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Sony Slings Mud at Competitors, But Facts Don't Agree

resumeplay writes: "First, I think it might be prudent to state that I am not a Microsoft or Nintendo fanboy. I'm a PC guy, and I run Windows only because that's what most games require. Bill Gates and Miyamoto, while they seem like cool guys who have certainly made it big by running their respective industry niches (and in the case of Gates, the industry as a whole), enjoy no real positive feelings from me."

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Genesis55171d ago (Edited 5171d ago )

Sure they have only taken criticism from every loose cannon with a keyboard for the past 3 years. Now they fire a few shots back and they're the bad guy.

By any chance have you heard of a chap by the name of Aaron Greenberg there Marcus(author of this article). He has made it his lifes work to sling mud at Sony any chance he gets.

smashly5171d ago

It wasn't that they are the bad guy, its just interesting how he contradicts himself.

LordMarius5171d ago

Dont listen to these fools, Sony
You show them who is boss

velcry5171d ago

I know this is a very strange place to rant, but here goes.

In the short span of 2 hours I had major earth-shaking quarrels with my mother and my girlfriend. Completely spent from trying to separate emotions from rationale choices, I retreated to my room and tried to distract myself with random surfing.

And then I saw this article.

I think what I want to say is... everyone, just give it a rest. Stop bickering about the Console Wars, stop taking one interview from Sony/MS/Nintendo and then dissecting it endlessly for weeks.

Stop creating multiple accounts to spam the worst possible fanboy vile just to see what sort of response you can get from others. Stop belittling others when they make their own consumer choices. Respectfully share your views, recognize you can't change the world, then engage in meaningful discourse with those who share similar views.

Most of all, stop getting so worked up over the small things in life that don't matter. Even if you're a hikkikomori but for the fact that your local health system hasn't yet recognized the disorder, there must be at least one or two other real-life people who matter to you.

So go out there, spread some love. If others put up some insanely asinine fanboy comment, just let it slide. Smile, move on.

Geez.

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fear885171d ago (Edited 5171d ago )

And just outright says its wrong and dumb. You go into NO DETAIL and just basically give the reader a watered down third person view that is viewed through inverse fanboy goggles.

You yourself make claims that FAIL to be based on the actual interview.

Instead you substitute the quotes to your takeaway fanboy opinion that "Whatever sony says is wrong" Instead of quoted reference to said interview.

The article as a whole is written with no accuracy to the original interview and therefore the article itself is nothing more than an utter load of horse crap laid on top of the keyboard and posted online.

PS. for those who want to compare the facts here is the actual interview:

http://www.industrygamers.c...

we won5171d ago (Edited 5171d ago )

http://www.youtube.com/user...
@MariusElijah Sony came out the gate slinging mud: 120FPS-4D-1080p in all games-MSFT reaches for the Moon, while we the Sun- 360 games won't match PS3 launch games during the 360's entire lifetime.

Anon19745171d ago (Edited 5171d ago )

Ok, right there you know something is up with this article. It starts talking about PS3 versus 360 sales and then links to VGchartz. VGchartz is still almost 2 million off the official sales data that Sony provided from the end of Dec, almost 2 months ago. Are you really going to them as the authority on game sales when they're still so far out?

And then dig into this article. The author boldly states that "Sony's comments aren't supported by facts."
Ok. Where are these facts? I've read this article twice now and I can't find a single spot where the author points out a single "fact" that this Sony guy was in violation of - let along "facts" plural.

He mentions that it's a fact that a lot of games are multiplatform. I really don't see how that's relevant to the quote regarding Wii developers struggling to find an audience on the Wii. When I read the quote from the Sony exec, no where do I see him denying the existence of multiplatform games. He's talking about conversations he's had with publishers working on the Wii.

Is there a second page to this article where it busts out the "facts"?

EvilBlackCat5171d ago

PS3 vs Xbox360

THE SAME B.S. EVERY DAY IN N4G

JokesOnYou5171d ago (Edited 5171d ago )

I always see this as just salesmanship, very rarely do they(micro, sony, nintendo execs) really say anything way out of line just normal pitch lines for their product. I've been listening to Greenberg for a year or so now and if you really listen to his words without bias all he really says in one way or another is that xbox 360 lineup is the best, look at our NPD sales(wont mention Japan) and in the rare case that 360 is not leading in either hardware or huge lead in software sales then he will find something else to brag about that shows how healthy 360 is. Sony is no different they just usually use "only possible on ps3" BS to cater to their fanboys beliefs, to sony's credit though they have been alot more humble in their marketing, steping back from the "work more hours to buy a ps3" or whatever that qoute was, the competitive market has forced them to listen to the consumer more. I always wonder why fanboys on either side take to heart what exec's say, rarely is it offensive or disrespectful to the other brand, quite frankly I'd be more worried if they CAN'T tell me why they at least THINK they are better than the competition. I laugh at fanboys crying over nothing as if they were going to talk about what the competition is doing better.

