss me personally when I see all of the HATE and WRONG approvals this site has been dishing out since Halo3 was released? I have done more for BOTH sides (PS360)...people even were posting the ENDING of the game...name one PS3 game ending you saw here on this site...that's far below the belt...I see F%#$ Halo 3 on N4G...then I see long lines at the store...I haven't ranted in a LONG time..and it felt good bro...so move along, nothing to see here...and did I diss the PS3? I guess I did...please...check my history bro...you need to address someone else...how dare little me challenge a system I PLAY..."the almighty power of the ps3"...move on...

[2paclives]

I saw a youtube video of jcgamer...it's called "LEAVE HALO ALONE........YOU BASTARDS...."

[BUKKAKALYPSE]

pretty sure this isnt fact so what are we even arguing about??

ps3 vs x360 is like pepsi vs coke .its prefrence.most people will drink both but if they're in the 711 they'll grab the coke if thats what they prefer...sorry for the rambling..point is guys we're (some of us) gamers so if its a ps3,xbox or a wii title lets just get our game on and stop taking this stuff so personal for eff sake! did you give birth to the consol?? people defend these things like their children or something. get gaming and stop the hate bro's

[TheMART]

First off: who says this guy is spreading right info?

Second even if it would be 640p but it looks good, who cares? The game is rated well. Another AAA on the 360. If it's 720p or 640p I wouldn't even care. As long as its good and my eyes don't hurt (which did in Leipzig on the GC when I played Haze on a PS3), I am pretty fine.

[harpua]

everyone i have talked to that has played the game says the same thing: "its not bad but its far from great"

AA at best.

[techie]

Aren't you embarrassed Mart? Not because Halo 3 is 640p...but because you are a massive hypocrit?

Plus this isn't about Halo3 so much, this about the 360 itself.

This goes back a very long way for you Mart...back to you stamping your feet at the PS3 not having that many 1080p games on release - and how you said it was a disgrace, and that Sony were liers. Now we have a massive cover up of four games. PGR4, Halo3, TRLegend, and PDZ. But I hear you say "Mcrosoft never promised their games would be 720p"...oh perhaps these words didn't come from microsoft no.

But what did? I remember these words "jaggieless console" - "free AA"...yet we have two huge games. Halo 3, of which has zero AA and has to reduce to 640p to get through the 10mb edram...and Forza2 whose AA performance isn't too impressive.

I'd love to bring up the comparisons of PS3 games that have 4xAA...but i won't bother. Don't get me wrong...I don't so much care about all this, it just bothers me that someone can be so hypocritical.

[genericname]

bwaaaaaaaah, some of these quotes are hysterical.

"The graphics and sound, frankly, don't display any significant advances over Halo 2" (8) and, all in all, "Halo 3 is an underachiever in graphical terms."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007...

[hac-hunter]

but you would care to make a case against a ps3 game if it were playing natively at 640p would you not? Funny, when it comes to an 360 game, you don't care, but if it were a ps3 game, you'd be all over it like a fly on sh!t.

The fact that bungie cut corners on a game like this (halo being the cornerstone/foundation of the xbox franchise) shows just how much they really want to do the best they can for their loyal fans huh?

I wonder what made them decide NOT to make the game run at a full 1080 resolution?

There have also been rumblings of framerate issues with Halo 3. What gives?

I mean, look at Ratchet and Clank (not the biggest IP for sony), yet Insomniac are claiming full 1080p and 60fps. Ninja Gaiden Sigma (a remake of an xbox game) - full 1080p, 60fps. just two examples of games/smaller IPs whose developers actually wanted to put out a quality product.

Bunjie dropped the ball on this one...
IMHO, Halo 3 really is Halo 2.5

[Firestorm]

Except not HD!

[chrisin3]

As I read some of these comments, I notice they are about as ricidulous as a football bat. And some, about as wrong as two naked fat chicks mud-wrestling.

[mikeslemonade]

If bungie, the top 1st party devloper of MS, can't get there game to 720p then the 360 is basically done growing. The hardware is fully unlocked and there's going to be no games that look better than Gears or Bioshock or Halo 3.

[beardtm]

eh Mass Effect looks better than those games.

And i dont see 360 reaching its maximum graphical level this early, there will be better looking games to come.

RE5 for instance?

[jazzmanb]

it makes sense that a game this open for all of us to view with a camera panning around every nook and cranny is only in 640 p...who freakin cares? its the first console game that lets us do this and the game looks marvelous,and theres no tricks,as the whole world is rendered and does not have pop in etc..when you have the tools to make movies in a game,there has to be some sacrifices,and regardless of res,it looks unbelievable..how you guys well hate on such a wonderful experience is beyond me..

[DJ]

We already saw Guerilla Games do it in front of journalists, and even changed the progress of time so they could check animations and collisions at every single frame.

The resolution is not bound by debug features; it's bound by the hardware.

[FirstknighT]

Their precious ps3 is failing fast and they're just frustrated with thier lack of good games. You can clearly see that the sony boys are losing control. Feel bad for them. Oh well...

[dhammalama]

The small shrubs and grass pop-in as you get close to them. I started noticing it and it was bothering me until I stopped noticing it.

Fun game though, It's just sh!tty because I've been playing coop with my friend and he has the chinese version.

The subtitles only appear for about half of the story and dialogue.

We finished it on herioic last night and we were disappointed. Does it seem short to you? Maybe it's just because we had no idea what exactly was going on so the story seemed to end abruptly.

One other thing: Does it have multiple endings? If so, is the ending for "solo heroic" the same as "Coop heroic"? or is it the same as "solo normal"?

Anyway, I get my english copy soon!

ps. shut up all you fanboy twats filling this page with countless posts filled pointless, baseless, misguided crap. All the consoles target certain demographics that the others don't. Hopefully NO console will go the way of the Dreamcast this generation and we can all just be friends and congratulate one another for being a part of this technological/social/economic revoluion of consoles and video games.

[jazzmanb]

also,1080 p looks insane,regardless if its upscaled,its still 1080p....

[Armyless]

You probably think SD DVD's are HD, as long as they're upscaled.

