How Will Next Gen Ports Be Handled?

Before much was known of the Xbox 360, the Wii and the PS3, it was generally assumed that porting across the three platforms would be much easier than on previous consoles because they would most likely be pretty similar in terms of features and performance. How times have changed.

Last generation it was still relatively easy to handle multi platform ports with all three consoles having roughly the same basic capabilities at least in terms of features, with only the Xbox's "Live" online networking system really separating it from the Gamecube and PS2. Developers generally aimed for the lowest common denominator (the PS2) and worked from there, this time things look to be a little different.

[MONOLITHICIDE]

I just cant wait for GTA and PS3

[Marriot VP]

I just cant wait for GTA and 360

[Jay da 2KBalla]

me neither

[ps3willrule]

it doesn't even seem that way every one of those games is the exact same with features and everything

[ps3willrule]

i mean for ps2 and x-box hopefully that changes

[GrimFang4]

I just cant wait for SSB and Wii

I have the feeling that companies like EA will do the same "lowest common denominator" approach even though the article says this won't happen. EA is not very heavy on the graphics and effects, so why wouldn't they say "This is good enough" and start with the Wii then port to the others? I mean, if you look at games like Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and such from EA, these are not the best graphics that Xbox, PS2, and GC can do. Why expect everyone to use the full power of the new systems when they haven't tapped out the current systems? This is especially true when they want to make money.

[ps3willrule]

actually i know ps3 lord sounds like a fan boy but its true MS is already compressing games oblivion got cut short....jus wait till second gen games..can only get worse.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

ps3 will rule and ps3 lord is the same person. So hey asshole you aint slick. Also doesnt matter if oblivion is being compressed.Procedural synthesis which is a compression technique that microsoft invented is used in Oblivion and not only does it compress games but it makes graphics better which is why oblivions trees look so realistic.

[PS360PCROCKS]

not tru tru, oblivion is a boring game anyways

[PS360PCROCKS]

well atleast to me it is.

[GrimFang4]

Are they really reaching the limit of the disks? Is that what you're saying? I don't think I've seen any evidence to that. The new format seems sorta unnecessary right now.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

It depends on ho much content. Oblivion has alot of content which is why it got compressed with procedural synthesis but procedural synthesis helps the quality of games which again is why oblivions trees look so realistic.

[ps3willrule]

look it up on google microsoft compressing games u'll see but ur a fanboy so what ever..

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Oblivion is the only game that got compresed ass.

[Lucidmantra]

I also remember an article that says 50 GB will not be needed until not ps3 but ps4 because of the rate at which game sizes rise. Ill get you a link if you cant google for that article since you like to google.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Exactly. Good post

[GrimFang4]

Well I'll check it out, but I don't see how anything I've said indicates me as being a fanboy. I also don't see why that is such a commonly occuring insult(?) around here.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

ps3willrule is just an asshole. Pay him no attention.

[PS360PCROCKS]

yeah they compress it, but only to keep it on one disk, it doesn't in anyway harm the game, so wheres the merit? stop trying to get yourself an advantage because u have a BR drive

[Jay da 2KBalla]

a slow ass blu-ray drive at that and THE ONLY GAME that got compressed was oblivion but 360rocks said it doesnt harm the quality of the game soooooooooo stop sayin bs ps3willrule.

[ps3willrule]

u guyz r idiots!! u don't think that hurts quality...hmmmmm compression in a game wtf do u think that means they cut out story content no....they cut out the AI and Physics and yes maybe they'll b a little more jaggies...y u ask..because the dvd can only hold so much information graphics doesn't take that much information beleive it or not physics and AI do and that is what u call gameply folks i am speaking the truth seriosly. it depends they said they compressed it but in reality its either the AI or physics and it may not seem much cause it turned out good but it could have been alot better if say yes it were on a blu ray because then they could fit all the AI code and information on to it. u'll see in the next year or so... wait till gta lol

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Over the course of its life, the size of the average Xbox title increased by 77%. If the Xbox 360 size increases at the same rate we can expect the average Xbox 360 title in 4 or 5 years to be around 7.40 gigs, and to occupy about 87% of the disc's capacity.

Additionally, you'd find that size is not an indicator of quality, either in graphical quality or storyline. No one would accuse Doom 3 of being worse looking than Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, but it's almost 3 gigabytes smaller (Terminator 3: 5.67 gigs; Doom 3: 2.957 gigs). Half-life 2, for example, is only 2 gigabytes.

