I’m A Christian, Guerrilla Games Care About Me

GamesThirst writes, "Get a grip folks, the best selling titles of all time have no swearing in them….. You don’t need that. I applaud Infinity Ward for what they accomplished in Modern Warfare 2, a game that had only one F-Bomb – the last scene in Afghanistan.
So do it devs, you won’t lose. In fact you’ll gain more than you think."

[LordMarius]

I read the article and I have no idea what it has to do with Christianity

[BakedGoods]

...as if swearing was a sin in Christianity? Lame.

[movements]

Real, born-again Christians don't swear.... They shouldn't.

Not all who say they're Christians are; remember that.

People will see I'm this, but their lifestyle doesn't match up....

[drdistracto707]

I sorry but this just made me laugh, literally... and loudly

[UnwanteDreamz]

So the creator of the universe cares what word I use for penis? That sounds insane on so many levels.

[specialguest]

I see profanity as simply harsh words, and I see no difference between profanity versus "cleaner" words used to replace profanity, since the ill intent to damn someone is still there.

Screw you! = F*ck you!

[duplissi]

nowhere in the bible does it say to not say: shit fuck ass, etc.
cuss words evolve and change within a society and what one person finds offensive another might not. saying something like this sucks or this bites used to be considered swearing... i found this out when said that in front of a 95 year old lady.

this is what the bible says: eph 4:29 "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen"

so basically swearing is tearing down others insults and degrading language and not the individual words...its about what your saying not how.

@movements
i am a real born again christian and i try not to "swear" but i do on occasion. i try to be conscious of what i say and to whom, because you dont know when you may offend someone. to say someone isnt a christian simply because they say certain words is just a little arrogant and judgmental.

"let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

edit: thats a good point specialguest.

[BattleAxe]

F*** You GamesThirst, I want swearing in my games! I feel that as a non religous person that I'm under attack.

[PoSTedUP]

@ specialguest- yeah but damning someone is a lot differetn from just saying "Oh S***". as long as i dont use it directly at them, or curse them, ima say f*** s*** etc. all day lol.

@ battleaxe- "im a atheist and geurilla game dont give a 's***' about me" LOL jk

its hard to believe there is only one "true" religion since the system of religion is so corrupt. who ever the creator is, if any, cant blame me for not "picking" one of the hundreds of thousands of religions. i believe in a higher power, but i am also a good person without Jahovas witinesses or buddah or ahla or any other god. i think me and "mysterious power" are on good terms to be honest.

on topic- i like my war games REALISTIC, so a war game with a bunch of "oh i dont sware" panzees isnt going to cut it. i want badass americans holding big f****** guns in my war games! enough said.

the hypocrisy here is that were talking about being a cristian by not swearing in a VIOLENT BLOODY WAR shooting game. LOL
ok im done by the way infamous is SICK, just bought yesterday.

[tplarkin7]

If you're trying to be a saint, then you shouldn't swear. Swearing is losing control. Swearing also doesn't mean anything. It has the same meaning as a grunt.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

You are not supposed to offend, that's the spirit of the law. In the end, these are just words. If no one was ever offended, maybe it isn't a sin? Then again it no one was ever offended, no one would use it?

I'm not offended so I don't care. The f bomb root meaning is to hit. So saying you'd hit it literally translates to...I'd f/ck it.

Doesn't sound so bad when you think of it that way, does it?

[SaiyanFury]

Wrong place to post...

[Sanzee]

Jesus Loves Guerrilla Games

[PCnPS3Gamer]

whatever, damn Christians trying to change everything....imo christians are the biggest oxymorons, hypocrite's, i have ever encountered...let people live they're own lives and if you dont like something dont play it watch it or do it dont ruin it for the people that dont fucking care whether rico says cunt pussy ass shit rug muncher and so on as long as i get to break helghast necks steven segal style on a jet pack i dont give 2 shits you fucking whiny high horse christians that think your so enlightened cares. christians are just another breed of fanboy but instead of a gaming platform its a religion.....if you find yourself a christian and hating everything maybe instead of trying to change everything, why dont you just ignore it and go on with your boring christian lives, and if you cant do that maybe your religious beliefs are in question. simple as that.

fun fact the 100 years war was feuled by christianity and religion i wonder if they swore while getting stabbed in the stomache with a long sword, orlike six arrows in the nuts....

another fun fact whether war is between two races, or two religions it is harsh.....which means expect swearing, steven segal style neck massages, kicks to the uteris, disembowelment with spears other barbed weapons etc.....war is brutal, get used to it cause it's not changing anytime soon...

oh yeah christian fanboy, i think blogging might be a sin, you know cause computers werent mentioned in the bible so they must not be used right just like dinosaurs.

