Gran Turismo 5 Takes Top Honors at Gamescom While Move Trounces Kinect

PSLS: "Sony certainly brought their A-game when to comes to Gamescom domination, as they not only brought the goods game-wise, but managed to acquire a major title which was previously exclusive to the 360, show that the PlayStation Move is the ideal motion controller for the hardcore gamer, and rack up the conference’s highest honors in the process."

[MaximusPrime]

must be the best ever Gamescom show.

Glad Sony has delivered once again. Not just Gamescom but at E3 and TGS too

looking forward to GT5.

[zootang]

TGS will be bigger than both E3 and Gamescom. I've just got a feeling

I would like for Ps3:
The last gaurdian release date
Final Fantasy Versus 13 release date
Demon Souls 2
Monster hunter HD
Persona 5
Okami Move support!
(dreaming) Afrika 2: The Rift Valley

@Below

Sept sometime.

[kingjoker34]

When is TGS again?

[Focker-420]

September 16th

[mushroomwig]

@zootang

It will be for me if they show off some The Last Guardian and SOTC/ICO footage.

^_^

[SephireX]

The PS3 has too many good games coming out next year already. Last Guardian may not release until 2012 because of this. Next year these games will/might release for PS3: Resistance 3, Killzone 3, Infamous 2, Uncharted 3 (maybe), Versus XIII, Demon Souls 2 (maybe), ME2, MGSR, Crysis 2, Rage, FFXIV, Agent or GTA5 (maybe), Resident Evil 6 (maybe), Dead Space 2, MW3, Elder Scrolls V (maybe) and last but not least, Twisted Metal. Now I've left out a bunch of games but you get the picture. Who has the time/money to even play half of these games next year? If someone tells me that the PS3 hasn't any games, dear God I'll shoot them. The PS3 is the premium console because of this, hands down.

[cobblestone19]

The Last Guardian is my most anticipated game. SOTC and ICO are both in my personal top 10 games ever! I can't wait for TGS!!!!!

[0mega4]

it shows how different the world views ps3 versus how the us views the xbox

as even though every thing coming out of gamescom was not good about kinect
e3 they could not stop praising the hardware

i guess thats what happens when you offer free xbox's to the press to create a media bias

[sinclaircrown]

Sony has really produced some great stuff this Gen. I don't care when it comes to who "wins" these "console wars" I think the 360, PS3 and Wii has been a great generation for everyone.

Wii gave the casual gaming market a huge boom.

360 and PS3 have both had some great exclusives.

Motion controls is good if you're into it, so Move and Kinect will have its day. If you don't like em' don't buy em. We'll still be spoiled with great games on these consoles and then again next gen.

This gen has even been great for fanboys. Can't stand reading their comments myself, but they enjoy it for some reason.

Gamers win.

[Fan Tastic]

It's been obvious to everybody for a long time that Move trounces Kinect.

As for GT5 taking best of show, not a surprise either. Forza 3 with all of its DLC packs (how much did you fork out for everything?) still doesn't scratch the surface as to the content included in GT5.

Then of course the actual gameplay, graphics and the rest that completely decapitates Forza 3..

Can Forza 3 do more than 8 cars at once yet? I know the cars can do magic tricks like stand on their nose (that is one area that the GT5 game fails to deliever, magic cars :( )

[number47]

1080p
1000+
16 cars
Kart
WRC
Nascar
Track Editor
Weather
Day/Night
Dust/Dirt/Grass particles
Bspec
8mp photomode
3d

lol.. just kidding.

Turn10 has no desire to create the title that Polyphoy has. They aren't die hard racing enthusiasts, racers, or even car fans. They remind me of the Fast & Furious type of culture. Paintjobs & Exotics are the highlight. Then half the guys playing can't even slow down for a turn in GT.

Forza's had damn near 5 years to animate the vehicle spoilers on their cars. Increase the car detail & in game count. They havent.

If they can't do something as simple as that What the hell makes people think that if they spent more time, they would do anything close to the level of detail GT has done? Come on now, Gaf just found that the jaguar images have custom serial #'s on the engine plate in gran turismo. Turn10 are the guys that shipped a game without hand animations & broken car cockpits(Veryon)? Yeah.. No one will ever know. They wont ever spend the time PD has spent.

[bartbart]

Who cares about animating spoilers when the game is fun and looks fine?

PD has spent a LOT of time polishing GT5 and it shows. They should be commended. That does NOT mean that Turn10 should be condemned. I really don't get why people like you have to bash a game just because it is in the same genre as a game you enjoy. Sad schoolyard behavior should not be encouraged.

[zootang]

Number 47 don't bring Forza up to GT's level, please. Forza wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Gran Turismo.

[doG_beLIEfs]

The saddest part is....Forza got what a 90+ or more from metacritic? Yet GT5 has it beaten hands down on everything and MORE....much MORE. Yet more than likely we will only see a 2 or 3% INCREASE in metacritic score. So using that logic GT5 will only be 4% better than Forza.

NOW DO YOU SEE HOW RIDICULOUS THE SCORES WERE FOR FORZA?

That game got a FREE ride from the still as of then BIASED game reviewers.

Pathetic

[aceitman]

yes they should, and only because the put gt5 down, and bragged about there the best and how many games they came out with before gt5came out . and thats y they should be condemned

[number47]

Firstly, Who cares about animated spoilers?

