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Sony France blacklists Gamekult

Sony France blacklists the french webzine Gamekult after the zine released Heavy Rain test.

The redactor Poischich who gave a 6/10 to Heavy Rain commented the news on twitter : "Sony is taking distance with the webzine".

We also learn that Sony France asked to a redactor from JeuVideo.Com to modify his review for Heavy rain.

N4PS3G5184d ago

"We also learn that Sony France asked to a redactor from JeuVideo.Com to modify his review for Heavy rain."

They expect to change every Heavy Rain review they don't like? Nobody objected when they gave Mass Effect 2 a 7

xaviertooth5184d ago

i think you are not getting the point.

it's not about xbox 360 games vs. ps3 games. its the review itself. for games like ME2 gatting a 7 and Heavy Rain getting a 6, you will have to suspect are these people real gamers?

N4PS3G5184d ago

eehhhh..i get my point. Don't liking a game as much as others and rating it lower than everyone else doesn't change if you're a real gamer o not.

They didn't like those 2 games as much as everyone else ..soo now they're "BLACKLISTED" and asked to change their opinions?

Uncharted 2 got a 9 from Gamekult and sony didn't complain about it

SL1M DADDY5184d ago

As is Mass Effect not a 7. ME2 should have gotten no less than a 9 IMHO and to give Heavy Rain a 6 is just a pathetic attempt at gaining hits. Sorry, but Sony should blacklist them for using a heavy hitting review for hit generation. the ME review is BS too so don't get me wrong, it's bad both ways.

gears225184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

after seing the Mass Effect 2 review i was so pissed,and I swear,before clicking on their Heavy Rain review I was like " they're gunna give it a perfect 10 since it's made by french developers" but then I saw a 6 and was surprised.

So I started reading other reviews and found out that Uncharted 2 was one of the very few games that got a 9,I don't mean that U2 doesn't deserve a 9,but if U2 got a 9 then ME2 deserves a 9 too and maybe Heavy Rain.

gaffyh5184d ago

I'm pretty sure those guys broke the embargo, and that's why Sony is pissed with them. I bet Gamekult are regretting that 6/10 cry for hits now.

All I can say is LOL, do a fair review next time!

nycredude5184d ago

Who said noone objected. Check their comments section for their review on N4g. i and many other objected. Any reviewer who gives Mass Effect 2 a 7 or under is fvcking retarded and never be taken seriously. you trolls and haters are really getting annoying on N4g. Ruining everything IMO.

hoops5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

If this is true and Sony has done this, this just looks bad on Sony as its the same as bribing for scores.
This is why i don't listen to reviews because they are one persons opinion and some sites can be pressured to give good scores just to satisfy the company. Or in the other case, a small website will give a great game a piss poor score just to get web hits and nortiriety.
In otherwords people. Review scores are subjective and BS. Play the game YOURSELF and then decide and don't listen to hype or how "bad" a game is.

Arkham5184d ago

Summary:

ME2:
-3pts "Il n'ya pas de Jerry Lewis."

Heavy Rain:
-4pts "Il n'ya pas de Jerry Lewis."

raztad5184d ago

SCEA should BLACKLIST EDGE. Those pricks deserve no less. Their reviews are worthless for the PS3 community.

kwyjibo5184d ago

That's because the PS3 "community" aren't worth taking seriously - look around you.

Sony continue to advertise in Edge and they continue to give them exclusive stories.

Maybe Sony actually appreciate an independent voice, whereas the PS3 "community" would rather reviewers try to second guess Metacritic averages instead of actually voice an opinion.

TapiocaMilkTea5184d ago

So are people actually siding with Sony on this? Wow....that's a first.....

weazel5184d ago

Yeah, and one mans perception of Edge as an independent review source must be countered against anthers view, whereby he might see edge as a conceited hotbed of furious ego-wan*ing and faux intellectualism.
I've loathed their holier (and significantly more educated, and informed)than thou approach for years, and seeing the chaos that their frankly baffling and narcissistic reviews provoke only drives me to dislike them that little bit more.
Summing up, you're welcome to your opinion, but in mine, they're just cun*s.

bacon135184d ago

Well done. Gamekult has no credibility or ability to display objective reviews. Im sorry but there is something very wrong when you take a game like ME2 which has been highly praised by a multitude of sources and downplay it without coherent reasons.