[AllroundGamer]

yeah but the game will get 10 for graphics, sure... if it would be a PS3 game the reviewer would give it 6/10 because the game runs in 640p native :D therefor i won't buy any MS products, torrents rulez :D thx Microsoft

[Yados]

ok lets face it halo 3 is a good game, perhaps over hyped beyond belief but still a very good game. any person with a slight amount of logic wouldn't argue with that

[Jdash24]

640p? ive never hear anything that was 640p.............i mean 420p 720p 1080p..........but never 640

also (not flamming) i noticed two of the cutscenes were just comic book art with a vehicle flying through it

[Violater]

Are such hypocrites, if this were a PS3 game it would be the end of world.
But all of a sudden graphics do not matter.
No one said Halo3 wasn't a good game, we were simply debating the facts.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

This post is like a treasure "troll" of good sh!t to use against droids

[MrSwede]

Just make sure you write down all 360 fans comments saying 720p/1080p is not necessary.

[7ero H3LL]

WE PC PEOPLE EXPERIENCE THIS MANY TIMES.

SCALING IS NOT WHAT YOU GUYS KEEP ON DEPICTING OR EVEN THINK IT IS.

It's has ben many times call a PC (360) thats because it is. the 360 uses scaling technology and dose it like a pc.

Has anyone played bioshock on there pc, your given a selection of resolutions that your pc and monitor can handel.you notice the higher you go the better things look on screen,that is because of your graphics chip's pixel fill rate, the higher you go the more pixels your graphics chip draws on the screen and harder your graphic chip has to work.

ALSO try games like Prince of persia 1,2,and,3 and tomb raider 3 on your pc even for how old those games are they can still look beautiful.

scaling for the 360 is not like taking a balloon and stretching it.

IT GOES PIXEL FOR PIXEL THE EXTRA RAM THAT THE 360 HAS HANDLES THINGS LIKE FRAME RATE WHEN SWITCHING TO 1080p. THATS WHY SOME TIMES YOUR PC SLOWS DOWN WHILE PLAYING BIOSHOCK UNLIKE THE 360.

GAMES DO NOT DEICIDE THE FINAL OUT COME OF THE RESOLUTION IT'S UP TO YOUR GRAPHICS CHIP.

[367 To Your Ass]

I was wondering why halo3 still looks like a 1080p game. it's because the final composite version ends up at 1080p.

IT's definitely not like taking a 640x480 JPEG file stretching on a 1920x1080 monitor the result would be more grainy and jagged.

http://media.xbox360.ign.co...

[SnakeCL]

When you select the resolution on a PC game, that's the resolution the game renders at. If I play BioShock at 1400x1050 resolution, it takes a lot more system resources than it takes to run it at 1024x768. That's because the game is rendering at the output resolution.

The 360 doesn't work that way. They render the game at a certain resolution and then a separate scaling chip (which you won't find in a PC) uses an algorithm to upscale the image (to 720p, 1080i or 1080p). The 360 isn't using any more processing power to output at 1080p than it is to output at 720p because its not actually rendering at those resolutions.

Secondly, Elite360, the screenshots you've been posting are what are called "Bullshots". They're manipulated in such a way as to look better than gameplay. Most of the press shots show NO antialiasing whatsoever, and cg-like edges. This is because the images were created on dev hardware at very very very high resolutions that wouldn't be playable, then downscaled to maintain their fine edges. The photomode in Halo 3 itself isn't a good indicator of resolution either, since the game stops, and manipulates the screencap to do things that it doesn't normally do in-game. Look at the photomode for Gran Turismo 4, for instance. It featured very detailed screenshots and extreme antialiasing, even though actual gameplay was much uglier.

The image below is more indicative of a framebuffer grab from Halo 3 ie, what the game looks like in reality. Notice all the aliasing.

http://images.gamersyde.com...

[Mu5afir]

Umm, your confusing rendering with upscaling.

[THAMMER1]

1st off if it is true then what. Do you guys want every one to just return the game?

What what do you SONY fans want other than your PS3 to be in first place. What are you people trying to prove?

Halo Still makes PS3 games look like last gen. You people have been looking so long for a reason to stop the 360 you are forgetting to buy PS3 games.

[hac-hunter]

It's not like PS3 fanboys are here 100% solely to bash the 360 because we want the PS3 to be #1, PS3 fanboys are also here to point and laugh at Xbox owners/halo lovers because their beloved system/game isn't as "godly" as they would make it seem. And I'm sure that if the roles were reversed, Xbox Fanboys would be doing the same thing to PS3 owners.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Usualy I have to be a d!ck to try and get a point across.

"What what do you SONY fans want other than your PS3 to be in first place. What are you people trying to prove?"

"You people have been looking so long for a reason to stop the 360 you are forgetting to buy PS3 games."

If 360 fans acted like the PS3 fans did on this site with the whining, crying and such obvious discontent, then I don't think I could bare showing up. I mean argueing untill hell freezes over and being a fanboy is one thing but this is embarrassing with a big oh jealous cheery on top.

[Mu5afir]

I will take your words as truth, I suggest you log out now and never come back on N4G. Look at the reports made on this article, and leave the website, remember you promised.

[hac-hunter]

To rub salt in the wounds....

http://kotaku.com/gaming/de...

Xbox 360s Dieing/RRoD because of Halo 3....guess the machine really cant take extended periods of play.

[Meus Renaissance]

The gameplay is the same great gameplay we've known in Halo, yet despite the deficiencies pretty much everywhere else, I have to strongly question how/why this game is being given 10/10 by media outlets, who themselves admit these flaws.

Is this game a perfect 10?

[MrSwede]

I´ll get killed for this but anyways, could the answer to your question have anything to do with a certain gift?

[ApocalypseShadow]

"640 is the sweet spot for next gen games."

a third generation game runs lower than the SWEET spot.how can that be?

either 360 is being pushed to it's limits with halo3 or

microsoft spent 50 million advertising halo3 and 10 million making the game.that was the budget.halo fans were going to buy it anyway even if it was 480p.

just wow.what next? 1D graphics at 10fps with HDR for 4th gen games on 360?

mag lev...................

[MRMagoo123]

This is all going to hit the fan there are so many problems with halo 3 its unbelievable 4 friends of mine that own 360s have had there consoles die since they got the game no one is impressed with the graphics except blind fans it kinda reminds me of parents that have ugly kids but honestly think there model quality.Why cant you admit all the hype was wrong the game isnt that great and you would prefer to be playing a snes and like someone said if this was a ps3 game it would be all over the place being bagged by anyone probably on every review site there is thats been bought by M$.The games a dud get over it maybe theyll make a decent game next console they bring out

[wallace1000]

I love that the person who wrote this article had to zoom in on the image to discover this. How many people play games zoomed in all the time? Anyone............Bueller..... ........Bueller.........?