I don't know.. Car Fans?

You just get used to it since its a feature in games from need for speed to pc sims. It was used as an example of glarring problems with the series that aren't touched. I noticed none of you refuted the incorrect cockpits either. Just take a journey on down to Forza's forums to see the folks who are unhappy with things, don't take my word for it.
http://forums.forzamotorspo...

Ratings have nothing to do with Forza's lack of features. Its a car sim. Not an action adventure game. Car sims have X amount of feasible features to include. Across PC-Consoles. GT just has more. The only thing to do in Car sims is improve on the car models & tracks, GT's ahead in this field as well. Competition online, GT has 16. Forza has 8 cars, as did 2. It has low polygon models of cars in-game. Which is what I said, which none of you are addressing. Just going into personal attack mode, which is fine, but it will never change the fact that Forza is a rushed game with low polygon cars, disapearing tracks, damage thats the same every time you hit that part of the car, etc. Perfection, what part of forza could be called forza? The loading times, or the lag when a notification pops up?

Again, Turn10 has no intention to create what Polyphony has done, many developers dont. Which is why GT is always in a leauge of its own. Its all I said.

Alan Wake was a undeniably meh, which is why Xbox fans turned their back on it and didn't buy it. Just like Crackdown. It wasn't shipped with halo, and it was the exact same game as the second. I'd love for you to list what Forza3 does to 'perfection':

"Why are about 50% of the Race car dashes STILL BROKEN!?!?!?!?!

After all these months. with all the stuff incomplete or flatout broken. im rapidlly losing faith in T10
"

Freezing during load screen in free race modes on various tracks,

cars listed wrongly in some categories, eg ford falcon race car is Australian not American, yet is listed as American,

decal placement problems and poor lighting when placing decals

missing sideskirt option on Honda CRX

wrong front bumper on CRX del sol, should be JDM style since its listed as Japanese wouldnt you think?

Honda = Japanese in the game, JDM = right hand drive, yet some Hondas are "wrong hand drive"

sound will lock at a certain rpm and then cut in suddenly at some stage during play, on and offline.

The Challengers still don't have braking lights.

Forza3 could hardly be described as great, not even by its own community who is pissed that they canceled the DLC, lied about the Photomode & detail of the cars, as well as features. But since reviews say its good, that must mean everyone else unhappy with the game freezing is a liar. And apparently, none of these people exist right?

Turn10 talked a lot of smack, and delivered a 2.5 version of their game. You use forza like pepsi.

For when you don't have coke.

[Fan Tastic]

I agree with DK286K when he said:

"Everything it [Forza]sets out to do is done to near perfection"

I agree 100%

Forza set out to have 8 cars and made it (despite the competition have twice that).
Forza set out to have far inferior graphics
Forza set out to have ridiculous physics where cars can dance around the screen on their nose

"You hate Forza because it pushed the GT series to second place in terms of quality"

LOL, this is just too funny to even come up with something witty, it reads idiotically enough on its own :D

[number47]

@ Dk "So, you believe 100% without a doubt that EVERYTHING that you copied from that page is correct?

Well then, I'll go on the same site and look at all of the praise that Forza gets. I'll see how many people say that Forza is the best driving sim. You'll believe that 100% too since it comes from the same site, right? "

No,

You'd belive it because the developers/moderators acknowle and participate in the bugs section and commit to fixing the problems.

People also post videos, and screenshots.

But then again, Turn10 said Forza3 was definitive. But thank god, much like the case for F3. theres videos.

This is like arguing with a 2 year old.

"GT has twice as many cars on the track - I don't deny that. However, Nascar 09 has 43 cars on the track. Wow, that must make it the greatest racing game ever! LOL "

No, It just means that even they can manage to push more than 8 cars in a game, and yet Turn10 cant. Ignoring the fact that GT has detailed cars of different types (not just low polygon nascar models found in 09), its not the quantity thats the issue. its the fact that Turn10 can't push more than 8 lower-detailed cars in their game at 720p, where as PD does 16 high detailed interiors and exteriors in 720p+.

Opinion isn't the fact that Forza3 dumbs down the car from Menu, to when you start the race (cameras flashing around car, thats ahigher polygon model) then when you are actuall in game (its yet another reduced version of the car). The only time you see the medium res car, is when you watch a replay, or the menu. But you never experience any detail in-game. Since you love youtube so much, you can find it online. Checkout the Forza 2 and 3 in-game comparissons too that Beyond3d did.

[number47]

While I'm mad that I had to waste time at work for this but here you go.

My opinion isn't that Forza3 swaps out HIGH detail model with visible cockpits, for low polygon cars.

http://i37.tinypic.com/117f...

You can see for yourself if you own the game.

three level of detail in the game:

1- Super high poly (10x more than FM2) = menus, selection screen, photomode, etc.
2- Medium quality (more polys than FM2) = Pre race rotating cameras.
3- Low poly models (about the same than FM2 or little enhaced) = In-game car models

And do I really have to prove to you that GT5 has more detail than NASCAR09 & Forza3 at this point? You know its a fact, unless you're just willfully blind. GT5 has higher detail than forza3. Ingame & In Photo mode. You're just denying it for the sake of doing so at this point. I mean look at the 8mp photomode shots from GT compared to forza3.

[BABY-JEDI]

Turn 10 will probably be playing GT5 more than Forza 4 (obviously when F4 comes out)

[doG_beLIEfs]

"That's the way it is in GT too."

