Why Forza 4 could take over Gran Turismo 5

Gran Turismo 5 has been out for some time now, and it has positioned itself as one of the best racing games around. We have also heard that Forza 4 is set to be released in 2011 and looks like it could be a great competitor for Gran Turismo 5. In this article Kickarss wants to discuss why Forza could be better than GT5.

[awiseman]

0000 must be another conspiracy against sony...

[Dark_Charizard]

Do you know what EA's boss said? “The way you unseat a market leader is you make a better game a couple of times in a row."

Think about it. Microsoft is applying a similar strategy. We've seen 3 major Forza games already this gen in contrast with one major GT5. On top of that, all Forza's have a higher metascore than GT5. The only way I see Gran Turismo regain its former popularity is the release of GT6 and GT7 this generation: and fast.

[PirateThom]

Gran Turismo hasn't lost any of its popularity though, in fact, it's still highly praised.

No, the reason its metacritic scores took a hit was because they went too far with it, they made the game too hard unlike Forza which went the opposite direction.

[Genesis5]

That's right PT. Forza went for the more arcade style racer while GT stayed true to its origins and remained what it is famous for. The worlds best driving simulator.

[nycredude]

Aghostfromthepast

If you think Forza is more popular than Gt5 you are delusional. Gt5 out sold Forza 3 lifetime sales inless than 2 weeks.

Which one is the better game depends on who you ask but there is no disputing Gt5's popularity.

[StanLee]

Forza 3 isn't easier than GT5, it's just more accessible. There are tools in the game to help the more casual fan of racing titles but these tools are optional. A casual player may gradually remove these tools as he progresses and learns or the more die hard fan wanting a sim can turn all these options off. Forza 3 is a great game and having release 2 iterations this gen, Turn 10 received great feedback from Forza 2's community.

[gaffyh]

Well from actually playing BOTH games, GT5 is A LOT better than Forza, and a lot of people who have also played both games agree. GT is a better simulation especially, whereas Forza, while not an arcade racer, is more arcade-y.

The only reason we've seen 3 major Forza games, and now a fourth coming soon is because MS want to catch up to GT with the numbers. That's it. Once Forza hit's 5, they will wait to release games in a similar timeframe to Gran Turismo, and hopefully then there actually will be some quality to the game, rather than them rushing to release a game every 1-2 years with minor improvements.

[TreMillz]

the rewind feature made Forza automatically Arcade style.... not even much arcade racers have that feature...and a so called simulator does...

[darthv72]

ANY new version of a game has the potential to out-do not only its former release but also the comparative competition.

It is a matter of not only capitalizing on the good points to make them better but also adding features that hadnt been thought of or included in the prior release.

It will take more than that however when it comes to the popularity (name recognition). Not that it can't happen but that it makes it more difficult to get people to see your product and what it offers more/better.

That sentiment is basically in all forms of business. You could have a better cheaper product but some are so stuck on name brand that they wont deviate. That is where marketing comes into play.

edit: @gaffyh
"The only reason we've seen 3 major Forza games, and now a fourth coming soon is because MS want to catch up to GT with the numbers. That's it."

I dont see where it is relevant that a game series have to match x number of releases to be accepted. If that were true, then we need more RPG's cause FF is approaching 14 soon.

Come on phantasy star 14.

[thereapersson]

PD is updating, and will continue to update, the game with every feature, and fixing nearly every complaint that reviewers had with the game.

The unfortunate side-effect to this, is that most people who will never play the game will take reviews at face value, not attempting to look further into things. Those who actually ignored the shit reviews and purchased the game for themselves are being rewarded with diligent attention from the developers, and game that is well-worthy of praise.

[GeneGodHand]

Gt5 has to worry about nothing it made so much money and the name is famous Forza is a nobody keeping it real.

[punisher99]

Unfortunately for you and Microsoft. Metascores doesnt have anything to do with real gamers. A real gamer doesn't use scores to determine whats good or not.

[cobpswii3600]

Lost popularity? GT5 has already sold better than Every Forza game. Reviews? Screw em.

[Clarence]

You couldn't be more wrong. You are basing populartiy on a metric score. Well I would say that about 5m people disagree with you. By the end GT5 run Fartza 4 nor 5 will surpass GT5 in sales or quality.

[ChronoJoe]

Every Forza has had a better meta score than every respective GT game. (Forza 1, better rated than GT4, Forza 2, better rated than GT4, Forza 3 better rated than GT5). So kinda debunks that theory. It's mostly because Forza doesn't have the licenses and feature set, which are what's important to sim racing fans, rather than metascores.

Just not the same type of game. GT focuses on being a sim, and Forza focuses on being a game... different things and it's a sim that sim.

And we all know that Forza 4 won't look ANYWHERE NEAR what is displayed there. Everyone saw the Forza 1 bullshots, and then the Forza 2 ones, then the Forza 3 ones, now these are the Forza 4 ones.

[ChronoJoe]

@StanLee

You're wrong. Driving on forza is ALWAYS assisted. It always has the GT equivalent of 'skid assist' stuck on.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

It's for casuals. Sorry, but the game is built for casual racing fans, not hardcore players who want a good racing SIM.