[MrSwede]

And another one. I´ll write this down.
Wallace1000...doesn´t... mind...if...a...next...gen...ga me...is...upscaled...from...a.. .lower...resolution...than...72 0p

You do know that you will have a hard time criticizing articles comparing upscaled PS2 games to 360 games in the future do you? Nor can you criticize the PS3 games when it comes to resolution cause I will hold this comment I´m replying to against you.

Btw, what does it say on the box of the game? Does it say 720p?

[dhammalama]

720p 1080i 1080p

[wallace1000]

I don't criticize PS3 games, i never have and don't plan on it. Why would i criticize games that i have never played?????

@MRSwede
Plus i am guessing you have never seen the movie "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" because if you had seen it you would have understood why i used the dot's to emulate pauses. What you did just makes no sense.

[MrSwede]

Wallace, my dots where there to make it sound like I was writing it down, you know cause it takes a while to write them down. I wasn´t trying to pick on you like that.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Awe guys...it's ok 640P and yet it still is rated higher than ANY PS3 game. Hell it will probably outsell the entire current PS3 fanbase by the end of this month alone. Get over it, your campaign won't stop anyone from hating or not playing Halo.

[THC CELL]

lol

look at the reports man if this was ps3 we would be doomed like x box is soon too be

[darthv72]

If something is naitive to a certain resolution and it is upscaled there would be noticable imperfections in the image. Like taking a 3x5 picture and blowing it up to an 8.5x11. You can do it but it looks softer than if the picture was originally shot in 8.5x11. Now take a picture that was 10x13 and shrink it down to 8.5x11 or even 3x5 and you still keep that same sharpness of the original. It seems easier to take something large and shrink it with little to no loss but blowing something up requires loss because you really have nothing to fill in the space you are trying to gain.

So what happens when you make a game at a higher resolution and do the final rendering at a lower res? Dreamcast used this technique. The games were made in higher res than what was standard at the time. Then downscaled to the appropriate resolution to giv it that crisp sharp look. When you have something that can run at a range of resolutions, dev try to shoot for the average but wont go below a baseline. It may be that 640p is the baseline and users of 480i/p tv's wont notice a hit in resolution.

So when a movie says it can do 1080p does that mean it was originally shot in that res only to be downscaled to a lower res based on the player/tv? You have to look at the original transfer to be sure.

[SnakeCL]

You've got it figured out. That's actually how a lot of game companies make their screenshots look amazing when the real-gameplay is less graphically stellar. They might take a huge screenshot, say twice the size of 1080p, then downscale it to 720p and send it to a gamesite. The image looks much clearer and crisper with what seems like incredible anti-aliasing.

[DaddyDC650]

I always wondered why there were so many jaggies in Halo 3. Especially in MP. Don't get me wrong. It's a great looking game but the jaggies blow big time.

As for all of the Lemmings pretending that this news doesn't bother them, please! I myself own both a PS3 and 360. I always figured that the PS3 had more processing power than the 360 but eh, it doesn't really matter because as long as the games are fun, that's what counts right?

[THE TERMINATOR]

"PS360ROCKS" People like you are bad for the gaming industry.

[PS360PCROCKS]

lol why because I have no loyalty towards a certain system? I'll talk sh!t about either system to piss off the fanboys, I just love the pissing off the Sony kids, they're the most rabid.

[darthv72]

It is probably sony fanboys making up all these lies to sites just like it is probably sony fanboys reporting false accusations about the game causing RROD. Sony will stop at nothing to try and smear halo's success. Just ask Bungie and if you dont believe the developer, who will you believe.

Who plays a game zoomed in to 100x normal view anyway? People picking apart the details are really grasping at straws.

Mr. Worf...flame shields at maximum.

[SnakeCL]

The person who discovered this was a tech enthusiast, and the forum linked is chock full of other hardware enthusiasts, devs and programmers from the videogame industry. They have no reason to lie, since they're more interested in the particulars of how or why things were done a certain way, than flaming one system or another.

[Shaka2K6]

The biggest game on the x360 is barely next gen.

but what xbois claim a 4.5 game supports 1080p and 7.1 sound.

Lair > halo 3.

[MikeGdaGod]

i mean if Halo3 is the best game ever and you bought the system mainly for this game...........

WHY AREN'T YOU PLAYING IT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? No one EVER answers this.

you guys talked all that sh!t when HS came out about how short the game is and thats why ps3 owners were on the site, but now your doing the exact same thing!

if the game is so great, who cares what people think. you guys are full of sh!t. GO PLAY YOUR GAME!!!!

now you are here making excuses for the "greatest game of all time" LOL

again you continue to take that M$ d!ck right up the @ss and love every inch of it.

can you say........................... LAME

[PS360PCROCKS]

Um, maybe to take a break from the TV and see what is going on news-wise for the 360? I have logged between 20-30 hours since the 25th (12 O'clock) all while working two eight hour days and living my daily life. You act as if we shouldn't move for a week to validate that Halo 3 is alot of fun. I still haven't beaten campaign, although I am pretty sure I am on the verge and I only stopped playing because my friend was yelling at me to be fair and let him and his friend try co-op campaign.

[FordGTGuy]

*Goes back to playing Halo 3*

[HateBoy]

So... explain this to me. i have a fullhd tv capable of running at 1080, so when i play halo 3 (which i still haven't bought, but WILL) won't i see it in 1080? SO, why does this matter, its still gonna be upscaled, right? please explain, and no I'm not beeing all fanboyish about it, I honestly wanna know cus I don't.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Yes. 1080i/p. Basically everyone's complaint is that Halo 3 is natively rendered in 640p than upscaled using the 360's internal scaler to other resolutions. Which I would have never noticed without a article like this, I have played this in 720P, 1080i and at my friends house in 1080P and all resolutions look great.

[wallace1000]

You will see 720p, 1080i, or 1080p, which ever one you want and it will look great. The scaler in the 360 obviously does a great job. This whole post is basically a waste of time because most of the "discussion" is headed by those who are insecure about their PS3 and its solid game line up.

