Could Xbox 360 handle Infamous 2?

Infamous 2 couldn't be done on Xbox 360 - despite the fact that the game is currently only using around half of the PS3's power.

That's according to Sucker Punch game designer Darren Bridges, who told CVG that he believes the cell processor of PS3 gives it the kind of power other consoles can only dream of.

[MGRogue2017]

Simple answer: No, Because that system doesn't have the CELL processor.

[Hank Hill]

this^^^

[Dragun619]

Technically, No. 360 Doesn't have the Cell processor that Sucker Punch are Utilizing in the PS3 for Infamous 2.

[CivAddict]

That is just one part of why the PS3 is so much more graphically powerful than the Xbox 360.

The Broadband Engine(Cell) chip
The crazy fast RAM the PS3 has and the 360 doesn't
The 25/50GB BluRay
The RSX and its much more powerful pixel pushing power

All that adds up to a massive graphical power advantage that is why the PS3 has destroyed the 360 graphically this gen.

[Xeoset]

ITT: People that don't understand the architecture of this generation's system.

[OpenGL]

I love when fanboys that know absolutely nothing about hardware try to act like an expert.

[Chris_TC]

Well, CivAddict received 14 agrees, so clearly he's considered an expert.
After all, everybody knows how MASSIVELY important "crazy fast RAM" is for real-world performance. I mean, DDR3 triples your frames per seconds, right? RIGHT?

[CivAddict]

"After all, everybody knows how MASSIVELY important "crazy fast RAM" is for real-world performance"

Now that is hilarious. You obviously didn't stop to think just how idiotic what you wrote was...

[Chris_TC]

Oh really?
I won't waste more than 30 seconds on you, so here's the first RAM speed comparison Google brought up. Have fun:
http://www.tomshardware.com...

Edit: This site is so awesome. I get disagrees for posting an article that benchmarks RAM modules.
So which is it: you don't like the results or you don't even understand the numbers?

[Vicodin]

This is the first generation where a console, the PS3, has so totally annihilated its competition, the Xbox 360. There never has been another generation where a console has completely humiliated its competition in every single graphical area:

* Resolution
* Materials
* Lighting
* Animation
* Poly counts
* Particle effects
* Storage space/graphical data size

There isn't a single game where the PS3 doesn't destroy the 360 in each of those areas.

Every previous gen the competing consoles always had areas that one console was more powerful or capable than other consoles from that gen.

[OpenGL]

If "Crazy fast RAM" is what makes the PS3 so powerful, what excludes the 360's 10MB of eDRAM that peaks at 256GB/s of memory bandwidth from the conversation? You do realize that the PS3's 256MB of XDR has 25.6GB/s of memory bandwidth and the RSX's 256MB of DDR3 has 22.4GB/s, right? The video memory speed is actually the same on both systems, the difference though is that some of the 360's memory bandwidth actually gets saved because the back buffer is rendered in the 10MB of eDRAM.

I'd probably argue that the PS3 is indeed the more powerful console of the two, but the biggest difference between them actually from Sony's OpenGL ES based graphics API and the openness it provides allowing developers to utilize hardware in new ways not previously imagined, in comparison to the 360's more strict DirectX 9.0C based API.

[Vicodin]

Developers don't really use the OpenGL interface to the PS3 hardware. They did in the early days, but now developers use a more direct PS3 specific interface.

[OpenGL]

So developers have stopped using the RSX completely then? You do realize that the RSX is based on Nvidia's G71 which has absolutely no GPGPU support, right? There is simply no way to use it without taking advantage of a graphics API like DirectX or OpenGL.

[Vicodin]

"There is simply no way to use it without taking advantage of a graphics API like DirectX or OpenGL."

This is wrong.

[OpenGL]

How is this wrong? G71 does not support CUDA, DirectCompute, or OpenCL.

[Vicodin]

You have direct hardware access with libgcm for the PS3.

[gamingdroid]

RAM speed and size are to independent factor that affects your software in different ways depending on situation and how you design your software. I for one do not believe something is impossible on another system as both consoles are pretty much comparable.

Sony just happen to have a lot of first party studios that get a lot of freedom and time to work on said technology.

Sony and their affiliated keep claiming this is only possible on the PS3, but I would love to see a more detail explanation than some at best vague answer.

With that said, the story ends with:

"It's pure speculation, [Sucker Punch has] no idea of whether we can do it because we don't work on Xbox or any other console."

Perhaps Sucker Punch should then just STF! Clearly they don't know then why open your mouth!!!

[OpenGL]

The PS3 actually uses LibGCM and PSGL (OpenGL ES 1.2 + Nvidia CG) Do you understand that it is just a stripped down version of OpenGL? Since OpenGL is open source Sony is free to take it and modify it how they want, but it is still at its core a version of OpenGL.

The fact remains that the RSX is an extremely dated GPU that uses discrete shaders without any sort of GPGPU functionality.

[Vicodin]

OpenGL, none of the things you are writing are making any sense.

No, libgcm is not 'a stripped down version of OpenGL'. libgcm is a low level hardware access API. The OpenGL ES implementation for the PS3 is built upon libgcm to some extent.

Edit:

LOL @hoops!

Don't even know where to start with such stupidity.

The PS2 and Xbox had the exact same storage format/size. Standard single or dual layer DVD.

The PS2 destroyed the Xbox in graphics ram based effects thanks to the insane EDRAM. That's why games like the port of MGS2 to the Xbox ran so poorly because it couldn't handle PS2 level frame buffer operations/effects.

The PS2 destroyed the Xbox in floating point power leading to the PS2 having superior animation and bezier curve based graphic elements.

The only real area the Xbox had over the PS2 was in multipass rendering(aka 'teh Shiny'). And even that was mostly in the early PS2 days.

The game cube had its fast RAM and lightning quick seeking drive that gave it its edge.

All three consoles last gen were pretty much in the ballpark of each other in real world performance with all three putting out just about the same number polys per frame.

Just another clueless PC gamer throwing around a bunch of PC graphics hardware terms who is totally fucking ignorant of real console hardware.

[hoops]

"This is the first generation where a console, the PS3, has so totally annihilated its competition, the Xbox 360. There never has been another generation where a console has completely humiliated its competition in every single graphical area:"

The Xbox1 completey destroyed the PS2 in graphics, physics, RAM, Space, lighting effects and especially PIXEL/VERTEX shader performnce.
It was not eve close. Why?
Because the PS2 did not have a dedicated GPU and did not have hardware for programmable shaders...at all. Everything related had to be done with software. The Xbox1 had the first programable shader GPU inside. The Xbox1 had more bandwidth, more ram. More than 2 times as much as the PS2.
There was NO AREA that the PS2 could compete with the Xbox1 OR the GAMECUBE.
You stand corrected. The generation that was not close was not this one. It was last generation. Look at the specs...It's a pure blowout.
There was never a game on the PS2 that looked like Splinter Cell Choas Theory or Chronicles of Riddick or Ninja Gaiden. Nothing came close.
Get your facts straight

LOL. I am getting disagrees for stating the truth. Only on N4G.COM
The truth of the matter is, the PS2 did not even come close to the Xbox1 in terms of power. It had less RAM. Less bandwidth. Less pixel/Shader performnce. Less EVERYTHING.
The PS2 only had 32Megs of RAM. The Xbox had double this. The Xbox was the first gaming product to feature Dolby Interactive Content-Encoding Technology. It had a better sound chip.
It supported DX8.1 which had API features the PS2 did not support at all even when using OpenGL or its other API.

[FlatulentGhost]

The GameCube,PS2,and Xbox all were almost identical in real world power last gen. All three cranked out games in 15-20 million polys per sec for leading games. Each console last gen had games that were doing things the other two console weren't: 60fps Metroid Prime on the GameCube, ICO/Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, Gran Turismo on the PS2, and so on.

[turok]

u make less sense than OpenGL

[hoops]

Name me ONE game on the PS2 that had the technical apsect and graphics as Splinter Cell Choas Theory or Chronicles of Riddick Or Ninja Gaiden?
Good luck. There were none at all. I am not talking about ART DIRECTION. You spew a whole lot of garbage and know squat.
The same argument Sony fanboys use: Show us one Xbox360 game that looks like Uncharted 2 or KZ3.....
Well show us one game that looks better then the ones I mentioned above for the PS2? And the ones you WILL name are ART direction. Not graphics or physics.

Btw. Storage Space has NOTHING to do with visuals.
That comment makes you look stupid as rocks.
The Xbox1 had more RAM. Double TO BE EXACT.
The Xbox1 had a dedicated GPU. The PS2 did not.
Xbox1 exclusives such as Panzer Dragoon Orta and Ninja Gaiden and Chronicles of Riddick and Half Life 2 blew away EVERY PS2 game.
GOD 2 and FF12 had great art direction but not even the same graphic or physics direction.
Ask yourself why ALL multi games except that crappy version of MGS looked, ran better on the Xbox1?
They all did. And Because the Xbox1 had higher bandwidth, mofe memory and a moe powerful GPU that was PROGRAMABLE, game resoltuions were better. And the fact the PS2 DID NOT SUPPORT AA at ALL.
Ansiotropic Filtering on the PS2 was pitiful.
Dude you are blind. It was common knowlwedge that the Xbox1 blew away the PS2 in terms of visuals and everything else.
It was also the first Console to use a HD.
Look up the specs....i know you wont. Its clear you have your head up Sony's ass.
And you mentioning "particle effects"
LMFAO LOLOLOL....
The smoke and mirror effects of consoles. Its the easiest graphic calculation a system can perform.
Please dude. Take some Vicodin like HOUSE and no longer post.
You are clueless.
You actually said the PS2 blew away the Xbox1...LMFAO.
Dude was not even close.
When you can pull a game out that looked like Ninja Gaiden or Chronicles of Riddick or Splinter Cell on the PS2, then talk

[FlatulentGhost]

"It was common knowlwedge"

LOL! Wait you're saying a bunch of dimwitted Xbots parroted a bunch of desktop PC based graphics hardware terms and made inane claims about the relative graphical power of their console?

Wow, sounds just like this gen...

This is why console developers despise Microsoft. Just because Microsoft was stupid enough to throw a bunch of expensive desktop PC graphics parts in a big ugly box, now every stupid little kid with a PC thinks they have a fucking clue about console graphics hardware.

[ExplosionSauce]

Hey! GOWII and Shadow of the Colossus are beautiful PS2 games, as well as MGS3 and it managed RE4 quite nicely too. So the PS2 wasn't that pitiful. Considering it's huge success and how the mightier Xbox died so quickly as well as the GameCube.
Since when does a system's RAM and power, equal the fun a system can deliver? Give me some games!
______

@ plenty a tool
GTA4 was multiplatform. Not a PS3 exclusive that was later ported to 360. Your argument didn't make much sense.

[Lifendz]

Who cares if it could? Why speculate when it'll never happen anyway? Unless Sucker Punch has worked on the 360 hardware and is willing to give an unbiased opinion on the matter, the rest of us don't possess the knowledge to make an intelligent statement on the matter.

[DaTruth]

If you want to do post processing effects on the Cell that are traditionally done on graphics chips, you will need fast RAM like the 3.5ghz XDR. MLAA is an example of this! That is why no post processing is done on the 360s CPU.

The 10MB of EDRAM in the 360 was found to be too little and can't hold an entire 720p frame! That is why all games on 360 with AA are 540p or have really low texture resolution like Unreal Engine games!

[SilentNegotiator]

....then HEEEEEEEEECK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[OpenGL]

It is true that the cell has proven itself very capable of handing post processing effects.

Also, the eDRAM can hold an entire 720p frame, but only with anti-aliasing disabled. Anti-aliasing can still be achieved at 720p by resorting to image tiling. I'm not really sure what texture resolution has to do with it, as the textures aren't stored in the eDRAM anyway.

[SeanRL]

I think the Xbox could definitely handle this game, but I'm no expert. Still, they could probably make it so that it worked with the Xbox's hardware, but that would take extra time and resources and it would be pointless.

[sikbeta]

Pfffftttt.... I'm still waiting for teh KZ2 & UC2 killarz.....