[Strikepackage Bravo]

GT5 comes up short in too many areas, there is more to racing than driving in a circle around a track. I cant change my tire pressure, I cant put on lighter rims, my tire choices are limited, GT5 AI is retarded, and when I slam into a wall my performance is unaffected in GT5, that is not a sim, GT5 is an arcade racer, Forza is way more realistic.

[rockleex]

"Forza is NOT an "arcade style" racer."

Then tell me why the Forza devs decided to modify the real race tracks to make it MUCH easier to drive?

Forza 2:
http://img46.imageshack.us/...

Real:
http://img713.imageshack.us...

[zag]

@Strikepackage Bravo

LoL, racing is just that racing in a circle on a track, if your on a street you'll just go in a straight line or do a big circle, that's what they do in Stockholm dvds

Changing tire pressure isn't good anyway, if they are low you'll run the risk of poping tires from heat in the sidewall, and if they are to high you run the risk of them poping from hitting the bumps and they have no flex in them to allow them to shape around the bump.

Spec B racing allows to make the AI much better racers as you become their manager, so if you never do any spec B racing it'll be AI lvl 1 it can goto lvl40+ in AI in GT5.

Also the idea isn't to hit the wall but to stay on the track... try and do it on a real track you'll find it's not as easy as you think.

The problems I find with Forza is the cars all goto un-realistic speeds even a mini1 will do 300kph when their motor only does a max of 90kph is laughable, also all the cars have real bad under-steer.

It simply doesn't behave like a real car should and in a sim that's the way it should be, GT5 isn't about making it easy to drive as it isn't at speed in a real car.

That's why so many new drivers crash all the time, as they get cocky thinking they can take every corner at 150kph and that off camber corner throws them into a tree like a piece of paper.

Forza is hugely unrealistic, people saying it's a sim is a joke.

[B-312]

inb4 PS3 fanboy shitstorm

oh damn... too late :/

[Dee_91]

lol
this fails so much
1 they are cmoparing a in game shot to a bullsot and i remember seeing some forza 3 bullshots and they looked incredible but the in game cars were not as good

2
my opinion top gear us is too generic and stripted and the track isnt famous like the top gear uk track so its kinda pointless to gloat about some unknown track being featured ..

3 kinect support ...

im not saying forza 4 wont be as good as gt5 ( i cant see the future)but those were shitty reasons it could beat gt5

[AAACE5]

When will it end?

Forza 2 came out. Then GT5P came out and people complained how can you compare GT5P to an old game?

Then Forza 3 came out and people complained, How can you compare F3 to GT5P which is a year old?

Now GT 5 is out and people are complaining, How can you compare GT 5 to a game that is almost a year old?

Next, Forza 4 will come out and people will be asking, How can you compare Forza 4 to GT 5, because GT 5 is the greatest and last racing game we will ever need....

...at least until GT 6 comes out anyway!

[bennyace]

The reason GT5 scores took a hit. It's because it's 80% PS2 and 20% PS3. That's the main reason for me and the reason I sold it already. I was very disapointed with the long wait for that little new content. And I don't care about Nascar or go-karts. I don't care when EA releases A Nascar game every year so why should I care that it's on GT5.

And to those saying that Forza is Arcady probably never played it or haven't tried it without the assists. Spin it the way you want GT5 only recieved 3 perfect scores on meta while Forza 3 got 10. I know I'll get a lot of disagrees for that. Omg saying something negative abour GT5 on N4G! What was I thinking.

[ChronoJoe]

@DK286K

The integrity of the video I posted isn't up for debate at this stage, or with me. It's old, and it's been discussed and tested to death all over Forza forums, if you want to get into it go there and try argue with the people who've tested it.

[Dee_91]

@benny

since your saying 80% of the cars are from gt4 and only 20% is ps3 ( which goes to show you never even played the game let alone " sold it ")
tthat means the entire game is 80% gt4 despite all the new content besides the nascar and karting ?

thats wierd i didnt know that the cars were 100% of the game :p

and btw the only ones saying forza isnt arcadey havent played gt5 yet

[AndrewRyan]

I agree. Forza 3 was not as much of a simulator but I loved the game for it's customization, the game was really, really fun. GT5 is a lot more realistic and the graphics are great. Fun? Yeah sure it is! It depends on who you are.

[Anon1974]

Here's the problem with the idea of Forza taking over from GT. Europe and Japan. The Europeans and Japanese love their cars, and they love their racing games just as much as the Americans do, but outside of the US the 360 never really caught on. It's still primarily a US built console that caters to the US audience. So, while Americans may snatch up Forza - the market in Japan and Europe will always be limited for them simply based on the install base, which isn't in a position to challenge Sony. Unless the 360 suddenly cracks the European and Japanese markets and takes it away from the PS3, which simply isn't about to happen, Forza sales will always be limited. It's Europe and Japan combined that are by far driving GT sales.

[bennyace]

@Dmarc look at my avatar. I took the picture of the 2 boxes (gt5 and forza 3) together with my name written underneath because I knew that some Sony fanboy would say that I never played GT5.

I was at level 14 when I sold it. And You don't have to take my word for it... it's all over the internet that GT5 is 80% recycled (800 standard cars from 1000 = 80%)and the new content is about 20% cars and tracks. I won't post links, I'm sure you can find it. But you probably don't want to anyways. Keep believing that GT5 didn't under-deliver. But 60+ reviews say the exact opposite. Only people that waited 5 years for GT5 without playing Forza deny that fact.

