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"Mod tools in Bad Company 2? If people pay"

9lives.be: "In an interview with the Belgian website 9lives, Patrick Bach, Lead Producer of Battlefield: Bad Company 2, revealed why the pc version of the game don't support mod tools."

9lives: About the pc-version.You made it seem like Dice is hosting dedicated servers. are there going to be modding tools available?

Bach: Not at this moment in time. It's not that we're malign at DICE, but it's very complicated to implement this in contemporary games. It's far more complex than it used to be. We won't deny it costs great amounts of money to produce. But if there's enough feedback and plenty of people are asking about it and are willing to pay for it, then we'll definitely consider it. We mainly wanted to focus on delivering the best Battlefield-game possible.

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Carbide75186d ago

Developers would make anything if "people would pay"...

Bnet3435186d ago

So EA really hasn't changed.

DiffusionE5185d ago

No they haven't. EA's business policy will never change. It is whether their contracted developers come up with a good game or not that generates the supposed 'changes'. Publishers are the worst in this industry, while at least some devs are sympathetic towards gamers.

qface645185d ago

they tried to change did that help their wallets in any way? far from it

STK0265185d ago

EA changed. At one point they invested in new IPs, published risky projects, provided quality content, pushed for innovation, was willing to publish both hardcore games and casual ones rather than ask its developer to "mainstream" their hardcore offerings. What happened? Great critical reception, low sales.

On the other hand, at the same time, a company called Activision, which used to deliver new experiences (Guitar Hero) and quality franchises (like CoD), became Activision-Blizzard. They started milking like there's no tomorrow and made more money than ever, trumping EA and becoming the biggest third party publisher in the world, a title EA hold for years.

So, let's say you're an investor today, which of those two are you going to invest in?

You see, EA tried to please gamers, but it didn't pay off, and now they have to please the share holders.

smittyjerkins5185d ago

I agree with the above comment. EA is a business not a charity. You can't survive as a business if you make your product free, especially if it costs a lot of money to make.

led10905185d ago

@STK026 - I agree with you completely. I remember EA where actually happy bout Crysis being just for the PC. They were not putting any sorta pressure at all on Crytek to develop the game on the consoles. On the other hand if it would have been activision they wouldn't have agreed to publish the game in the first place since it wasn't on the consoles. Also, they brought a lot of innovative titles such as mirrors edge and dead space which were not everybodys cup of tea. Even though they have had to change their business strategy right now because of losing the numero uno position, they're still much better off than Activision cause they're actually trying to improve game quality at the same time. Look at FIFA. Who would have thought it would ever trump PES. But look at it now. Activision are going through a phase which EA has gone through in the past. I hope EA give them a good enough challenge so maybe one day they can change their ways and try something new.

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wicko5185d ago

Depending on the cost, I would not doubt that people would be willing to pay for the mod tools if this game remains popular. Making mods for games is a great way to build up a portfolio and eventually land a job in the industry.

Proxy5185d ago

You could just build your own game. That could also help you get started in the industry, and you don't even need to be hired.

wicko5185d ago (Edited 5185d ago )

Either route works, but it is favourable to developers if you have experience with professional tools. Indie developing is very risky and not everyone is willing to take that risk.

Pandamobile5185d ago

Depends on the price. If it costs a couple hundred dollars for the Mod Tools, I'm sure a lot of mod teams would enjoy using it. Consider it like a licensing fee for it, like other devs would pay to use a pre-made engine and assets.

Or maybe just like a $20 fee, cheap enough so that anyone who's slightly serious about making things can still accomplish it.

Letros5185d ago

Map making contest would be fun =) Seems to work well for PC games.

FantasyStar5185d ago

They're making US pay to basically promote/advertise their game, support the game, and deal with all the bugs. And they're making us pay to help them. That's just BS.

evrfighter5185d ago

I'm gonna take Panda's stance on this one. Through interviews they've let it be known that making frostbite work on the pc was a beast of a burden on its own. I'm guessing hundreds if not thousands of hours to accomplish this.