[Maddens Raiders]

is the question; central to the crux of this situation. Halo 3 is a good agame, but the layers and layers of overhyped reviews is as dubious as Bush declaring, "Mission Accomplished" in the face of a rising insurgency.

Top Lamer Gamer won't be able to lie his way out of this one. Microsoft and it's mafioso-like influence on game review sites is a travesty and a sham.

[Armyless]

Bush didn't declare "Mission Accomplished", it was a banner. "The end to major hostilities" was the declaration, which was unfortunately premature.

Everything else you said was spot on. I feel like I woke up in a weird 'underverse' where hipsters are defending Microsoft.

Microsoft!

[Luck_y_Penny]

i dont get it. Why is the "new" 360 with HDMI if games like halo cant use it?

[gnothe1]

its a shame that you guys try so desperately hard to bring down halo!! the thing about it is, it has already sold over 1 million copies an counting, do you think people are gonna care about something like this!! so what if all PS3 games run in 720p or better they still dont look better than the 360 games, so what does that tell you!! last night there was almost 700,000 people online playing Halo 3(690,210) can any PS3 or PS2 game say to have did the same!! I got a question, what would you rather have, a game that runs at native 1080p but play like crap or a game that runs at 640p but is tons of fun!! you guys have answered that already, more people play warhawk than lair!!

[MK_Red]

Holy moly, why would MS and Bungie do that? Hope a technical site investigates the truth and facts behind this soon.

[Maddens Raiders]

Bullsh*t Cop, Power of Fiends, mariannz, Not-so-sticky-doja, TninnyHammer, Round Peggy & Urban Jafony -- All going through hitting disagree -- trying to ease the ass pain.

You guys are the last defense of this company that doesn't give a rat's nasty a$$ about you, but hey once a pimp get's their money after slapping a b*tch knowing she'll come back for more -- they know they got her FOR LIFE.

[The Dude]

Halo 3 is selling great and by the end of next month there will be more copies sold of halo 3 than the entire ps3 install base. paybacks a b1itch.

[yoshifett]

But then I read this and recognized the error of my ways. Into the garbage shoot, Halo 3!

I'm not defending Microsoft, just pointing out that this is a minor detail that won't detract from the experience unless you're a total anal-retentive pillow biter.

[The Dude]

You guys are so afraid of Halo that you google the news every couple of minutes looking for any story to put a negative spin on Halo.You smell a little blood and wanna move in for the big Halo kill. You can't argue the fact that Halo 3 has been a huge success and critically acclaimed. And if Halo 3 was available for the ps3 all of you would have a copy and would be slaying online. But its not so go back to your blu movies you jealous bastards and dream of killzone. Back to Halo 3.

And I hope that all the n4g community remembers the sony fanboys when killzone comes out pay backs a B1itch.

[Armyless]

Dirt? Oblivion?

You are contributing to the very cycle you're complaining about.

[dangerstepp]

Filled with nothing but shameless Sony propaganda. The only reason I visit this place is because the web filter at work blocks all the real gaming news sites.

N4SONYG.com <-------New site name
or
N4PS3G.com

What a waste of skin.

[Rageaholic]

Cuz honeslty I have seen alot of 360 games and they dont look CRISP like a pc.

[TriggerHappy]

PGR4, TRL, Halo3 and PDZ.

As for PS3 games - the PS3 can't upscale games like the 360, as it doesn't have the chip. However, GTHD is 1440by1080 (GT5 will be 1920by1080 - Polyphony were open about this), and Ninja Gaiden Sigma is something similar.

[Rageaholic]

All this debate over something that is already low res.
720 is pretty low, but 640 is pretty dam low

PC gaming for the win,
Graphics on pc will always be king.
Fps games on pc will always be king
rts games will always be king.

[gololo]

is this true? is there an official source that confirms this?

[Cat]

so far just the forum post. maybe they'll add some alternate sources.

[C_SoL]

thats why this game looks like sh*t

[THAMMER1]

Enjoy the video.

[ALMIGHTYPS3]

yOUR boys at M$ are spreading faulty last gen hardware/over hyped crap games and you fanbots keep sucking on it like cold popsicle on a hot summer day lmfao!

xbots>640>pwned>lmfa o!!!!

[Fighter]

I thought this game was going to kill the PS3 forever. What happened? Before you guys call this a PS3 killer, maybe you should wait for a while until you discover all the bugs in this game.

No wonder they say this is Halo 2 in HD. At least it got a lot of high scores from unbiased reviewers (ahem, Dan Shu, ahem and all those that received the $800 bribe/gift bag, ahem) and that's what really counts, right?

[tplarkin7]

Maybe those that say Halo 3 is "over-hyped garbage" should play it before trashing it.

[PimpHandHappy]

for 4 hours at my friends house! The biggest game i was in was 6vs6 on the map with the river running through it. That game is soooooo over hyped. I seen one map i liked, the one with the turning wheel. Other then that map the rest are junk. 6vs6 is lame and half the time nobodys left there bunker. Warhawk has 10 times the action going on.

I have now played both games and Warhawk is alot more fun then Halo IMO...

peace

[omansteveo]

You hate it but yet played it for hours?

[IRONMAN_X57]

and yes ps3 can scale to 720i idiots, xbox last defense is weak, where is your 360, in the shop

ill be playing warhawk

PSN:IRONMAN357

[omansteveo]

Good thing it so much fun then

[PS360PCROCKS]

LMAO! 720i? Wtf is 720i? Imagine that you only see 360 lines interlaced lol how convenient!

[sleepbox]

Halo 3 is crackedy crack crack. I cannot quit playing on my SDTV.

[FourtyPoundSteak]

who f#cking cares... its a damn video game! ps3 lovers play whatever games make u happy. xb360 lovers do tha same. drink a beer stroke a gurl and stfu arguing over stupid stuff.

[wallace1000]

A bubble for you, you said it all. You also highlighted the reason this thread is going strong, most of the "amazing human beings that grace this site with their words" can't drink a beer and might have talked to a girl by now. The jury is still out on that one though. I am with you though, i raise a toast to all those that love gaming and just want to have a good time and discuss gaming news without it turning into a pissing match.