[rareairtone]

There are obviously advantages and disadvantages to Turn 10's release schedule.

I don't know which one outweighs the other, but what I do like is that the frequent occurrence of iterations allow them to receive feedback constantly.

[Dee_91]

@benny
1. that doesent change a thing
if you think that 1000 cars = 100% of the game i dont know what to say to you
2.i can go buy forza and claim i played .. doesent really prove anything tbh
3.you sold the game after only reaching lvl 14 shows you probably bought the game because of the hype

and im not one of the ones saying gt5 is perfect .. i havent seen anyone say its a perfect game ..
and i dont think 63 reviewers saying the complete opposite.. i know that out of 63 reviews the average is 84

if reviewers were saying wwhat you are saying gt5 would be at a 20 .. not 80

[zag]

The issues isn't about whether 1 is better than the other it's about what your after.

Some people want a car sim not an arcade racer like froza and need for speed etc and they'll want the PC car sims and GT5 to play on.

They aren't easy to drive and they never will be, the AI or other will will try to block you at every turn and try to make it hard to slip stream etc, they aren't made so you can see what a car will look like when to trash it into a wall at 250kph, they are made so you can practise your track/driving skills properly, think of these as the flight simulators of car games.

if you want to easy to drive piss about car games that are around purely of a time waste or fun then get everything else on the shelf.

[creeping judas]

1 Forza on the OG Xbox + 2 Forza's on the 360 does not equal 3 Forza games this generation. Forza 4 will be the 3rd this generation.How many GT5's appeared on the PS2?

That being said, I hope I finish off GT5 before Forza4 drops as I love this genre of gaming the most!!

[oldjadedgamer]

Ummm... zero GT5s appeared on the PS2.

Just sayin.

[King-Leonidas]

aaaaahahahaahaha just shot yourself in the foot!

[creeping judas]

Nice one, was meant to be GT's

[RedRedSuitSDF]

Everyone already knows that Forza 3 is already better than GT 5.

[Kon_Artist]

hahahahahahahha

bro pleassss more jokes

[sporteous121212]

@ miDnIghtEr20C

...your post is bland

[PlayStation X]

Didnt anyone learn from the previous forza's? all turn 10 do is lie and overhype there game and your left in disapointment when its released.

[State of Matter]

OK wait, your kidding right, your being sarcastic I get it... right?

What you just described is the very definition of GT5, hype the game for 5 years with bullshots, then when it releases its full of last gen flaws and stupid mistakes, leaving everyone hugely disappointed. No cockpit views on 80% of the cars LMAO!!! Its 2010 for crying out loud!!! every time I think about that I laugh, then I cry :(

[Kon_Artist]

compare the cockpits from forza 3 to cockpits in gt5.

[anti-gamer]

@ State
lol are your brin cell are ok.

the one how was hyping they game by a fack bullshot and call it this is in game shot was turn 10.

furza 3 have many last gen flaws and bugs.

PD didnt hype the game.

I laugh at some idiot say gt5 is disappoined becaus it was hype and forget how forza3 was hyped more than gt5.

and by the why if you played gt5 you well know photo wast bullshot.

[State of Matter]

Well this isn't exactly ground breaking, GT5 is not very hard to beat, most of its cars are from PS2, and 80% of them dont even have cockpit view, GT5 is a PS2 game in HD.

They should have compared it to NFS Hot pursuit of sumpthin.

[Kishin]

awiseman

fuck off, kthx.

[scar20]

Is it me or is it starting to get hot in here?

[MaximusPrime]

guys read it.

its hilarious.

[SonyNGP]

I just noticed the IV in the logo. lol.

[rrw]

and by the time Forza released Gt5 already fixed the problem and make it way better.

i wonder if polyphony decide to make GT6 to be released as same date as forza 5 which mean 3 years of development plan for GT6

[redwolf]

and GT6 hype will be on the horizon

[KotC]

Why should they need to fix GT5 when it took 5 years to make?

Grasping at straws

[Black-Helghast]

Have you played GT5? Have you seen those details in the game? Dude theres 1000 cars. The graphics. The content. If you think you can do a better game than GT5, be my guest and do one.

[Pixel_Enemy]

I like how you summed up your own comment

"Grasping at straws"

[dragon82]

They didn't need to fix anything. The game was near perfect to begin with. The problem is that most "gamers" this generation can't handle a game that requires a little skill to be good at.

[Dee_91]

damn they was working on ps3 game before ps3 was out ?
thats incredible

[nefertis]

BULLSHIT!!!

[R_aVe_N]

My question is does it really need to? Who cares what system you play just play the dang games you want and hush. It does not matter what side you ask each will say their game is better. It is only natural.

[GodofSackboy]

WTF is this shit? "Microsoft's Kinect has already proven to be a more interactive way to play video games than Playstation's Move" no it bloody well hasn't! It's reminded us why controller free gaming can never work - because there is NO interactivity. There is no feedback, and that kills it. Move is far more immersive, ie firing a gun actually feels like firing a gun (not completely literally >_> ) whereas Kinect is just pew pew pew. Fanboy site.

Also the reviewers seem to have absolutely hated GT5, but it seems that people that own the game love it. Me included. I have never seen so much post-release support for a game as Gran Turismo 5. Yesterdays patch added a ton of fun stuff and I'm totally addicted to it.