At this point in time it sounds like they are at a fork in the road.
1.)Do we spend who knows how many hundreds of hours building a SDK at no charge for the consumer?
2.)Do we spend who knows how many hundreds of hours building a SDK at least getting some of the costs back?
3.)Do we forget about mod tools completely?

no matter how much you wanna argue it. #1 is not gonna happen no matter who the developer is called. so you're left with #2 and #3.

I'd rather have mod tools then none. Mod teams could easily drop a "Donation" button on their website to get their money back. I know I'd donate a few bucks if there was a finished mod that I enjoyed. The result of that is I'd feel more involved with that particular mod community.

mrv3215185d ago (Edited 5185d ago )

Why not give out MOD tools to the best modders on Battlefield 2. Then after a year release to everyone.

You retain the quality and more importantly increase the amount of maps.

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20 Amazing Games That Have Completely Disappeared From Storefronts

Cultured Vultures: In the spirit of preserving some kind of history of this industry, we’ve decided to list some of the best games that you just simply can’t get hold of digitally at the minute.

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TheEnigma31362d ago

I just started playing Spec op. I've had it for years on steam and forgot about it. Such a good game.

EvertonFC62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

Fantastic game,.so underated

Cacabunga62d ago

Yes great game spec ops! Since the time we’ve been asking sony to make one:/

Auto Modelista.. a PS2 capcom racer!! A blast to play and great graphics!
Maximo!
Rival Schools!

LordoftheCritics62d ago

Spec Ops: The Line was super dark.

Incredible story.

SheenuTheLegend62d ago

all the games in the above list are bang on. this is the only reason we need backwards compatibility and physical presense of games for the upcoming future, no matter what.

Yi-Long62d ago

Honorable mention to the excellent Driveclub, one of the best racing games of all-time and one of my favourite games ever.

melons62d ago

yes! incredible rain effects; so good to drive along in rain with your Spotify playlist blaring

Skuletor62d ago

I really wanted a MotorStorm using the same engine, Driveclub is easily one of the best looking games on PS4 and I'm surprised they didn't even give it a PS4 Pro patch.

ravens5262d ago

Yes indeed. May just install it on my PS5. You know, physical copy and all.

monkey60261d ago

I adored Driveclub and the Bike expansion. I also loved Motorstorm. Evolution shutting down was a crime

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darthv7262d ago

Outrun Online Arcade, Sega Rally Online Arcade, After Burner Climax... all good stuff. I keep my 360 hooked up to play these as well as the TMNT games that were also delisted.

Skuletor62d ago

I have quite a few of these. Timed licenses suck.

Terry_B62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

wow...I have all of them except the Nintendo ones either in physical or digital version.

Also..Deadpool the Game is missing on that list.

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EA’s best multiplayer games have now shut down for good

Battlefield Bad Company 2, Dead Space 2, Crysis 3, and a handful other EA games have finally had their online services shut down.

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OtterX136d ago

I had no idea that Bad Company 2 was still running, and only now that I know, I want to jump on! 😥

SonyStyled136d ago

I was able to find games in the Vietnam dlc on ps3 the last week. There were articles on here about the server closure when it was announced in April

DaReapa136d ago

BF1943 is the only online MP game that I was genuinely interested in. Been playing since launch 14 years ago. Hate that I couldn't put in as much time to play as I'd hoped for during the final week.

Inverno136d ago

I got really into 43 when I bought Bf3, and preferred it. Everything that I disliked or found annoying about Bf3, wasn't an issue in 43. Too bad they never bothered releasing it on PS4 or PC.

1nsomniac136d ago (Edited 136d ago )

Dead Space 2...... I wasn't even aware that had multiplayer. Nevermind that it was apparently one of their best multiplayers!

anast135d ago

Once people stop buying micros, these companies close the doors.

Xenial135d ago

Dead Space 2 multiplayer had been hanging on for years - I'd boot my PS3 up to see some familiar names in lobbies. This will definitely be missed!