[fopums]

all these posters should take this too heart.

plenty of reasons too own both consoles, no one can truly deny it, if you think thats not true try pulling your lips off of your respective company's anus.

the only real winners are the PC PSWII60 crowd. granted thats a lot o' money to throw at video games.

as for this, Halo isn't perfect, never was, is the third installment fun? yes its very fun. Unfortunately though budgets and income received do not reflect quality. Spiderman 3 was the weakest film in the series yet grossed the most. though Halo 3 is definetly better than Halo 2

take that however you want, at this point Im done talking about Halo, there are plenty of articles that are just regurgitating everything we already know.

[PS360PCROCKS]

I wanna join the 21+ crew, as I am 22. Hell I am a 22 year old chef student and gaming for me is about FUN! Something Halo most certainly is.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

NEXT GEN GLORY...hmm not yet

[iceice123]

You came out of your hole? Forum post, not real. Doesn't matter if it is, ggameplay>graphics. Funny thing is only you PS3 fanboys are the ones who disagree with that. In fact lair just proves the point. Halo 3 > all on your console ever. Sad that you flame something that is better than anything you will ever get. But hey if it makes you feel better I guess I can understand.

[SL1M DADDY]

Try not to sound so stupid there bud. Halo 3 is a good game but in now way will make the sales that GT5 and FFXIII are going to hit. Not to mentio other PS3 exclusives like MGS4 and R&C, along with Uncharted and (timed exclusives) UT3. You just don't want to make statements about a game franchise that has sold only 1 million more than Ratchet and Clank's series... Do you see where I am coming from? You want to see a game that demolishes all? Go look at the sale figures for Gran Turismo and tell me what you see? Halo pales in comparison little buddy. Now, slip yourself into those Halo pajamas and try and get some sleep before posting another silly comment. lol

[HateBoy]

Selling a lot of copies of a game implies that there are console owners to buy em. Considering ps3 owners would have to multiply by 10 within the next months or so to make halo sales figures look stupid, and also ps3 owners would have to actually be buying the games (which we don't cus we are too busy watching blu-rays). Now if you are gonna call someone stupid at least check if you aren't FIRST. Dummass

[PS360PCROCKS]

he sounds stupid? LMAO! GT5, FF, MGS4 and Ratchet and Clank will not see individually anywhere NEAR Halo 3. Are you stupid? Where do you get your information from? and Ratchet and Clank has only sold a million less huh? Oh um did you realize their is 2 Halo's and like 5 Ratchets? Plus Halo 3 will outsell GT5, on the first day, on the second day, in the first week, in the first month, and overall. mark it down and remember that because it's going to happen!

[timmyrulz]

If everyone on here put as much passion and thought to real life issues as you do on here then we would live in a much better world and our future would be safe, i dont care if i have my remaining bubbles taken (nasim manages so will i), but its pathetic, especially Sony Fan droids or should i say Fan Lemmings (weeeeeeee lets all jump off this cliff together!!!!), i come on here to read news about games but every post is fanboyism, HALO 3 this, HALO 3 that, Lair this Lair that, sh1t i have even been drawn into it myself, end of the Day Halo 3 is an awesome game that has a shelf life like no other, and i am more than sure that they will be more great games of us gamers to play in the future, enjoy, dont destroy!

[Genki]

Enjoy the game. Who cares.

[Sovannah Phum]

Halo 3= Halo 2 Upscaled port. I liken this to Nintendo Squishing the Gamecube an reselling it for $250 a pop.

[The BS Police]

Is that even a real HD resolution?

the Xbox 360 only supports the following.

480p
720p
1080i
1080p

[cjooconnor]

ps3 mehmehmehmehmeh 360 mehmehmehmehmehmeh. Get a life loosers

[solidt12]

It doesn't make the game better or worst so it doesn't matter to me. But to a techie I can see how it matters. Next Gen isn't quite where it should be but just upscaling and emulating. Believe what you want but Sony will get there first.

[Shaka2K6]

It still looks like garbage.

[S1D3 EFFEC7]

I'm playing Halo 3 right now on 720p and if I hadn't seen this article I never would have noticed. Oh, and I'm having a helluva lot of fun.

*goes back and keeps playing*

[Capt CHAOS]

Enjoy.

[Scaramanga]

Reading all this feels like a summer movie....
*eating popcorn*

[Shadow Flare]

hahaha, man, yep that's microsoft's star title leading the way for their next gen console. So this 640p thing is what, no.8 on the list of problems with Halo 3? Of course along with, crap story, crap ending, crap graphics and generally being a Halo 2 clone in HD...oh, OH NO it's not is it!

Halo 2.5 in HD 1.5 - Finish the fight, recieve a RROD as your achievement

It's almost hilarious how poor this game is, it's supposed to be Microsofts supergame, their last hope of crushing ps3.

But the bigger problem i have is the fact that despite the game has so many problems in it, problems reviewers have noted, reviewers have still given it 10/10, cos they basically caved into the pressure of it have the 'Halo' name on it. 10/10 is supposed to be a perfect score for a perfect game. Yet this game is far, far from perfect yet it recieves 10/10. Are reviews worth listening to? No

One last word...640p

[dangerstepp]

I really do hate this site. They should honestly name it: n4PS3g.com

It's littered with fanboys and horribly biased news. There are more than five articles on the front page that are slagging on Halo and so on, yet there's a rant on the the PSN update. Unbelievable.

[dangerstepp]

Do you really have nothing better to do than troll on a crappy internet site about a game you dislike?

Seriously, man? It sounds like you're just hot under the collar because everyone else is enjoying an excellent game that you're deprived of.

[FirstknighT]

Yet the game is still the highest rated FPS ever in gaming history and still CRUSHES any game on the ps3. Keep digging for bad news kiddies because you are not going to change those facts. :)

[TriggerHappy]

I think people are mistaking something. This isn't so much about Halo3, but about the console and development on the 360 2 years into it's life cycle. Plus it makes the jaggies look worse.

[LiquifiedArt]

You Get what u pay for. A piece of crap, filled with lies and shotty components. oh yea.. and PAY 2 PLAY Gaming.

"Welcome This is Microsoft."

[richie007bond]

I will take the word of dev bungie any day to this article,if bungie say its runs at 720p or 1080p natively i believe them....

[richie007bond]

lol just goes to show how big HALO 3 is,everyones talking about good or bad,so at the end of the day HALO 3 OWNS

[Gamer13]

Wether it runs a 640p or more its a good looking game trust me, haters will keep on crying.