[drewboy704]

Battlefield Bad Company 2. 7 free map packs and lovin it

[Mmmkay]

i think you meant new game modes on already existing maps that are already on the disc.....
vietnam ftw!

[drewboy704]

I know not what I mean, and I mean not what I know.

Like right there I have no clue what I said

[Godmars290]

Wasn't Forza 3 suppose to do that? And what happens when GT6 is rolled out?

@sp1deynut:
Which is why Turn 10 kept comparing it to GT4 and GT5P with everyone else was saying they were coming up short?

Know I I'm just tired of hearing Turn 10 declaring themselves the winner when they themselves have yet to show anything.

[sp1deynut]

...when one of the opponents is a yearly no-show.

And what happens when GT6 is rolled out? I don't know...in what decade will that occur exactly?

[dragon82]

When did they make the rule that you had to release a game every year??

I am glad GT games don't come out every year. Have you seen how much content they pack into a game. There is no way you would ever finish it before the next game came out.

[Redempteur]

"And what happens when GT6 is rolled out? I don't know...in what decade will that occur exactly? "

Silly guy if you're talking decade , you realise that in this last decade , PD released :
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec 2001
Gran Turismo 4 2005
Gran Turismo (PSP) 2009
Gran Turismo 5 2010

4 games in a decade !! ( damn it they actually take their time to produce good games !! )

schoking i know

Gran Turismo Concept: 2001 Tokyo
Gran Turismo Concept: 2002 Tokyo-Seoul
Gran Turismo Concept: 2002 Tokyo-Geneva
Gran Turismo 4 Prologue 2003/2004
Gran Turismo 4 Online (test version) 2006
Gran Turismo HD 2006
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue

these are the release they did to gave some of their fans something to do ..

As you see Polyphony digital is a very slow devellopper that don't provide "that" many games in a decade /s

[ChristianGamer]

It did as far as quality is involved. Besides, even if it hadn't, gt5 wasn't out yet in 2009 when the definitive and highest rated racing game this gen was released

[dragon82]

Good job stealing my avatar. :P

[Raoh]

Tell em how you feel Desi Arnas

http://tinypic.com/r/e3tzc/...

[soundslike]

mark my words: The games not going to be out until 2012, despite what they said.

If you are trying to talk about a game that doesn't even exist as far as the amount of gameplay you've seen, then you are just being used as a marketing tool. Wait for the gameplay, then get pumped and make articles like this. At least then they will have SOME sort of grounds.

[ChristianGamer]

Delayed til 2012? No I think you're confusing Turn 10 with a SONY 1st party studio. Microsoft's 1st party games never get delayed into the next year. They never have 5 year waits either.
@below, rewind button? You mean for the replays? Yeah your perfect game shipped without it. So if you missed a cool frame in your video, you gotta watch it from the start. How do you not include rewind and fast forward on video replay? Or is that something you unlock at level 40?

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

What about Alan Wake? and what about those 360 exclusives that have been in development for years but have never been announced?

[soundslike]

my "perfect game" ? lol

if I still had an xbox I'd play forza too but I don't anymore. I just like racing games, period.

Don't assume so much. I wasn't even talking about quality of either game, despite not mentioning two games in my post. I was referring to cheap marketing ploys that shouldn't affect how you spend your money. My only point is that people are making MASSIVE assumptions off of a trailer they threw together in a couple of hours and some tweets.

[Nathaniel_Drake]

Oh yeah don't forget Too Human, Sony really dropped the ball...wait wasn't that a MS exclusive.

Also the problem with your comment is that MS has a low amount of first party studios. Which then if a delay is to happen then you are really up a sh** creak without a paddle. For Sony having that many studios helps in enduring delays for certain games.

Unless you own a PS3 you really don't know how much quality is put into each game. Even with the GT5 delay, it's the best racing sim out there. LBP 2 got delayed, people complained but because of the quality already shown we endure

MS delayed the showing of Gears of War 3 from VGA's. What happened to 360 only owners, huge uproar why, because of the scarcity of exclusive games.

Stop trolling and take that some where else

[n4gisatroll]

@ christiangamer

I know epic isn't 1st party but gears 3 got delayed to a following year. So ya games get delayed, it shouldn't be a huge thing to complain about why one game isn't good to you, just because of a delay.

[Pyscho_Mantis]

Mocrosoft has 1st party studios that still produce games?

[Arnagrim]

I'm glad there's competition now, PD and Turn 10 are both going to be making better games now because of it.
I mean, if not for Forza 3 and what it brought to the table as far as racing "sims" (this has been argued to death, not going to start here) then GT5 would have got much higher ratings. I'm sure PD are going to be working twice as hard now on the next game or even on the new content that has been coming out with patches.
At the same time Turn 10 also gets to see what they should improve by looking at Gran Turismo 5, I mean, Forza 4's feature list they showed was essentially everything that Gran Turismo 5 had brought out.
I've been playing GT5 constantly since its release, and although it's not the Messiah of Racing Games people hyped it up to be, it's a damn great game.

[sofocado]

I hope Sim-Bin is making Race Pro 2

[GamerSciz]

Ok lets look at the reasoning behind why they say Forza 4 will be better then GT5.