Each car in gt5p contained about 250,000 polys. Gt5 each car contains 500,000 polys. how many polys for forza? yeah...thats what i thought.

Kazunori said so himself in different interviews. you can look it up yourself if you want to know the truth...if you want to keep lying to yourself....go right ahead.

it does not take anyone special to SEE with their eyes how much BETTER and more DETAILED the cars look in gt5.

[DK286Kincognito]

Here is the link..... http://www.examiner.com/vid...

here is the quote from the MAN himself

Kazunori Yamauchi: “We had maybe 300 polygons in a car in the first game. Now we have about 500,000 polygons in each car. Back then, pieces of the car were more like symbols. Now they are real and reflect light.”

Good enough for you?

I thought so

[killedinaction9]

rofl at all the GT fanboys.
i loved GT4 but there is something really wrong with you guys.
Forza 3 is in MY OPINION the best racing sim to come to consoles yet.
Im looking forward to GT5 aswell but im not sure if im gonna love it more than forza.Im definitely not gonna see epic crashes like this,which is a shame

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Denethor_II]

DK286K I've played Forza 3 (albeit the demo) on 'realistic settings' and found it to be nothing but an arcade racer. The thing I disliked about it the most was, the way it tried so hard to be like GT5; it simply failed. People that defend the game tend to be '360 only' players as they are unable to play 'The Real Driving Simulator'.

Gamer tag: Denboy UK ;)

[bartbart]

Forza is more of an arcade racer than gt5

And you know what?

The GT series is very arcadey compared to some of SIMBIN's offerings on PC.

Does that mean it's bad all of a sudden since it isn't the most realistic?

[TheLastGuardian]

Does GT5 have move support?

[nikoado]

It uses the PS Eye for "headtracking", i.e. change view in game my moving your head slightly.

I don't think it uses the actual Move controller though.

[8-bit]

It does have Move support. There is supposed to be a wheel for the Move controller

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_c...

[ThatArtGuy]

Yes, it does.

[btk]

Would be daft. Why would I want to use a wand / Move / Wiimote when I can use a steering wheel? Leave that type of experiments for Kinect. Head tracking adds some value but is not a deal breaker.

[jneul]

@btk because move is precise and accurate unlike kinect/wii, but most of us will use the proper steering wheel solution

[zeeshan]

My God! How things have changed (comparing it with 2006). Sony's really doing a fantastic job! All these exclusives! I am telling ya, SONY already has more of my money than I do! Ps3, Brvia, PS3 exclusives, third party games... yikes!

[Immortal321]

I think it's pretty obvious that if you're a core gamer who checks out the latest gaming news via online or magazines, you're pretty much into the ps3.

I get the feeling the majority of this site is not ps3 fanboys but core gamers like myself.

[bjornbear]

coming from

playstationuniversity. net

seriously =P i don't doubt it does! at all kinect so far has been POS after POS but...come on =P

either way, seems like sony have dominated gamescom =D

i feel so sad i am parted from my PS3 until december =( im going to save up n buy GT5,LBP2 and god knows what else when i get it back n give it some luvin! =D

@ trexman89: yes, happened to me. i do have fanboy rants but way more a.holes in here have 5 bubbles and troll all day every day n here i am with 1 bubble.

im not pathetic enough to make a new account...i'll just accept the communities decision, and talk less

[thedisagreefairy]

have a bubble then :)

[vhero]

Hmm a bit on topic (as its in the article) but off topic (from the description) I am more pumped for Guild Wars 2 more than Crysis/Move/Kinect put together.

[sikbeta]

GT5 FTW!!!

[Sev]

Doesn't surprise me. Move is absolutely incredible.

GT5 is known for quality.

[Trexman89]

agreed. I'll refrain from a fanboy rant about Kinect for fear of being down bubbled into oblivion.

[Ps3isSsTheBeStt]

Sony is The Master of gaming
So many AAA Games

[GusBricker]

Playstation has always been the king in Europe.

[vhero]

I agree that's why Sony should push it more in Europe like MS do in America. Ms knows where there sales lie so spend more money on America than Europe and reap the rewards. Sony should do the same with Europe and really push the boat.

[Doc Sony]

Who would have thought Gamescom of all gameshows would be the undoing of Microsoft ?

I think it's the combination of Gamescom and their poor E3 showing that really opened the fanboys eyes this time.

EDIT: WOW @ Butthead4Love I dislike the 360 as much as the next guy but thats never a good idea, IMO.

EDIT: @ BeaArthur, you always crack me up Bea, you pretend to be neutral but everybody here knows you're a hardcore 360 fanboy. If you were truly neutral you simply would not care about any of this.

But instead every chance you get I see you defending the 360 and every now and then you post something to make it seem like you own a PS3 and enjoy some of the games.

Why do this, whats the point ?

[PirateThom]

TGS should be another no show for Microsoft, even if Verses XIII goes multiplatform, Sony have The Last Guardian, Gran Turismo 5 and, potentially, Demon's Souls 2 to fall back on.

[zootang]

Persona 5 exclusive maybe???

[Focker-420]

Zone of the Enders 3 & Dead or Alive 5 as well. 3 weeks until showtime!!