[kancerkid]

Well if they ported it to Xbox at least it would have AA

[Ju]

You will be surprised when this game will release with MLAA then (a first for an open world game, btw).

And btw, Vicodin, interesting read.

[DatNJDom81]

"That's good for us because we don't have to play to the lowest denominator of the consoles. We're playing to the PS3 and we're making a game that we can make, technology isn't limiting us."

The story of this generation of consoles.

[Kurt Russell]

Serious nerd war going on in this thread... many lols!

Ladies one in one out you say?

[mrcash]

if its only using half the power then yes, the ps3 is only 33% stronger than xbox well at least the cell is than the 360 cpu. But no because its only on ps3.

[doa766]

not hard to see, just compare Heavenly Sword to Enslaved, both games by the same studio, one PS3 exclusive, the other multiplat

the 4 year old Heavenly Sword looks better than Enslaved, and to pass an opinion on this you need to have seen both on your own TV and then you'll know this is a fact

the difference is a lot more clear when you see them in motion

[raztad]

Where that 33% came from? LMAO

@edhe bellow

"I honestly can't believe this stuff's coming up again after Rage et al. "

Sorry but if you visit any decent tech savy forum you will understand how weak RAGE technically is. It has nice textures and framerate but everything else was sacrificed.

Quote from the interview:
"That's good for us because we don't have to play to the lowest denominator of the consoles." LOL. Fanboys raaaage.

You can disagree, take bubbles away, but that doesnt change what the developer said.

[CWMR]

Enslaved (at least on the 360) definitely looks better than Heavenly Sword.

[forcefullpower]

You really haven't played the game on the 360 then. It doesn't screen tear as much but by god does the games slow down. There where so many points during the later levels showed the 360 could not handle what was going on onscreen.

And doa766 was right heavenly sword is graphically amazing compared to enslaved and that came out 4 years ago. I bet with 4 years they could have refined the ps3 engine they had and enslaved would have been jaw dropping.

At the end of the day tho. Enslaved is a great game shame they also couldb't have made it jaw dropping aswell.

[raztad]

@tucky

There ar some screen tearing, however the case in point is why a 4 years later game doesnt look leaps and bounds better?

If HS2 ever happens it would outdo HS by a mile.

@CWMR

Oh really? because both Enslaved SKU look pretty much the same.

[mrcash]

heck now enslaved on 360 doesnt even look as good as gears 1 and its using the same engine

[iFLOWLIKEWATER]

aztad, you should have put, "...if you go to any ps3 savvy forum..." ;)

[Active Reload]

Raztad, its funny you use the words "leaps and bounds", when you're trying to take something away from a game that isn't a PS3 exclusive. Here is the thing though, there isn't anything on the PS3 thats leaps and bounds above anything, anywhere except for whats on the Wii.

[Darrius Cole]

It is rather amazing how delusional some people still are about this. It should be clear to everyone who watches both consoles now that there are several games on PS3 that could not be on the 360 without reducing the graphical output.

No 360 game, exclusive or multi-plat, looks as good as Uncharted 1, which is 3 years old now.

No 360 game, exclusive or multi-plat, looks any better than Gears of War 1 which is 4 years old now. Gears 2 is the only game to match and it doesn't look noticeably better than Gears 1.

Uncharted 1 looks better than Gears of War 1 and 2, yet there are several PS3 games that look better then Uncharted 1.

PS3 exclusives are still advancing their graphical output.

360 RPG's have started to hit storage limitations...most notably, Mass Effect 2 and FFXIII

Only with multi-plats do you get the back and forth of sometimes the 360 version looks better/sometimes the PS3 version looks better.

For anyone to say that there are no games on PS3 than the 360 can't handle without nerfing them first is just not reasonable.

[raztad]

@IFLOW

Dunno about it. Actually I was thinking about Neogaf. Come on, even Crytek in their tech talks has mentioned RAGE as an example of a game weak on the technical side. Fully pre-baked lightning and low polygon count are two of the main complains I have came across.

[gamingdroid]

... and CryTek isn't a competitor of Rage?

[edhe]

Yes that's true, because you'd have to change the ISA over to x86 RISC which would be .. ooh a job of coding it.

Or maybe just run it on a middleware platform that will emulate the cell.

sigh..

it's just a processor. Any processor can emulate any other processor given the right low-level code.

I honestly can't believe this stuff's coming up again after Rage et al.

[blahblah]

congratulations, you've won the "most uninformed comment ever" award

emulation in real world? not on mine... if you have PC, try emulating PPC on it (use PearPC) and tell me how usable that is. now consider those two architectures don't differ much, at least they share same family as "general purpose processors" which translates into "jack of all trades", aka. can do everything decent, but has no specialization.

Cell is special purpose processor (performs well above average in his specializations and well bellow average in the rest). It has completely different way of executing jobs, aka. SPU pipelining and sharing. Emulating Cell on PC or PPC would be disastrously slow.

one thing where Cell over performs everything is single based arithmetic. and since games don't need precision it is perfectly suited.

[vsr]

May be xbox 720p will do

[Ju]

You guys know that both, the 360 and the PS3 run the exact same PPU core, right (PPC G3 based core, both are identical cause developed by the same team at the same time.). Just saying.

And for emulating: There is nothing which can emulate SPUs in realtime. Won't happen anytime soon. The only way this would ever work (if at all) would be with some sort of GpGPU streaming code on a latest generation (like a G300 or something).

It's quite easier to port ATI/Shader code and PPU threads to the CELL than the other way round. Unless, as some people have published in the past, you write generic C/C++ code which runs native on SPUs (first) and also compile straight to x86 (PC) and PPC (360) code.

Anyhow, byte ordering (LE vs. BE) and ISA (x86 vs. PPC) is not an issue because very little code is written in assembler (if at all). These routines can easily be re-written. Byte ordering can be handled with macro code (but needs some preparation).

[TEFL0N_D0N_81]

you fanboys just don't read the whole article. If there's one sentence that glorifies the PS3 over 360, all other sentences are ignored. This is straight from the article, "He added: "It's pure speculation, [Sucker Punch has] no idea of whether we can do it because we don't work on Xbox or any other console. ".

Basically, they're just talking shit. Can they be right? Maybe, but they just admitted that they're only talking shit!

Why the F*** is this even an article when it substantiates nothing? And there's nothing to disagree. The guy says it can't be done on the 360, and then says he has no idea in the same interview.

[deadreckoning666]

@first comment- Unless ur a hardware specialist...u can't prove that. I'm astonished that you have 22 people who agreed with you. I'm betting none of these people even know how to write a line of code..much less determine what the 360 is capable of technologically.

And the ongoing struggle of fanboys trying to prove that they made the right console choice looms on.....

"If the 360 can, then why has it not shown it yet.........
It's been 5 years."

If Sony can implement cross game chat/party system to PSN..then why haven't they done it yet? It's been 4 years.

Just because something hasn't happened yet doesn't mean its not possible.

[Syronicus]

Why has it not yet done so? There is nothing on the 360 that rivals the games the PS3 has in its exclusive bag of games so if the 360 could actually run a game like inFAMOUS 2 or Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2 or even GT5, then why has it not yet done so? Waiting for the right time? I think not.

[mrcash]

Infamous 2 doesn't look much better than Mafia2 on 360. Heck Castlevania looks better than I2, who knows if how its goin to end but at the moment I2 doesnt look like its on par with KZ2 or Uc2

[CWMR]

The problem is, fanboys just claim certain games look better than anything on the 360 even when they don't. It's circular reasoning. I could ask the same thing by saying "if the PS3 could run a game like Alan Wake or Gears of War why hasn't it"? It's a form of begging the question.

First you have to prove those games are doing something that is more advanced than in various 360 exclusives or multiplats.

In my opinion other open world games like Red Dead Redemption (on 360) and Assassin's Creed look better than inFamous 2.

[CimmerianDrake]

"If Sony can implement cross game chat/party system to PSN..then why haven't they done it yet? It's been 4 years."

-Ask EA. You don't remember? Sony wanted to implement custom music and cross game chat/party chat, but it made some games look bad and didn't work for them. So, a large 3rd party publisher (most believe it to be EA) threatened to pull support from the PS3 if it was implemented because they didn't want their games to look bad. So, custom music was relegated to being the publisher/devs choice and cross game chat was put on the back burner until it could be more successfully and smoothly integrated. Super Secret I believe is the guy's name that told everyone this.

So, there's your answer. Now answer why the 360 can't do whatever the question was that was asked.

@CMWR: Alan Wake is unimpressive. That's why it's not done on the PS3. Gears of War has already been surpassed, why would it be done on the PS3? And finally, InFamous 2 is still in development, so what's all this comparing it to already released games?

[CaliGamer]

Your Quote: ("if the PS3 could run a game like Alan Wake or Gears of War why hasn't it"? It's a form of begging the question.)

I think by now, it has been proven that with the correct budget and effort, the PS3 has produced some stunning results. It is up to the 360 at this point to show that it's exclusives can match what the PS3 has on hand for its consumers, not the othe way around.
The question of the 360's strenght is a valid one when you look at exclusives, in that respect the 360 is indeed running behind the PS3, that is plain to see IMHO.

Just Sayin.

[gamingdroid]

"If the 360 could run a game like this then...
Why has it not yet done so?"

So everything in life that has happened is impossible?

Because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it is impossible.

But as somebody else pointed out, cross game chat must not be possible on the PS3!

[noporcru623]

how on earth do you know if they can or cannot write a line of code, its not that hard dont assume that jus because theyre arguing about something potentially complicated that they have no idea what they r talking about even if they dont some may and they dont even have to know code for that kind of information, now you can find out the capabilities of systems anywhere or you can just look at the games like uncharted 2 and gt5 no doubt just cant be done on xbox as of yet

[noporcru623]

Game graphics and content and size...HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SYSTEM FEATURES. thats not even a valid argument thats like saying strawberries taste better than bananas because the seeds are on the outside..its dumb

[n4gno]

Wow, how delusional/denial fanboyz cwmr and others are, just buy some new eyes, please...

nobody with common sens can't deny the facts, graphics and polygons are not "art", and best ps3 exclusives are way better than anything on xbox (easier to program for ! so, if you did'nt see any game with uncharted 1 quality since the beginning, it's obvious they can't do it, don't be so naive/in denial)

Lol@fanboyz talking again of future games "bububu you'll see when halo3....uh...alan drake....uhhh bubububu rage, brink..." hilarious

incredible too see how they are in full force, denying the reality, even after 4 years and a lot of obvious proofs.

"I find it funny how the PS3 fan boys spend so much time commenting and defending there console on this site. While the 360 supporters are too busy enjoying there system to care what some snotty nosed, 13yo brat has to say. "

look around you, you 'll never see more xboboxs denial than here, some of the worst fanboyz pretending "uncharted2, kZ2, gow, heavy rain, etc to be "not so far away" from 360 best exclusives" = DENIAL POWER (or really bad 5" tv)

[Syronicus]

"So everything in life that has happened is impossible? "

You have not answered my question. If it could have been done, why then by now has it not been done? Considering that the 360 had a full year head start on the market you would think it would show in the titles released but it has not. So I say to you that there in lies the answer to the question posed by the article. No, games like inFAMOUS 2 could not be done on the 360. If it could, the devs and publishers would have seen to it already. But as with anything else Microsoft, they are content as are the fanboys with mediocrity.

[lexington]

Easily.

[CimmerianDrake]

Example?

[Odin777]

Tomato.

[Persistantthug]

It's been 5 years.

[StanLee]

It can handle Rage and Brink. Both demoed running on the console at numerous trade shows and both look fantastic on the console and better than Infamous 2. If the XBox 360 is maxed out, how come further into the console generation it continues to showcase great looking titles. Microsoft doesn't have as many internal studios to tap the console and why would they care to? Sony marketed it's machine as the most powerful console, and it's built a software library to back this up. Microsoft has built it's console on being social so it's focus has been cooperative play and multiplayer. Uncharted 2 looks great, Halo Reach you can play 4 players splitscreen online with your friends. 2 very different software focus.