1. Graphics: They really think that model shown of Forza4 is in-game, let alone in-engine? They are sadly mistaken.

2. Kinect Support: Yep let me turn my imaginary wheel and press my invisible pedals. I hope I press the brake and not the gas. 90% or more of Forza 4 owners will not use kinect to play it.

3. Top Gear: Standard in GT5, even a STIG event in GT5. Yes there might be content in Forza 4 but exclusive content that would make you want to buy it and leave GT5 in the dust? No...

4. Time to correct errors: Yes this can't be argued. However to say time to fix GT5's mistakes is uncalled for and unnecessary. Biggest gripe people have with GT5 is standard vs premium (which is big but not game breaking) and the damage model which honestly isn't great but it's the mechanical damage that matters.

Other than that GT5 doesn't have many mistakes, especially not ones that Forza is going to "fix". This article is ridiculous and just plain flamebait. It's amazing how shit like this even gets approved...

[CharlesDCI]

The only way Forza 4 could do what the author claims is if it somehow got the millions of GT fans to stop playing the game completely and purchase a 360 and Kinect.

Is that going to happen?? No its not. From what I am seeing, people are barely playing Forza 3 to begin with.

[Klepto]

The forza series has a bad habit of swapping the LOD in their car models on the fly. That model is not what you will see in a race.

[GamingIsLife]

GT5 is Huge. While Forza 4 may over take GT5 I'm Sure GT6 will regain the lead once again as us gamers have seen with the latest installment (GT5)

[outwar6010]

EVERY racing game has disappointed me this gen for some reason. The only good racing games that I have enjoyed were need for speed underground and need for speed most wanted

[punisher99]

Judging from those two games. Sounds to me like you dont like actually driving real cars and doing so with real life performance.

[Crystallis]

Sounds like your preference is arcade style game play rather then a real driving simulator game play.

[outwar6010]

no i do like them its ust the lack of any real aesthetic car customization like vinyls, neon lights etc(to any 360 fanboys i KNOW forza failed on this too so get lost cos i played it) i loved how you could drop insane amounts on performance of any car in gt5 but what i didn't like was the fact that the graphics were inconsistent some tracks looked amazing while others looked low res and how hard it is to drift around the corner. Seriously isn't racing about speed

[Vesemir]

Unless someone brainwash all the GT exclusive fans and convince them to move to Forza that won't happen.
I wouldn't trade GT series for Forza, not in a million years.

[BlackTar187]

me either.

Why is everyone sold out of the wheel. The game is fun but will be great once i get myself one of them there whelly thingys

[Vesemir]

It only does videogame wheels go out of stock.

[theonlylolking]

Guess we will see Forza 4 with 4 discs :|

[blackburn5]

By the time Forza 4 comes out late next year no one but fanboys will care. Everyone who wanted GT5 would have brought it and all it's problems will be fixed with patches. Several of Sony's games would have raised the bar again for game play and graphics and they will have already started on GT6. So in short, it's not going to matter. While fanboys go on about a year old GT5 being beaten by Forza 4 we will be busy playing more games that your systems has to 'beat'. Sorry. @ TheDynamo if Poly doesn't listen to their fanbase how do you explain the recent patch that fixes many complaints fans made e.g. removing the HUD? Think before you write.

[James Vanderbeek]

I can already bet you 20 million dollars the media will praise forza 4 for its glory. and says its the new racing sim. i hav played past forza and i can tell you it doesnt hold anything to gt5 or past gt games. the online is a little better than gt5 but they are updating that and u can do more customization in forza but gt5 is updating that too. but racing wise gt owns all forza games. and gt5 is packed with so much stuuf your head will explode.

its funny how these things pan out. check out this time line below.

gt5 finally getting a release date.. media doing all these positive previews of the game.. MS hmmm we dont like this. game comes out. reviews start. media bashes the game as mush as they can but tries to down play it. MS hey were releasing forza 4!!!!

[ocnkng]

Excellent analysis bro. I actually totally agree. Its a simple fact that all these corporate controlled websites can be bought over easily by M$ given the sort of cash that they have. And lets face the truth, 90% of the reviews that bitc**ed about GT5 was pure nitpicking. 'Badly rendered bushes and trees', 'Windscreens don't scratch when damaged', 'Confusing UI' They even talked about the B-Spec mode and the course maker like it hurt the game when they were actually additional content. The fact is GT5 has content of at least 200 hours and to think that IGN gave expansion pack Halo:ODST a 90+ score in spite of having a 5 hour campaign and old Halo 3 maps...Hello I mean are you serious?? The media circus that we saw with GT5 really opened my eyes.

[baodeus]

so technically u mean forza can't even compete against GT1 back in PS1/ps2 consoles? Really? C'mon man, that taking a bit far don't u think.

This shitz is stupid. Both game are great so buy which ever for the console that you owned. If you own both, buy both. I don't see why not if you like racing games. Each has their own offerings.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

After playing GT5 for 3+ weeks I personally think GT5 has failed to deliver. Yamauchi messed up on so many things that it makes me wonder if this game was truly in development for 5 years or 3 years.

The graphics are an inconsistent mess and the UI is just awful, if GT5's achieved anything then it's achieved in making me loose my interest in the Gran Turismo franchise.

I don't really like Forza but I'm looking forward to see where it's heading.

[ocnkng]

'The graphics are an inconsistent mess' stopped reading right there.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Do you have eyes? does the game not have premium and standard cars? don't the environments look like that fo a PS2 game?