[BeaArthur]

It would be nice if someone would open your eyes. You can never just enjoy the success, do you feel so threatened by the Xbox that you constantly have to talk about it in every post? We all know Sony had an awesome show (even better than E3) but nothing undid Microsoft and all your fanboy wishes won't make it true.

[Absolut_Turkey]

Look at that! Another fanboy rant from Butt-Hurt Bea. And look, what's this? His comment is off topic. Another typical sign of the N4G troll. Dude seriously, stop pretending your neutral because your bias is horribly obvious. Answer me this, Bea, why would us PS3 owners "feel so threatened by the Xbox"? The Xbox has a smaller library of AAA games, the Xbox is graphically inferior, Xbox Live is a glitchfest full of ten year old bigots, and it still has a high fail rate. And by the way, if you really owned both the PS3 and the Xbox, why the hell are you trolling around N4G so much? Shouldn't you be too busy playing both systems?

OT: Move trounces Kinect. This is news how? Only an idiot fanboy who's too stupid to see the writing on the wall would be surprised by this.

[Focker-420]

I agree completely, if Sony got me hyped up the way MS did for them the past year only to deliver nothing. I'd be freakin pissed off. So many high expectations only to be shattered.

Luckily for me Sony's been delivering the goods.

[BeaArthur]

I have over 700 trophies and 3 platinums ( http://www.playfire.com/Bea... ). But I'm not going to argue with an idiot. And your comment makes no sense (shocker), if I was "neutral" I would care because unlike you I enjoy all games and get annoyed when I see clowns like you taking every opportunity to make stupid comments. And someone has to defend the 360 from childish fanboys like you...I see you conveniently miss the posts where I defend or talk about the PS3 games I enjoy and am excited about.

[Convas]

Keep on keeping on Bea. Idiots like Doc Sony (The name say it all) would like nothing more for MS to just disappear for the simple reason that they have some deep seated personal grudge against a soulless entity.

Anyone who cared could simply look at your profile and see you are as you say you are, a multi-console owner. But as usual, as soon as a fanboy sees someone who disagrees with his viewpoints, he feels the need to insist that they are a shadow gamer.

@Doc Sony: Cool, Sony won. You happy now? Also, you calling out fanboys in your post is highly ironic.

[vhero]

MS mobile gaming seemed okay I guess but I think the major announcement from MS is that it's no longer concentrating on 360 as its major platform and looking at other avenues as 360 now has stability without MS constantly pushing it. I just wonder without the constant adverts and buying up exclusives will the 360 last as long as the PS3?

Either way I am happy about it not because of dropping some 360 support but because we might finally see more MS PC games and lets be fair this is where they have excelled in the past I love my Age Of Empires I do!

[BeaArthur]

Breaking news, Sony site thinks Sony is awesome. I'm not saying I disagree but come on. That's like a dev. saying our game is great go play it.

[cellypower]

"An independent jury made up of leading European gaming media members announced its list of nominees on Tuesday. The votes were tallied, and the winners were named this afternoon" http://www.gamespy.com/arti...

[BeaArthur]

That's not in the article.

[BornToKill]

playstationlifestyle didn't give the awards.

[creeping judas]

wrong post

[vhero]

They were just letting people know who won what awards so your comment is flawed BeaArthur. People really need to read articles before posting comments.

[dkgshiz]

This is the official Gamescom awards! HERP DERP! See heres Gamespot talking about it http://gamescom.gamespot.co...

[rekof]

funny ,.. :)
I am not a racing sim fan,.. and I am looking trough sites for cheapest logitech G25,..G27,..

Here we go again spending like crazy,..GT5 FU,..

Move ,.. FU resi4 on the wii,..(best thing since sliced bread),..

I'll be living on dry bread and corn next year,..

[Bellcross]

Sony had a great show, can't wait for TGS.

[Megaton]

Microsoft has been dragging Kinect to events all year, and they look absolutely foolish in front of all the gamers and gaming media each time as the device leaves a trail of YouTube gold when it consistently fails. I just don't get it. I mean... I get it, I know they're launching this thing soon and they gotta do what they gotta do, but I don't get why they decided to go down this road in the first place. Their house was in order without it.

I think they've got a profound misunderstanding about who their fan base is, or they just don't want them anymore. Blinded by the potential of Nintendo's money stacks.

[Montoya]

Truth.

[Fan Tastic]

"dragging Kinect" haha, that is actually probably a better response time than Kinect which has a ridiculous amount of lag from the mall videos I've watch.

[doG_beLIEfs]

"I think they've got a profound misunderstanding about who their fan base is, or they just don't want them anymore. Blinded by the potential of Nintendo's money stacks."

Blinded by the potential of Nintendo's money stacks is EXACTLY why MS went with the Kinect over something that WORKS.

[KMxRetro]

Oh look, someone else who hasn't played Kinect, who yet knows exactly how it plays.

I feel like I've walked in on a time traveller convention.

And of course Microsoft went the Kinect/Wii/Casual route. For some reason, you think that the company is here to please you. Not the case. They're here to make money, which is what they'll do. As will Sony, who are selling Wiimotes with light bulbs stuck on top, with a camera.

Both work, from what I've seen, dependent on the software. 90% of Wii software is laggier and more broken than anything I've seen for Move or Kinect, but I don't see many people complaining about that, or saying that Nintendo have failed. But hey, to each their own. I'll buy both Move and Kinect and keep my options going on.