[Chuk_Chuk]

I have seen Rage and infamous 2 in real life at Eurogamer on saturday. and its safe to say that while Rage does look damn good Infamous has that extra something that makes it look better. Like someone said above it seems a lot of things have been sacrificed to get such amazing texture quality in rage. Looking at rage it feels as if its missing something but i can't quite but my hand on it.

"Halo Reach you can play 4 players splitscreen online with your friends."

Warhawks says hi.

[InTheKnow]

The question is...could the Xbox 360 produce Infamous 2???

Infamous 2 doesn't do anything that Star Wars: Force unleashed 2 doesn't do...as a matter of fact, while different genre's, Force Unleashed does alot more...take a look...First up, Combat.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Next a walk-through opening level...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Can Infamous 2 be done on 360...it is already...it's called Force Unleashed 2 and is out in a couple of WEEKS THIS YEAR.

@Chuk...Warhawk is a single-player only game. Halo Reach has single-player, 4 player story based co-op, Firefight/horde mode, Halo Forge, award winning Multi-player and about 10 other things. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight...lol.

[Chuk_Chuk]

I guess you've never played warhawks then, because if you did you would know it has 4 player split screen online. Also i think you mean multiplayer only.

[Traveler]

Gears of War has not been surpassed for 5 years. Just sayin'.

[TheBlackSmoke]

Oh cool, I didn't know the force unleashed was an open world sandbox game, wow guess infamous 2 can be done on 360 after all.

[Elven6]

Simple answer: No, because it's a Sony IP...

And this is from a developer at Sucker Punch, of course they'd say something like this since they wouldn't be wrong in saying so due to IP ownership. I also doubt you or Sucker Punch have tried coding on an 360 (or you on a PS3 for that matter).

The same goes for Microsoft and Nintendo studios who make similar statements, I really hate this kind of talk from first, second, etc parties who are tied with the console makers.

[Sez]

He mentions in the interview that he hasn't worked on the 360 or any other console for that matter.

"So yeah... Do you think [Xbox 360] could pull off Uncharted 2? Everyone's comparing us to Uncharted 2, so if you think you can make Uncharted 2 on Xbox then OK maybe you can make Infamous 2 on Xbox."

He added: "It's pure speculation, [Sucker Punch has] no idea of whether we can do it because we don't work on Xbox or any other console.

So he doesn't have any clue if 360 can handle IF2 if he has never worked on the hardware.

Edit: I love how I get a disagree for quoting the dev in a interview in which the statement came out of his mouth.

[baodeus]

^
We need more logical people like you on n4g.

[doa766]

"we don't have to play to the lowest denominator of the consoles."

music to my ears, I've been saying that for years

[lexington]

But they already are.

[CimmerianDrake]

Really? You have a 360 game made by Sucker Punch you can show us that backs up your claim? Alright dude, link us. I'd love to see it.

[karl]

maybe he is confused with insomniac?

[Longrod_Von_Hugendon]

So why are they talking about pointless hypothetical scenarios that haven't a chance in hell of becoming reality? Nothing else to ponder on the box side of the gaming world?

Oh how the mighty have fallen. lol4rl

@DOMination

And I'll be playing Killzone 3, Uncharted 3, Infamous 2 all of which will crush anything MS/box have to offer. lol

And the lead platform for Crysis 2 is the PS3. So my Crysis 2 will look better than your Crysis 2. :P We'll talk again when all the games are out.

[Christopher]

Complex answer: Gameplay wise, yes. Graphics, physics, and lighting wise, no. 360 can process larger textures faster, but that's not what brings games like inFamous and Uncharted 2 to life, it's the constantly processed physics and lighting elements combined with both GPU and memory managed graphic textures that make it happen.

[JsonHenry]

Does it matter? Regardless of what format it is on it going to still be low rez textures and only 1024*768. Granted, some companies have excellent artists that are good at making those games look fantastic even though they have an extremely small frame buffer and limited RAM to work with. But in the end, technically speaking, it is still low rez textures and sub "true" HD no matter what console it is on.

Besides, the game to "beat" is Uncharted 2. Hands down the best looking console game to date.

[visualb]

to use the most out of the PS3's architecture, which is very different to the 360's.

it could be ported, but like some 360 to PS3 ports, it'd be horrible and downgraded.

but to say no because PS3 is superior or the game is too hard for the 360 to run is stupid, because there's no way of proving this.

[jony_dols]

The Xbox hasn't proven itself to be more powerful than the PS3.
I'am a rational person. If the graphics standard of Xbox exclusive games is superior to Ps3 exclusives, then I would hands down agree that the 360 is better, until then the PS3 has shown itself to be more powerful.

If all ye 360 fanboys think it is graphically superior, go and buy a 360 dev kit and prove me wrong. Because Remedy and Bungie havent surpassed Guerrilla, Naughty Dog or Polyphony

[units]

360 can handle much better looking open world games like red dead and just cause 2 all in 720P

[jellybalboa]

"He's not wrong. I tried it with the first Infamous, and if you put the disk in the 360, it doesn't run. Conclusive proof"

logic

[Graey]

hahaha...priceless.

[baodeus]

Lol, hahahahaha

That just make my day. Thanks jellybalboa.

[SonyPS360]

You don't need a "CELL" processor to run superior graphics to this.

So the simple answer would be yes, actually.

[number47]

Yet... never.. are..able.. to show it...Or bring up a multiplat that doesn't run 1/2 the physics/texture resolution/stream loading/amount of polygons on screen/etc.And anyone notice there are NEVER any articles asking of a 360 exclusive can run on the PS3? The irony is so amazing. Considering people pretend running a game with .5 more fps and texture filtering = powerful console.

-360 gets the sales, everyone agrees with that.
-PS3 pumps out the quality software that pushes technology forward. Only PS3 fans seem to agree. Look at Infamous 1 vs 2. Now look at Gears 1 vs 3.

Yet PS3 games are the bar for technology, and the target for debate and developer commentary.

[gamer2010]

Again, you are just stating your opinion. You haven't proved anything.

Infamous 2 is not doing anything special. Sorry, it just isn't.
As for the upgrade from Infamous to Infamous 2, I'd say it is decent, but not any greater than we saw from Halo 3 to Halo Reach. Probably less.

Moreover, the first Infamous was an average looking game, so even with the improvements it is not a bar-raising game.

If Sony didn't own Guerrilla and Naughty Dog I guarantee the PS3 would be seen as inferior all around. It's exclusives wouldn't be anything special and it's performance with multiplatform games still lags behind the 360. Just those two studios make all the difference. Sony should be thanking their lucky stars that they have them.

[Persistantthug]

XBOX 360's 2010 retail exclusives are SUB HD, PS3's are HD.

If XBOX 360 had equivalent power, it wouldn't have to do downgrade its latest and greatest to sub HD.

I'm tired of hearing XBOX 360's equiv. power, yet it continues to NOT show it.

I'm a reasonable guy, but if you tell me the sky is brown on a light blue sunny day, I'm gonna tell you that You are wrong, and that's that.

Stop telling me and show me, or just be silent. No offense, but that's the bottom line.

Edit in,
It's been 5 years, there's no more excuses to be made....game over, so to speak.

[FACTUAL evidence]

I suppose you beat infamous 2? So tell me oh great one.....what isn't so special about infamous 2?...

EDIT: Gamer...Sony doesn't own suckerpunch, and look how Infamous 2 is turning out. Nothing on 360 barely resembles those graphics. Well...what ever helps you sleep at night I guess...You should just stick to the whole, "xbl is better then psn" argument. Seriously, DEVS keep saying the ps3 is more powerful? WHAT DON'T YOU GUYS GET!?! Maybe you should go make an exclusive for the 360 with Infamous 2 graphics......That won't happen though now would it?

[number47]

Ninja Theory, Zipper, Kojima Studios, Quantic Dream, Media Molecule, (whoever makes MLB the show), Polyphony Digital.. (motorstorm developers) all run circles around 360 titles.

Proof? name something to trump each of the following:

1. MGS4
2. Flower
3. Little Big Planet
4. MLB
5. Gran Turismo 5/Prologue
6. Heavy Rain
7. Heavenly Sword
8. LAIR
9. MAG
10. Warhawk
11. WIPEOUT HD
12. Motorstorm 1 & 2
13. Singstar

Well I know you can't & Of course YOU don't think infamous is doing 'anything special' thats what all 360 owners claim. My opinion isn't Uncharted2 winning more tech/game awards than any game ever made. Again, you're a delusional 360 owner.
Infamous 2 has: Character Models/Lighting/Surfacing & Texturing/Post Processing effects that Infamous 1 didn't have. Simple close up screenshots or hell HD video will show you this, and listen to the developer commentary about whats different.

Halo is still SUBHD and the models are still low polygon in game, with textures used as armor. You guys pretend it has such an amazing scope, so thats why the visuals look nothing like the cut scenes... Jesus christ you're not trying to bring this up are you? And again, as I said.. 360 fans will claim all day that the PS3 isn't doing anything significant, yet can't name any 360 games that Trump what Naughty Dog or GG is doing. Thats the fact, thats not my opinion.

So Gamer what I need you to do:

1. NAME THE 360 games that are doing things more 'SPECIAL" than infamous. Right now.

2. Name the games that run circles around Infamous 1.

3. Name the games that have won more awards than Uncharted2 for tech/gameplay

4. Find an article that claims Halo/Reach wont/will/can run on the PS3.

[SonyPS360]

Actually you'll find the PC is the bar for technology.

[number47]

Not only can we all agree the 360 has absolutely nothing,

Name a PC sim game that has better visuals than GT5.
Name a PC Stealth game that has better visuals than MGS4
Name a PC arcade racer to top Motorstorm2.
Name a PC adventure game that trumps Uncharted2.
Name a PC baseball game to trump MLB
Name a PC game that trumps Little Big Planet

Crysis is 1 game. They dont' have retail releases for baseball/carsims/anything. The PC isn't the bar for visuals of genres just FPS. And even then, no one is targeting it for their "COULD THE 360 RUN A PC GAME" article, since we are talking consoles and graphics. Not 1 pc game.

The PC used to be the bar when PC dev's made PC games to prove that point, this is no longer the case as PC games are multiplatform games that just have better phys-x or directx use. GT5 is the bar for visuals for console and PC in sims. this is a fact. PC games don't release much, just multiplat games. Generally the unreal engine is used over, and over.

No 360 game can ever claim that.

Way to own yourself.

PC gaming isn't what Ninja Theory/Epic games claims they are reaching with their new release, no. Its PS3 games.Always has been, always will be.

The PC can produce better visuals than a PS3, sure. But thats not the bar for visuals for consoles. PS3 games are.

Uncharted2 won more awards than Half life2. Food for thought. And way more than any PC game.

[Gam3s4lif3]

lol u wud be comparing for ps3 games...everyone know tht a gaming pc is more powerful than a ps3

[Comet]

Holy crap man, that's so true...
The only thing PC has going for it are the Real-time strategies, MMOs, and people who prefer moving their hands (mouse) over their thumbs (joysticks) on First-person shooters.

On PC, graphics may surpass consoles depending on your gfx card but the PS3 console has the games.

[CellularDivinization]

@Number47
1. Splinter Cell
2. Starfox/Snake
3. RPGMaker
4. (dont play sports games)
5. Need4Speed
6. Monkey Island
7. Devil May Cry 4
8. Starfox(again)
9. Battlefield 1942
10.Call of Duty (lol im serious)
11.Forza 3
12.Forza 3
13.(i dont play karaoke games, im a man)

Bottom questions:
1. Red Dead Redemption... And its on PS3 also, so MORE players can enjoy this great game :D
2. Morrowind, Team Fortress 2
3. May be wrong with this, but Portal, and maybe GTA
4. Why are you relying on articles? You are so used to hearing what you want to hear from N4G, that you can only really cling to articles for facts

And for your next post:
Better game with better graphics than GT5= Crysis
Better stealth game than MGS4= imo, Thief
Better arcade racer= pc has racers?:S
Better game than UC2= Gears2 , Enslaved
Better PC baseball game= again, I dont play sports games, and i dont think you do neither
Better game than LBP= Garys Mod(definitely), RPGMaker, 3D game maker, Flash....