Dirt 3's environments look better, GT5's a mixed bag of good and ugly graphics, that's what hence why I said INCONSISTENT.

You most likely don't have the game you fanboy.

[dragon82]

Look, I respect your opinion but I have to disagree. I have no problems with the graphics of GT5. They are better than most of the so called AAA games this generation. People need to get over the fact that the game took forever to release and stop nitpicking it to death. Either you like the game or you don't. Real GT fans love it and at the end of the day thats all that matters.

[Perkel]

@ ULTIMATE_REVENGE

You don't have eyes either.

[Japes]

Forza will NEVER equal GT5 for 1 reason....SPACE. The space provided by blu ray allowed PD to fill the disk to capacity. That includes real time weather, 50,000 polygon cars (premium) times 16 cars in one reace all running close to 60FPS at native 1080p calculated damage collision and mechanical damage, eye toy real time headtracking, engine tire and car-wear, all in one race. Not counting all the content on the disk. The processor alone on the 360 can't do that and it would take 5 to 6 dvd's to equal the space. As for graphics, the more detail, the less content, thats why some things in Gt dont look as good as others, there is so much processor stuff going on in one race that they probably cut look in order for the game to be as great as it is. I personally don't care how a tree looks while I'm doing 110 MPH past it. Sorry Forza fans, compared to Gt5 it's simple numbers, numbers Forza will never have. You can't argue with the numbers.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

All I can say is, that space wasn't used well at all.

[HungryGoku]

Dude your a 360 fanboy being bias is your job no matter what they did wouldn't make you happy.

Let's see you make a game oh wait you cant cause you probaly work at a bakery give away your Gt5 copy if you don't like it problem solved.

[n4gisatroll]

@ ultimate_revenge

Your really crazy to think that gt5 is a waste of space. It's seriously my fab racer right now. I played forza 3 for awhile and the games physics just aren't up to par. It's decent for what it is but you really can't compare the two games. Just because turn 10 tells you their better then PD doesn't mean its true.

[baodeus]

dude, get your fact straight.

1. GT5 It is not 1080p native and lack AA.
2. How much space does GT5 actually take up -> that how much DVD u would need so is GT5 50gig? I don't think so.
3. Why are u touting mechanical damage and such when other games have it as well and probably better.

People on here don't really think do they. c'mon if you want to argue, at least, get your fact straight.

Although the general review is that Forza has been higher than GT. Who cares about the rating if you prefer GT5. But in general that what it is. I don't see fanboy complaining when Sony getting high rated games (UC2)? WTF is this one sided thinking on n4g?

[Dr-Zoidberg]

This one sided thinking is fanboyism and it runs deep through N4G veins. A lot of you are a joke!

Oh merry Christmas btw :p

[xtremegamerage]

I don't really see what needs fixing on GT5.

It's a sim.

You have to drive around the track as you would really.

I've tested many cars and have a good wheel for it.

The seasonal event atm which the lap time is 36secs, is hard. You have to get it all correct. I'm at 39secs. But will try to better that.

GT5 and Forza3 are different games to suit different people

[n4gisatroll]

I fully agree!!!

[jonse]

Forza has been rated higher than every GT game since it entered the market back in 2005, no reason why Forza 4 will not continue the trend.

GT4 89, GT5 Prologue 80, GT PSP 74, GT5 84

Forza 1 92, Forza 2 90, Forza 3 92

(It's so funny seeing all the disagrees from the simpletons that can't stand to see the facts, or maybe just don't understand numbers.)

[Lirky]

I think with Forza Motorsports Customization options from decals/colors etc. i think thats why it trumpted gt franchise.

But i like and prefer gt's car mechanic tweaking.

[Haro]

@ jonse ~ Funny how you leave out all the other GT scores out of your "equation". Forza is not a sim for 4 clear & undeniable reasons ~

1) Always on assist ~ http://www.youtube.com/watc...
2) Inaccurate driving physics
3) Inaccurate tracks
4) REWIND

[jonse]

Did you not read my comment? These were GT scores since Forza entered the market. GT1,2 and 3 were indeed great for their day but there was no other equivalent game on the market at that time.

Your other arguments are pretty lame general assumptions, inaccurate tracks, physics? whatever you say. Here's some inaccuracy - terrible damage, AI, 80% of cars non premium taken from PS2.

[Haro]

It's fact what I have said about Forza. It seems you are the one who has reading comprehension issues because for some odd reason you cannot understand my point. I wonder why? They are truthful and factual but you don't want to see it that way because of a blind ignorance for whatever reason.

The real Nurb Karussell
http://img713.imageshack.us...

And Forza's "version" of reality
http://img46.imageshack.us/...

That cannot be denied as I said in my original post but again for some weird reason you just don't get it. Additionally the always on assist shows/proves it's inaccurate driving physics. Do I need to say it again how this cannot be denied? But yet we all know you will try to do so in some crazy way without any supportive proof...just your "words" and they don't mean $#@! because you have no proof unlike myself and others.

Actually this is futile so I will just end it with this ~ the FACT is what I have said is PROVEN, no matter what you tend to "believe" & say.

[GigaGaia]

In the screenshots, GT5 looks better then Forza 4.

[PRHB HYBRiiD]

graphics aint everything.