[PCnPS3Gamer]

no one has told me why they disagree. so predictable of Christians. when you throw logic and science at them they tell you your wrong and then immediately stick theyre finger in their ears and go la la la la la la....

also ask a christian why there are different races in this world you will literal start looking through mental hospital brochures to recommend to them haha....

also @ below in war it is usually never justified and there is always some hidden ulterior motives.war isnt necessary its just way of life, human life that is...

@below awesome zeitgiest is my religion..i love the logic in what they say. also i love how they pwn Christianity. lol

when i think of christians or any religious people for that matter this is what comes to mind lol

wow after reading parasomething somethings comments and saying to myself damn couldnt of said it to myself better then all these disagrees, i came to this conclusion lol to many people on this site either love fairy tales and knowing the answers to everything even if it is extremely illogical, or they still live with their parents and havent grew a pair....im sorry but i will never believe in religion until i see some good ole logic. BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE N4G BUT DONT TRY TO TELL IM THE STUPID ONE FOR BELIEVING THAT ILLOGICAL NONSENSE....

ALSO MAN UP AND DONT BE SO PASSIVE AGRESSIVE....para i 100% agree with what you say i lived with christians and some of the answers they game me were fucked and i knew it so i watched zeitgiest and i was like boom there goes the christanity beliefs....

[GeneralCole]

Good to know somebody is actully intelligent on this site

Going back to read On the Origen of species

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

The cause of war is greed and a scarcity of resources. The secret thing is the human mind is not rational - there is no ideal perfect conclusion. The human mind reasons, and whatever it wants becomes ideal and perfect as a result of ad hoc reasoning. Religion is a convenient reason to get what you want and rally people to your cause, but in a world full of atheists there will be just as many wars if not more.

This simple truth along with postmodern thought has shown that humanist and scientific rationalists like yourself are no worse than the religions they prioritize themselves over. Derrida's deconstructionism shown that when the fringe upsets the center they usually take on the same social politic it despised the center for in the first place. By your own rhetoric, you show yourself as much a zealot as Ned Flanders.

Such people I've found become atheists as a reason to enhance their own self-esteem, at the expense of the faith of others. Because like I said, we're not rational. Popper's logical positivism isn't safe from Heisenberg's principle. There's natural limits to your knowledge and so-called rationality.

I'm a Christian, and we're to respectfully share our beliefs. We are also supposed to respect the beliefs and customs of others. In the end of the day, God himself will have to make his own case. Just don't be too surprised when he shows up.

[fitzgerald69]

Dude, I can tell you that God created you in His image out of love, that is a most natural fact. Loving God is not a religion, it's a relationship. He loves you no matter what you think of Him, and I sincerly hope that before it's all over you come to know Him and fully understand what it is he did for all of us in sacrificing His son, Jesus Christ. So, as a believing gamer, I can choose what to buy and play, and I simply don't play the explicit games, no harm no foul. No need to bash us brother. It's just depressing that entertainment mediums think they have to include vulgar language to be entertaining, which is not true. I took my son to see Transformer 2: Revenge of the Fallen and had to apologize to my son for the language, for a movie geared toward kids, not cool. Appreciate your time man.

[SaiyanFury]

Good points, Fitz. Bubble up, brother.

[atticusflinch]

Faith, in my humble opinion, is the purposeful abdication of doubt.

I am not religious. Probability is the foundation of science and I find myself erring on the side of this principle while maintaining a respect for the preferences of others (I don't always have to be right or possess all the answers).

The existence of a God/Goddess being is not probable. However, it may be just as improbable to think that human beings can know, with any degree of certitude, what lurks beyond the edge of our limited perceptions (quantum theory in itself fills me with near metaphysical wonderment). I suppose this makes of me an agnostic due to an inexhaustible skepticism, even in human nature. A life based in probability is not as easy as I once believed it could be.

My world view is not comfortable with “absolutes,” even those that revolve around abstract ideas of “perfect accuracy.” The Atheists I have encountered often and ironically exhibit an abiding sense of pure faith based merely in donut probabilism, which strikes me as lacking in honest logic. This is not unlike their religious counterparts, as both purposely abdicate doubt in exchange for an absolute and unyielding belief, separated only by a sliding scale of likelihood.