ActionBastard5184d ago

Sony has as much right to "blacklist" whomever they like, just as JeuVideo.Com and GameKult have their right to their opinions.

Godmars2905184d ago

Think it has to do with site likely basing a review on an early build, then leaking that footage. If someone did that, I could see a publisher not only blacklisting the site, but "asking" them to reevaluate their review in order to get back into good graces.

Neither side is publicly seen in a good light, but still more fault falls on the site than the game publisher.

Christopher5184d ago

So, one person's twitter post is all the proof we need now?

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I'm not going to comment further on this until there's more proof than just this.

UltimateIdiot9115184d ago

You're missing the point. No opinion is equal. A well thought out opinion is more respectable then simply say it sucks because i hate it.

Reviewers are suppose to be objective as possible and be professionals about it.

What would you think of a review who gave Avatar a 5/10 because the aliens are blue instead of green? You're not really going to think much of this person's opinion and probably think the reviewer shouldn't be paid to say that.

Fox015184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

Wow Sony blacklisted Gamekult (#2 french gaming mag) then called JV.com (#1 french gaming mag) and asked them to change their score. So from a 15/20, the score went to 17/20.
Wow Sony, just wow, this is pathetic.

Is it true they did something similar with Lair? wow

raztad5184d ago

It's been shown EDGE reviews are useless for a PS3 owner. They are full of bias, double standards and are not informative. EDGE is in my personal NO GO list, I rather read a Destructoid review from Jim Sterling that from EDGE.

Pennywise5184d ago

Is it more pathetic to ask(NO PROOF), or to change the score? (Again, no proof. Where's the integrity?

kwyjibo5184d ago

Yeah, I'm cool with that. Everyone has their own preferences when it comes to critical review, some may prefer the "holier than thou" approach, others may prefer the "man of the people" approach.

I was just appalled at the cries to censor opinion just because people don't like it. Crying that the PS3 community abhors said publication - is the same as saying that the Transformers 2 community abhors every critic in the land.

Their voice is irrelevant, critics aren't there for fan service.

DelbertGrady5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

Funny how people constantly accuse "M$" of manipulating reviewers, without any proof at all of course, and then it turns out Sony are the ones guilty. I remember when they blackballed Kotaku as well. Dirty tactics from a dirty company.

Christopher5184d ago

I just find it funny that people think only one of the companies are dirty.

weazel5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

Agreed...Mass Censorship across any medium is an unacceptable event, but citing an individuals right to display an opinion as immutable proof of their validity as a source of information is taking it too far. e.g:
Lunatics all agree that eating turds is a socially acceptable pastime, and although these opinions may be voiced in a public forum (Screaming around the local supermarket with their pants around their ankles),it doesn't make it a truth that the general public should consider.
Irrespective of marking system, both Mass Effect 2 and Heavy Rain seem to have been sold a short one by the web site, and if that's the case, Sony, and indeed Microsoft more than have the justification to question the reviews. Free speech indeed.

*:Critics have an obligation to inform prospective consumers of both the pros and cons of any focus area. Ill informed or slanted reviews are tantamount to false advertising, or on occasion, slander.

**: Soda - Grow-up. You know better than that. All multi-national companies indulge in 'questionable' tactics, so tarring Sony as the main offender is either just fuc*ing ignorant, or a pointless attempt at trolling. You can do better than that on both counts.

DaTruth5184d ago

To me it just looks like they are rating on a more reasonable scale! The amount of 9's and 10's thrown around are ridiculous. In 95% of the world a 5 is average. It is only the USA where 70% is average and it's like everyone else in the world is forced to follow suit!

Average is generally defined as the median spot between the lowest and the highest level, ergo 5/10 being average. 6-better than average; 7-good; 8-Great; 9-Really good; 10-Perfect f'ing game!

This is the way it should be!

BeaArthur5184d ago

DaTruth...maybe it's just me but where I come from "great" is better than "really good".