Besides sony's reasoning being flawed I dont see anything bad about their statements. Theres a big difference between saying "we believe our product is better than the competition, we will win/sale more/be the best because we do this or that better" vs saying "we are the best because our competiton sucks, that sucks, this sucks, yeah we're the best". One thing that really seperates all the companies PR is the general reaction from their respective communities, wii fanboys reaction is almost non existant, 360 fanboy reaction is that of general disbelief, ps3 fanboy reaction is like somebody just insulted their mother, its alot more negativity, personal insults(so many fat jokes about Greenburg and Valve exec) although entertaining to watch really doesnt make their response any more creditable.

JOY

Saaking5171d ago

I don't get the point of the article. What Sony has said is true. ESPECIALLY considering the ONE YEAR HEADSTART that the 360 had (in which it amasses a total of 10 million consoles). The PS3 DOES have the most exclusives. The PS3 DOES have the most groundbreaking games (LBP and UC2 have BOTH swept the AIAS awards), and the PS3 IS more reliable and more packed than the 360. The PS3 HAS been constantly outselling the 360 WW since September.

I mean, when Sony is saying it it is true and makes sense. They don't just run their mouths like MS reps do.

rroded5171d ago

man anyone with an axe ta grind can print one of these anti sony articles n get aporoved on ng4

sic

Venomish5171d ago

stopped at " I am not a Microsoft or Nintendo fanboy"
obviously not professional article. garbage

presto7175171d ago

And b*tch some more while you're at it!!! Its obvious that this guy is not objective. What a dumb article.

Blaster_Master5171d ago

The only fact I know and ever need to know is that the ps3 has the best exclusives period. Until Nintendo or Microsoft comes out with games like Wipeout HD, Motorstorm 2, WKC, Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, resistance, MAG ect ect I suggest both Microsoft and Nintendo take notes. BTW, Nintendo is doing a better job when it comes to first party titles, until then, Microsoft needs to come up with a good reason why I shouldn't sell my 360 after im done playing Mass Effect 2.

BWS19825171d ago (Edited 5171d ago )

the "article" is full of horrid prose, run-on sentences and denied fanboyism. So, just no, I read about half of it and stopped because it was so poorly written and reeked of bias. The dude ignorantly just states "and that’s a legitimate paraphrase" and you can just feel the butthurt steaming off the screen as the words scroll on. Then he puts up a pic of a busted PS3 with a troll caption under it. Yeah, no fanboyism there. He has blatant allegiance, and I can't relate to that. Moving on. Fanboy banter, FAIL.

Hey JOY, where's your Evil Dead account, you know, signed "Evil"...then... "JOY" ...yeah, we'd never notice that obscure pattern. The predominance of "LMAO" quips, yeah, totally untraceable. It's sad you can't take a hint when your bubbles drop so low, and you have to start up a new account. Either step out of your troll boots or stop coming around, nobody wants your babble. And "creditable" is not the same as "credible" so learn some writing skills, too.

JD_Shadow5170d ago

You do it AGAIN, and you were doing so well, too.

Thing is, you're doing what everyone in this console war has been doing: generalizing that only PS3 fanboys become extremely bad. Everyone keeps saying "oh, PS3 fanboys are the worst of the bunch" and go into all of these things that they do, put them into a box, say that because a few people have done this, all of the people in their group do the exact same thing, then say there's some conspiracy behind it all. If there was, and there were so many PS3 fanboys IN on it, do you think it would be revealed by now? I mean, hell, not even the real reason behind Bush going into Iraq (read: oil and Haliburton) was held THAT close to the chest. For a group of fanboys who are supposed to be so immature in how they comment on N4G, we sure as hell give them a DAMN good bit credit for hiding such a secret society from the mainstream. By the way, Greenberg was never slammed with a fat joke.