[squallsoft]

I didn't think a news story about the native resolution of a game would cause such an uproar. I saw it, thought it was interesting and posted it. gamers on both sides of the fence seem to really be surprised by the fact that halo 3 natively displays at 620p. wonder why that is...

[mesh1]

ur fooling no 1 kid try harder ps3 fanboy this site and its moderators ofc work for sony and it seems like squaresoft and his bunch of panzie friends are so angry that they spend their life on this site promoting their illusion of the ps3 and also most of these emo ps3 kids are japanesse i bet try their hardest to keep a hold of something they 1s had sony has lost there to muc of agap and ps halo 3 in motion is godly ps i h8 hal2 crappy game halo 3 is what i call a solid good game 9.5/10 easly if u have knowledge of games gears of war =crap game bioshock=close to a masterpiece i give it 9.7/10

[Jesso2k]

With no xbox guys around anymore the ps3 faithful have used this site to spread outright lies and propaganda.

I am a little dissapointed with bungie. Not with 640p, the game is beautiful and runs smooth, I would dare say the best looking game ever when taking the sheer amount of varied and open enviroments.

No I'm disapointed they gave these retards have the flamebait to discredit a game they've never played since now they can lean on a number (640p) instead of actually playing the game themselves to give a fair and balanced review.

I actually had to scroll down 245+ comments of mostly ignorant banter to add this comment. Lets use our eyes for a sec, Halo 3 and PGR 3 both look incredible, and numbers that matter? 94.8% average on gamerankings.com, higher than any PS3 game, and will be for some time. PGR 3? 88.4%. What's surprising about that, it would place it 2nd all time on the the PS3! Food for thought.

[felidae]

so finally it really is Halo 2.5 or maybe just 2.25?

[harpua]

even the NY Times dissed it

http://www.nytimes.com/2007...

[squallsoft]

...things arent looking good for Microsoft right now. On top of the whole RRoD thing, now I hear ppl are saying thier copies of Halo dont work... Tsk Tsk Microsoft... for shame... for shame...

[yoshifett]

Things are going badly for microsoft right now! Wow, what a mouthbreathing comment. You are aware, right, that Halo 3 made more money in the first day than even the biggest film blockbusters have ever made in their first weekend. Thing couldn't be looking better for Microsoft. The 360 has multiple killer apps with 90+ average ratings, but all the PS3 has is the monumental bomb that was Lair, and Heavenly Sword, which is averaging about 80/100 in reviews. Hardly the killer app they needed to make up the massive difference in hardware sales. The PS3 has a long road to make it back, and none of microsoft's recent success is going to help them catch up.

[yoshifett]

You realize this article is completely meaningless in the big picture right? Halo 3 shattered ever sales record, and when you go on Xbox live there are literally 100,000 of people online playing, and enjoying, Halo 3. So, 640p, 780i, 1134gay, it doesn't matter, the game is fun and it's destroying the PS3. How abou this? COME OUT WITH A GOOD GAME SONY! Then we'll take notice. For now though, this is sour grapes, and a bunch of people with an overpriced paperweight/bluray/betamax player bitter that they can't play Gears of War, BioShock, Halo 3, etc...

[dangerstepp]

I couldn't say it better myself. I hate this God forsaken n4PS3g site.

End of speech.

[yoshifett]

There's nothing more enjoyable than watching Sony fanboys clutching at straws.

[squallsoft]

...that word "fanboy", dont you? i dont really care who wins the console war to be honest, but i call it how i see it. microsoft messed up. not to say that the mistake will give the ps3 any ground, but a mistake is a mistake. get over it man. 360 isnt any more of a perfect console than the wii or ps3 is...

[THAMMER1]

Double stander maybe!? Yeah I think so.

[PimpHandHappy]

look at all these posts!!!

dam

if anyone is grasping at straws its the Halo fanatics and how they deny the faults in this game.

I played it for 5 hours yesterday on a 1080p TV and i played RFOM after that for about 30min. RFOM looks better

ADD ON: Dude under me!!!! Yea i played RFOM for a year at my own home. I dont own a 360 yet and my buddy just got Halo soooo why in gods name would anyone want to play RFOM when u have a new FPS to play. I did like Halo but i wanted to compare the two games b4 i left because i cant do that at my house....I wouldnt buy a 360 for this game and Warhawk is alot more fun!

[borgome]

Notice how you played Halo 3 for 5 hours and only played RFOM for 30 minutes, you must really like Halo 3.

[7ero H3LL]

these guy's pic
http://images.gamersyde.com...

my pics

[ShiftyLookingCow]

So everyone had their revenge on Halo 3 and enjoyed every freaking bit of it. Looking at Halo 3 again now I can see why the aliasing was worse than expected for 720p. The game still totally rocks. Anyways since you guys so totally believe "Quaz51" on Halo 3 lets see if you will believe him when says this:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...
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Quote:
[Originally Posted by djskribbles:
can someone please answer this? are all these PS3 games using resolutions like 600p etc doing the scaling via software?]

yes, software upscale for game like Tony hawk (600 > 720p) or ninja gaiden (720 > 1080 for better compatibilité with HDTV)
and hardware upscale for game like GTHD (1440x1080 > 1920x1080) or Rub'a'dub (1600x1080 > 1920x1080)

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Seriously consoles will never come near PCs. Stop nitpicking and enjoy your games. I guess true HD will begin in the next generation

[kss]

halo is the most over hyped over rated piece of dung ever xbot1.5 sucks sony balls

[BUKKAKALYPSE]

Put down the hate and pick up a controller. Shut up and game.

[dangerstepp]

91.2 - N4G.com is Sham
Filled with nothing but shameless Sony propaganda. The only reason I visit this place is because the web filter at work blocks all the real gaming news sites.

N4SONYG.com <-------New site name
or
N4PS3G.com

What a waste of skin.

[NextGen24Gamer]

First of all you don't own an xbox 360. I see you list your gamertag for your Ps3...But no gamertag for your xbox 360 that you claim to play on the 1080p tv.

I knew you were lying when you said you played Halo 3 on your 1080p tv then you played Resistence. LOL....