In another twist, many Atheists are sometimes given to proselytizing their views, not unlike the religious with similar proclivities. In my experience this is not an altogether uncommon and amusing irony. Extremism, whether it’s secular or spiritual, finds favor in some more than others.

In conclusion, both Atheism and religion are faith based examples of belief systems overriding both internalized and externalized doubts.

How does this relate to gaming? Shut up, turn on and play.

Turn down the volume if the game box has a big M on it. With shooters how much are you missing. I love a good FPS, but they remind me of Playboy magazine. I've never bought the latter for the articles nor the former for the dialogue. If this gimps you too much, find another hobby.

edit - I loved both Zeitgeists films as well.

[ThanatosDMC]

Which is worse: virtual swearing or killing virtual people in war you have no idea why you're fighting for?

[The Great Melon]

I read the article and was thinking that too. Not only are you killing people, but if you also read some of the back story of the Killzone universe you begin to feel a little disgusted by the ISA.

[ThanatosDMC]

Just Rico alone in KZ2 made me feel like the bad guy. He wasnt that bad in KZ1 but then again he barely talked.

[DamonTheMoney]

Thou shalt not swear > Thou shalt not kill

I'm a Christian, and I've got my priorities straight.

[Anon7349]

I know isn't it hypocritical of this "Christian."

He cares soooo much about swearing in videogames but he doesn't even understand that the whole point of the game is to kill other living creatures.

Seriously, this is why I'm not religious(That and the fact that there is no solid evidence to believe in any sort of supernatural being).

[JsonHenry]

Last time I checked "thou shall not use foul language" was not on the list of 10...

And when Jesus was asked which of the 10 commandments was most important he didn't even mention any of the ten commandments. He just said love your God and your neighbor. (Luke 10:37)

This article just got pwned.

[fitzgerald69]

The overall theme of teh Bible is love, it's mentioned over 700 times in fact. If you truly love God, all of the rest will fall in place. I guess I'm just really taken back by the hate on these boards for God, and by proxy those who are in Christ. There are those of us who don't buy the games with the foul language and explicit content, and I can assure you I enjoy gaming as much as anyone. But for those who either don't understand or are just generally ticked off for no reason to lash out makes no sense and let me just say this, if everyone were to follow the 10 commandments, man, what a better world we'd live in. But I can assure you, one day, every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.

[iceman06]

I think that you, and other Christians, are suffering the same fate as the Muslims. You are basically held as equals to the crazy, extremist views that permeate our media. Extremists are the people use religion in attempt to justify actions, thoughts, and behavior patterns that are far from the intent of most religions...which is basically a universal love, caring, and understanding of all things big and small on this earth.
In the end, nobody really knows what is to come. Some have faith in their convictions, while others are still searching for something to justify what goes on in the massive universe. Whatever it is, be it God, Allah, Buddah, Shiva, or a shoe (lol)as long as it honors what should be basic human principles (truth, love, charity, etc.) and does no harm to others then to each his own.

[menoyou]

this was clearly written by some atheist retard and the title was for hits. these people have no shame.

[NYPunkster]

My gift to you.
http://video.google.com/vid...

[duplissi]

what is that?.... some bull like that zeitgeist documentary?

edit: @jsonhenry

do you know what purpose the commandments actually serve?

"No one will be declared righteous in [God's] sight by observing the law; rather, [the purpose of the commandments is to reveal sin!]" (Rom. 3:20)

the commandments serve to show you your own sin and in turn why you need god, because no one can follow them... NO ONE CAN.

[AAACE5]

If you are that religious, you shouldn't be playing games... you should be buried in the bible! Otherwise, there are games about religion, they just aren't much fun.

Most things that are fun to do don't involve religion! It's a sin, so you should probably stay away from games. Just playing games breaks several sins, so people shouldn't complain about it!

[HighDefinition]

I think GG cares about all the gamers out there.

[MGRogue2017]

Alrighty then.

... Who cares? :D

[PyReX-]

All of this religion crap shouldnt be involved with games.
It's a GAME.

[PSjesus]

your beloved Jesus.

[Colonel-Killzone]

Ignorant article. This article is stupid on so many levels. You do not have to be christian to dislike cursing period. Second tons of christians curse so IDK wtf is going on here lmao. And third there are plenty of religions that do not like cursing or don't condone it should I say. Kinda stupid that they aim at christians alone. Also killzone has a lot of blood and guns in it so Cursing is not really important. The problem was Rico cursing in situations where it was not needed.