[Tony-A]

I agree. He probably hasn't played it. I, on the other hand, have spent about 15-20 minutes trying it out.

I don't know if you outed the poster above for not playing because you actually think it works or not. I just posted to tell you that - other than Bowling - it barely works. It's as simple as that.

If you don't want to go by what I say, that's fine. Just remind yourself that the previews that roam the internet have a general consensus. We're excited about what it might be able to do; disappointed with where it's at.

Lastly, I found myself agreeing with Adam Sessler during one of his web shows. The things we see as "cool" about Kinect are never game-related. "Voice command", "Minority Report-style", "Wave to sign in", etc. They sound great on paper, but fall apart when executed, as seen in Harry Potter, DDR, Kinect Adv., etc etc

[C0MPUT3R]

Microsoft didn't get in the game to build something great. They got in it for the profit.
.
So when they first started PlayStation was what they modeled themselves after, but since the Wii has been the most successful console of all-time. Microsoft has found a new role model.

SONY really has Nintendo to thank for killing the 360.

[negative]

Killing the 360. LOL!

360 is still going extremely strong. Sorry COMPUTER but your calculations are incorrect. Check your numbers and try again. Sony still can't make money thanks to the 360's huge marketshare.

YOU FAIL

[yewles1]

Gamescom turned out to be a great turnaround for Sony after a disappointing E3 for some.

[MaximusPrime]

disappointing E3?

i dont think so. who's agree with me?

[yewles1]

Ther were in fact some people complaining months ago (I, myself, not included), especially when compared to Nintendo's conference. Now Sony dropped bombs big enough for UNANIMOUS head turns.

[number47]

Nintendo had an amazing show. But No one was dissapointed by Sony's e3 showing? Well by no one, I mean you cant find a single source from a media outlet saying Sony's e3 was lacking..

I think you're making this up.

[raztad]

Nintendo blew all its load at E3. Was a total no show at gamescom.

Sony had to show most of its exclusives (save TM:PS3) BEFORE the presser to make room for some EA love, Ubisoft and Valve. People thinking Sony E3 presentation was disappointing, disappoint me. It was no a fan service, but the ground of a bright future for the brand was laid down at E3.

[Focker-420]

Killzone 3, InFamous 2, Little Big Planet 2, Motorstorm Apocalypse, Twisted Metal, GoW Ghost of Sparta, and a GT5 release date. As well as exclusive content for Dead Space 2, Medal of Honor and Mafia 2. Also exclusive beta and missions for Assasin's Creed Brotherhood.

How on earth can you say that was a disappointing E3? Seriously?!

[KMxRetro]

That all happened at E3? Crikey. I thought that the show just passed was called Gamescom, and hosted on an entirely different continent to E3.

[x5exotic]

>.< fail

[dkgshiz]

How was it disappointing? MS had the worst E3 of them all. Remember the French dancers prancing around to Kinect?

[GeoramA]

I'm moving to Europe. They just have much better taste than we do.

[wages of sin]

And don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[KMxRetro]

Please don't. The majority of us Europeans aren't so desperate to be seen as "winners" backing the "winning" team that we become fanboys. We play games.

[vhero]

KMxRetro your bang on lol but then again America does get some good stuff before Europe so what comes around..

[dkgshiz]

I personally like the US.

[Malebaria]

Wasn´t expecting much from Gamescom this year but I was blown away with all the amazing interviews and announcements like ME 2 for the PS3 and Resistance 3.
It´s a bright future ahead for all gamers.

[ChronoJoe]

Gamescom >ed E3 for Sony.

That I find interesting. E3 would have >ed Gamescom though but Sony revealed all the big exclusives a couple weeks before E3... then threw them into montages. Not the best decision in my opinion, but Sonys E3 still blew me away.

TGS is obviously going to be fantastic for the Japanese games. Ninokuni and The Last Guardian, I'll dream of a Dragon Quest PS3 announcement too, but I don't think that will happen.

[KMxRetro]

"Gamescom greater-thaned E3 for Sony."

Makes sense.

[ChronoJoe]

I was not using the term in a mathematical context.

In my mind it was Gamescom owned E3. Owned ending in ed. Haha, sorry if I managed to confuse you, but I don't think such a trivial matter manages to detract from my posts objective.

[hiredhelp]

as they not only brought the goods game-wise, but managed to acquire a major title which was previously exclusive to the 360, show that the PlayStation Move is the ideal motion controller for the hardcore gamer,

so mass effect 2 getting move support. hmm

[Convas]

*Sigh*. I think Microsoft has lost the plot. I was talking about this yesterday with a fellow editor over on our site, and MS just seems to have totally dropped the hardcore almost completely. It hit me for the first time yesterday that Xbox only folk seriously only have Fable 3, Halo: Reach, Gears of War 3 and Kingdoms to look forward to. And look, I know they have to market Kinect, it's coming out soon, but where the hell are the core games MS spokespeople said they'd have for Gamescom? Surely they didn't mean "Fighters Uncaged" did they?

Of course, there are WAY too many multiplats coming out for me to be truly heartbroken, but MS just seems like they've stopped trying. I dunno, maybe after they get Kinect out there and it either fails or succeeds, they'll get back to making core games. Till then, exclusives on the PS3 are going to keep me company. Because there are only 4 left for the Xbox 360. Literally.

[corneliuscrust]

Agree.

MS is doing all the wrong things this year. Undoing all the successes they had.