JokesOnYou5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

First off we dont have definitive proof this is true, but just reading over some comments it looks like even if it was most sony extremists thinks its OK, they've even already fabricated some weak excuses to justify sony's actions. lol everytime I think sony extremists might surprise me and show a little backbone, they do just what I was expecting and instantly flip flop on any issue, first comment is exactly right yet over 30 disagrees. lol just a slight implication from a fanboy blog of micro pressuring a review site and all hell breaks loose, sony
does it and "oh wait this is because they broke the embargo", meanwhile sony isnt saying anything about other French sites who've already reviewed the game more favorably.

I haven't ever really read anything from this site, but they seem to just be a harsh review site although they did like UC2 alot, they gave the best game I've played in a long time, ME2 a 7, I disagree but so what? "OMG could it be possible he just doesn't think the game is so great?" I know experts/friends who swear Emmitt Smith is the greatest RB ever(Cowboys fans) and certainly going ny stats alone they could make a solid case, but for me Barry Sanders was so much better, the guy was amazing and if he had a O-line half as good as Emmitt enjoyed he would have broke every record that mattered(still I hate the Detroit Lions).

The bottom line is a independent site should be allowed to review and score a game however they like, if they suck their readers/fans will stop supporting the site, either way at the most sony should just claim that they dont think it is a fair review for whatever reasons they have and leave it at that, going further to blacklist sites is a dangerous policy.

DatNJDom815184d ago

How in the fukc do you give Mass Effect 2 a 7? That game is clearly a great game. Definitely deserves a lot better than a 7. Heavy Rain I cant comment about since I havent played it. To me it looks very interesting. If you did read gamekults pros and cons however, they are conflicting. Every other site gave Heavy Rain 9s, couple of 8s, and I think I saw a 7.5 somewhere. Its clear that its not gonna be a game for everyone. Especially the young (and some older ones) gamers that enjoy chucky cheese shooters.

Well we can be sure about one thing however, there is now 1 more website that will definitely join the "trash sony" mafia. lol

mastiffchild5184d ago

@Soda-as a trained, qualified and time served reporter and feature writer in both national and local press I'd say Sony were TOTALLY right over Kotaku as I could NOT believe what the fools did over there. Kotaku felt they should reveal the tiny bit of Home info they had and Sony asked they withhold it for the time being. Had Kotaku used any journalistic sense they'd have understood that you get great sources by being trustworthy in this game and biting off the hand that would(certainly) have fed them reveal after reveal a result was both dim and straight out of the Cowboy Reporters Notebook.

As for the French sites over HR: Isn't Sony's gripe that they both based reviews on earlier code than the final released product? IIRC, it IS and one or the other of these sites also leaked early footage to other sites-why wouldn't Sony be annoyed? MS would be too, and rightly so.

I used to, as a fun part of one job I had at a local paper(a big one in the NE of England), review a lot of the new music releases and I'd have been rightly hung , drawn and quartered had I based an album review on it's demo versions, wouldn't I? It's the same exact thing and Sony are entitled to ask for fairer treatment given what I've been informed is all correct. They are also being pretty correct in blacklisting them too-it isn't what I'd have done but I understand why they have.

Whatever, IDK if I ever heard any LAIR rumours and, if so, surely Sony would be broke by now given the number of poor reviews that game got!However, if said review was, again, based not on the final code why wouldn't' Sony, or anyone for that matter, complain and ask for a fairer review OF THE RIGHT code?

Seriously, if Sony were offering anything for a better review I'd get why you're being so holy about this but they haven't and, as far as I can see were the wronged party in all the cases you brought up. BTW, I've also never seen anything that makes me think MS bribe or cajole better reviews from mags and sites either. Certain publishers, yes, but never Sony or MS-their pressure is brought to bear in other ways, without being explained or demanded as editors always worry if a big advertiser gets a bad review for one of their products and the rest of editorial know about it from then on in too. The tighter budget your site/mag works on the more important your advertisers are so I COULD see that having an effect on review scores but never in a conscious way at either end.

DaTruth5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

Please find the "complain about fanboys" website and go there. Some of us are getting really annoyed with your constant griping and whining about fanboys!

When you're ready to talk games, News 4 Gamers will still be here!

@Bea Arthur: Whatever. 8-Great; 9-Amazing. FIXED

@Below: Which embargo did HHG break? Just wondering because I thought all his talk about GOW3 was an embargo breach and N'Gai looked really uncomfortable with it!