Those that are aimed at Newell are thought of as being deserved (though even then, many PS3 fanboys go there anymore. I just do because I'm a narcissistic SOB like that) because of the venomous, unfounded slams on the PS3. Think of it as an eye for an eye.

And no, not all PS3 fanboys subscribe to that kind of behavior, and no, the behavior is not exclusive to them. I can name at least one incident in which the shoe was on the other foot, but I won't mention it out of respect for the person that was offended by it. I've been called a PS3 fanboy since I GOT here. Everyone keeps saying that PS3 fanboys bubble each other up. If I'm one of them, then where the hell are mine? Someone forgot to invite me to this little party that went on here. I feel left out. I mean, yeah, I piss people off here because I'm blunt on here (at least I'll tell you if I think you're wrong instead of hitting disagree and running or anything like that), but, according to some, I'm a PS3 fanboy. I shouldn't have to worry about losing bubbles, should I?

To me, I think Rob Foor changed the whole completion about the fanboy stuff, and I think "NASI(A)M" (whichever team he plays for this week) opened the flood gates (along with Foor, who I wish would just admit his crimes already) to generalizing PS3 gamers like this in such a way that is insulting. Why do we have to hate the PS3 to be called gamers, and why is liking a PS3 game or the system the same as being a fanboy or a part of a secret society?

And why do articles like this one never get written about anything Greenberg says? He can say all he wants and get away with it, but the PS3 PR can't get away without making ONE comment like that?

DaTruth5170d ago

There is only one reason why fanboys of a certain console would bother you so much... Because you are a fanboy of the other console!

You guys need to start facing the reality that the only reason it hurts so much, is that you are a fanboy and can't stand hearing bad things about something you love(like mother jokes).

I get slightly annoyed when 360 fanboys commandeer the thread with some fanboy drivel and on occasion(most occasions), I'll shoot back. But some of you here just rant on and on about fanboys of the other console and hardly discuss games anymore!

TotalPS3Fanboy5170d ago (Edited 5170d ago )

Wah wah wah. Sony say mean things to my loyal companies and hurt my feelings.

Seriously,
is that really news?

I want my news to be about gaming. Not hurt feelings.

Mr_Bun5170d ago (Edited 5170d ago )

If what Rob Dyer said was so bad, why did it take the author 4 paragraphs before Rob's comments are posted?

Every time someone starts their blog with "I'm not a fanboy..." You know damn well they are!

N4BmpS5170d ago

Okay first I wanna Say Yaaaaaaaay it's Sunday, maybe more news will come regarding big blockbuster games this week. Anyway on the topic of...this guy, Marcus Clem? I think that's his name, he seems to have a problem with the said "crap" Sony's VP of PR, Rob Dyer has been throwing around. I just want to say and maybe he forgot to mention this, the fact that Dyer said any and all of this us because it's his job to get people talking, sort of like how Greenberg makes backhanded complements regarding almost anything Sony does. I don't think this ultimately helps Sony as a company but it's dog eat dog, if they want to pitch their system in that manner then they're going to do it. The author is simply expressing a lopsided opinion, to make this a more down the middle article he should have spoken on what Sony and what MS said, weighed in between what's crap and what's not. Just a thought.

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Biggest5170d ago

It seems as if everyone is missing the sarcasm in this post. lol

smashly5171d ago

The console war is just a big joke anyway, they are all winner IMO.

Ziriux5171d ago

You're very much right. While the Wii doesn't sell much software, hard ware keeps it in business. The 360 software sells in great quantity keep it on float. While Sony has a great quality in most of their titles. Only different between the three is the type of gamer they bring in. 360 known more for FPS titles, PS3 for RPG's and Wii for family party games.

mau645171d ago

agree completely, I have all three and love them all, although my Wii doesn't get much play time, this year could change with all the great games coming out for it.

pippoppow5171d ago

PS3= known for diverse exclusives (quantity and quality) not mainly just RPGs.

360= FPS and multiplats

Wii= family party games, rehashes and shovelware

stoppre5171d ago

Yeah...out of the lineups thus far revealed. Microsoft has a pretty big lineup with fable III, halo reach, splinter cell, natal, alan wake...yeah...its packed. And the wii has Super Mario Galaxy and probably zelda...thats all they need!

brandynevils5171d ago

Yeah, Microsoft has a good year ahead of them.