Large games may simply be the result of poorly optimized programming, not an indication that they couldn't be smaller if they had to be, and still deliver the same experience.

SO STFU

[Jay da 2KBalla]

• XNA:

XNA is a development tool that Microsoft introduced in 2004. XNA helps developers build games more quickly and more efficiently. XNA represents a refinement of everything that has been learned developing for the Xbox, which has an architecture that is very similar to the Xbox 360. As a new development tool, it represents a change in the way that game developers might program, and how it impacts on filesize is an unknown factor.
• Procedural Synthesis:

Procedural synthesis is has a great deal of potential to effect the Xbox 360's filesizes. In short, procedural synthesis is a way of producing graphics that Microsoft has pushed heavily with the introduction of the Xbox 360, including specific hardware functions designed to do handle procedural synthesis. It uses algorithms to produce high quality graphics out of extremely small files. For the best example of what procedural synthesis can do, check out .kkrieger, which means Warrior in German. This first person shooter is built almost entirely from procedural graphics, and as a consequence occupies about 96 Kilobytes of space. Yes, the game responsible for this screenshot here, here, and here could fit almost 14 copies on an old-fashioned 1.4 megabyte floppy disk.

You can download a beta version of this game from the developer's website here, but be warned that it's fairly buggy, and meant more as a technology demonstration than anything else.

Procedural synthesis is the reason that Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion has such brilliant forests. Oblivion makes use of a technology called SpeedTree, a middleware product for procedurally generating forests and foliage. You can see other examples of their software in screenshots here, here, and here.

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[GrimFang4]

I don't see any reference to Oblivion losing anything from its compression, just as the word "compression" implies. Here's a good article if you can handle anyone saying good things about the 360: http://www.gamesfirst.com/?...

In short, I could write a game that takes up multiple Blue-Ray disks. Professional game devs are supposedly better than me at writing games. They won't waste their space like me, especially if Microsoft is giving them tools that save the space for them.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

see 15.1 and 15.2

[ps3willrule]

what tools the only tools there given them is a dvd 9 drive and even if they layer the fuk outta that dvd 9 will run slower if layered ur arguments are useless u guyz are all ignornant to facts...like a post which shows ps2 outselling 360... i bet a wall could be white and u people would argue the wall is black.

[GrimFang4]

XNA and Procedural Synthesis. They're development tools. If you know anything about game dev, you'll know that the DVD drive or any storage medium is not a development tool.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

see 15.1 and 15.2

[Optimus Prime]

why are you here, get to your own site. i forgot, there is no info on the delaystation. everyone complains over there that 360 fans are on their site, look at your fools here. you guys are so into the 360, just BUY ONE!

[PS3 Owns All]

Hey Everyone check this out. LMFAO! Its a funny song for such sad 360 fan's lives> http://www.youtube.com/watc...
The PS3 will RULE

[PS3Lord]

I love that Vid.. ahhaha soo cool man... Prop to you for posting it... hahaha ahha SOoo true.. that vid. is soo true.. ahhaha look at the sadd pathetic 360 fans... ahahhahha

[TheMART]

Ah yeah if you liked that video watch this one also it rocks!!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[slugg]

Many developers have already stated that due to the high cost of next-gen game development, they will have to make their games on 360 and PS3 both to get any profit. The cool thing for 360 gamers is that since the 360 is already out, and it is easier to develop for, most devs use the 360 as the lead platform, then port assets over to the PS3. MOST DUAL-PLATFORM GAMES WILL LOOK AND PLAY THE SAME. In the article they mention a couple of differences between the two systems that might come into play: PS3's all having hard-drives, blu-ray vs. DVD 9 capacity, and the (limited) motion-sensing capabilities of the PS3. But all three of these differences will be negated by the fact that most multi-platform games will be developed on th3 360 FIRST. For example, Assassin's Creed = PS3 timed exclusive, on 360 eventually, but being developed on 360 dev-kits RIGHT NOW. That is why it was running on one at E3== all art assets will be the same, etc., so moving it to PS3 after the game is feature-complete on 360 is easier than developing on PS3 from the get go. Most game developers don't even have final ps3 dev kits yet, for CRYING OUT LOUD! One last note-- because of this, if the rumors and speculation about PS3 are true, and it ends up being under-powered, delayed, etc., it would be a bad thing FOR ALL GAMERS because direct ports, from 360 to PS3 or vice versa, would be a lot harder, and the platform receiving a port in that situation would probably get a crappier version.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Exactly

[PS3 Owns All]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
make sure u read the posts! LMFAO!