[GigaGaia]

It's not just the graphics, GT5 still beats Forza 4 in every way.

[VictoriousB13]

Forza 4 isn't even out yet you ignorant fanboy.

[turgore]

thats why it got inferior scores everywhere !

[Sikct9a]

GT5 took a hit from keeping it pro. Its a shame because they were able to deliver more and yet they graded it down.

[Lirky]

I like when gr8 games get 10/10 by the gamers since WE gamers PLAY VIDEOGAMES.

Gaming Journalism : Rates/Critics/Get paid to do this They can say any thing It's irrelevant.

What matters: Gamers who Purchase the Games and Give their own realistic take without getting paid thats what matters in Gaming Today in this Era of next-gen for all 3 systems.

[swishersweets20031]

i got a ps3 but one of my best buds owns a xbox.. i played forza 3 and then i played gt5.. and gt5 is a p.o.s. so to me its a given forza 4 will blow gt5 away.

[offdawall]

hmm GT5 sold over 4 million under a month ... fotza 3 sold 3 million life to date ,,, uhh need i say more ? check vg and see

[wu-stix]

Didn't GT5: Prologue outsell forza 3 also?

[swishersweets20031]

what does outselling it have to do with anything.. just mean more people are suckers with cash.

[Dark-Cloud4]

if you are a real driving fan you wouldn't enter this because you would have know that these articals will never finish and they will never stop bashing gt5 , so iff you guys saw a stupid artical like this one don't even get in !! it's an advice for you.....
if you love gt5 dont get in these articals because you lready know that gt5 beats all racing cars even the ones that still ont out yet ... now reviews and scores isn't good , they always overrated and underrated games , they give a good score of what they like not a from facts and they play the game less then 24 hours because hey think they are too good to finish the game like if they know everything in the game , last artical for me and i get in to advice you , it's useless talking to fanboys even if you give them a good video that proves that they are wrong ,they will always bash the game ...

[The_Ultimate_Guy]

LOL "Could" take it over?

Forza is the NEW and IMPROVED GT.

Thanks for paving the road PD. Now watch Turn 10 show you have to make a near perfect racing sim for EVERYONE.

[Tuxedo_Mask]

For everyone? Does that mean Forza 4 is coming to the Wii and PS3 too?

[The_Ultimate_Guy]

Thats a pretty dumb question. The game is available for everyone to play. You just need the right hardware. It's still available to you. You make it sound like there is a restriction of who can purchase a 360 or not.

[JJFNIGHTS80]

Come on guys please. Don't even think it's better than Grand Turismo and please ALWAYS WAIT till the game is out just don't get every body so pump up excited about it just because they announce number 4.

[n4gisatroll]

It's Gran Turismo...I hate when people say or spell it Grand Turismo.

[JJFNIGHTS80]

Hey grzajabarkus I type too fast sometimes. SO this is the first time I misspelled.

[Whiskeyjacked]

i thought forza 3 was suppose to be better then gt5? guess not.

[Hozi89]

People actually have the ignorance and balls to say this? Let the game speak for itself when it releases.

GT5 FTW!!!

[BABY-JEDI]

Technically speaking, you could argue any car game could surpass GT. Mario Kart, Crash Bandicoot racing ect.. But you know the reality is something very different. Also just to add. We all know Hong Kong Phoey is the No.1 super guy..

[nefertis]

gt5 is addicting game, PD i want more cars too look at gt5 has become crack too me.

[level 360]

One major thing Turn10 needs to do is make G25/27 wheel compatible with Forza4!!

[wu-stix]

And if they are going to surpass GT5 then they need at least 16 player online.

[Revvin]

Ridiculous article. I'll buy Forza 4, I enjoyed each of the other three games in the franchise and I think it will be a great game but the article is ridiculous.

1. They are looking at one render not from actual game footage to make a point about graphics. We all know from past experience that screenshots released by Turn 10 did not live up to actual in game footage because they neglected to tell anyone the screenshots they released were from the in game tool which adds a load of post process polish to the graphics.

2. Kinect is not good enough for serious driving games that require quick precise actions. I have the Kinect set up at home and while Joy Ride is fun I can see Kinect will not be good enough for Forza. For games like Forza and GT5 the best control method is a steerign wheel or joypad. The best the Kinect can do for Forza is allow head tracking as GT5 has already done with the PS3 camera.

3. US Top Gear? ask anyone around the world which track they want to drive and it will be the world famous UK Top Gear test track that is in GT5. Turn 10 needs content from the UK Top Gear, the one that made the name famous, the Clarkson powered Top Gear not the wannabe cousin from across the pond.

4. Correct errors? they don't even listen to their community now else they would have fixed so many things already. Turn 10 is great at churning out DLC but not so good when actually adding features the community wants to see.

I'd like to see them make Forza 4 the last for the 360 and concentrate on a Forza version ready for the launch of Microsoft's next console. Give themselves plenty of time to have it there at launch and in great shape. Have a blow out with Forza 4, max out the 360. Bring back the old lobby system that was more flexible, up the player limit to 16 online - 8 is not enough. Use the good stuff you've done before like the car painting system etc. Give us more options for online play, a more involved career that felt more than just a sterile grind through levels. Come on Turn 10 less smack talk about the competition and get your own stuff right.

[Daz]

I think alot of games need to be fixed ;p

[Lirky]

You've Been Disconnected From The Server.

i keep getting this with gt5 online , but then again i dont like online-games in general but i always give them a try.