Ziriux5171d ago

Fable nor Halo don't have the same impacted as they did once. halo reach has a positive though, it is the last game and many will want it just to have it. As far as Fable goes Fable III is more of II and more of Peter giving you a ear full of trying to make things sound better than they are.

hazardman5171d ago

I don't know what you said that you got disagrees..face it 2010 is Microsoft's year..Sony is gonna need more than just GOW3. Not bashing PS3 I own one, but just be realistic 2010 is XBOX360 Yr.

RememberThe3575171d ago

So you forgot about GT5? Or Heavy Rain? Or Modnation Racers? or Agent? With rumors of Killzone, Resistance, Syphon Filter, Motorstorm, and others Sony seems like it's going to be fine this year. We really don't even know what they have in store for later this year.

tinybigman5170d ago

and i gotta say out of the 3 i have more to get on the PS3 then the other 2. i just finished Heavy Rain last night (outstanding game).

if it wasnt for ME2 and Splinter Cell i probably wouldnt play my 360 at all this year. even though Halo Reach is looking pretty good im not at all interesting in it, and M$ first party games do not excite me much as they dont have variety; its either Halo, Forza, or Fable.

i wished M$ would push for new creative IPs instead of releasing these same 3 games year after year.

Sony has never disappointed me so ill continue to give them my support. Nintendo will always have my support for their 1st party. i would support/respect Microsoft more if they created more studios and put some variety in their 1st party lineup.

hazardman5170d ago

I know there is more than GOW3..Did Sony confirm that Killzone 3 and Resistance 3 were coming this yr. There is only 3 games I'm interested in this yr. for PS3 GOW3,MLB10 and GT5..if Killzone 3 and Resistance 3 come out then yeah I would maybe change my stance, but at the moment this yr. is Xbox360..Thank You..Sonybot

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Ziriux5171d ago

I dont' know why everyone messes with Sony, their a great console manufacturer that's never let me down nor millions of their other owners.

stoppre5171d ago

man all sony does is let me down....Gran turismo 5...enough said!!!

mau645171d ago

but you got other great games like Heavy Rain and God of War which will keep people happy, plus we aren't even sure about this holiday season yet and E3 is coming right up.

stoppre5171d ago

they do tend to drag their feet on some updates though. Things like Home, dedicated friends list, mic support, and even trophy support have taken way too long to be implemented properly.

Silly gameAr5171d ago (Edited 5171d ago )

Dude. You should just stick with your 360. You sound pretty nit picky when it comes to the PS3. Not happy with the PS3, just stick with XBox.

As for the mud slinging. It's about time. I think Sony should be more vocal when the competition pretty much bring Sony up every chance they get.

Edit:"It is also funny to hear them talk about the competition and try in every way to skew the numbers in their direction"

Do me a favor man. Find me 3 articles of the number skewing that Sony is doing. I would like to see some of the scandalous ways they try to mislead us. While you're at it, look up a few 360 articles about their numbers.

Oh boy. I can't wait. That evil Sony is making the industry look bad. I hope Microsoft can restore our faith in gaming.:/

stoppre5171d ago

i have no problem with sony talking a little trash...all the companies do it. It's just part of big business. It is also funny to hear them talk about the competition and try in every way to skew the numbers in their direction

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10 Weirdest Video Games of All Time

Plenty of unforgettable games have completely messed up their players throughout the years, all the way back from the PS1 days to the dark recesses of the modern internet.

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JonTheGod11h ago

Why are the Katamari games not on the list??

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GoodGuy092d ago

Odd this and the xillia games still haven't gotten remasters yet.

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It's A Crime That There's No Sleeping Dogs 2 Yet

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LG_Fox_Brazil3d ago

I agree, I consider the first one a cult classic already

isarai3d ago

You say "yet" as if it's even possible anymore. United Front Games is gone, along with anyone that made this game what it is

CrimsonWing692d ago

That’s what happens when games sell poorly. And I’ve seen people wonder why people cry when a game sells badly… this is your answer.

solideagle2d ago

Majority of the time it's true but if a company/publisher is big (in terms of money), they can take a hit or 2. e.g. I am not worried about Rebirth sales as Square will make Remake 3 anyway but if FF 17 doesn't sell then Square might need to look for alternative. <-- my humble opinion

Abnor_Mal2d ago

Doesn’t Microsoft own the IP now since they acquired Activision?

DaReapa2d ago

No. Square Enix owns the IP.

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*As per Wikipedia

boing12d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Sleeping Dogs was a sleeper hit back then. It was fantastic. It actually still is. Would love a sequel to this, or at least a revive of True Crime series.

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