I knew because anyone who has played Halo 3 on a 1080p TV knows it looks spectacular. I don't know or care if Halo 3 is native 640p. If Bungie decided to do that...its probibly for the benefit of the game. I have never seen a game that looks as pretty. All the effects and HDR lighting is way beyond any game made before it. Its truly a beautiful game.

Developers do all kind of tricks when they make a game. All that matters is the end result. The xbox 360 upscales games internaly with its hardware. Developers have said before that there is a trade off. If you make games with higher resolutions you loose some of the special effects and graphical fidelity and tricks.

Even on High end PC's...if you turn up the resolution...you have to turn down the other effects. Its just the way it is.

All and all I love the way Halo 3 turned out. I just beat it last night on Heroic and clocked in 15 hours. I unlocked the Mystic skull which is the hardest difficulty after Legendary.

Now in regards to Resistence...LOL....I swear to goodness that game looks bad. I said it when it first launched after I popped it in my Ps3 and played it. It doesn't look as good as any of the FPS games on the xbox 360. Even Call of duty 2 looks better than Resistence.

And this is coming from a MAN who has both the Ps3 and the xbox 360. I own a 1080p tv and I buy every game released. Just because I love games and I can.

I have been reading this thread for a day now and I truly feel sorry for many of the ignorant fanboys on this site. It saddens me that people lie all day long just to attempt to make invalid points.

Who enjoys and gets a kick out of this attempt to bash the Greatest Game in History. 640p or not. On my TV when I click the display button it clearly says 1080p when I'm playing Halo 3. When I play Resistence and every other game on the Ps3...I click the button on my tv controller and it says 720p.

I don't know what developers decide when they make a game. But I know what my eyes tell me. And Halo 3 is a thing of beauty.

None of us in here are developers. We are suppose to be Gamers. I trust Bungie in making what ever decisions they did to make Halo 3 what it is in the end result.

A game that averages in the mid 9's from every review site on the planet. Just like Gears of War, Just like Oblivion, Just like Bio Shock.

Sony fans hate that. They hate it with a passion. So much hate that they flood this comment section with childish comments with little to NO knowledge of what they talk about.

Halo 3 will go down in History as the biggest 24 hours sales event. And it will sell over 10 million copies when its all said and done. And when your number one....Everyone wants to bring you down. Sony fans should know this. Sony was number one for 2 generations....and now that the shoe is on the other foot...instead of being grown ups....you lash out. Sad indeed.

[techie]

"None of us in here are developers."

I wouldn't be so sure about that. You have no idea who's here.

"with little to NO knowledge of what they talk about."

Most, but not all.

"Halo 3 will go down in History as the biggest 24 hours sales event."

And that's what it's all about? Noone's saying this makes Halo3 a bad game - (if they do they are morons) - it's instead more about the console Elite. The game is 640p - which makes the jaggies look worse. This is how the discussion arose in the first place - the very strange aliasing in the game.

Plus even thugh the 360 has an amazing upscaler, it's still false advertising in a way.

"Now in regards to Resistence...LOL....I swear to goodness that game looks bad."

Ok. Well you can at least agree that the character models, latter textures and AA is superior to Halo3. The games have different looks and different strengths (Halo's being HDR) - shame you can't admit that.

So you were wrong about 14 360 games being native 1080p? You were wrong to say that the 360 has "free AA" and that all PS3 games will have worse jaggies? Don't think I forgot Elite.

[NextGen24Gamer]

Your right. But I think its more like 99% of the comments in here are made with the intent to bash a game they haven't played and the comments are made from people who know very little about what they are talking about. I'm sure there are developers who visit here. But I doubt there are any commenting on this thead talking about....HALO SUCKS....LOl.....

In regards to Resistence...No one can convince me of what I saw and played when I played it. I was sooooooooo Dissappointed in that game. I was pretty pissed off about it. I thought the Charactor models and the texture work was really bad. Almost laughable. Thats the game that had me worried about the Ps3 and what it was actually capable of. But then games like Heavonly Sword released and Warhawk....and my faith has been restored. So the Ps3 isn't a total failure now in my eyes....But it still lags pretty far behind the xbox 360 in regards to Games. But I'm sure there will be more games coming for the Ps3. Uncharted is one I look foward to along with Ratchet.....

But I have to be completely honest. I love how Halo 3 looks. I think Bungie did a outstanding job. People who give the graphics an 8 or 9....are people who were expecting Gears of war type textures. Halo 3 clearly went a different art direction. And I'm sooooo glad they did it the way they did. It totally immerses you in the game. As you can tell....I love Halo 3.

This is coming from a Gamer who buys every console and every game. I don't care what console sells the most. I don't care which format wins....All I care about in regards to games is playing them.

How many Gamers on this site are like me?

I would happily invite every member of the N4G's community to my house in Seattle and we could play games and have fun. Isn't that what its about. I would even invite Achira, Jin, DJ, Nasim, and so on.

I just love Games. And I always speak honestly from my perspective as a Gamer. I don't pretend to be nuetral. I do have favorites....but I'm not blinded by my favorites...If a game releases on the Ps3 that blows me away...I will be the first gamer on this site talking about it.

[Antan]

"None of us in here are developers"

Er, speak for yourself on that one.

The more i play Halo3 the more the gfx become less of an issue to me. Yes im still disappointed for a 2nd/3rd gen MS title (it has been confirmed by Bungie to run in the lesser resolution then upscaled http://uk.gamespot.com/news... The more you play it the more you just forget about it, and the games shinning light (gameplay) takes over, especially in co-op mode!!

As Elite says, you really need to play single player on at least Heroic and co-op on legendary. I prefer Halo3 single player/co-op over Gears, and of course Gears gfx over Halo`s. A marriage of the 2 would of been breathtaking.

[NextGen24Gamer]

These Screen shots clearly show that what ever resolution Bungie decided to use....Looks Stunning. When playing the game....You feel like you are in an interactive digital movie. The HDR lighting is superb....and the textures are ultra smooth. For those of you who haven't playd the game or seen it in action. Here are some screen shots. Bungie clearly went for the graphical fideltiy and special effects with Halo 3. And I believe it was the right choice. I haven't seen any other game look like Halo 3 does.

Gears was super detailed....and Halo 3 is ultra smooth and just flat out pretty.

http://screenshots.teamxbox...

http://screenshots.teamxbox...

http://screenshots.teamxbox...

http://screenshots.teamxbox...

http://screenshots.teamxbox...