Sony has exactly the right idea. Embrace new tech (motion controls, 3d) AND KEEP hard hitting exclusives on their system.

Bottom line: Ps3 has the exclusives, MS barely has a few. Why buy an xbox? Last year i could have given you a bunch of reasons why 360 would be a good addition to the entertainment center. Now? No. I would recommend PS3 over 360 every single time. Cmon MS at least give us a REASON to buy a 360 outside of Halo and Gears. Damn.

[Jeff257]

Exactly. I dont own a 360 for a few reasons but honestly they could convince me to buy one if only they showed me some games beyond Gears, Halo, and Fable. They had so much momentum for a long time but they have gotten cocky. It isnt helping them any right now with their sole focus being on Kinect.

Anyway Sony has bided their time well and at E3 and now at Gamescom it has showed. They said early on that they saw this gen as a Marathon not a Sprint and people thought they were nuts. Well they have used the last few years to keep giving us great Exclusives that you will not find anywhere else and are also showing not just Casuals but the Core gamers why you should buy Move. They are fully behind their tech, their studios, and their games. And yes even though they are a big company they even listen to their customers.

[cmrbe]

MS needs to introduce new core IP's that will interest the core gamers again in the x360. Another Halo and Gears and Fable after the current patch won't do it. Agree. If more x360 gamers are like you and not accept time exclusive games/demo/dlc crap in the first place perhaps things would look alot more brighter for all x360 fans right now.

[C0MPUT3R]

Microsoft doesn't have the talent internally to do that. And people that talented don't want to work for Microsoft.
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Why do you think Bungie is leaving?
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Look at what happened to Rare.
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MS would rather spend their money on popular brands like CoD, & GTA.
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Microsoft don't care about exclusives as long as CoD & Halo are moving 10 mil. a piece. and 25 million people are subscribed to Xbox Live Gold.
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This is their core. Now MS want to supplement that with Kinect, and in their fantasy world it's the Wii 2.

[JonnyBigBoss]

Gran Turismo 5 will probably take up at least 1000 hours of my life. I spent so much time in GT1-3 and learned so much about cars just by playing it. The online functionality looks fantastic coupled with the staple Gran Turismo quality.

On the other hand, Move is just amazing. It keeps looking better as time goes on. I just ordered MAG and will be playing it with Move in the coming months.

[e-p-ayeaH]

GT5 is frikin legendary.it as everything right

[doG_beLIEfs]

This console race is a marathon not a sprint.

I cannot find the link or remember WHO at Sony said this but boy were they right.
This console generation is a marathon....NOT a sprint...Sony knew this BEFORE they released the greatest gaming console ever the original phatty 60GB PS3. They took so much (some deserved but MOST not deserved) heat for it.

Remember these articles flowing from sites like Kotaku, Joystiq, IGN, Gamespot...and on and on?

The where are the games articles, the it does not look any better than Gears articles, the blu-ray is not needed articles, the MS gives you choice and does not force you to buy it articles, the multi-platforms are better on 360 articles, the PSN sucks and Live rules articles, the PS3 has NO GAMES articles.

And don't forget all of the Sony is DOOMED articles. I remember especially on Joystiq arguing with all of the 360 fanboys and staff about what was in store in the long run for the PS3. Killjebus was my screen name and those of you who know of me know that I was telling anyone who would listen that in 3 to 4 years time the PS3 will BE STANDING ALL BY ITSELF in terms of the best experiences and the MOST features.

Looks like I Michael Patchered EVERY SINGLE ONE of my predictions...so where is my cushy analyst job?

I also said that Sony was working on their own motion control and that when they announce it it WILL DO what the wii claimed to do but did NOT do.

I am sorry to toot my own horn on this...but Joystiq.....I was right...and you were wrong. I even said that in 3 to 4 years time Joystiq would stop bashing Sony and become Sony fans again....looks like I was right again. You hardly see any bias against Sony on Joystiq anymore.

My new prediction... a year from now...2 at most the PS3 will be selling at an even BIGGER pace than the PS2 and MOVE will be the ONLY motion controller worth having. Also the PS3 when she finally goes into the sunset will have sold MORE consoles than the PS2.

Book it, lead pipe lock it...cue up the weight challenged Lady.

[DigitalRaptor]

I'll hold you to that! But seriously I do believe that will happen. Perception of the PS3 has changed and publisher and developer support has never been stronger for the platform. Sony will be pumping out great exclusives consistently in 2011-2012.

It's not hard to see that Sony's uphill struggle this gen has reached it's peak and now it's easy going the rest of the way, so long as they keep at it. Can't wait to see the PS3 in 1-2 years.

Meanwhile, Microsoft has slipped on a rock and fallen. Right now, they are struggling to find a grasp to continue their climb. If they don't do something about it soon, they will lose their grip.