[PS360PCROCKS]

wow it must be a boring life without a good gaming console if that's what you watch to entertain yourselves.

[ps3willrule]

it doesn't matter how professional u r in the end u can only max out a dvd so much until you have to cut some AI or physics...honeslty just watch give it a year or so at least..the hardware for 360 is good inside and a dvd was a really wrong move because all the processors and gizmo's can outperform the dvd jus like the ps3 the only reason they stuck a dvd in there is to get it out first befor anyone now they are going to pay the price....MS is coming out with an hd dvd add on though ....way to screw them over bill spendin more money cause u were to cheap in the beginnin....but anyway there are comming out with one but guess what MS has stated its not for games its for movies....YA FUKIN RITE....they r going o b usin that drive for games WATCH

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Games are barely at the halfway mark and jus because a game comes out later in the life cycle doesnt necessarily mesn more space. As a dev become more familiar with the system they get less sloppy with their code therefore less space on the disc. Only thing blu-ray allows is lesss work for devs so they can be sloppy with there code which is the least sony can do with their difficult ass system. Also micrsoft is arguably the best software maker in the world and I'm sure with methods like procedural synthesis which compresses game data but increases quality of graphics(which is why oblivions forests look so realistic) and as software only gets better DVD9will ve sufficient. Also the Bethesda team will be more familiar with the 360 and their code will take up even less space. sry sony fanboy

[Jay da 2KBalla]

All you do is speculate. HD DVD wont be for games. And microsoft wasnt too cheap to add HD-DVD especially considering microsoft is richest company in the world. Besides MS doesnt force unproven hardware on consumers (HDDVD and Bluray) like sony does. If HD DVD wins you and alot more people like yourself are going to be looking dumb ass hell and I and people like myself will be laughin there asses off.

[GrimFang4]

I don't see the relevance of DVD performance. A Blu-Ray drive will function just as fast as a DVD drive (or a CD-ROM drive for that matter) and no faster unless the discs are reinforced (shattering stinks). So these "gismo's" that you talk about have no dependency on the disk drive.

Microsoft didn't make a choice to stick with DVD. Sony made the choice to go forward and risk with a new format. Until the format war is over, I wouldn't buy either an HDDVD or Blu-Ray drive.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

see 15.1 and 15.2

[ps3willrule]

that how to be the most stupidist comment i've heard in a long time i knew there was people like you somewhere but u've just proved it....LMAO BEST SOFTWARE COMAPNY they know how to compress and there not sloppy WHERE THE FUK IS VISTA THEN SMART ONE....OOOOOOOO thats right it got delayed ya they really know how to work on software tho...rite stfu until u kno what ur talking about.....programmers get sloppy...are u retarded seriously were u dropped as a baby.....more space does not make them sloppy its call compnay standards and expectaions...more content makes a game better not more sloppy....plz jus shoot urself unless u know what ur talkin about...go play ur 360 o wait u have to fell better by coming on here makin he stupidist points i ever heard.

[PS3Lord]

http://www.avland.co.uk/pio...

http://www.avland.co.uk/blu...

http://www.avland.co.uk/blu...

http://www.avland.co.uk/blu...

Ok i'm out for today.. ahha I'll be back tomarrow.. hahah

[Jay da 2KBalla]

see 15.1 and 15.2 dumbass.

[ps3willrule]

hd dvd is losing!!! blu ray has way more support look at any web site!! don't b a retard like most people on this site actually look at information...if u did u'll realize blu ray has all major studios and companys that will build blu rays pretty much all of them....what does hd dvd have there biggest supporter was waner bros. u want to know what ahppened warner bros. is now blu ray and hd dvd....HAHAHA that means all hd dvd companies are going to make blu ray as well....please blu ray is going to win hand down and ps3 is just further proof of y its going to.