[Ju]

Oh, yep. Nice list above. All I needed to know. LOL /s (I got a front seat in the comedy club, huh ?)

[tacosRcool]

PS3 is the way to go!

[MNicholas]

still believes that the 360 is in the same league as the PS3 when it comes to raw performance.

Just look at how Forza 3, which is built on an engine that was continuously improved for 5 years, looks next to GT5 despite GT5 operating at a much higher resolution with twice as many cars per race.

The 360 still doesn't have a game that beats Uncharted 1. Many were hoping that Alan Wake would be the one but that failed on multiple levels, including resoltion (540P).

[xboxlj]

I find it funny how the PS3 fan boys spend so much time commenting and defending there console on this site. While the 360 supporters are too busy enjoying there system to care what some snotty nosed, 13yo brat has to say.

[GarandShooter]

And yet here you are defending your console...happy hypocrisy!

[xboxlj]

I was at work and waiting for my code to compile while I wrote this. Which btw is the only time I comment on this site.

[Jazz4108]

the ps3 can't even handle multiplat games and when u ask the majority of the devs including the heavenly sword creators they claim the ps3 is just too hard to program. Ps3 wins with exclusives and 360 wins hands down with multiplats. With live and 0 installs and firmware updates I will take the 360 over the ps3 any day and I do as I own both consoles.

[1Victor]

any game can be made/port for any console remember the halo on gameboy advance now will it be the same experience who knows but in my opinion I don't think so just look at the old ports from back in the days there was game that run better on one console and few people cared about it as long as the game was good.
disagree with a reply.

[ChickeyCantor]

O look uninformed "techies".

As far as I can tell 360 might not have a cell, it still has 3 CPU's with Hyper threading. If used well you can get allot of power out of it.

Take off the fanboy goggles and be a bit realistic.

[bill02138]

but it's a pretty bad architecture.

Not only is it 3 really slow processors, it's 1MB cache causes a lot of cache misses.

It's weak and inefficient according to it's designer.

[Consoldtobots]

yeah I dont think these kids get it, there is no bus on the 360 that can make good use of the dual threaded processors. It's like trying to drive 3 cars at once by yourself.

[ChickeyCantor]

Hurpu durr durr.

If a system is utilized exclusively for software it can always do powerful stuff.

[360 man]

yes it can be done.

Star Wars: Force Unleashed 2 already looks better

the graphics dont lie. fast forward to 1:40 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Ju]

GTFO, man.

[bill02138]

In infamous 2, glowing objects cast light in real time, illuminating nearby objects.

Not so with Force Unleashed 2. The light sabres appear to glow but, in fact, aren't processed as light sources. As a result they do not illuminate nearby objects. Nearly all the lighting in that video is baked.

Even some PS2 games had more dynamic lighting than Force Unleashed.

For example, Champions: Return to Arms on PS2 had dynamic lighting and bump-mapping, smoke effects, and actual 3D interactive wave simulation among other cutting edge (at the time) features.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[talltony]

Bringing up the force unleashed 2 when it performs better on ps3 according to digital foundry.

"According to his figures, The Force Unleashed II's motion blur eats up 2.2ms of resources on Xbox 360 (give or take 0.4ms), while the five-SPU-powered PS3 version is much faster at 1.4ms (give or take 0.5ms). Compare this with the frame-rate upscaler, which runs at 1.5ms on 360, and 1.4ms on PS3 (again parallelised over five SPUs)."

"While there is some disappointment at not seeing this technique in the final, shipping game, what we've seen of the motion blur system in the Xbox 360 proof of concept looks good, and based on info revealed at the SIGGRAPH talk, the PS3 version should have a significant quality advantage."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[bill02138]

What the powerpoint put out by the Force Unleashed 2 developers showed was that the PS3's Cell processor performs, what is traditionally, a GPU operation, about 2-4x faster than the Xbox360's GPU.

This is why having the Cell onboard is such an advantage. It's almost like having a second GPU.

[360 man]

ps3 fanboys on this site are getting really rediculous. some of the comments ive read on this page are outrageous. you guys must thing the 360 is at the same power as the wii or something loool.

please you guys need to stop being delusional and open your eyes

[solar]

these articles are great. arguing over HD consoles still 5 years behind in technology from the PC when said consoles were released. you guys are great.

[xJxdOggyStYLe]

handle multi platform games..answer..NO lol

[360 man]

looooooooool

[Dark Collosis]

I own both consoles. ID is Dark Collosis for both. I own and beat IF1, and it was a great game but the graphics were nothing special. Both AC2 and RDR are much better looking games. I expect more from IF2 but to say the 360 cant do it is nothing but PR bullshoot.. I dont think PS3 games are that much better than the 360 games(including UC2/GoW3/ and KZ2).. So many fanboys on here... O btw my 360 gets played 4 times more often than my PS3 for the record...

[princejb134]

infamous 1 was excellent
beat it 3 times already
but
i know the fanboys gonna get me on this
i think the xb360 could handle this game
but it cant handle gow=]

[TechnicalBS]

Yes it can. If they were to port the game, they would have to downgrade the graphics and put the game in multiple disc. I wouldn't care if the graphics were inferior or in multiple disc, it's the game in general that interest me, not the graphics.

It's probably never going to happen, but with so many companies going multiplatform, I wouldn't be surprised. I'm not holding my breath, though.

[spacetattoo]

SIMPLE YES IT CAN, SHUT UP.

[SkylineR]

http://xbox360media.ign.com...
Gears 3

http://cdn.medialib.compute...
infamous 2

Clearly that guy was patting his fat Sony cheque as he said that.

Both games aren't finished, yet Gears 3 already looks better. And on "inferior" tech.

[Ju]

Back to "bullshots" vs. "gameplay", aren't we ?

Gotta throw everything in what you got, I suppose.

[Consoldtobots]

what I find hilarious is that the 360 bullshot doesn't look much better than the Infamous 2 SCREENSHOT!! oh lawd....lol

[saladthieves]

Saying that a game such as "infamous 2" is "impossible" would be absurd. In the way the game is designed, implemented and running on the PS3 as of now, then no, the 360 wouldn't work.

[gedapeleda]

If they really are using 50% of teh cell why it's not 1080p

[360 man]

exactly. its all PR bullsh!t

[avengers1978]

If sucker punch says no then no, if they are utilizing the power of the PS3 then No the 360 can't do it.

[lazysey]

You fanboys are full of yourselves. Its whether Sucker Punch can handle the Xbox 360 or not and how they work with what hardware is infront of them. Look at Crysis 2, Crytek optimized that for each system and it was PC-only capable game. Get your head out of the gutter.

[Natsu X FairyTail]

yes but probably on 2 disc and with a lower resolution and more jaggies.

edit @ Killzone3Helghast below : How am I playing fanboy? gtfo I dont want no bubbles back I'm telling the truth Like I always do.

Lames can Die SLow

[tatotiburon]

the first infamous size was 7gb and i don't think that sequel will be 25gb or more hahaha....so i call this bs...killzone 2 is only 12gb

[JUDALATION]

nuff said

[edhe]

*cough* DVDs *COUGH*

And they're 9GB officially with less than that available.

Hence the DVD9 part of things.

[TreMillz]

Most 360 games are below 6GBs, PS3 games use the processor it has to look so good and play well, thats why when people use the reach has so and so argument it means nothing.

[SilverSlug]

I read somewhere that MS DRM takes a chuck of disc space, so since double layer is a little over 7gb, it would most likely be compressed some more to reach the single disc.

But inFamous 2 already has more diverse locations, bigger textures and such. 2 disc for sure.

As for textures looking worse and more jaggies, we won't know that. But the game is Sony only, so Xbox fans can keep dreaming or get a PS3. You know, now that Gears 3 is delayed, they have nothing exclusive for the first 8 months of 2011.

[plb]

Yeah but xbox 360 games need to reserve a certain amount of space on disc for security and such. I forget the exact amount.

[Persistantthug]

No game can cross that 6.8GB

http://www.stripesonfire.co...

[Killzone3Helghast]

playing fanboy won't get your bubs back

[edhe]

Surely if it were multiplat it'd be a higher res with better AA like almost every other multiplat?

:D

edit:Oh cheer up folks ffs, this is a gaming site not a wake.

[SilverSlug]

hum?

[vhero]

Now that is fanboy thinking..

[karlowma]

lower resolution? more jaggies?

a bit off considering the 360 is the machine that can actually do multi-sample anti aliasing.

the ps3 has talented first-party devs but they are working with pretty limited video hardware. the cell processor is more advanced in that it can handle more ai and physics calculations.

[SonyPS360]

It's usually the Ps3 version that has those problems when games are multi plat :)

[KiRBY3000]

oh really? heard of FFXIII?

i think you meant when games are PORTED.

[theonlylolking]

Infamous 1 the 360 could handle but 2? Nope

[beast242tru]

every sony dev always say same thing who knows mabe thier rite but it funny as hell but infamous 2 dose look wiked explosions and the lightning tornado oh yeah PLAY B3YOND

[iammason]

Maybe if the 360 had the cell, than yeah. But does that mean it really couldn't be done at all?

No.

Fanboys will obviously use this against Xbox fans.

Again... so many fanboys on this site.

[WetN00dle69]

Nothing ever changes!
They have been using the same remark ever since the PS3 graced us with its presence! TO them the PS3 main and only feature is THE CELL!
BUT what about the RSX? That video card has proven to be a BEAST!
Much of the PS3s graphical prowess is all thanks to the RSX!

[Dark_king]

The GPU seems like a beast only because off the cell.Take the cell out and the 360 gpu out performs it for the most part.

[solar]

if the Cell was so good why did IBM/Sony drop it like a bad habit? thats what makes me laugh when i hear "Power of the Cell" from the fanboys.

[MasterA]

There are a lot of open world multiplatform games that run fine on the 360. Infamous 2 would be no exception.

[despair]

but none of them looks like Infamous 2, Infamous 1 probably would work on the x360 but 2 doesn't look like it could, unless you want to swap disks in an open world game, and it will be FFXIII all over again, reduced textures and quality to save space.

[Oldsnake007]

3 words, RED DEAD REDEMPTION !!

are you seriously sayong that infamous 2 is bigger than RDR ? LMAO !111111

[Elven6]

Just Cause 2 is one of the biggest console games ever made and it looks pretty good.

More disc space does not always mean bigger world size, in the end it's down to the hardware and how it can handle texture streams and such.

[Troll_Police]

@OLDSNAKE

Bad comparison. Red Dead Redemption is a huge ghost town with nothing going on. That's the only reason it fit on 1 DVD. Infamous 2 has buildings everywhere, cars everywhere, people walking around everywhere, and a lot more going on. Red Dead Redemption is bare, you'll see a man on a horse every so often but nothing going on.

[Chris_TC]

Yo, Troll Police. Time to arrest yourself.

[DigitalAnalog]

3 Words:

Empty.Open.Re-used lands.

Don't believe me, I can throw your character in a random direction and you won't even know which way is which unless you've got that "convenient" looking GPS for some strange reason existed back in 1900. Graphics are the same to GTAIV except that is has less people, less interaction, less towns, etc etc etc etc...

The only thing it going is a BETTER story. All other aspects, InFamous 2 destroys it.

-End statement

[units]

http://t1.gstatic.com/image...

http://www.nextgn.com/wp-co...

[Solid_Snakeps3]

@Oldsnake007
does John or Jack shoot lightning off his hands?

NO

[despair]

what I'm saying is coming from what I've seen. I've played Red Dead Redemption and Just Cause 2 and size of the open world doesn't mean detail, just look at morrowind, a tiny game that probably won't even fill a CD but huge world to explore.

RDR and Just Cause 2 have their moments but compared to the graphics from Infamous 2 demos shown they will not match, sure Just Cause has some great island vistas and locales but character, building and vehicle models don't match, and that's from me playing the PC version on max settings.

RDR is in the running for my GOTY, I loved that game, but it was clear to see that they limited the landscape population, occasional texture and even the game length for the disk size, huge game but when compared to the time you can spend on other Rockstar games its not close to the largest in side missions or story.

Sucker Punch Said that Infamous 1 used 20-30% of the PS3 power and Infamous 2 will use around 50-60% that means the game uses twice the than the first, that alone means better textures, physics, particle effects and a lot more.

