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N4G's Killzone 3 Interview with Steven ter Heide

N4G's Cathlin (a.k.a. Catastrophe) had a chance to talk with Steven about Killzone 3, if they're borrowing snow from Naughty Dog, and what it's like designing a control scheme with Move.

SmokeyMcBear4935d ago

so really... is it the snow from uncharted or not... answer me!

Incipio4935d ago

Why do you always put "..." in all your comments?

Anyways, it's nice to see something actually come outta N4G besides reviews lol.

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SmokeyMcBear4935d ago

haha, i didnt even moderate that comment. have a good time out though.

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Incipio4935d ago

My comment was actual curiosity, lol...harvey and bestmate are just plain old trolls

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Cloudberry4934d ago

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"CS: The water is really nice, you get that snow from Uncharted?

StH: [laughs] Yeah, we borrowed this from Uncharted. The next Uncharted will have that water."

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So Guerilla Games borrow the snow from Uncharted, and the next Uncharted would have Killzone 3's water???

That's awesome.

I hope Uncharted 3 would be in Atlantis.

Hideo_Kojima4934d ago

Haha...

"I noticed all the fans have been saying, “Oh, they’ve got snow! I’ve seen the snow level from Killzone! They must be using the Uncharted snow!” That’s not exactly how it works. We do not go over to Naughty Dog and say, “Okay, we’d like a barrel of snow please!”, it doesn’t work that way"

Great article makes me wish I worked for GG, Santa Monica or Naughty Dog.

Kleptic4934d ago (Edited 4934d ago )

because...is...awesome. I can't stop doing it either...its that awesome...

but guntrol's comment hit I think...procedural layer manipulation or whatever the tech is called is simply a type of rendering that the PS3 is apparently pretty good with...To my knowledge the first motorstorm was the first title to really use it, for effects in the mud...Its not decaling, it actually has geometry and effects lighting accordingly...the snow in Uncharted 2 was sort of the next step in that direction (also MGS4 did the exact same thing in Act IV iirc)...And killzone 3 is using it also...

first party development probably shares some tools for manipulating this affect across different titles...and they probably all researched and created the toolsets together...its no secret that SCE has a massive network of shared tools for renderer development...so i doubt its strictly Naughty Dog's work, and others have to 'borrow' it...they probably all had something to do with making it work properly on the PS3...

Same thing with god of war III, which used lighting effects that had only been seen in killzone 2 otherwise so far...and Santa Monica didn't 'steal it' from GG...they probably were helping work with it at the same time god of war III and killzone 2 were in development...each proprietary engine an SCE studio creates uses tools and code that are shared with other engines...they are not all different from the ground up, its just some are much more advanced than others overall...

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BannedForNineYears4935d ago

Yes, bucket by bucket, they brought the snow from Uncharted 2 to Killzone 3.

Dr-Zoidberg4934d ago

Drake: Who the hell are you?

Sev: Uh just come to borrow your snow

Drake Oh ok then

Dr-Zoidberg4934d ago

Well Naughty Dog borrowed KZ skins so it is only fair they get buckets of snow in return

ico924935d ago

i love how ps3 devs are competing against each other to make the better product in the end the gamers are gonna win

kaveti66164935d ago

I agree, but I've read this very statement verbatim maybe 10 times.

iPad4935d ago

10 bubbles ?!?! whaaaaaaaaaaaat

IHateYouFanboys4935d ago

@SmokeyMcBear

ive never understood all the PS3 fanboys obsession with the snow in Uncharted 2? its nothing we havent seen a million times before. its just the regular footprint texture left where your feet touch the ground, and a bit of basic 3D snow gets shuffled around on your feet, then promptly disappears. the actual snow on the ground doesnt deform or move out of the way, so im really struggling to understand why people think its so revolutionary?

games back on the PS2 had better snow effects - virtua fighter had snow on one level that actually deformed and moved in response to players walking through it and jumping on it. the snow in Uncharted 2 is just a ground texture, then they throw some extra polygons on around Drakes feet to give the impression that the snow is deforming, when its actually not.

Strange_Evil4935d ago

"games back on the PS2 had better snow effects"...

The Fail is strong in this 1... That is why every media outlet praised UC2 for it's spectacular snow effect... Play UC2 and then comment.

cyborg69714935d ago

You obviously live on the equated cause you have no idea what your talking about. The snow in uc2 are spot on. I should know I live in Minnesota. And I'm downloading the beta as I type. Can't wait.

IHateYouFanboys4935d ago

ive completed Uncharted 2, have the trophies to prove it too.

Uncharted 2 doesnt have spectacular snow effects. the only thing good about it is how the snow builds up on the character, but thats not snow effects thats just character modelling.

Strange_Evil and cyborg6971 - please tell me whats so spectacular about U2s snow effects. its not dynamic or interactive, and doesnt react to your character walking/diving through it. im genuinely curious as to what you think is so great about it.