[slugg]

is already out. Where is blu-ray? Delayed again, just like the POS3 will be. Betabluray= Sony's demise as a company. HA HA.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

see 15.1 and 15.2 dumbass

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Over the course of its life, the size of the average Xbox title increased by 77%. If the Xbox 360 size increases at the same rate we can expect the average Xbox 360 title in 4 or 5 years to be around 7.40 gigs, and to occupy about 87% of the disc's capacity.

Additionally, you'd find that size is not an indicator of quality, either in graphical quality or storyline. No one would accuse Doom 3 of being worse looking than Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, but it's almost 3 gigabytes smaller (Terminator 3: 5.67 gigs; Doom 3: 2.957 gigs). Half-life 2, for example, is only 2 gigabytes.

Large games may simply be the result of poorly optimized programming, not an indication that they couldn't be smaller if they had to be, and still deliver the same experience.

• XNA:

XNA is a development tool that Microsoft introduced in 2004. XNA helps developers build games more quickly and more efficiently. XNA represents a refinement of everything that has been learned developing for the Xbox, which has an architecture that is very similar to the Xbox 360. As a new development tool, it represents a change in the way that game developers might program, and how it impacts on filesize is an unknown factor.
• Procedural Synthesis:

Procedural synthesis is has a great deal of potential to effect the Xbox 360's filesizes. In short, procedural synthesis is a way of producing graphics that Microsoft has pushed heavily with the introduction of the Xbox 360, including specific hardware functions designed to do handle procedural synthesis. It uses algorithms to produce high quality graphics out of extremely small files. For the best example of what procedural synthesis can do, check out .kkrieger, which means Warrior in German. This first person shooter is built almost entirely from procedural graphics, and as a consequence occupies about 96 Kilobytes of space. Yes, the game responsible for this screenshot here, here, and here could fit almost 14 copies on an old-fashioned 1.4 megabyte floppy disk.

You can download a beta version of this game from the developer's website here, but be warned that it's fairly buggy, and meant more as a technology demonstration than anything else.

Procedural synthesis is the reason that Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion has such brilliant forests. Oblivion makes use of a technology called SpeedTree, a middleware product for procedurally generating forests and foliage. You can see other examples of their software in screenshots here, here, and here.

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PS SERECT aahahhahhhahaah

[PS360PCROCKS]

good post

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Thankyou

[ps3willrule]

thats great and all but ps3 has better technology which makes it better..so have fun with your speed tree tring to compete with PS2 LMFAO while the rest of the 75% gaming market which is sony's goes play the ps3 .

[Jay da 2KBalla]

So in other words you have nothing to say because your ass was just proven wrong and that you are a dumbass you had no idea what you are talking and i made you look like an ass. o ok i got it

[ps3willrule]

they can't even beat a last gen console its pethitic even if they can't spell i think its more pethetic for a biggest company in the world coming out with a new console gettin owned by a old one!

[GrimFang4]

It'd be funny if the PS2 kept outselling the PS3...

[Jay da 2KBalla]

yea ok we will seee who gets outsold dis holiday.

[Qofthedead]

To clear up everything for you, check sonys stock vs microsofts stock. Sonys stock is and has been slowly falling.With the release of the PS3 it will likely drop more.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Interesting................... .... I wonder how much more can it drop.

[Qofthedead]

uh hum...so PS3will rule,Microsoft cant spell? Stop for a brief moment and understand that you my friend also cannot spell... ***pathetic

[Jay da 2KBalla]

also take note of this:

SERECT ahahahhahahahhhahaha

[Schmitty07]

You are ssj04, and we all know it. I hope your IP gets banned from here because all you do is start arguements. YOU SUCK!

[PS360PCROCKS]

that's interesting but it will rise once the system comes out not drop more

[Qofthedead]

I guess it will rise a little bit on release. The problem is that if blu-ray fails and ps3 does poorly, Sonys stock will rapidly decrease.

[ps3willrule]

kinda like MS with xbox and 360 lol

[PS360PCROCKS]

ok?

[Jay da 2KBalla]

naw not like Ms. MS isnt going to go bankrupt if there console fails unlike sony.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Unlike Sony smart one, Microsoft doesn't need the 360 to make their company stay afloat

[ps3willrule]

this is all irrelevent all ur arguments don't even matter 360 is not selling which means developers will have more exclusives for other consoles cause its a waste of money makin a game and no consoles out there....have fun alwayz being behind the ps2 while we play ps3..