JD_Shadow5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

You won't be able to get through to some people here. "Blackballing for breaking embargos and giving a score based on incorrect information given about a game" equates to "blackballing them for giving a lower score than they wanted them to give." They just want to have another reason to hate Sony because they are getting major momentum against their favorite system. You're never going to win an argument because they always have an answer for everything (including bubble gang rapes as if that's their only answer).

Let's review this: Gamekult releases a contradicting review ( http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News... ), and also gave Mass Effect 2 a 7 (which these people are forgetting about). They also release footage they were NOT authorized to release (probably spoiled some of the game's story). Sony decides to take action.

And if Sony were trying to get a better score out of this site, would they be doing this to all the other sites that ever gave a Sony game a bad score? Think about that.

And Soda, nice for you to NOT point out WHY Sony blackballed Kotaku. Let me mention why: Kotaku discovered Home, Sony asked nicely for them to not reveal it until they were ready for it to be revealed, Kotaku said they would reveal it anyway, Sony asked again (a little more forceful this time), Kotaku STILL said they would anyway (as if they were going to reveal that Sony were secretly hiding Bin Ladin by embargoing Home). Kotaku revealed it, thereby blatantly breaking embargo. Then Sony blackballed Kotaku, and people blamed SONY for doing something while not even considering that Kotaku could be in the wrong for breaking the embargo.

Analoghype got all over HHG for walking all over an embargo, but we're going to praise Kotaku for doing the exact same thing?

JokesOnYou5184d ago

Nah, I'll continue to do my complaining right here on n4g, if it bothers you so much theres a ignore button to help you sleep, or you could always go join a "da truth" hurts my feelings website, aka the sdf. lol, but you're most likely already a long time member.

JOY

GreenRingOfLife5184d ago

Hmm, Sony is sounding like a dictator, trying 2 change review scores that they don't agree with. bad move sony

jack_burt0n5184d ago

@weazel
"Yeah, and one mans perception of Edge as an independent review source must be countered against anthers view, whereby he might see edge as a conceited hotbed of furious ego-wan*ing and faux intellectualism.
I've loathed their holier (and significantly more educated, and informed)than thou approach for years, and seeing the chaos that their frankly baffling and narcissistic reviews provoke only drives me to dislike them that little bit more.
Summing up, you're welcome to your opinion, but in mine, they're just cun*s."

that is just about the best thing i have ever read on N4G. :)

onanie5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

There most likely is a reason for the blacklisting other than dissastifaction with the score, since, as someone else has pointed out, EDGE would have been blacklisted a million years ago for the same reasoning.

And most likely there is a reason that Gamekult would not care to divulge, perhaps one which would put themselves in bad light. They did not even bother to make up a reason, it seems.

Sometimes, a little reading between the lines help, to those who are more than eager to cast bad light on Sony. That applies to you too, little joy.

SaberEdge5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

So Sony just bullies sites into giving their games a good score. That's just dirty.

I don't always agree with certain reviewers' scores, like that reviewer that just gave Mass Effect 2 a 7.5 or whatever it was, but I think it would be wrong if Micorosft or EA were to try to bully that site into giving it a more favorable review.

If this turns out to be true, in my opinion it is a dirty tactic.

pixelsword5184d ago

I musta missed the SCEF on the back of a LOT of games.

blackmagic5184d ago

This isn't about the review at all. If a reviewer consistently gives reviews that do not represent the quality of the product, they will become irrelevent all on their own. People will stop reading them and advertisers will avoid them.

Sony's actions here essentially blackmails the entire gaming community. What they are broadcasting to the rest of the journalists of the world is 'give one of our exclusives a bad review and we have the power to hurt you. We will stop advertising on your site. We will ban you from access to review materials. We will stop sending you promotional materials, screens, videos, etc. All of which will put you at a competetive disadvantage relative to other reporting outlets.' This is especially effective against smaller publications where such an outcome would undoubtably shut them down.

This is deplorable and it's not the first time either. What's the most shocking is that people here, a lot of people here, are siding with a corporate entity that is trying to strong arm the industry and are actively speaking against the rights for free speech. Welcome to 1984.

kingdavid5184d ago

Far out mastiff just write your own blogs already.

You wasted 4 genuine paragraphs of essay on predominately trolls.

snp5184d ago

Ugly if true.