Anyone who says that Halo 3 is too easy or says they beat it in less than 8 hours.....They did not play it on Heroic or Legendary.

I was surprised at how many gamers on my friends list played Halo 3 on Easy or Normal. Some people just want to finish the fight and aren't looking for a challenge. I even had people lie and say they beat it on Legendary....Then when I click on their achievments.....I saw they clearly didn't beat it on legendary...A matter of fact they beat it on Easy. Because when you beat it on Easy....You don't get an achievement for beating the game. Which is worth 125 points on Normal/Heroic/ and Legendary. Now that I have unlocked Mythic....I will play online co op on Legendary with Mythic activated....Now thats how you play Halo 3.

640p? 1080p? All I know is the game looks Beautiful...and once the critics who have been overly critical of the graphics realize that Halo 3 wasn't trying to be Gears of War....it wasn't doing what the unreal engine did with Bio Shock....It was doing its own thing and being innovative in different aspects of graphics....I think they will appreciate what Bungie has created more. Screen shots from in game don't lie. Check them out and appreciate the work of art Bungie has created. I love it. Great Gaming.

[PimpHandHappy]

when u try to hard to prove ur own point u look desperate

anyway

Halo is in no way beautiful...Bio Shock looks alot better then this game but then again they didnt have to add online to that game....Gears looks cooler/better then this game....

They took over 2 years making this game and tell you the truth...I think COD4 and Unreal are going to show why this game is just average in regards to look and feel...If this wasnt a established franchise this game wouldnt even be a blip on the FPS radar

[NextGen24Gamer]

Anyone who has followed my comments knows that I love to type and talk about Games I have actually played. I typically type long comments due to the fact that I don't comment very often. So when I do...I'm thorough.

You are a Joke. You don't have an xbox 360 and you haven't played Halo 3 on a 1080p tv.

I'm desperate? LOL....Why would I be desperate. I actually own the consoles and games. I actually have HD tv's all through out my home. I actually do buy over 30k a year on video games/entertainment.

Its my nature to be thorough when i'm making a comment. You and many others are the ones that are desperate to attempt to bash Halo 3.

The thing is....There isn't anything you can do to stop what Halo 3 is doing and has done thus far. LOL....Doesn't that piss you off.....

Halo 3 Looks spectacular and has averageed in the mid 9's from many many game review sies.....

Halo 3 will be the biggest selling game of this generaton when its all said and done.

Halo 3 had the biggest one day sales for any game in history.

Halo 3 made more money in the first 24 hours than any game in history..

Halo 3 broke records in every territory it launched in. Well, except maybe Japan. I don't know...but it did better than Blue Dragon did in its first day.

Fanboys can bash it. They can hate it even though they have never played it. But you can't stop it. And that pisses you off. Grow up...make some money and buy some damn games.

[Violater]

wipe off your mouth, your talking $hit

Fact:The game is native 640P..

Deal with it.

[techie]

"I thought the Charactor models and the texture work was really bad. Almost laughable."

Well you are very wrong. I don't think you've actually looked in the face of Chimera...or even played the final levels of the game - with the super sharp textures. I know you like the art style of Halo3 - it's colourful.

Heavenly Sword should fit you quite nicely then - has some of the best graphics on any system - if not the best. And I think it's funny that you thnk Halo does. It's technically not that impressive...it does have nice HDR. It is NOT super smooth though as you have said - it's veryjaggy, and showing the screenshots taking in theatre mode (adds 4xAA) won't prove it's smooth. But it doesn't matter Elite! It's a great game to play. It's not the best the 360 can offer - certainly not....so hyping up it's graphics anymore almost admits deeat Elite.

"This is coming from a Gamer who buys every console and every game. I don't care what console sells the most. I don't care which format wins....All I care about in regards to games is playing them.

How many Gamers on this site are like me?"

Oh Elite...deary me. I do hate it when I hear that drivel coming from you...How many gamers on this site are like you? Not many - and thank God for that. I prefer the honest, clever, nonminipulative ones.

"I would happily invite every member of the N4G's community to my house in Seattle and we could play games and have fun. Isn't that what its about."

lol thanks for the invite.

"Halo 3 will go down in History as the biggest 24 hours sales event. And it will sell over 10 million copies when its all said and done." - it's not about sales, or how good the game is. It's about technology and tech. Simple as - the defence isn;t needed!

The textures are super smooth? That means thy are low res...I kid.

"I actually do buy over 30k a year on video games/entertainment." Yes because you work for Nintendo? :/

[richie007bond]

This sites reeks of Sony propaganda,sad really

[NextGen24Gamer]

"we gave you 1280 pixels of vertical resolution, since Halo 3 uses not one, but two frame buffers – both of which render at 1152x640 pixels. The reason we chose this slightly unorthodox resolution and this very complex use of two buffers is simple enough to see – lighting. "

Most games use One frame buffer at 1280x720p

Halo 3 uses 2 frame buffers at 1152x640p otherwise a staggering.......2304x1280p

So Halo 3 has twice the resolution of games like Resistence and Motorstorm.

Its simple Math and I appreciate Bungie clarifying it. Not that it matters to anyone who has played the game. Its a Fantstic game and deserves all the 9.5's its averaging. Its more so for all the rabid sony fanboys who enjoy bashing the biggest game of our generation.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Antan]

"Correction....Halo 3's resolution is 2304x1280p"

As in the other thread, no it doesn`t, it doesn`t work like that Elite. Please don`t go technical on something you clearly don`t understand, there are developers on here mate ;)

As a 360 follower i apreciate you defensive stance against the Sony boy`s, but there really is no need. As you say let the sales do the talking and quite clearly they are doing that in droves!! But leave the technical jargon to the people who know as your making yourself look a wee bit silly.

Best
Ant.........

[xg-ei8ht]

I was sitting here thinking of something really interesting to say, and then i just pissed myself laughing.

Halo 3 640p.

Its a new microsoft resolution. In actual fact, Many games use this res on the 360.

To Deep - At least a man who knows his stuff. And if i were xbox or ps3 owners i'd listen, because the guy has knowledge.

[skynidas]

yayy!!!!!

[bootsielon]

I thought you moronic Xbots said that Xbox 360 is the most powerful console! Not only it can't do HD for its flagship title, the graphics are STILL unimpressive with that advantage! Poor xbots.