[Jay da 2KBalla]

and when will you play ps3? in 2008?

[Lucidmantra]

Yeah I mean why deal with reality. right ps3will rule. Its so boring to sit around and wait for your prized ps3 while others are out there enjoying themselves. It bothers you so much you have to come here and tell us all about it. If your PS2 is so good. Please feel as though we are all inviting you to go play it and when the ps3 comes out and all the smoke clears come back and see what the reality is. I am not saying you are wrong to be excited, hell i love my 360 and I am interested to see if Sony can pull it off. EVERYTHING they promised.

[USMChardcharger]

no 360's out there? what did millions of people go throw theirs away.
man, why didn't someone tell me that everyone is doing that...i still have mine!

[Qofthedead]

hey ps3willrule? ...do you know what else microsoft makes besides xboxes? lmfao

[clayton]

Us xbox 360 don't have to worry, its already been stated numerous times, but the PeeS3 fanboyz don't listen well. They'll find out soon enough when the games look exactly the same no matter what disc dvd or blu-ray. Besides oblivion trees do look awesome and so do the moving weeds and flowers. The 360 is an awesome gaming experience for $400 bucks and I seriously doubt the PS3 could do any better than the 360. I just can't wait till they have to pay premium prices for the same content on blu-ray, who will be laughing then.

[ps3willrule]

ya windows that crahes and vista that gets delayed for ever.. and msn which google own it by the way

[Jay da 2KBalla]

yet microsofts makes more money than anyother company in the world. hmmmmmmm

[Lucidmantra]

hmmm a ps3 guy talking about delays... Please all the PS3 people here who i like realize I am dealing with one isolated idiot... SOme of you I enjoy talking to alot. But obviously this guy isn't playing with the ball fully inflated.

[Qofthedead]

ps3willrule, you wont give up will you... i mean as i said before the stocks speak for themselves...Sony<Microsoft

[Killswitch]

Lets say you said you could beat me in Madden? playing against you on the Xbox 360, or PS3, yeah you might!! (LOL) but play against me on the Wii and see if you can really play, thats branging the realistic to the table of game playing.Your motion, your technic, your quick thinking all in one, it's almost like making love. Now I'm a have to go against 2pac on this one Nintendo is like the sweetiest thing next to gettin' Pucce. I have the 360 i like it alot might go and get me a Playstation 3 but Nintendo have sold me and not just me but Wii....... P.S. Stop all that bamma shyyt just but a system and shut your mouth we all diffrent veiws on the systems but at the end of the day Wii all playing together as one (A; Game)

[Killswitch]

Just buy a system

[TheMART]

Just watch this video it's great because it's about PS3!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[USMChardcharger]

that was a short video for all the material Sony has given over the years. lol

[TheMART]

And I know how games will be ported (the first on topic post up till now I guess :) after 80 or so posts)

Because Sony fans are crying out loud of their BluRay capacity...

Game studios want to bring out on 360 also. Whats more easy. To program smart and get it fit on a DL DVD and then port it to a PS3 or program dull for about 15 GB's and then have to port it to a DL DVD for 360.

I'll bet they go for the first option. Which makes all multiplatform games designed for 360 and then ported to a PS. That would be funny as hell

[USMChardcharger]

i would think that porting from the ps3 to the 360 or vice versa would be hard while they say it will happen.
the cell and the 3 cores are so different.
i know EA has split there guys into teams...a 360 team and a ps3 team.
ign, thinks they know the specs of the Wii and it is just over the old xbox in terms of power. they certianly will get a lot of orginal titles...but like the article says, wii owners sure are going to miss out on a lot of amazing ps3/360 games.
i guess a lot of Wii owners will have a ps3 or 360 as well though.

[Optimus Prime]

GET OUT OF HERE SSJ04, you are a noob. you have nothing, you have been bring up old stuff all the time, everyone is just shutting yyou UP! delaystation will not own the 360, i cant wait, 360 sales will go up with GOW,WoW, HALO 3, Too Human. so dont say ne thing, you have one game to look forward to, and halo3 owns the crap out of MGS4. so go back to your site, wait for the delay station and blue ray. and keep waiting and waiting for your delay station.