Course, if it is a case of breaking embargo's, and using early code to diss something, and other cowboy behaviour etc. etc. - well, that's a different story.

Disappointing that some people are so eager to believe a twitter post if it's a chance to have a go at Sony, seemingly without needing any more evidence. But, also equally disappointing that other people are making excuses for Sony even in the case that it does turn out as clear cut as them 'blacklisting' on the basis of unfavourable review scores.

Wrong's wrong. Right's right. Professional's professional. These aren't negotiables, that you can ethically flip flop on depending whether the guys in question happen on 'your side' or not.

maniacmayhem5184d ago

I find it hilarious that the Sony fans claim up and down that MS pays for their good reviews but the minute Sony is under suspicion.

Sony Fans: "THERE'S NO PROOF!! SONY WOULD NEVER DO THAT!"

RememberThe3575184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

Some of you guys are freakin morons.

Your seriously just trying to find reasons to hate on Sony and that is pretty pathetic.

If a website/magazine leaked footage, broke embargo, and reviewed a demo code, I'd blacklist (or call out) their lying asses too and so would you.

But in the end no one here actually knows what went down. This is not about them not liking the game, it's about them not following the rules of edict.

kingdavid5184d ago

err but if gamekult gave it 10/10 you could predict that they would not have been blacklisted. Thats the problem.

snp5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

err but if gamekult gave it 10/10 you could predict that they would not have been blacklisted. Thats the problem.
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Well, that's just human nature. Of course if people - or a site - compliments you (and has a sum positive effect), you'll be (at least somewhat) more prone to overlooking their misbehaviour (if the embargo/unfinished code stuff is true).

Don't think i've ever met a human - and companies , after all, are filled with humans - who can't be flattered to 'some' degree (they're worse than individuals, actually, since at the end of the day the 'bottom line' is the absolute focus in amongst all the ego stuff).

I agree there's inconsistency there, but it doesn't really mean wrong behaviour - in terms of breaking embargo's and reviewing half finished code - is right, or can't be acted on where it affects a company negatively.. (which after all, in a monetary sense is where/when it's more likely to be acted on).

NinjaAssassin5184d ago

so if this site is being blacklisted for breaking an embargo like some people are claiming then why weren't all those other french sites blacklisted?
sony might have the convenient excuse that they did it because the site broke the embargo but they don't seem to mind when the reviews are positive.

bioshock12215184d ago

lol wow if its true I did read an article a while ago about how one of the Hardware makers forces reviwers to give their games great scores or they get blacklisted I guess it was Sony. That's a b*tch move by sony its people's opinions and consumers need to hear the truth. Wow Sony has definitely lost my respect.

snp5184d ago

Curious, for those two 'disagree's' in my previous post, what exactly are you 'disagreeing' with?

Not a shot, btw, it's a genuine question.

WIIIS15184d ago

As consistently demonstrated on this forum, PS3 fans seem not to value maturity and the importance of free speech and opinion. Kinda like Sony France in this instance if true.

baum5184d ago

Look at how many self-righteous morons complaining about Sony and Sony fanboys. Wow, as if Microsoft or its fanboys weren't a despicable bunch. Wow, just wow. Hell, just check the comment above me.

snp5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

Look at how many self-righteous morons complaining about Sony and Sony fanboys. Wow, as if Microsoft or its fanboys weren't a despicable bunch. Wow, just wow. Hell, just check the comment above me.
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It is perplexing. I'm not about to make a case 'for' Sony 'fanboys', but this constant self-pitying and lack of self-awareness by anti Sony folks/trolls - even while they troll almost squad like through Ps3-only threads - it's odd.

I don't think i've opened a ps3 thread lately that hasn't had, as it's very first post, an anti-ps3 member (and thereby setting the tone for the rest of the thread from there). Majority of the time it's 'Bungie', on this occasion twas 'N4PS3G' (an ironic name?) got there first.

Hey, if it's a free-for-all. Fair enough. But enough with the nonsense self-pity then, for gods sake; at the very least don't do it while you yourself are in the very act of trolling. It's absurd.

Sony trolls, MS trolls.. other trolls. There's no special 'worst' bunch; they're all as bad as each other - anyone who says otherwise is frankly probably up to no good themselves (the likely reason they're so one eyed) in my experience.