Also seeing as this a sequel its a safe bet to say the game will be on a larger more detailed scope than the first, plus the huge improvement of the graphics leads me to conclusion that it will use a lot more space than the 6GB that the first game used.

That's what I said, I have no idea if the X360 Hardware will be able to run infamous 2 but as far as disk space is concerned it will be on multiple disks and I haven't seen any Open World games use Multiple disks efficiently.

Plus with the charging by MS to developers when they exceed 3 or 3 disks(can't remember which) its more of a deterrent to exceed that limit so thats partly why the quality of FFXIII graphics was lowered for the X360.

Oh and when the hell did I say it would be a larger world than any other game.

[Mista T]

Rage from iD comes to mind, of course Infamous 2 is possible on 360.

[Simco876]

Don't know if this is true, but if it is, its looking good for the PS3 in the future.

I am glad I got a PS3 instead of an XBOX, (IMO) exclusives are way better.

[edhe]

Glad you enjoy your purchase, you should always buy the platform that *you* want to have as a result of how *you* feel about the games on the platform.

After all it's all up to personal *choice* and *opinion* about what is most value to you.

edit: wonders where booyah7 is.

[MasterA]

Maybe a RAW processing power comparison between Red Dead Redemption(360) and Infamous 2 would outline a clear representation. A game doesn't have to use all processing power to look

[clintos59]

This never gets old lol.

[alphakennybody]

it's possible but it would turn out like crackdown, oudated graphic and oudated animation outdated everything.

[sayonara89]

It can but with worse graphics/framerate/both.

[ipe]

lmao at RDR, aka huge game

empty wasteland with few "towns", chuparosa, blackwater,armadilo..., maybe 1 or 2 more cant remember, each with few houses, and YES first infamous was bigger than RDR in terms of buildings, houses......cant say about infamous 2.

OT. we ll never now how d inf.2 run on 360 and i dont care, it ll be only on ps3. U can say all u want about this talk from ps3 devs, but from my experience with games this gen( over 40 titles in collection) ps3 exclusives leads the race by the mile. I ll never forget the day when i loaded up kz2 on 1080p tv, what a shock.

[cliffbo]

if the 360 is capable of games that look as good as the 1st party games on the ps3 then why are there none out, after all it had a year head start on the ps3 it is easier to program for according to all the programmers out there, and yet there is still nothing that even comes close to the quality of the ps3 gfx's or amount going on, most 360 games have hardly anything happening gears of war is a good example of this still a good game but amount going on is very little.

[CWMR]

More fanboy nonsense. Again with the "no 360 game comes close to the PS3 exclusives". What a load of crap. None of the top games on either console are all that different from each other in pure graphical terms. I've always agreed that Uncharted 2 has the edge over Gears of War 2, but that's all it has ever been - an edge. Gears of War 3, however, easily equals or surpasses Uncharted 2.

And do you honestly think there is "more going on" in Uncharted 2 than Gears of War 2? I mean, seriously?

[Ravage27]

not sure if you have played U2. UC2's environment has way 'more going on' than Gear's dead background.

[Belasco]

I must agree, I do own and use my Ps3, but the only game that has truly impressed as something that stands out against any 360 exclusive is Uncharted 2. Other than that I am actually a little disappointed.

[WLPowell]

Suure Uncharted 2 had "just an edge" over Gears 2 graphics-wise. The character models alone had somewhere between 2 times and 3 times more polygons... just the character models.

http://www.psxextreme.com/p...

http://www.stonetrip.com/de...

But I guess if you've gotten this far refusing to see it, there's no point in facts now.

[talltony]

Compare Uncharted 1 to Gears 2

http://www.kineticninja.blo...

Deny this I dare you.

[magus]

I wish you guys would stop falling for these stupid articles. Can so and so handle this and already theres like 60 to 100 hundred comments. I would like to hear more about games that are in delvopement or about to be.

[bustamove]

...Stupid article is stupid.

[Dark_king]

Its a large open world game needs all the data on 1 disc.So no,breaking it apart could work if it were being designed from the start for that.but right now missions would cross discs witch doesn't break the game just the mood.I expect this game to be at least twice the size of the last.

[Fat_Dude]

the answer is: unknown..........

[Lannient]

I honestly don't know how to explain it but, games like uncharted 2,lbp, and killzone...those games have real physics. I have a 360 and I enjoy it, but honestly, if you compare the physics in the ps3 exclusives to the ones on 360...idk the ps3 just smashes all 360 exclusives.. Im not trying to be a fanboy either, this is the truth. The 360 can produce next gen graphics but, I have yet to play a game on my 360 or any system for that matter, that feels anything like uncharted 2, infamous, or killzone. Those games look, and feel next gen. Halo...no, gears...sorry but no..fable 2..no. People need to face facts and give the ps3 some credit, the system is the most powerful console on the market (excluding pc...its not a console)

[LiquifiedArt]

~ Truth.

Its not a bad thing, its just how it is.

[ManiacMansion]

The PS3 is the most powerful hardware on earth.. just look on the 5 games out of 1000 available which prove it, lol!

[thewhoopimen]

Using your stunted logic, lets' look at the 0 out of 1500+ titles and 5 years that the 360 that sit at proof of your denial and your fanboy inferiority complex

[Makidian]

I will tend to believe that if the dev says it's so then it is, they are making the game. Sucker Punch was pretty candid about the question that was posed, especially since the question is completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

That said, if I was a developer I would try to do it just to see what happens, the results would certainly be intersting.

[Styile]

Final Fantasy 13 lol...

[SpinalRemains138]

If another team who actually codes for 360 set out to develop Infamous2 for it, they would do exactly that. The game would be written for the 360 and it would run fine. It isn't as if Infamous 2 is doing anything spectacular that other games haven't done. If the world is really big, then I suppose the game would be made on multiple discs like other 360 titles, but to ASSUME that the 360 cannot somehow do this game is ignorant.

I do not like 360 and I sold mine a couple years ago, but the 360 does have great looking games. Infamous 2 does not blow them away. These types of articles are propoganda at its best.

Loving PS3 does not make the games better.

[MetalFreakMike]

This whole article is pointless because Infamous was made to work off of the Cell processor. This is why it would not work on the 360. Also, the Cell has a lot of processing power to spare unlike the 360's processor. This whole discussion is one big flamebait clusterf*ck. It really does not matter what anyone says because someone is going to disagree with them and call each other fanboys.

[BullCrap]

RAM is only used to give specific commands to the SPE's. VRAM is used to only give a boost when all 7 SPE's are chained together to create a image. Lets do some research people before you spew nonsense and embarrass yourselfs. Answer is no, Xbox cannot handle this game due to the fact it is running on 7 SPE's in the Cell. http://www.blachford.info/c...

[SpinalRemains138]

The way the game is designed now it cannot. Is it unreasonable to suggest that the 360 could not run the same game specifically coded for its own architecture? That's the point. Of course a game designed for the PS3 won't run. You could produce the same game using different variables for the 360 though. Could you not? Get the same effects using different methods??

The point of the article is to suggest that the 360 is somehow vastly inferior. I'm trying to play devil's advocate here. I would think the same game could be produced for the 360. It would utilize different methods to acheive the same goals. There's always more than 1 way to skin a cat. Am I wrong? Just doesn't seem to me that the 360 has any awful games that support the article. The 2 systems look side by side in terms of quality to me.

[SpinalRemains138]

If a team were given enough time and resources and told to build the most beautiful efficient game for the 360........ they would! We're talking about code and efficiency. Different methods to achieve different effects. The 360 can do some great things, provided the dev has enough time to write it. That's the deal with all systems. When you hit a brick wall, you tunnel under it.

[XabiTheHumble]

This convo is boring nobody knows what there talking about in the comments section. All these fanboys are trying to act like tech experts and its embarrassing. Can infamous 2 run on the 360? Who knows. Does the fact that another PS3 exclusive looks better than anything on the xbox 360; even though the 360 has been out longer and easier to develop for stress the fact that it can't be done? Who knows, but it sure does favor the statement.

[SpinalRemains138]

I am just tired of reading how the ps3 is so vastly superior to the 360 when year after year both consoles make great games. I prefer the PS3 and really love it, but I just find it ignorant to throw the Cell around as if it is this God almighty of console development.

What exactly has the PS3 done that would be technically impossible for the 360 to do? UC2?? I dunno. I would think that the 360 could make a game that looks like UC2 if they had a team to do it.

[BullCrap]

Its impossible for the 360 to achieve the processing power on the same level as the 216 teraflops the PS3 does. Just name one game on the 360 that achieves more than 3.2 700mhz. This is why this gen has been serverely handicaped.

[SpinalRemains138]

Those are numbers. Gamers play games. We do not have diagnostic tools. We have controllers. We have eyes.

Both consoles make great games, and we don't need diagnostics to confirm that. That's all I'm saying. If these teraflops can make that much of a difference for the PS3, then why are the 360 games still looking and playing basically the same?

[The_Zeitgeist]

@ BullCrap

You need to realize that Sucker Punch have just as much to gain by talking down the competition as Sony does.

[XabiTheHumble]

At least this guy gives off the impression that he knows what he is talking about.

[Belasco]

Sorry, but this gen is nowhere near the handicap we had to suffer as Xbox users last gen because of the Ps2, if there is any handicap at all.

[The_Zeitgeist]

What is the point of this article? I expect more from CVG, because this is just fishing for hits.

[BullCrap]

If all you do is look at the picture, then PS3 exclusives FTW. Havent seen one game on the 360 that even comes close.

[BullCrap]

Its becuase developers dont want one version looking drasticly better than the other for sales reasons. If one version looked like the wii and one looked like a PS3 exclusive. Why would anyone buy the inferior version.

[Queasy]

Sony owns the IP and simply won't allow its first-party developers to touch it. Also, the developers are apparently under contract to say that the Xbox 360 can't handle any PS3 exclusive games because they pull out this same tired line with every friggin' release.

[MR LOOKINGBILL]

of course iit can case close.

[gypsygib]

360 couldn't handle many of PS3's exclusives but PS3 could handle all of 360s exclusives.

[Optical_Matrix]

No. If Sucker Punch is using the Cell in conjunction with the RSX GPU for the game then 360 can't handle Infamous 2. It doesn't have the Cell nor does the Xenon work the same way the Cell does. So at this stage. No it can't. Anyways I'm sick of these graphical hypothesis'. The 360 has yet to achieve graphics on the same level at 2007's Uncharted 1. Talk about 2011 games when it has overcome that.

[blackburn5]

If you look at KZ3, Last Guardian, GT5 and Infamous 2 any true gamer would have to admit that Sony's exclusives are hard to beat. I mean a game is more than just graphics of course, so why is it that people get upset whenever anyone says that a PS3 exclusive is graphically superior? From the beginning of the life of the PS3 we all knew that it was a powerhouse that was hard to handle. And now that people have learned to harness it why are you surprised? I mean why else do you think developers are always trying to compare their games to PS3 exclusives? Infamous to Prototype, Enslaved to UC2, Dante Inferno to GOW3, Forza to GTA.Like spinal remains said we have eyes. We can see the difference.

[The EDGE]

sounds like a lot of 360 fanboy crying to me... if the 360 could've they would have done so by now, how long do we really have to wait? I guess the 360 team isnt as talented or have the resources to do games like UC2 and so on.

[gypsygib]

A good example of 360s relative lack of power is Reach (which I love). The game never has that feeling of being on a battlefield because of a lack of post processing, debris and smoke - the 360 struggles on that game and nothing is really going on on the screen. It never feels like i'm immersed in a war like Killzone 2. War needs smoke and debris and destruction, all of that is missing from Reach. Still I've put almost 30 hrs in it already so graphics can't be everything.

[units]

obviously no idea what you are talking about

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[gijsbrecht]

Read your Eurogamer article; I still don't see where is says that Reach is on par with KZ2, if that is what you mean. All it says it's one of the best on the 360; that's all.

[units]

http://www.1up.com/news/qua...

http://www.destructoid.com/...

The only thing Sony has going for them over the 360, is the data storage on the blu-ray..."