[PoSTedUP]

that wasent a problem imo (rico randomly cursing). people curse everyday for no reason at all, like me in a normal conversation LOL. so i just think it is realistic to have different personality's in vid games, ones that use random foul language etc.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Well, Rico have some serious issues, looks like he have a neurological disorder with Coprolalia.

GG said they will reduce significantly the bad words in Killzone 3

[Supman]

TH-TH-THIS OWNS!
Take a que from gurrila rockstar.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

This Christian don't have to worry about Killzone 3.

[Silly gameAr]

wut? Didn't GG already say they were toning down the swearing for KZ3? What's the point of this again?

[LtSkittles]

I don't think they did it just for Christian demographic that's buying their game. You can have a great movie without over-the-top swearing/violence, but you can also have a great movie with the right amount of violence, and swearing. It's the same with games.

[coolasj]

posted once over a year ago. I really do. Its a repeat and i have no idea how this got approved.

[LtSkittles]

That was about a different company.

[Supman]

I mean we really don't need swearing.
i mean do you actually want it?

[Parapraxis]

F**k yes I do, as people in times of war...swear. It's called being in touch with reality.

[Sunny_D]

Then why are censoring it? Do you really want to curse? If you don't think it's offensive, then say it without the censoring.

[bjornbear]

yes....I do, since it adds more flexibility to the language.

the idea that swearing is a "uneducated" use of the language is wrong nowdays.

anybody swears, so as long as its done imaginatively and in a good heart, i don't mind.

people are just too sensitive nowdays

[KILLERAPP]

All religions as the same or enlist try to achieve the same thing, wherever your from and whatever you believe, you have the right to believe in something even if you believe that God does not exist you have the right, where all just looking for something…

[Somnipotent]

religion and video games don't mix... in fact, religion and human nature don't mix either.

[atticusflinch]

I am intrigued by your statement, especially the latter half. What do you mean? I realize some would say religion is actually a component of human nature, but I am simply curious how you contextualize the direction you are coming from.

I am not religious at all, so this isn't a the first stage in a strategy of derogation.

[AliTheBrit19]

Ugh

Christian

What a dirty word.

[rulakir]

I agree, people don't need profanity to enjoy videogames.
I'm also a christian, and I have been playing games since the early 80's. back in those days we played good games and those games did not have any profanity in it. Mostly everyone here does not understand because to them is just part of their everyday lives to use profanity, some or most of these gamers nowadays will use 9 out of the 10 words they speak everytime in a sentence. I mean, what the heck is that? Is there such a need for that nonsense? Do people or gamers on this case really need to use such foul language? And for those people who think the Bible is a fairytale book you are only fooling yourself. You will see on the day millions of people vanish off the face of the earth in an instant. Laugh if you want, that only shows how ignorant a lot of you are. Look I know this is not a religious site, but I'm trying to agree with the person who wrote the article. It's just that some people are plain stupid and ignorant. the point of this is that we DONT need profanity in games in order for them to be good.

[Colonel-Killzone]

We don't need violence in video games either but we have that don't we ? Regardless of cursing or not they are free to add it or remove it honestly. Cursing is usually use to express how annoyed or mad a person is feeling. We have games with tons of bloods gore etc. I think if they add that there is nothing wrong with adding cursing least in my opinion.

[LtSkittles]

Well, I think about this way, the bible also says that you should love thy neighbor, and God loves everyone, no matter what right? I am not going to tell that Christianity is a lie, or that you should stop drinking the kool that Priest hands out, and I will never tell how to live your life, and I think that christians should do the same thing, but if doesn't go anywhere, then I won't argue.People do things differently, and that's what makes them interesting. I mean look at Lady Gaga, I definitely would never do any of that stuff she does, but doesn't mean I would tell her not too.

[Panther52799]

you have hit on a very important topic there skittles. free will is the greatest physical gift God gave man and you are right, we should all respect each others ability to exercise that free will. very nicely said.

oh, and a bubble for you haha

[vickers500]

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[Pozzle]

People might not need profanity in video games, but it certainly helps make the games more realistic. If you're in the middle of war, I doubt you'll be worrying about politeness and clean speech.

[Supman]

I agree 10000000000%
wit rulakir.