Consoldtobots5184d ago

I've been wanting Sony to do this for the last 2 years, not to "gamekult" but to every other fanboy site run by bought off ms douches.

Sony's problem is a cultural one, Japanese people are EXTREMELY polite and meek. They lack the cojones to dish it right back to MS and their fanboys. If I was in charge of SCEAs PR department it would make the current state of the console war look like a sunday scrimmage at the schoolyard.

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testerg355184d ago

Hmmm... I guess you can't have an opinion.

WLPowell5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

and trying to proclaim Heavy Rain is a D grade game. You can have that opinion, but it's a bad choice on someone's part to allow that opinion to be spoken publically (call me a non-american, but some stupid people just shouldn't have the right to speak their minds and be paid for it. You don't hear respected sports columnist trying to say "Michael Jordan sucks, cause he didn't play for the Celtics and he didn't shoot his shots exactly like Dr. J" Yet this behaviour is totally kosher with video games.) First and foremost the reviewers job is to have a good taste in games and be able to critique a game based on said games merits (which I hate this new "have your cake and eat it too" mentality that game reviewers have. One day they try to preach that they are "professionals" the next they do the exact oppositte of their job and judge a game harshly cause of some retarded reason or bias, and try to hide behind the "hey it's just my opinion" excuse. Cool then you shouldn't be doing work as a journalist, fair enough?), he fails at his job, and rightfully so he should not be successful at it, maybe more boycots should be in order until professionalism has come to the gaming media. The consensus is the game is not a D-grade game (You may not like it, but it's not your job to mark it down just cause it's not your favorite genre/or game, your supposed to know why it is or is not of quality and speak on that (which if there are real issues with the game then speak on it) which that right there has almost completely dissapeared from gaming journalism... and what happened to simply not reviewing it, if you feel you're too stupid to see the quality of a great game? There are plenty of movie critics who don't review every big movie that comes out, noone has a problem with it), so trying that just brings more attention/questions to what your agenda may be. But I hope so many boycotss happen that we do away with the self-important, petty video game "journalist" altogether.

Edit: The disagreer is free to voice his opinion. ;)

BeaArthur5184d ago

I kind of feel the same way. I don't think they should get a blacklist for just one game, that is a little ridiculous. Based on other reviews it appears that Heavy Rain is definitely better than a 6 but that is going a little far because you don't agree with their evaluation of the game. I have seen plenty of reviews for plenty of games where someone gives it way below what it deserves but I have never heard of anything like this.

At the same time though maybe Gamerkult should have had someone else review this because a score of 6 (and of what I saw of Gamerkult's synopsis) almost feels like this person didn't understand what the game was about. The gist of the review makes it sound like the person was bored from the start (probably more of a shooter fan) and was going to give it a low score no matter what. Gamerkult should have been more aware of their writer's preferences and given the game to someone else.

I can understand both stances on this argument (for or against) but in my opinion Sony took this a little far.

redsquad5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

There's quite a difference between "opinion" and "informed opinion".

I hate 'romantic comedy' movies - Absolutely loathe them - but I'm still quite capable of distinguishing between 'well made' ones and 'badly made' ones. If I was a movie critic, it would be my responsibility to set aside my personal dislike of them and assess each one objectively.

Game reviewers should do the same, yet you only have to see how many reviews these days insist on mentioning other titles as some kind of yardstick to measure a new release against rather than judge it on it's own merits.

BeaArthur5184d ago

redsquad...well that's just it, every review has some sort of personal input. You may like the way game X plays and I may think the controls aren't tight enough or too sluggish. Opinions (informed or otherwise) are totally subjective.

For instance, everyone seemed to love MGS4 but I thought the CQC was pretty crappy and felt unresponsive and that the last 3 Acts were severely lacking what made the first 2 Acts great. Therefore, my review reflected that. You may have thought MGS4 was an epic experience from beginning to end. That doesn't make either one of our reviews/opinions wrong or right, we just see the game differently.

There is no universal formula for reviewing games because they are all different (some more than others). Some reviewers think graphics are crucial where others may put an emphasis on gameplay and still others think that story is key. The fact is that there is always going to be some personality that leaks into a review, that's just the way it is.

WLPowell5184d ago

But would you say MGS4 is D-Grade? Plus they broke the embargo, so Sony has everyright to blacklist them from getting review copys of their games.