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Battlefield Legacy - Sunsetting Announcement

EA: "As we close in on 15 years since the release of Battlefield 1943, and Bad Company™ 1 & 2, we are announcing that their journey is coming to an end."

darthv72400d ago

This reminds me... I have ME on my PS3 hdd. Never really played it, but it was free.

XiNatsuDragnel400d ago

Digital future ppl is good they say nope imo

Eidolon400d ago

And it still says nothing about being able to downloaded even when it's off the storefront, that's a huge ouchie for some who somehow still have it in their backlog...

Shane Kim400d ago

Dont make it an issue when it's not. If you haven't played it in 15 years, chances are you'll never play it.

isarai400d ago

That all digital future sure looks great!

/s

zidane1341400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

Online game servers shut off eventually all the time. Doesn’t matter if you have the disc or not. Even if you have the disc, it’ll be just paperweight unless the game lets you connect directly to a friend or LAN play.

isarai400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

Read the article bro. They are delisting the games, including mirrors edge which is an offline game. Online servers i can understand, not being able to buy/download the games anymore? Completely separate issue, especially seeing as how some these games had lengthy sp campaigns and not just mp.

zidane1341400d ago

@israrai, you can still buy the disc for less then 10$. Hardly a loss.

TheEnigma313400d ago

You shouldn't have to buy the disc, that's the issue.

OhReginald399d ago (Edited 399d ago )

Some brilliant minds created servers to keep these old online games alive. A lot of ps2 and ps3 games that had there servers shut down a long time ago have been restored by fans to keep it going. Warhawk, killzone 2, socom 2/ confrontation, resident evil outbreak series, etc.

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DankSinatra399d ago

The disc still exist. I don’t understand the issue. You guys are upset about that “all digital future” yet these games are not “digital only”. Hell digital only is a minority in the gaming world and so far we haven’t moved into it, the only digital only games are games as a service or online only games, which end up failing in the end.

This is no different than a store that stops selling old games, just go and buy a copy somewhere else. So which is it, you hate all digital or you like it? Make up your mind.

isarai399d ago

Talk about missing the point entirely. I'm not going to sit here and explain it to you, figure it out.

DankSinatra399d ago

Talk about whining about something and not wanting to explain from an off handed sarcastic original comment.

I got the point just fine. You’re literally complaining about something that has an easy alternative to it.

ManMarmalade399d ago

I don't think you got the point

DankSinatra399d ago (Edited 399d ago )

@ManMarmalade

No I got it, it has to do with the push towards a future of all digital and reprocussions of losing games. Something I already stayed that hasn’t happened nor is it large enough right now to cause any issues as the games that are all digital are online only to begin with or make up the minority of games

So I’ll say it again, the disc still exists for these games that are over a decade old and can still be played easily. You guys are contradicting the whole “we don’t want a digital only future” crying when the dude I originally responded to stated:

“Read the article bro. They are delisting the games, including mirrors edge which is an offline game. Online servers i can understand, not being able to buy/download the games anymore? Completely separate issue, especially seeing as how some these games had lengthy sp campaigns and not just mp.“

So again, which is it? Do you hate all digital or do you want it?

Inverno400d ago

On PC I don't think it's much of a problem but I'm sad to see BF43 being shut down. I haven't played it in a while since it's stuck on PS3, but i preferred it way more over BF3. It was the lack of invisible barriers which made it better for me.

badz149400d ago

BFBC2 was still the best overall package offered by the franchise so far IMO

porkChop400d ago

Absolutely. BC2 was such a great game. It's a shame we never got BC3.

P_Bomb399d ago

I had a great run on Bad Company 2. Pound for pound, as solid a BF package as there’s been.

InUrFoxHole400d ago

Does anyone play the last BF anymore? I searched crossplay servers and it was 20 people the most on all the servers? Can never find a game

SonyStyled400d ago

The last BC you mean? I was still able to find 10v10 on ps3 2 years ago on NA servers during the evenings. I have all the free and paid dlc installed, but there want any matches in the Vietnam dlc.

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