"...the only real advantage that the PS3 has over the 360, from our point of view, is the extra space."

"Yeah, I mean that's our position that it's almost unequivocal across the board that the 360 is a better platform to develop for. When you get down into actual comparisons on the hardware performance characteristics, it's not quite an apples to apples comparison. On almost anything on the strictly graphical side, in terms of pushing vertexes and triangles on there, the 360 hardware is superior to the PS3's RSX on there."

"On the processing side it's a little bit more complicated, where the main processor on the PS3 is roughly equivalent to one of the three processors on the 360. But then you wind up saying, you have to compare two other symmetric processors on the 360 versus the eight quirky cell processors. And that comes down to one of those questions, where if you just look at the raw numbers, the cells are much more powerful. Many more flops on there, in theory you can do a lot more, but that's where you come to the difference between theory and practice. And given an infinite amount of development time on there, you can craft a program that's gonna work more efficiently on the cells there than on two additional processors on the 360. But given a finite amount of development time, it's much-much easier to get things working well on the 360 than it is on the PS3. And that's pretty much the case across the board."

"And the other major difference is the memory partitioning. Where they're both 512mb machines, but on the PS3 it's partitioned into 256mb of video and 256mb of main. And one of the biggest things that Sony does poorly for developers is their system stuff sucks up a lot more resources than it does, than Microsoft's does on the 360. So memory is much more painful on the PS3. We spend a lot more time trying to crunch down the memory for that..."

"...and we're trying to say pretty plainly that this is going to be the one thing that the PS3 version is gonna be better at, and in fact it's almost the worst sort of thing for Microsoft there because we are having to work twice as hard on the PS3 to bring it up to spec. But in the end it's going to be 60fps game, and it's going to wind up looking just like the 360, we just had to sweat lot more for it. And if it winds up getting a benefit because of the blu-ray and having the better compression on there, then it's going to wind up looking like the PS3 was the better machine, even though it really wasn't..."

[The EDGE]

great... articles from 1up,eurogamer and destructoid... need i say more

[SaberEdge]

oh noz, teh biaz! Amirite?

What does it matter where it's quoted? Those are words straight out of Carmack's mouth. Other developers have said similar things.

[chad22hkd]

it could but just with far less physics, enemies on screen, and at a lower resolution. Especially since so much compress would be used for dvd. But that being built for the cell, would probably be one jacked up port to the 360. Look ps3 is more powerful. It just is, and has been since the day it released. But it not like its a generation ahead of xbox. It doesn't make your games look like the wii. You know whats funny the most powerful console never comes in first. Think about it. 3do, Neo geo, nintendo 64, x box, psp, ps3. It's weird, i think it's just because more power is more expensive.

[labwarrior]

Which has very standard and ordinary visuals, mostly looking boring and copy/pasted

Good luck with that, the game just looks boring and nothing even close to great visually

[SaberEdge]

I agree that Rage, RDR, and Alan Wake look better, but not Mafia 2. At least not the console versions. They both had way too much screen tearing. Infamous 2 is still a great looking game.

[pyramid121]

Mafia 2? Alan wake? the 540p linear game? AHAHAHAHA

Infamous 2 boring and not great visually?

I wouldn't belive a word from a guy who thinks Mafia 2 and a 540p glorified silent hill rip-off aka Alan wake is better looking game.

why do you have multiplats on your list where ps3 can play it too? wats wrong no exclusive for 2011?

you just further proved 2 things in your post.
1. 360 is weak system, exclusives like 540p Alan wake and mafia 2 is the best you can give?
2. 360 indeed has barely any games for 2011.

[Raoh]

its not that a game cant run on another console its that when you take advantage of a consoles strengths you move away from any possibility of middleware tools and even if you could use some tools you would still have to remove some aspects of the game.

for instance, killzone 2 could have run on the 360 during the early stages of development probably but then when you start using the spu's individually to run audio on one, ai on another etc you loose middleware translation.

while its also said that the dvd on the 360 is faster than the ps3's blu ray, many fail to mention that the 360 only transfers about 17mb of data per spin, the ps3 transfers about 34mb per spin.

7.1 audio.. nuff said..

images and audio can be created in high res and high audio quality and basically placed in the game as is in its high res glory.. on the 360 you would need to lower the resolution and compress. so you can get the images in the 360 but they wont be their original resolution.

killzone 2 had a lot of particle effects and smoke etc in the background, lending to difficulty of vision during gameplay.. sure you could build killzone 2 from the ground up to run on the 360, but a few of those lighting and particle effects would have to be removed from the game to run on the 360.

large open world games that are third party have had almost the same results. some graphical bonuses to the 360 version but little to no pop in artifacts on the ps3 while on the 360 stuff loads slower.

this is why halo runs great on the 360, bungie worked on teh 360's strenghts and didnt try to run things it couldnt. its a large setting with little to now extras. low res images. sub hd. and its runs like a dream.

when a company tries to make a game equal its hard to do. there is no loading or installing or sub hd on ps3 when its exclusive so it too has the ability to run games just as smooth as halo but the ps3 games can have a lot more happening. the resistance games have a lot going on in the background and in the sky.

so i dont sound bias, including xbox live features wont translate well into the ps3 games.. unless its all handled by the third party dev servers, relying on the psn and 360 will result in things that can only be done on the 360.

people take things too personal when comments like this are made by ps3 devs. its a bit of promotion and lip service but its also not far from the truth.

can you make a good racing game on the 360? forza proves that yes you can.. but gt5 proves that when you push the quality to the max.. it outpaces the 360.

this is another reason i dont want another playstation until at least 2014/2015.. the ps3 is barely maxed out.. if killzone 3 is the max, that means we still have a lot games that can be made at max settings for a few years. a maxed out game does not mean the end of a consoles life cycle.

[Shaman]

For killzone 2 i dont agree at all.They could even crank up particle effects on 360 and all that in their full res because of big eDRAM badwidth.

[blackburn5]

Thank you Raoh . Very well said. It is good to hear some intelligence for once instead of a bunch of PS3 bias talk. No one ever said that 360 doesn't have it's strengths but it also has weaknesses as well.The PS3 is no different.Each game is made according to the systems strengths and weaknesses. Each developer sacrifices or adapts to what ever the system can or cannot do.Sucker Punch decided that the PS3 could do what they wanted to accomplish and the 360 couldn't.Of course they could have tried to put it on the 360 but would probably get different results. Stop acting like it's an insult or something.

[gamer2010]

No, it's stupid for developers that are either owned by Sony or only make games for Sony to constantly be spewing this marketing hype BS.

Other 3rd party developers have directly contradicted what they say. Besides, they don't make games for the 360 so they really aren't qualified to be talking about its limits or capabilities.

[YoshiMeetsU]

Thank you Gamer2010.

So in other words blow it our your pie hole Sucker Punch.

They just joined my hated loud mouth developer list.

[madjedi]

@gamer2010 & yoshi But if turn ten or bungie or epic had said the same about a 360 exclusive, it would be gospel right, whatever bot and immature 15 yr old bot yoshi.

Now till infamous 2 goes gold, can the bots stop comparing a unfinished game to a released game already, it kinda sad.

And if rdr is as dead as fallout 3 was color me unimpressed, huge spaces with next to nothing in them, only the below ground areas or were decent.

Now when the 360 can have something like, rachet and clanks insane arena battles with effects out the ass, then i'll pay attention.

Did these developers make multiplatform games or exclusives, cause if it's only mp, that negates their opinion.

2 things people are forgetting sp is owned by sony, he has to toe the company line. Second he is probably doing the same thing we bash the shit out of each other for doing expressing our opinions.

Really 360 guys, you went from boasting about kick ass exclusives, and in the past 6 months-a year, downgraded to boasting about superior multiplatform games.

That's like bragging to your buddy, your girlfriend is slightly less ugly than his girlfriend is, it's not like your screw megan fox or any other hot chick.

But the way some of you 360 guys talk them up, i would think your talking about 360 exclusives not mp games.

[The EDGE]

Alan wake was mediocre at best , mafia 2 was meh, RDR decent and rage isnt out yet.

[Shaman]

decent on ps3,on 360 its the best looking open world game by far...

[Dance]

halo reach is doing lot of impressive stuff on much larger scale

[omi25p]

infamous 1 yes i think it could, infamous 2 going by what i have seen it is amazing

[Goldsack]

..is the box Castlevania really on 2 discs?

Jäjä..Ps3 wins >Flawless Victory<

[Paradise Lost]

I can't imagine it on the 360.

[YoshiMeetsU]

Are we back to this crap again? Must be getting close to X-Mas.

There are MANY better looking games on the 360 than this jaggy mess Crackdown wannabe.

Of course a developer will say this sh*t to rile up the fanboys because it can never be proven either way.

SP just STFU and continue deep throating Sony because 360 gamers could give a sh*t about your product.

[pyramid121]

wanna be? why would Infamous want to be a mediocre REHARSH that is sitting @ 70 in METACRITIC?

[Goldsack]

LOL..Cole raped the bloodiest hell out of Mehdown.

and here we go again... infamous (2009) > crackdown 2 (2010)

[hoops]

LOL
Another one of these BS articles.
Good grief. Both the PS3 and the Xbox360 cannot even run 5% of its games at 1080p 4xAA with all high res textures.
Why do we continue to have these BS articles?

What will be funny is when the next generation starts and IF the "power" shifts from Sony to MS or Nintendo...how will all these people on N4G.COM react?

Just like last generation when the Xbox1 and Gamecube blew away the PS2 graphically, MS fanboys always ranted how graphics mattered....Sony fanboys ranted how GAMEPLAY matters...
Look at this generation. It's MS fanboys saying how GAMEPLAY MATTERS and Sony Fanboys stating how GRAPHICS matter.
It's coming...like how hypocrites were exposed last generation.
Oh the hyprocrisy of console only gamers. You will see all the people crying how graphics matter for the PS3 might well end up doing a 180 saying the PS4 is about GAMEPLAY if that system is the weakest...then watch the MS clown fanboys also do a 180 and say how GRAPHICS MATTER if the next Xbox ends up with more power....
If the Next Wii ends up with the most power....Nintendo fanboys won't give a shit LOL

[BillOreilly]

who cares the ps3 is prob a little more powerful but i dont see much of a difference between alan wake and uncharted. Sure uncharted looks a little better but not enough to really matter. They are both amzing games that look damn good and blow 99 percent of other games away.

[hoops]

Thats the funny part. The differences between the way games look on these consoles is minimal. The edge going to the PS3 for exclusives.
But the differences is not mind blowing as some fanbys on this site want to rant about.
The reason being both consoles are outdated with 5 year old tech and only 512 megs of overall RAM

[Belasco]

Thank you hoops, finally a voice of reason!

[FwanK]

if infamous 2 were running on the unreal engine 3 at 25 fps and 500p

YES

[Holeran]

It is really funny all of these debates keep stirring every time anyone brings them up. I own both machines and I think both have their strengths. First off 360 is easier by far to code for obviously which in a lot of ways helps developers and the gaming community. But as far as graphics there should be no debate on it, the PS3 so far has shown time and again that it has the superior graphics for exclusive titles and anyone that wants to really debate that either has not looked at the best visuals from each system or has fanboy goggles, on simple as that. As which is more powerful I don't know, they both have different strengths but as far as visuals the 360 has never shown us graphics on par with PS3 exclusives.

[Holeran]

And what could you honestly disagree with that I just stated?

[JohnSimpleTon]

If you read between the lines he's basically implying that the 360 can't even match up to half of the power of the PS3. But then he backs up his opinion wonderfully by saying that it's all based speculation since they've never actually worked on the 360's hardware. jeez...I'll let N4G have this one.

[turok]

.. of n4g shudnt be listened to when it comes to tech. neogaf or some other site is a better option as save a select few, most users here dont know wtf they speak of its all fanboyism no matter how ya look at it.

[madjedi]

Considering the way post was written that isn't saying much, at least most of the fanboys post aren't written as badly as that was.

[TheLastGuardian]

Why are there so many comments on this article? Do people actually care? it doesn't fucking matter if it can be done on the 360 it's not coming to the 360.