[turgore]

Forza better implement weather and night races !

[turgore]

they delivered more by just upscaling PS2 content !

[josephayal]

this FANBOY article make me laugh for 3 minutes

[btk]

MS can take Mario Kart and slap the Forza label on it and the media will claim it is better than GT5.

GT5 is the best, articles claiming that Forza 4 will be better just acknowledges the fact that Metacritic does not - that Forza3 is not as good as GT5. Even a fanboy like the one who wrote the article acknowledges this by writing this "article".

[tudors]

I would put money on Forza 4 being better, from the small clip that I have seen it already looks better, and that's the kinect clip not the trailer.

[caf0011]

WOW talk about Sony central here. Look, to be objectively fair I was born n bred on the GT series (specifically 1-3). I am, however, a Forza convert. GT has rested on its laurels way too much over the years. Forza has been to say the least . . . progressive. GT5 does still feel stale since GT3. I've seen everything bashing Forza but lets keep it real and mature.
1. I've heard that the dash in Forza 3 cars don't work. Thats true for about 5% of the cars.
2. Its not a true simulator because it has a rewind function. Ummm, so do the military simulators (Airforce, Navy, Army), so do major airlines (Delta, Airtran etc. simulators for their pilot training) and F1 simulators so I guess those arent true simulators either. The rewind is actually a great tool to perfect a turn or section of the track, instead of going completely around again. And let me pose a GT5 question here. Leveling up to "win" damage is not arcade? Or having minimal to no damage to begin with? just a question.
3. Permanent assist - This one stumps me. I play with the fanatec wheel, so if there are permanent assists (steering) it must be with the pad which if it's true, I would know nothing about. EVERYTHING CAN BE TURNED OFF. depends on the individual racer.
4. GT5 has sold X number of millions than FORZA 3 has in its lifetime. lmao. So has Ford over Porsche. GT5 has history on its side. All that is doing is reassuring Sony that it's ok to rush a deadline and put out an incomplete product (the masses are asses theory) If we make it they will buy it. This rears its ugly head esp with GT5. They simply put out an incomplete product. That really can't be defended.
5. I am a fan of true racing (exception Nascar). I own a 03 acura rsx-s, a 09 370z and a 09 600rr. If I have access to a race IRL I'm there. GT5 is a simulator, the only problem I see with it is that it's packaged wrong. WTF were they doing for 6 years when Turn 10 pumps out quality every 2. Forza 3 is also a simulator that is polished. Not perfect, but polished. I've played GT5 but havent pulled the trigger on it for some reason.
6. Physics - very subjective. to me both are accurate. And if you haven't played both with the best wheel(s) available (Fanatec for Forza 3 and Fanatec or G25 for GT5), with all assists off (save abs)then no one is in a CREDIBLE position to say one is better than the other. A controller or "pad" feel for physics doesn't cut it.
7. Graphics - Visually speaking Forza 3 is 90% of GT5's premium cars. The thing is, ALL of Forza's cars are 90% of GT5's premium. not 80% garbage and 20% great detail (premiums). Again, its the complete package here. Form and function my friends form and function.
8. Bottom line: Race what you love. I can appreciate the GT5 passion, I once had it for the GT series. The game that wins isn't always the one that makes the most money (with that thought process Ford will always be infinitely better than Porsche) It's the one that pays fine attention to the details, the polishing of everything, the complete experience. I too am having fun shaving 0.327 seconds off my time in Forza but its not a boring chore to do so. Just humbly remember there's an inherent weakness in bashing something in order to make something else look good. It should be strong enough to stand on its own. JUST MY OPINION.

[Dr-Zoidberg]

Well written indeed and interesting to get your insights. TBH I don't have an Xbox and won't buy one as I quite happily own a PS3. I don't have the time for 2 consoles.

So what are my sim options...hmm GT5. While GT doesn't progress that much although you have to admit the inclusion of weather, 24hr day cycle is quite a step forwards. Though I would have loved to have seen more detailed features for cars, i.e tire pressure etc.

Overall GT5 is quite a nice package with a nice variety of features, though it misses some like gear ratios and brake discs....where that went I will never know.

What GT5 nails IN MY OPINION is the driving experience. I do agree with IGN's summary it is a 10/10 simulator trapped in a 8/10 game. Though there again any one who plays rfactor or iracing would laugh at GT and Forza as they are pitfull in comparison. Though I admire PD for their effort

It will be interesting to see what happens with these updates, I mean 1.05 improved a lot of things. I still believe that had Sony not pushed them to get it out the door it still would be in development because there have been a ton of patches in just over a month.

I don't know if it was an oversight of certain aspects, poor direction, lack of time, endless pursuit for perfection or what but something is a little fishy and I ain't talking about the tuna in my fridge. My guess would be PD just had ideas above their station and not enough time to do it.

[caf0011]

I agree. GT5's weather inclusion and day/night immersion and the way it's implemented is nothing short of phenomenal.

[bobdog626]

cool now can we all just get along now

[mjcrow33]

GT5 is good I guess but what's with the crappy reward cars? Jay Leno's tank car? A 10,000 lb paper weight. thanks.In my mind FM is already better.Seems like I have more fun with that series.There's just something about putting a nascar engine in an Iroc.