[DJexs]

not swearing does not equal christian.

[gamingisnotacrime]

back to gaming

[rekof]

What I dont understand why should we Christians care what the fuck people say or do to us,.. Or even what they think of us,.. This shit is stupid,.. And yes I agree with

specialguest
I see profanity as simply harsh words, and I see no difference between profanity versus "cleaner" words used to replace profanity, since the ill intent to damn someone is still there.

Screw you! = F*ck you!

Though when I say fuck you,.. I usually Never really have that intent in my heart,..
Plus how I understand God by now he choses Who He will save,.. is saving,.. There is nothing really you have with that,.. Every goodnes and your works are like dirty rags to God,.. Why we should not sin so much,.. Is because the shit hurts us,.. Maybe not at the same time,.. but it comes around,.. I recently almost died in my puke,.. So I now some shit Ive been doing,.. was destroying me ,.. and really dont want to die in so much pain,.. (well got so sick I begged God to let me die,..)

[rulakir]

By the way; real christians do not use profanity. It's in the Bible man look for it you will find it there. That does not change the fact that many so called christians use profanity thus making the rest of us look bad. Most people are oblivious of biblical teachings aside from stories like David, Joseph, Moses etc..
and so will never understand our way of thinking.

[DJexs]

Everything in the bible should be taken literally.

[rekof]

yes but that is between me and God,.. And my repentance ,.. So ,.. I think you are right,.. but usually that can lead to hubris ,.. an you start getting proud in yourself,.. and start judging ,.. In a way hating world around you,.. We for now are still have fizical bodies,.. Don't say one who acts good and Is actually good by biological nature,.. Has any more chance of meeting and believing in god than some fucked up soul,.. that is broken by the spirit and repents,.. And I truly believe God will not judge people who re covered in the blood,.. though they might fail ,.. many times,..

[Orochi Avlis]

I'm not trying to get into a discussion about personal beliefs, but what gets me is the logic that this person uses.
It's alright to kill people as long as you don't swear.

Think about it, what's worse? Taking somebody's life, or using a word that we collectively as a species deem as a swear? It's a double standard.

[rekof]

It is the same, bro.. Sin has no somehow intrinsic value to God who Is Holy and perfectly rightious,.. But then again I think you can do a lot of stupid shit in your life and be saved,..(I think its far more likely,.. to be broken and repent) And do great things and be Mother theresa,.. And you re fucked,..

[-EvoAnubis-]

What? You mean an M rated game has profanity? No way! Next thing you'll tell me is that there's profanity in R rated movies.

Here's an idea; don't want to play games with profanity? Stop playing M rated games! Weird idea, I know.

Also, am I the only one amused that while the idea of spending 8-10 hour virtually shooting, stabbing, and blowing up human beings is apparently acceptable, the concept of hearing the 'f' word a few times is totally over-the-top?

[Kyur4ThePain]

Who goes to "heaven"...

The serial killer who repents on his death bed, or
the man who lived a kind life but doesn't believe in a god?

"Get a grip folks, the best selling titles of all time have no swearing in them" - then go play them and stay away from games that have profanity in them. Fcking easy, no?

[chad22hkd]

but killzone is about war!?!? I don't think any war game is very christian like. I agree that killzone's cursing was pretty tasteless. But I think they did that, because they wanted it to feel like a war game. But you should probably stick with wii games. Or something like lbp. I just don't see how playing any war game is very christian.

[theonlylolking]

Dang why so much hate towards Christians?

[Kyur4ThePain]

We don't really want to discuss religion, race, sexual preference or politics.

[BannedForNineYears]

So true Kyur.
Gaming = getting away from most of that stuff.

[dizzleK]

i'm a practicing cthulhu cultist, respect my beliefs guerrilla.

where does it end?

[akfgsuperfan]

Do you know Jesus? Is he a part of your life? Repenting for our sins and accepting him as savior is recognizing that we are not perfect, and that the only way to the Father and to heaven is through Jesus' love and forgiveness for us. As such, we are not perfect, but are made perfect in our weakness, as it is Christ's love and sacrifice that saves.

Invite Jesus into your life. He will change it, believe me. He changed mine 180 degrees.