Loved that legendary story about Joystiq, bro! ;)

[darkwing]

yay GT5 and Move

[ApocalypseShadow]

putting in bluray made games like uncharted2 and GT5 possible.one game.one disc.also allowing gamers to watch movies.but is going to also allow 3D movie watching.

putting in hdmi gave gamers the ability to support the highest resolution.and now hdmi is being used for 3D.

putting in a larger and upgradeable hard drive allowed DD and game installs.and to put as much content on it that you the gamer likes.

releasing the pseye allowed sony to try motion along with the severely bashed sixaxis.although cool,sony new that a controller is what WORKS.and they created one that can do what the wii can do while doing most of what kinect is supposed to do.but sony clearly was going to release a motion controller because we can all go to youtube and see their research.while there is NO RESEARCH VIDEOS from microsoft on youtube for kinect.

each and every time,we see that sony's strategy works.gathering great developers under their wing.creating next gen engines even if they were being bashed for taking too long on games and not yet showing the cell's true capabilities.creating a network that allows up to 256 players for FREE.and it works.

knowing that over time,they would get back to profit on hardware by just sticking it out and waiting for results to show.fanboys just couldn't see the plan.but the plan is getting sony the AWARDS.

a clear direction instead of the other one just throwing money around,buy things without a clear reason for doing so.not investing and gathering developers,closing their network off and not allowing freedom like mods and things like steam.

it's why i clearly supported sony DAY ONE at $600 dollars.and why i will continue to do so.

[doG_beLIEfs]

Agreed and bubbled up. Sony has been and will be successful in the videogame business because they have a LONG TERM strategy and they STICK to it no matter how much the media bashes them. That takes vision, discipline, intelligence, and lots of being in the RED to work. They saw during the PS2 days that 3rd party exclusives were going the way of the DODO and that they key to long term viability is FIRST PARTY STUDIOS. So they went out and started buying up any studio that they saw as having the potential to help the PS3 realize its vision of what a game console experience could be.

They got raked over the coals for it because they had to miss out on TIMED exclusives that at the time no one knew were TIMED exclusives. MS looked to the untrained eye as the console that had what it took to WIN. Well now the average consumer is now realizing what I knew back in 2006...Sony is NOT MESSING AROUND and that they know they will WIN in the long term.

I have loved every minute of the I TOLD YOU SO's to all of the doubters that I have thrown in from time to time. To see a company that OVERFLOWS with vision, patience, discipline and INNOVATION finally get back the respect that they deserve is a beautiful site.

The next year or 2 is going to be mind blowing...the quality and quantity of titles will blow US ALL AWAY.

SONY it only does SUCCESS in the long run.

[ApocalypseShadow]

LOL!

but seriously...anyone like ourselves that just took a step back,could have seen what we were seeing.if a company is willing to lose money for me to get it for a reasonable price,and it was overflowing with features,I WAS "IN."

i do have the inner laughs against the foolhardy fanboys who couldn't see it,but one by one,yeah...i was laughing at them.especially when that first pic showed up on the net of killzone.remember that?then the video showed up and floored everybody.

never mind that uncharted 1,heavenly sword,motorstorm,etc were showing me ps3's potential.when K1 showed up,i knew the best was yet to come.i was waiting for sony's response to motion like the dualshock on ps1 was a response to nintendo's controller on n64.

now move is doing it again and showing that research is what counts.just like the research on the cell processor.

bubble up to you too.

[cmrbe]

the power of MS advertising + clueless people.

Kinetic is a very big gamble for MS. Almost the same as Nin with the Wii. I can see exactly where they want to go with Kinetic. What MS want with kinetic is even more extreme casuals than the wii audiance. Basically casuals that were still put off from gaming on the wii or current gaming as a whole because of the precieved controller barrier.

It could really go big for MS or it could flop so hard MS will contemplate giving up console gaming all together. Time will tell.

The plus side for MS is their marketing department and controller less gaming is still unknown and will be something new to mass consumers that dond't know about PS eye last gen.

The negative side is the price point and the fact that the wii is already super easy to use.

The casuals that flocked to the wii did so because it was cheaper than it's conterparts then 400 x360, 600 PS3 as well as being amazingly simple and fun to use for short periods. Casuals in most cases never play 3 hrs or more per sessions like we core gamers normally do.

Is the wii not simple enough already for the masses?. If Kinetic proves to be extremely much easier to use than the wii and register with non gamers. It could very well see MS fortunes change for the better. However, with casuals/non gamers. Cost will also play a big part. I guess this is where MS will do their best in terms of advertising to convince people that it is cheap lol!.

The potential big loosers in this casual push by MS could well be the core x360 gamers that have made the xbox brand what it is right now. The problem i see with MS is that they lack the balance that Sony always had since day 1. Everyone when they think of the xbox brand is hardcore shooter and halo. People can't blame MS for trying to shake of this image with their new casual push. I have always criticise MS for always putting too much attention of hardcore games but not on causal games as well. For example. When Viva was out it got nearly no attention at all from MS while games like Halo 3 and Gears 1 got everything. Contrast this to Sony and RC TOD and Uncharted you can see the difference.

While MS is trying to change this perception. I think they are doing it the wrong way as they are doing it at the expense of their core and very very loyal gamers. The way i see it. MS are trying to be wannbe casual game providers and looking foolish at it while at the same time unintentionally sh1tting on their core market.