Shadow Flare4934d ago (Edited 4934d ago )

I honestly don't see the fuss about uncharted 2s snow. Before the game came out, naughty dog said they wanted to make a snow effect as good as the water effect in uncharted 1. Now the water effect is mind blowing and is still the best water effect I've seen. So I had high hopes for the snow. But compared to the water it's not good at all. You play the game and look for yourself. I remember playing the beta and my first reaction was, "geez, that's the snow? I hope they fix that". Because as you walk throughout it, all that happens is white spheres appear where you've stepped. White spheres just appear around your feet when you walk, and that's supposed to be the snow moving about. It isn't brilliant. I was expecting it to be more like the snow in the trailer

That's just my honest opinion. Not to take anything away from the game because it's amazing and graphically the best I've seen on consoles

SuperM4934d ago

The snow effect in UC2 is better then the water effect in UC1. UC1 water we have actually seen in other games. In no game have i ever seen as good snow as in UC2. If you dont get it then you: a) Have really poor eyesight or b) have no idea what snow looks like, and probably also c) have no idea how hard it is to make snow look great.

Shadow Flare4934d ago

SuperM, insult me, why dont you

I'm just saying the water tech in this:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

impressed me more the first time i saw it then the snow tech in this the first time i saw it:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I didn't say it was bad, and i can imagine how hard it must be to make lifelike snow, but i was blown away more by the water then the snow the first time i saw each of them. Am i allowed to have an opinion superm?

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tacosRcool4934d ago

Anyways the game will look amazing anyways!

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BornToKill4935d ago

don't forget about the Killzone 3 theme today guys.

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Jac5al4935d ago

What time does the us ps store on the east coast usually goes live?

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20 Years of Guerrilla: The Story of a PlayStation Studio

The Amsterdam-based studio reflects on its humble beginnings, beloved franchises, and growth through the years.

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SullysCigar350d ago

Up there with the top tier in the industry. Love Guerrilla Games - Horizon Burning Shores is simply STUNNING.

1Victor350d ago

Can’t wait for their next franchise

SullysCigar350d ago

Same. They nailed it with Horizon. The trouble is I also want a new Killzone! Can't I just have it all?!

jznrpg350d ago

I’m with you I want Horizon 3 , Killzone and new IPs

badz149350d ago

I have yet to play Burning Shores as I just started Forbidden West (bought at launch, just unwrapped last weekend LOL) and playing on PS5.

man...I still can't believe the graphics especially now I'm playing it on my LG OLED. that graphics and with stable performance backing it up, GG really is the master of their craft!

Vengeance1138350d ago

32.7M sales in the Horizon franchise! With 8.4M coming from Forbidden West alone! Truly a hugely successful game and franchise as a whole. Looking forward to Horizon III

Shane Kim350d ago

That's kind of a huge drop though. It's only been two games.

VersusDMC350d ago

One year after realease HZD sold 7.6 million.

https://www.noobfeed.com/ne...

So not a drop off.

Unless you're saying a HFW should have sold as much now as HZD sold in 5 years?

Vengeance1138350d ago

It's been 3 games, this includes Call of the Mountain. Also no, its a great improvement over HZD.

solideagle350d ago

lol you are comparing:

HZD: 28 February 2017 - May 2023 (6 years+)

HFW: 18 February 2022 - May 2023 (1 year+)

We will see if it surpass original number.

Phoenix76350d ago

@shane, 2 full main games, 2 DLC add ons, 1 VR spin off game, oh and a an official LEGO set.
Not too bad for an ip that's only been on market for 6 years

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REDGUM350d ago

Wow, very impressive. I didn't know the numbers were so high for Forbidden West. Still playing through it myself

thesoftware730350d ago (Edited 350d ago )

Yooo, when I first saw that Killzone 1 footage at E3, my friends my brothers and I were like, Holy shit! When it came out, it didn't look exactly like it, but we sunk so many hours into 1 & 2.

I even liked Killzone: SF, it was a spectacle to look at, and even today it looks good. I hope they make a new one. Can you imagine how that will look, and they can get some modern FPS pointers from Bungie.

blacktiger350d ago

thank you fps lover, I'm with you

talocaca350d ago

Such a wonderful studio. They deserve all their success.

The Decima Engine is absolute 🔥 I'm just mad they have abandoned Killzone.

OzzY-waZZy350d ago (Edited 350d ago )

Kinda wish they move on from Horizon tbh.

potatoseal350d ago

They are probably working on mutiple projects. One of them is Horizon 3, but another is a multiplaer game and probably somehting else.

Imalwaysright350d ago

There were rumours that they were working on a Socom reboot.

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Killzone 3 is playable with mouse & keyboard on PC via RPCS3 & KAMI

DSOGaming writes: "While Sony does not plan to release Killzone 3 on the PC, Yahfz shared a video that gives us a glimpse at what such a PC version could look like."

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bouzebbal1101d ago

Still looks secure 2 gens later... one of my favorite ps3 moments. With 3D and move the game is on another level

MadLad1101d ago

PC almost always ends up the best place to play games, even if it takes a while.