Now, as for gaming, yes these are just games, but at the same time I think what many Christians want out of a game is the choice not to be forced to compromise their beliefs for playing the game. I certainly feel that way. At least give me the choice to have a gaming experience not full of swearing etc. Also, yes, I do think it is a bit tasteless to have a game set in Iraq or Afganistan.. but then again what is the difference between that and all the WWII games? Just time really. Perhaps we don't need to have all shooting games...or maybe it is better to have them set in fictional universe like Killzone 2, or Halo. Killing insurgents for sport in a video game is a bit too weird if you think about it.

[lagoonalight]

Profanity is but mere words. God and religion are the same in many senses. Your faith is based off of words and nothing but.... There is no physical reality in your 'faith', only words that have long ago died. There is no spiritual context in words. Because you go to church or worship Allah you think that you are somehow different than someone that does not. Why? You are a living being. You can decide for yourself what is right and wrong but it has nothing to do with a man or god or some kind of savior. Because a system was invented for you to follow others must also think this way? If you want to read philosophy do so. You have Kant, Nietzsche, etc. If you want to read the bible than you have that. But please, Christianity and monotheism in general is responsible for so much murder and mayhem it's ridiculous to think anything of it but what lies it has spawned in the name of absolute power. The horrendous crusades throughout the ages, still going strong today, were put upon innocents by murderers and molesters of all kinds in the name of god and power and riches. Fundamentally, god can never be understood with reason. The bible as it is called is just that, a piece of reasoned philosophy put together by man. Your 'book' is a fairytale as much as any other type of philosophy open to debate. But that is the problem. There is no debate with you people. As the buddhist line follows, believe in nothing anyone says, including me, and question everything lest you become a stagnant human being up against the wall of belief that immediately puts an end to any creativity or 'reason' that you might possess.

Aside from that, the cursing in KZ2 was immature and ridiculous. If you cannot swear like a real person might then do not put it in. But if it adds to the character's dimensions then by all means add it.

[akfgsuperfan]

Well, I too was once ignorant to the holy teachings of Jesus. I suggest you try inviting him into your life. You will be grateful you did - both now and when you die. Is rejecting Jesus offer of redemption worth supporting your earthly philosophers. You may think so now. Just wait my friend. Sometimes it takes living in the gutter such as I once did to fully comprehend how much we need Jesus. Swear at me, call me a liar, a biggot, I have heard it all, but I am at peace because I know Jesus loves me and I am forgiven.

You can't reason your way into heaven, only true repentance and faith will suffice.

[treeson47]

but so am i, and i'm now at peace because i've rejected the teachings of christ. i was raised catholic, and all it ever taught me was that people are afraid. afraid of death, the unknown. and religion, god, scripture, it all gives you purpose if you chose to believe it, but when i realized that all it was, was a reassurance for this situation that nothing past death can be assured. i decided to free myself from the bond of judgement. because the only one to judge me is myself. nothing another human being can say means any more than any other human being. we're all people, in the same situation. no one knows anything more than anyone else, no book written by man knows anything else, and no one can prove god without faith, a word and concept created by man in order to justify another idea and concept created by man. so i'm glad you found purpose, and you're at ease with life. but i hope you're not disappointed if there is no heaven or hell.

[Figboy]

i'm a Christian (as i've stated before in similar topics), but i don't NEED my entertainment to cater to me.

i'm not so high up on my horse that cursing, tits, ass, WHATEVER will offend me.

and even if it did, WHY the hell would i want to rain on everybody elses parade?

the cursing in Killzone 2 rolled off of me. why? because it's war. if you've never heard real people talk, they curse. a LOT. soldiers even more so. seeing atrocities that we can only imagine (and poorly at that), i can see how dropping a few "F-bombs" would be par for the course for a soldier.

i think people were just looking for reasons to hate on Killzone 2 because it delivered on all the things the jaded, bias media were predicting it would fail on. met/exceeded the target render, and the game play was just as awesome as the visuals.

they picked apart the controls, but there wasn't really anything to that, since, once the game hit, gamers could see that the controls were just fine.

so what else they got? cursing. wow. that's...that's REACHING, actually.

as for what this has to do with a Christian gamer is beyond me. i think this author was simply trying to find a way to incorporate his beliefs into his game reporting, and he failed at it. this isn't the first time either.

again, as a Christian gamer, i don't expect my entertainment to do anything more than entertain. if i want a comfy, cozy, rosy view of the world, i'd read my Bible. oh, wait...

[Kellz]

Hey people what can we manufature to try and control the human race. hmmmm RELIGION

[majdees]

Guerrilla Games ain't got no pancake mix

[Xfanboy]

Cursing is not a sin!!! It's the emotion of hate behind it hate is a sin!!