[nitty]

u ps3 fan boys are dumb if u think sony can win in the long run over MS gate is going to crush them,the company is going to be apart of MS SOON trust my i know they are running out of time even if ps3 sales or not MS will own and marge the gameing world. its been in the process when MS got in the video game market, thats y gates and poeple how make real money can see the future and invest in it. 5 year nintendo sony all going to work together under MS this was the logicial move for MS when the goverment tryed to break up MS to stop the mop

[shoota33]

keep dreaming buddy. sony has 75% of the gameming market and you think this is all going to disappear, wake up and face reality. all the xbox 1.5 fanboys got their true love at launch now it does not sell anymore. NO ONE WANTS IT.everyone is waiting for Wii and ps3. AND HALO 3 FANBOY OR #45 No game will save the 360 if people wanted dreamcast 360 they would have had one already.ps3 will destroy xbox 1.5 in performance and sales and you will soon find this out starting in november.so go play your soon to be forgotten xbox pianted white

[TheMART]

Netscape owned 75% of broswermarket also one time. IE got that market in no time.

ICQ owned the larger market also. MSN is now marketleader.

Windows has always been marketleader. OSX is only used by 3 % of all computerusers or so.

MediaPlayer has been widely most used

MS fights till it's nr. 1. And yes their former products are Software based. But still, Sony was on one time also a new kid in console town.

And this time the new kid around has pockets full of money to get what it wants.

So think again. And see the exclusives. 360 just has the most surprising new ones. And the best ones. The awards on last E3 proved it for sure

Gears of War was the game of the show for sure.

So if you say xbox 1.5, everyone else kan say

PSZero

[ps3willrule]

dreamcast had some sweet games but that didn't really help there system same with the 360 only i think dreamcast had better games for its time then the 360 does. In this 1 year they shipped 10 million only sold 4 ....its still on shelves everywhere i go and i'm not lying. i dunno where u guyz live mab out in the sticks but 360's are on shelves everywhere i go....so r ps2's but there selling!!! o peter moore u screwed up with dreamcast u couldn't market hyp for it.....u screwed upx-box making it a loss....and ur screwin up 360 i can't beleive ur not fired or killed by a hitman yet from sega.

[TheMART]

So the PS2 is not on the shelves? Man products have to be on the shelves to be sold. MS has stated that they will sell 5 to 5.5 million by the end of June. So if you say they sold 4 million up till now they are going to make it. They will sell 10 million by Christmas. Just because Gears of War will be a huge system seller.

Look products not laying on the shelves, that's the Sony strategy. Not able to produce enough still even not months after launch.

I spoke to some shop owners about the PSP for example. He said the Nintendo DS outsold that thing, but even if he would like to sell one to a customer, he had to say: well I don't know if they will be here this week, this month or in 3 months. Just check regurlarly.

Selling no is the worst thing one can have. So that you see 360's on the shelves is a good thing.

But hey PS3willrule is the same person as PS3Lord alias ssj04 so we all know where this came from...

[ps3willrule]

all the money in the world couldn't save his losing streak good luck bill with a #1 dumb fuk marketing ur 1.5 x-box.

[jsuch2002]

360 fan or PS3 fan....both systems are going to be good. I have a 360 and love it. I had a ps2 and loved it. Everyone here knows that both systems are good. I do believe that MS has the advantage because of live. PS3 can only hope to have a online gaming community like Live. But cmon guys....both systems are very powerfull and very good looking. Give it a rest already!!!!!

[The Real Deal]

Microsofts brand xbox/xbox 360 has more games per console sold than any system in history. Including the 100 million ps2's out there. But no one knows how many out of that 100 million sold actually work? because its odd to me that Microsoft sold 30 million plus xboxes and over 5 million 360's thus far. But yet have sold more games per console. Think about it. The real gamers. The guys and gals with the money who actually play games, prefer the Microsoft products as the numbers of games sold per console would say. So if the bulk of the Sony fans don't even buy many games for their beloved system, why would they all pay 600 plus for a ps3? yeah the hardcore sony fan boys will buy it. But what about the other 99 million so called sony consumers that only buy one or two games in the life cycle of the system? lol...its somthing to think about. P.S. I have 2 high end computers, 6 xbox 360's, Game cube, Ds, And a Playstation 2. And I had 4 xboxes that I never once had to replace but 1 ps2 that I have replaced 3 times since the launch. Besides God of War the xbox outperformed the ps2 so most of my money went on xbox games.

[TheCagyDies]

woot