What would you rather play decades down the line? A game at a fixed resolution and frame, considering you have a working disc, and the hardware?
Or run it on an emulator that can update the experience all around, and let you use whatever control input you prefer?

If you insist on the former, it's really only for the sake of nostalgia.

Applejack1101d ago

I disagree. The main draw for consoles has always be the simplicity of just putting the disc in / downloading it and playing without worrying about anything else. The average person just wouldn’t want to deal with emulation even though it’s very important for preservation.

Terry_B1101d ago

Even emulators are super simple to use.

jukins1101d ago

Youre getting flak because people on here thibk of themselves as pc wizards. But honestly most poeple try and go get emulators and romz they end up with malware.. yes theyre "easy" if you know the basics but alot of people dont. That said the fact that its taken nearly 20 years to get a sustantially better experience for ps3 games than on its native system shows the complexity of getting bc to work. Sony, if they have any intention, should just invest in a vastly better psnow experience.

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Vegamyster1101d ago

jukins

Most people who emulate don't get malware, you'd have to be going to some weird sites for that to happen, heck years ago people were getting sketchier ad's resulting in malware warning on this site if you didn't have a ad-blocker lol.

SinkingSage1101d ago

Can't get malware if you legally dump your own games, which you should.

Rachel_Alucard1101d ago (Edited 1101d ago )

That's fine if that's the main draw, but it doesn't make it a better experience, just a preference. Having the freedom to do the things you can do on PC is what the appeal of PC is. Buying a game on PC means you never have to worry about the console makers just deciding the next hardware shouldn't support the generation anymore, which means everything you bought is stuck on that hardware instead of moving up with everything else. Nintendo uses this tactic to keep reselling the same games over and over at inflated prices. Sony cut all previous gens off the PS4 and sold it back to people in a poor attempt with PSnow. While the PS5 supports PS4 games, that may not be the case in the next gen after this. No to mention shutting off all the previous stores and updates completely. Even MS stopped making new BC titles at some point, so now there's a big list with 17 pages of titles that are not playable on Xbone and are just trapped on older gen. That's not a problem on PC, the reverse happens where you only have to worry if your hardware can play the newest releases at ultra with no issue.

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AzubuFrost1101d ago

Shhh don't say that aloud! You're going to trigger a lot of console infidels here.

Shane Kim1101d ago

I rather play it when it's available then wait 10 years.

MadLad1100d ago

Did you purposely miss the entire point of my post?

Inverno1101d ago

Well that's the beauty of still owning a retro console tho. Those who usually complain about emulation are just being blindly loyal to a company. Emulation is great for many reason, but if I still owned the console then I disagree nothing beats plugging it back in and going down a nostalgia trip

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RevXM1101d ago

The RPCS3 devs are doing great work. And Kami works nicely with it too it seems.
Very neat.

Magatsuhi1101d ago

Been playing mgo on pc with mouse. It's not perfect but I can make it work.

Binarycode1101d ago

2 is the better game.

A Remake would be good. 60fps 2-4k

Omar3li1101d ago

60fps is peasant for FPS games now

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Top 10 PS3 Games We Hope Come Back On PS5

While Xbox has committed to backwards compatibility spanning four generations, PlayStation has continued their stance that the feature isn't important. Well, it is! I'm hoping these PlayStation 3 classics that skipped the PS4 entirely show up again on the PS5 for everyone to enjoy.

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Knightofelemia1279d ago

Resistance, Dead Space franchise, Splatterhouse, Lollipop Chainsaw, Brutal Legends, Alice Madness Returns, Enslaved Journey to the West, Mass Effect franchise. Also wouldn't mind seeing a new Wild Arms game remake or HD remaster, the Xenosaga trilogy, a new Parasite Eve, a new Dino Crisis just too many games to list that are forgotten and left in the dark now adays.

Sciurus_vulgaris1279d ago

The PS3 is difficult to emulate. PS3 backwards compatibility on PS5 would require translation from PowerPC to x86. Additionally the PS5 likely would have to mimic the PS3’s GPU and CPU.

ApocalypseShadow1278d ago

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This is what pops up on my web browser. So I can't even read the site. So, forget that. They don't need my data.

But let's get something straight. OG Xbox had around 1,001 games. How many are BC on Series X? **39** THIRTY NINE. Come on! That's wack BC. You can't tell me that's a complete list. Talking about commitment. Game preservation. Ridiculous. Covers nothing.

How many games released on Xbox 360? Around 2085. How many are BC?
568. That's it. Around 1,517 are **MISSING** Stop playing. Tired of that nonsense.

Anyway, the only games I really want from PS3 that would be awesome are Motorstorm and MGS4. I'll take BC. I'll take a remaster. I'll take a remake. If not those, then Killzone 2. And in VR, maybe Sports Champions, House of the Dead Overkill and the Time Crisis games.

That's all I need. But we've gone over BC again and again in every possible way. It wasn't that important because Sony sold 115 million consoles without it. That's proof enough with no outcry. And PS5 has damn near all 4,000+ PS4 games BC. It's not PS1,PS2 and PS3. But that's plenty. I'll take more but you get what you get.

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