[xCaptainAmazing]

It is a work of fiction, nothing more. You can believe what you want, but know that you are incorrect.

[ArchangelMike]

...then please enlighted everyone on N4G what IS correct then, and why it is so!?

[orion456]

I like what this article is about.
Gaming could do with a lot less pointless swearing (except for no more heroes).
But why is he banging on about christianity.
What the hell does swearnig have to do christianity.
I know lots of christians who swear.
Guerrilla Games don't care about you.
The fact is that lots of people (christian or not) complained about the swearing in KZ2.
You just come across as one of those people who will use any excuse to go one about their faith, sexuality, etc.

[treeson47]

people are fine with hard violence and blood from a first person perspective, but when it comes to fu.ck being said too many times, it's a problem? and the whole christian/religious argument is completely inane. i refuse to respect a group of said "decent" people, whose beliefs and religion has been the starting point for conflict since it began. but before you all throw your arms up and tell me i'm going to hell, why don't you just feel sorry for everyone who enjoys killzone just the way it is (with the exception of rico) somewhere else. i'm sick of developers toning down thier games because a group of people are upset due to belief or it makes them uncomfortable. if they don't like it, fuuuu.ck them. they can go play thier E to T rated game's and enjoy them, i dont see why they have to impose on the mature game market and try and tone it down, when they should just either get with the program or play games that are marketed to thier demographic. i've been playing mature rated videogames since i was a child, and i'm not a psychopath or a less moral person. so let me enjoy hearing a swear word in a war game where violence and death is being simulated. because i know if i were on the battle field, i wouldn't be saying, "holy smokes!!! RPG!!!" or "CRAP! the enemy is closing in". THIS IS CENSORSHIP, and it needs to stop.

[blink3020]

Most Christians are brainwashed zombies who follow a more immoral lifestyle than those that they "preach" against. F*** em.

[ArchangelMike]

..and what about those who want to pursue an immoral lifestyle based on popular media and the 'status quo', without anyone to tell them otherwise... what would they be called?

[Silver_Faux]

Again with you bloody Yanks and the word "cussing" just say "cursing" for fucks sake, "cuss" words just sounds lame. Also keep religon outa my game news sight, it has no place here.

[hazelamy]

there have been studies done and they've found that swearing actually helps people cope with stress and pain.
they tested people in situations where they experience stress and pain and those who swore coped better.
and you don't get a much more stressful situation that in the middle of a war under heavy gunfire.
when they make a game where you're taking the kids to school and there's swearing all over the place, yeah, it would be gratuitous and out of place, but in a setting like killzone it's perfectly natural.
why is it in a game like killzone that the language is the problem and not killing people by the thousand?
i know they say you should respect people's beliefs, and if their belief is something that only affects them then fine, but when it affects other people, why should we respect them?
because their belief involves some sort of deity?
their belief in a god makes their beliefs more important than mine?
not as far as i'm concerned it doesn't.

[ArchangelMike]

Ok Mods, please do not allow articles about religion on this site. The last I checked this was a gaming site where users come to find gaming news, and not a religions forum!

It is one thing to encourage and facilitate fanboy flame wars about the PS3, Wii or 360, it is quite another to allow and facilitate the same about ones personal beliefs. You only have to look around the world to see the extent people will go for their religious beliefs, because it means so much to them and defines who they are and what values they hold dear in this life.

In this thread, there are posts which are very offensive to those who don't have a religious belief, and also to those that do! This would Not be allowed if the subject was Race! Such offence should also not be allowed even more so as the subject is religion. (Go through this thread and substitute the word 'Christianity' or 'Religion', for 'Indian', 'White', 'Japanese', or 'Black', you will see how increadible offensive the language becomes).

As has been stated many time in this thread, gamers are gamers precisely because gaming is entertainment, it is fun, and most of all it allows an escape from such as discussions about religion. N4G is many things to many people, but do not allow it to become a breeding ground for religious hatred and intolerance...

...unless ofcourse it is the hatred and intolerance of a 360fanboy for his dearly beloved PS3 fanboy, and vise versa!!!

[bjornbear]

I'm an Agnostic, Guerrilla Games care about me?

No

do I give a damn so as long as the game is good?

NO

these crazy christian articles kind of freak me out.

[HalfCarrot]

And a pretentious tw@t. Build something out of milk cartons and keep your superstition to yourself.