[plb]

Show me a game on 360 that can match that of UC2, GOW III or take your pick. Then we can talk about whether or not infamous 2 can run on 360.

[hoops]

Crysis 2 might just shut some people up when its released.
This is why i love fanboys for consoles.
There is always a game that comes out that makes them look silly

[Angels3785]

1) Crysis 2 is said to run better on the ps3.
http://www.pcworld.com/arti...
2) Crysis 2 is totally dumbed down for consoles, and the graphics on the pc (which is all Crytek has shown so far). So alot of people will be in for a rude awakening when it launches faulty on consoles.

[DeathMetal]

they showed crysis on pc with crappy xbox/ps3 console settings. Pc Crysis will be a million times better than anything on consoles and in HD

[Hotel_Moscow]

saying 1 million times better is just being delusional unless 1 million shrunk in quanity since ive been in school

[Shane Kim]

People can talk numbers and shit all they want. But until I see a 360 game outperform Uncharted 2, GoW3 and soon to be KZ3, I would just shut up.

EDIT: Not to mention GT5. (Although that is an "on rails" game.)

[ReBurn]

Pretty much all of the games you mention are on rails, ie. none of them are sandbox games like Infamous 2. The only exception would be a multiplayer map in KZ3, but even then those maps aren't going to be the size or scale of the world in Infamous 2.

[Hotel_Moscow]

obviously doesnt know what on rails means last i checked when on rails you have no control of speed or direction i know ive been on a real life on rail shooter and it was fun when i was 7 at disney world or was it land the one in florida

[Shane Kim]

ReBurn, you just dodged my statement completely. I'm talking about everyone who are talking about DDR RAM, GPU, CPU, Floating points, eRAM, etc etc. Infamous aside, name me one 360 game that outperforms a PS3 exclusive in gfx.

[Qbanj69]

"That's good for us because we don't have to play to the lowest denominator of the consoles. We're playing to the PS3 and we're making a game that we can make, technology isn't limiting us."

THANK YOU. SOME1 HAD TO SAY IT.

[R_aVe_N]

I think it could handle any game you throw at it really. Will it look as good as the PS3 version most likely not. Any game could be played on the 360 you will just have some minor differences just like with most multiplatform games. In some cases you would have multi discs and that doesn't seem to upset 360 owners to much.

[playnation]

why people talk about the 360?, why fanboys? is because u feel out of the game or what? crearly that console is not being discussed here, so stop doing that.

hahahahahahah.

[xXManiakMikachuXx]

No

[Trroy]

Strange that people hold up Gears 2 as the peak of graphics on the 360. I personally thought Alan Wake looked better, despite its low resolution.

A side discussion, yes, but the truth is that the graphical "peak" of the 360 is not really as close to the PS3 "peak" games, as many people seem to believe.

Surely today, we have all come to realize that, yes, the Cell SPUs can help the RSX to the point where (A) the RSX doesn't hardly have to rely on vertex processing power, like skinning animated characters, at all because the SPUs simplify it, (B)the RSX doesn't have to waste a huge chunk of time doing AA, because the SPUs can do MLAA as a post-process, and (C) the RSX isn't limited to that dang 10MB eDRAM framebuffer (which seems great, at first glance), and has fast enough VRAM to render to several buffers and composite them without serious penalty.

Any game written to utilize the advantages of the PS3 architecture, on the whole, is not something that the 360 can emulate, without some graphical drawbacks, plain and simple. A would-be 360 version of the game would probably have to go without AA (or suffer a resolution hit), and might have to simply its rendering somewhat, since many of the shaders would be devoted to vertex processing, and the eDRAM issues would prevent some rendering techniques from being efficient enough to use.

[Cueil]

The amount of stupid on these comments is epic

[Kahvipannu]

Yeah.. And why does people care, it's not like it's coming to X0, like never, so...

[ReBurn]

I swear we just had an argument over this same interview a week or so ago.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

last week, the week before, the month before, the year before....this stupid same old lame article/argument resurfaces ALL the time.

Apparently its popular amongst the fanboys... i.e. the majority of N4G

[neoandrew]

We will see how "weak" xbox360 is when crysis 2 comes out and then again after Kingoms release.

[Angels3785]

1) Crysis 2 is said to run better on the ps3.
http://www.pcworld.com/arti...
2) Crysis 2 is totally dumbed down for consoles, and the graphics on the pc (which is all Crytek has shown so far). So alot of people will be in for a rude awakening when it launches faulty on consoles.

[Angels3785]

also lets see when kz3, uncharted 3, gt5, RAGE and Agent come out. the graphics of Crysis 2 (ON CONSOLES) are not that far superior to ps3 or other xbox games. They are good, but they wont beat uncharted

[neoandrew]

I think crysis 2 will have the best ever graphics on consoles (kingdoms also, so yes it will imo beat uncharted) so it will be obviously looking better than kz3, uncharted 3 etc.

I really don't want to make flame, just wait some time and then we all will see, and when you see then you can judge.

I think also that ps3 has more computing power than xbox360, but i think that the lack of so good looking games like kz2 , uncharted 2 etc. on xbox is due to developers laziness not hardware limitations and with the release of crysis 2 i will check i'm wrong or not.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

It's October 2010...There are mega ton games out and coming out. Big gaming conferences just happened, lots of news coming out of the shows...new hardware coming, etc...

And this article, this peice of fanboy war drivel, is what Computerandvideogames.com comes up with?

WOW...way to really put yourself out there CV. You really know how to do "investigative" reporting. This surely is what everyone needs to hear about! I don't need a preview of games, nor do I want reviews. Don't even talk to me about any of the new tech released or coming up. I absolutely dont want to know about any breaking news... NOPE, I just want to hear about how XYZ game can't run on its rival system because the developer said so. This is the stuff I need to read, and the kind of journalism that makes you the king! /sarcasm

For this article they deserve to be banned from N4G! Sadly, they probably will get more posting kudos for creating an article with a lot of "heat".

So sad....

[Moonboots]

I notice Future Publishing owns both N4G and CVG.. Coincidence??

I am with you. We are like 5 years into Xbox and these stupid arguments are still going on.

[xstation79]

madjedi must be really butthurt. He doens't have to provide a link to backup a statement that everyone knows is true anyways. Seems to me your the one with the anal fetish since you're the one who brought it up.

[lonix]

Yes, but it would look muddy and low res like Alan Wake

[Angels3785]

If the rumors of this game looking like Uncharted 2 (as an open world game) are true then never. But once again this is just a rumor. Even if this rumor is fake I still don't think it could be done.

[SirRunic]

These comments make for a good laugh. Keep it up guys.

[GoldPS3]

360 can handle Infamous 2 only if it was dumbed down.

[Ascalon94]

i own a 360 and the answer is hell no

[disturbing_flame]

seriously, who care ?

[MR LOOKINGBILL]

If all ps3 gamers think your ps3 is so much better this guy doesn't think so please watch the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Trroy]

I watched the video. Sounds like the guy in your video doesn't know how to use the XMB. He also thinks PS1 games suck, which is telling. He actually believes there aren't background DLs in regular PSN, and that you can't change assorted profile settings while playing a game. I guess he's never used the PS Store, and saw the big "Download in Background" button when you get stuff? I dunno. PSN+ only gives you background pushes of PSN+ content if you want it, it doesn't enable background DL -- that's already present.

And.. lol. He thinks Warhawk is "garbage", calls out Gears 2 and Crackdown 2 as good online games, and doesn't own MAG, despite his apparent appreciation for online gaming. I don't think he realizes how far from the common view his viewpoint is, in this regard.

[TheNocturnus]

Ok lets be honest people. I have owned a PS3 and the graphics are no better or worse than the 360. Buh Killzone and teh God of War... please, they looked good but not any better than Resident Evil 5 or GTA 4 or Call of Duty MW2. I'm tired of reading claims that the PS3 has better graphis than the 360, it is just not true. If you don't believe me then just look for yourself.

[Truth]

Maybe to YOUR eyes they looked no better than RE5, CoD MW2 and um, did you just say GTA 4 was a great looking game? Okay, well... I'll let that one slide. However, to the vast majority of gamers playing on an HD TV, yes Killzone 2, Uncharted 1/2, GT 5 and God of War 3 did look better than the games you mentioned. Leaps and bounds better.

My grandpa visited for my birthday this June and he walked into the living room in which I was playing Uncharted 2 and said, I'll never forget it, "What movie is this?" That's how major the difference is. I doubt I would have got that reaction playing RE 5 or CoD MW2 or even Killzone 2.

[TheNocturnus]

I do have an HDTV for your information and no offense your grandpa would have probably asked the same question about any current gen game during the cutscene as I'm assuming that is what he saw. And no those games did not look leaps and bounds better. I'm not saying they look bad, they look amazing just not any more amazing than the games that I mentioned. Take your blinders off and realize that there really is no graphical power difference between the 2 machines.

[Truth]

You know what happens when you assume don't ya? That's why it's better that you don't. And no, it wasn't a cutscene, it was right after the opening cutscene when the game first starts and you're climbing on the train. I set the controller down and was taking a drink of my Full Throttle when he walked around the corner, sat down on the couch and popped open a can of the Beast and made his comment.

I'm sorry yours and mine, as well as nearly all the people who've played all the games mentioned, as well as nearly all the reviewers of the games... would say that the games look good, but not better than their PS3 exclusive brethren. Hence the multitude of awards. But hey, that's why we have opinions right?

Blinders, what blinders? Oh, you think I'm a PS3 fanboy. No sir. PS3 fan yes, but I have played Halo Reach at my buddies high off our asses and had many good times. As well as Mass Effect 2 which I'll be buying for my PS3... and Fable 1&2 which I wish would come to the PS3 since I actually liked the second one. I love games, but I'm not blind either... maybe you should get your eyes checked?

Never said there was a graphical difference, just waiting for the 360 games to show it instead of their rabid fanboys stating otherwise.

[TheNocturnus]

Touche' sir. The opening of Uncharted 2 after the train wreck is badass I will admit. Why don't we agree to disagree. Funny that you mention getting my eyes checked, my vision really has become a little more blurry in the past few weeks. I think I may need glasses.

[Truth]

Aye, agree to disagree. Its all about personal preference in the long run I reckon... but yeah, its been about a year since I got my eyes checked so we're both in the same boat in that aspect.

[BlazerManZQ8]

Dang, not even when a developer says it the MS fanboys believe it!

[Tikicobra]

If it can't handle a Stranger's Wrath remake and needs two discs for Mass Effect 2, then I'd say it can't.

[Master of Unlocking]

to my surprise, the NES got Fatal Fury Special (a bootleg) back in the day, which was a Neo Geo game.

...of course the NES version looked nothing like the original Neo Geo game :p

[Kyur4ThePain]

Who cares?

[cyclindk]

Couldn't be done on a microwave either... or could it; sticks aluminum foil in microwave-

inFAMOUS!!!

[SkylineR]

http://xbox360media.ign.com...
Gears 3

http://cdn.medialib.compute...
infamous 2

Clearly that guy was patting his fat Sony cheque as he said that.

Both games aren't finished, yet Gears 3 already looks better. And on "inferior" tech.
The only thing the 360 would probably suffer from if it were ported, would be multiple discs. Oh nos. iTs tHe endz of da wurld!!!111!!1

[Gamefan12]

not saying gears 3 is a bad looking game, it looks good..

but you are comparing a bullshot ( and yes that is a bullshot ) vs a shot from beta ( who knows how early )

good job

[Nugundam0079]

ALOT of Turbo Nerds in here >_>

[yakuzakazuya]

There has never been a 360 game that has an all-around impressive graphical features as Uncharted 2.

- High-res multi-layered textures in amazing variety, very little texture repetitions compared to other games
- native 720p with no screen-tearing at consistent 30fps
- crazy environmental physics
- amazing real-time physics interactions between environments and characters (tumbling building scene)
- real-time, dynamic lightsources producing actual shadows
- SSAO
- Naughty Dog's proprietary animation system allowing for hundreds of animation variations and seamless transitions
- etc

There is no wonder Uncharted 2 won best graphics award:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

Now, I am also an xbox360 gamer. I have played all the great looking 360 games. So far not a single 360 game offers graphics that satisfies on so much aspects as Uncharted 2. Uncharted 2 is the most complete graphics package on consoles currently.