[ApocalypseShadow]

microsoft's marketing could wow the public.but it still won't change the fact that it didn't wow "ME."

couldn't careless about what casuals like.if i did,i would have bought a wii.but i didn't.

microsoft claimed this was the next paradigm in gaming.i of course knew better.but we can clearly see that there was no vision from them.

they have no research videos leaked showing they were working on motion control.but they say they were.

they bought 3dv and made deals with other motion control companies.but lied and said "we have been working on this forever."

then they put out one after another of marketing videos to fool the public on what it can do.and on the side,decide that putting their best foot forward for gamers was NOT a GOOD thing like when they released 360 years ago.and went a dropped a processor that maybe could have made it amazing.we will never know.but going cheap like usual tells me their heart is not truly in it as always.

and now,we see that move just WORKS.even with the rumor of street fighter kinect.anton shut people up real quick with a real time demonstration.i mean,came out of nowhere along with a chameleon demo.they keep destroying kinect with real demos.

while microsoft keeps promising the future and wait and see.you will have core games made soon.it's all promises... promises... promises.

kinect might sell.just not to me or others with common sense.

[cmrbe]

exactly. If it ever sells it will sell to the clueless people as i said. People that just don't know anything about gaming or that there are much better motion gamin offerings than Kinetic. Those are they type of people that i think MS is targeting with Kinetic. Their marketing will try to make it our as revolutionary and the first of its kind when the PS eye did controller less games before but these people will not know anything about it nor the fact that it lags like hell.

Agree that MS is stumbling with Kinetic. Anyone can see that they really haven't planned this through. It shows very badly and its painful to watch.

You and i both know what the problem is. MS never really has any real vision or goals other than ripping off people as much as they can with little thought about the health or the overall development of any industry they enter.

[DigitalRaptor]

OMG, reading your comments is like having a conversation with myself, if that makes sense :p

The things doG beLIEfs, Apocalypse Shadow and yourself are discussing are pretty much exactly what I've been thinking and trying to get across to people for years, whilst being labelled a PS3 fanboy.

Such legendary comments and people!

Bubbles for everyone!! =D

[Clarence]

I don't know why people still feel the need to try and bash the PS3. Every time they do, Sony steps up to the plate and knocks out of the park every time. This was a chance to for them to show what Move could do and its obvious it was a success. Kinect on the other hand? NO CONTROL OVER YOUR CHARACTER AT ALL!

[Snoogins]

My God, the lag! Control is limited to just registering arm movements for aiming and firing and it still struggles with accuracy and lag. Of course, there's still development time to fix that. What I've seen from Kinect so far is nothing but on-rails games like Forza Kinect, JoyRide, Child of Eden, Kinect Adventures, Sonic Riders, this Harry Potter mode, that terrible Star Wars game, and fitness/dance games. Where's the variety?

Edit: Forgot Kinectimals and that one fighting game announced at Gamescom. Also, don't even know how much control you'll have with Kinect Sports.

[remanutd55]

i went to pre order
Gran Turismo 5 Collector's Edition
Little Big Planet 2 Collector's Edition
Playstation Move ( both controllers )
Eyepet
The Fight : Lights Out
i wanted to pre order Motorstorm Apocalypse, Killzone 3 , Socom 4 but im waiting to hear about pre order goodies and i forgot to pre order Sports Champions lol

[Jeff257]

If you just buy the Move Bundle you will get Sports Champions with it. Well if your in the US you will. Im not sure how they handle it in EU.

[remanutd55]

but the guy told me that it comes with the Playstation Eye ( which i already own) , is there any bundle wih just the move and Sports champions ? i pre ordered both controllers not just 1

[Jeff257]

No unfortunately they dont have one that has just the controller and a game. I certainly wish they did. I too have the Eye but Im not sure what kind of condition it is in since Ive had it for so long. So I plan on just buying the bundle and getting another cam. Also if the other cam works we can just use it on my wife's PS3 for video chat with her clan mates since we dont have enough room in there to play Move games. Unless you count the ones you can actually sit down to play.

[tiamat5]

I am not sure Kinect was ever a good idea. Even if they fix the lag I just can't see practical applications for it. I know all Kinect defenders will attack me for saying this but I believe Microsoft is stalling. I believe that neither they or the developers know what to do with it. Look at their starting line up of games. None of them seem particularly engaging, innovative or anything. And when you talk to the people who claim Kinect has endless possibilities, they have no thought on what any of them will be. No ideas, examples,demos or future plans. I am not sure Kinect will bomb completely like everyone thinks but I don't think Kinect is what everyone thinks it will be.

[Def Warrant]

Sony, Polyphony Digital and the GT series FOR LIFE!!!

Anyone else is second best to me.

[Tony-A]

HAHA! this part is hilarious:

"The controller works very accurate and we could fight the enemy well into the visor take. Although there is a slight auto-aiming, this takes us but not complete the thesis. The entries showed in our Hands-on no delays. Normal 0 21 false false false DE X-NONE X-NONE"

lmao. I can just imagine someone speaking like that. Sounds like a robot trying to talk human, but breaks down and just starts talking robot talk.

[kevin360uk]

Forza 3 got and continues to get shat on.

[RyuDrinksTheDew]

i know ill get disagrees here, but all this shit about how GT5 is gonna blow away Forza 3 is retarded

of course its going to, its been in development way longer, it wouldnt make any sense for it NOT to blow away Forza 3. everyone should keep their fanboy nonsense out of here and just say that this game is going to be the best racer this gen, thats all.

a *facepalm* to all of you fanboys.

[dkgshiz]

Remember them saying how Forza 3 was the "definitive racing game of this gen"? That one ginger guy I believe his name is Dan something....he said that at least 4 times during the E3 conference.

[LiquifiedArt]

Don't continue to put Turn10 in the same sentence as X. Where X stands for Polyphony Digital.