I will not to give opinions on Infamous 2 until I have played the release version for myself.

[IHateYouFanboys]

Lol at your physics statement.

Uncharted 2 uses an off the shelf physics engine - havok. The exact same physics engine is used by dozens of other games on both the ps3 and 360. In fact halo 3 uses the exact same physics engine.

Gears 2 has high res textures.
Gears 2 is 720p/30fps.
Gears 2 has SSAO.
Gears 2 has real time physics.
Gears 2 has dynamic lighting.

[IRetrouk]

how long does it take for the engine to load up those high res textures in gears 2? i know cause i have both gears so dont lie, go on how long does it take the engine?

[thewhoopimen]

Actually, Uncharted 2 uses two physics engines. For small objects like tables, boxes, and props, it uses the Havok Engine. For large destructive environments such as building, train, etc Naughty Dog came up with their own Physics engine that modeled collision interactions. (you can find this info on one of their many interviews).

Gears2 textures are inferior to Uncharted 2, we don't need to pull up the comparisons to know this. The fact that NO major publication has even tried to do a tech comparison is pretty indicative which title has the edge

Lighting... again same thing. Digital Foundry noted Uncharted2's lighting and Shadowing (particularly shadowing) are industry firsts in the sense that shadows passing underneath each other are not two shadowmap textures but actually one calculation (so no discernable overlap). Gears2 has also been proven (by http://kineticninja.blogspo... to have a mixture
of real time and pre-baked lighting, like KZ2 (only far less light sources).

[IHateYouFanboys]

@thewhoopimen:

"For large destructive environments such as building, train, etc Naughty Dog came up with their own Physics engine that modeled collision interactions. (you can find this info on one of their many interviews)"

correct, you can find it in one of the interviews. what you can also find, that you fail to mention, is that for those large environmental physics, they calculate it, render it, then script those physics into the game. they are not calculate in real-time, theyre scripted events. thats why the building will always crumble the exact same way in the helicopter bit, and why in the train section that big wooden frame that gets smashed by the tumbling carriage will always shatter and fall in exactly the same way.

Gears 2s textures are just as good if not better than Uncharted 2s. any look at actual in-game screenshots from both games - or better yet, play the games - shows this.

as for lighting and shadows, every game uses pre-baked lighting along with any dynamic lights lol. many games have no discernable overlap in shadows.

[yakuzakazuya]

Fact is Gears 2 has very limited dynamic lighting.

Look at all the environments in Gears 2. All the shadows in the environments are PRE-BAKED. They're just textures. Fake.

Uncharted 2 environments cast REAL shadows.

Come to think of it, Gears 2 lighting is A JOKE. Character shadows move all around the place irrespective of lightsources. Flashlights in Gears 2 don't even produce shadows!

And how about character models? Uncharted 2 uses 3000+ polys for main characters versus 1500+ for Gears 2.

Uncharted 2 is the benchmark for console graphics. Which is why it is respected by fellow console game developers.

[spektical]

well first we got to ignore the fact that the game is coded for the ps3.. after that, i really cant say it can.. maybe on 2 discs and have it so you insert disc 2? maybe downsize particle effects and graphics.

what makes infamous great is the gameplay, imo and if the 360 can replicate that, then more power to the 360 fanboys.

[pyramid121]

This news is so true.

Look @ the 360 5 years and still no game that TOPs KZ2 heck Im not even sure they have anything that TOPs UN1.

Seriously 5 years what does 360 have? Alan wake? 540P? Conviction 576P? Crackdown 2? 5 YEARS FFS 5 YEARS and you MS fans are still @ the "wait and see what 360 can do" excuses, admit it 360 IS WEAK.

[strickers]

Why do people always think graphics when asked about a console handling something.The reason high end PS3 games look better is not just graphics,it's the stuff going on behind.Looking at a game like Infamous 2(which I've played)it's the whole package that would not run on 360(I've seen gears 3 running 1st hand too).It's the graphics,particle fx,physics,lighting all combined to produce a more cohesive experience.360 cannot run all of it together.
I remember when Gears launched it had the best graphics compared to Resistance 1 but people didn't realise that it was at the expense of everything else(I liked Gears a lot by the way and played both games over the same time period).Gears had great textures but the AI,physics/desruction,fx,level size,number of enemies were all inferior by some margin to R1.
Power is not just visual fidelity.

[djfullshred]

I really don't care about CPU piss fights...but this quote is why I look forward to these PS3 exclusives games over multiplat ports:

"We can focus on the specific things that the PS3 provides and tailor everything on the technology specifically for it so that we can squeeze every drop out of it."

[blackburn5]

Give it up PS3 owners. No one ever credits the PS3 or Sony for anything. Uncharted 2 won 150 awards and dozens of GOTY above every game that year and still everyone tries tries to discredit it every chance they get. And now they are trying their hardest to do the same with Infamous 2, KZ3 and GT5.They still defend the 360s cookie cutter games to this day, even the cut and paste job the did with Crackdown 2.
What gets me is that how Microsoft and their supporters keep claiming that the 360 is superior but strange enough they can't breakout of second place. Last generation it was the PS2 they were chasing and now Nintendo's Wii. If the 360 is so superior how come it can't break free of the PS3 and challenge Nintendo for 1st place? They both dominated the gaming industry at some point but Microsoft's systems haven't done it in all the years they have existed. Even with a head start, lots of support, claims that it is an easier system to develop for and Sony being at their weakest they are still at this point stuck in second place trailing behind Nintendo and barely keeping away from Sony. My point is everyone is always ready to dismiss the PS3's claims of strength and power but Microsoft still hasn't proven that they are any better. All they do is throw sales figures around, claim their games are just as good and insult the other systems but the truth is they can't seem to shake off or catch either of them. If you are really better how come they can't seem to dominate the industry no matter how hard you try?

[yakuzakazuya]

Bubs for you, my feelings exactly.

I still remember the discussions here when Alan Wake was about to release. Xbox fanboys were dead certain it was going to look better than Uncharted 2. And then of course the 540p issue came up, and the diehard fanboys was still in denial mode even when gameplay screenshots emerged showing blurry textures and washed out visuals.

Those were epic days...

[floetry101]

I just got my 360 a couple of weeks ago for the Halo Reach launch, and a few days ago I bought Gears of War 2, partially because I was interested in comparing it to Uncharted 2. Quite simply, Uncharted 2 blows it out of the water, there is no question about it.

That said, I really don't care too much, I own both consoles. I own both games. Graphics are superfluous if the game plays tightly and both of them do. The graphics are a bonus.

[horndog]

why state the obvious?? Its just a shame that it took devs about 3 years to get something special out of the ps3.

[ichimaru]

was there a valid purpose for this article, or was it supposed to be flaim bait?

[Orionsangel]

No because time and time again PS3 gets inferior versions of multiplatform games. Anything the PS3 can do 360 can and usually do and better. Before you call me a Fanboy. This is coming from a person that owns both systems.

[popoyo]

xbox only 12 player online
ps3 256 players online

xbox 0,5 teraflops
ps3 2.18 teraflops

xbox graphics sub hd
ps3 1080 p full hd

xbox cd rom
ps3 blue ray

live garbage servers
psn servers dedicates

infammous2 imposible xbox, only have 0,5 teraflops and bad ati 6 years ago old

[SkylineR]

Wow, PS3 fanboys are getting smarter... *cough*

[floetry101]

hahaha, come on, I got a few laughs from it.

[theunleashed64]

i'll probaly get disagrees but i don't give a crap if i do
infamous 2 is going to be awesome, i can't wait for it but to the 360 fanboys who are hitting the disagree button a
thousand times please show me a game that is exclusive to
the 360 that tops uncharted 1 & 2, killzone 2 & 3, gow 3,
hmm? don't even say crysis 2 or rage those are multiplats
& ps3 owners can play them as well. i mean were here in
2010 the 360 came out in 2006 five years have passed & you
would think a machine like the 360 would be putting out graphically superior games above the competion's? ps3 has
been showing it's graphical power ever since uncharted:
drakes fortune, killzone 2, uncharted 2 among theives,
god of war 3, now later this year gran turismo 5,
what has the 360 been showing that matches ps3's power?
i mean you used metro 2033 as an example (the so called killzone 2 killer) and it didn't meet up to it's expectations, then alan wake (so called better than uncharted 2 among thives) while a good looking game it
still couldn't top uncharted 2 among thives so what is left
far as in an excuse to state the 360 is powerful as the ps3? infamous 2 is not just about graphics it does alot of
things on screen at once not to mention no one knows what
the hell is in this game there's not that much been revealed far as in how big new marais is, or how many boss's are in the game, hell there's even side quest & more
powers to obtain so having this much action all happening
at once is something to add not to mention it's in pre-alpha stage who knows how graphicaly it will look in the
final product.

[zerocool3397]

Seems a rather biased opinion no fact in there from sucker punch. What they should have said is we cant be bothered, it would have been more honest

[stuntman_mike]

I think the main thing is that, InFamous was made especially for the PS3. Thats why??

[zero_cool]

http://www.blachford.info/c...

http://www.alphaworks.ibm.c...

http://www.realtimerenderin...

RSX: Reality Synthesizer -part 1 :

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

RSX: Reality Synthesizer -part 2 :

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

RSX: Reality Synthesizer- part 3 :

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

PS3's cell rendering in real-time WITH-OUT the RSX :

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://support.xbox.com/sup...

[dougr]

It's really a simple answer actually. Who the f cares? And if you do care, you are a pathetic fan boy. Jesus, I feel like it's 2007 all over again in this comment section. Don't you guys ever get tired of repeating the same crap over and over and over and over and over and ...

Congrats if the Xbox can handle Infamous, but last time I checked it's a sequel, so why even bother asking the question?

[zero_cool]

Media flamebait= publicity & product advertisement & pay checks for the gaming & media industry.

[The Preacher]

The designer just stated a statement about the cell processor and everyone is acting like this is the end of the world.

Both have their strong and weak points.

Peace to all

[iamgoatman]

The stupidity emanating from this thread is mind boggling. The average N4G user seems to be about as tech savvy as a walnut.

I knew this site was full of clueless kids, but who knew there were so many!

[artsaber]

Not one single person can explain why PS3 exclusives wipe the floor with any 360 title. With all the wealth of knowledge that so many claim to have "technically" none can explain such.

All I remember is a few things about the 360:

1. The 360 is EASY to develop for.
2. It has dedicated butt pimples, etc., jargon, etc. GPU, CPU, GPU, CPU crap crap
3. Its games still have failed to top the PS3's best exclusives
4. PS3 top exclusives appear to be technically superior

The PS3 obviously has some advantage over the 360, the proof is in the games . The 360 has been on the market a whole year ahead, and it has subpar games to top PS3 exclusives. How do folks defend this while boasting somehow the 360 has some slight advantage? It defies logic.

Answer the question properly of WHY and I will give someone my dusty 360 from my floor.

[yakuzakazuya]

Let's face it, the days of Xbox 360 coming up with bar-raising graphics are over ever since Uncharted: Drake's Fortune was released.

I was blown away with Gears of War, that game was the first bar-raising graphics on current consoles. Back then I wished every console developers were using Unreal Engine so that more games look as good as Gears (now I regret that wish).

Then of course Naughty Dog came up with Uncharted. The game was beautiful, it does many things better than Gears Of War, the only fault it has was screen-tearing.

By the time Uncharted 2 came out, I realized that the PS3 has got some serious hardware power I never knew possible. In the other hand the xbox 360 was trying hard to keep up with Spinter Cell 574p, Alan Wake 540p, etc.

Xbox 360 cannot have PS3 quality visuals without sacrificing something to compensate for its lack of power. Resolution is the most obvious pick, it seems.

[ManiacMansion]

"360 couldn't handle many of PS3's exclusives but PS3 could handle all of 360s exclusives. "

The PS3 cant even handel one Unreal 3 Engine game.

OH WAIT.. now its the devs fault... cause GOW and UC prove it..

typical PS3 Fanboy Ignorance.