BeaArthur5184d ago

WLPowell...no I would not say it's a "D-grade" game but that doesn't mean someone else doesn't think it is. Look I'm not saying he's right or wrong, I'm just trying to say that everyone's getting a little worked up over one reviewers opinion. This site game ME2 a 7; which now that I am about half way through (or so I figure) I can say that I think that is incredible low but at the same time I don't know what that particular reviewer was looking for in a game. If Sony blacklisted them for breaking the embargo, fine, they broke the agreement/contract (or whatever arrangement they have with Sony) and they deserve their punishment. If Sony is black listing them because they don't like how they reviewed their game; well that is just weak.

onanie5184d ago

Opinions: just like aholes, everyone's got one. That doesn't mean that every single one is presentable, LOL.

With opinions the way they are, some will be respectable, and some are not. It shouldn't take one random opinion to override the sensibility of looking at the bigger picture.

In this specific case, gamekult may very well have broken the embargo or based the review on beta code, and Sony is well within their right to slap them on the wrist, regardless of how self-important their opinion is.

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xaviertooth5184d ago

these id!0ts from gamekult are not gamers.

me2 a 7?
heavy rain a 6?

only stvpid people are running that site.

nycredude5184d ago

And they gave Dragons Age: origin on consoles a 6. Bunch of whiners.

4point7BillionLoss5184d ago

nobody gave a crap when they gave Me2 a 7/10

Sony is clearly trying to influence reviewers ... what a bunch of yellow teeth baby's ....

Confirmed - ME2 > UC2

PLAYSTATIONGENRATION5184d ago

Uc2 greater thans mass effect 2... Simple Fact...

Trebius5184d ago

On topic: They broke embargo and slandered a perfectly good game. I'd be pissed too if i were SONY. They had no right to release footage from the older build, and on top of that write a review that's just a cry for hits.

This has nothing to do about them liking their opinion or not, it has everything to do with bad etiquette.

ChrisW5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

This totally sounds like an attempt to push reviewers to release higher reviews.

Now, in reality... I wonder if M$ is paying off Gamekult? DUH! Of course they are! To us fanboys, there's absolutely no other possibility!

iMad5184d ago

Dear Sony, please stop brainwash us.
We all know your gaming division needs more money to leave red numbers but c'mon!

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gears225184d ago

Gamekult and JeuVideo didnt play the full game.
I HEARD that 2012 is the end of days.

Sangria5184d ago (Edited 5184d ago )

For people not being much conscious of the situation, I'll sum up (I used to work for French biggest professional website).

Usually, publishers like Electronic Arts, Ubisoft, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, THQ, etc... send review copies (or codes for downloadable games) of their games to professional websites so they can write their reviews upon it. For smallest publishers and games, websites must buy the games themselves if they want to review it.

But review copies are usually sent for free, so publishers expect websites to soften their opinion, which explains why games like Fallout 3, Ass' Creed or GTA IV have been critically acclaimed disregard their flaws. Gamekult is the second biggest French professional website and they are known to be hard with their reviews but totally unbiased (if you understand French, you should listen to their podcasts, they're awesome).

And Heavy Rain received a 6/10 mostly because it's boring, there are too much QTEs and some animations are too much rigid. Sony reacted like they did with Kotaku, blacklisting Gamekult, which means they potentially will no longer receive games published by Sony for free, unless both parts find an agreement (re-reviewing the game or changing its score for example).

In USA, a similar case happened with Kane & Lynch, where Gamestop editor Jeff Gerstmann have been fired for having given a low score to the game. I doubt Poischich (the Gamekult editor who wrote the Heavy Rain review) will be fired as well as being hard but fair is a real motto at Gamekult. Yet, partnerships with Sony may be in trouble in a near future for GK, as much for review copies of games as advertising revenues.

nycredude5184d ago

So what is their excuse for Mass Effect 2 getting a 7? Seems to me like they just don't like games.

N4PS3G5184d ago

Their excuse is called...their opinion

Sangria5184d ago

According to their review, it's mostly because the game has been truncated compared to the first Mass Effect, being more a shooter than a RPG.

TOO PAWNED5184d ago

NP360g

So if i say Sun is GREEN, i am not incorrect, because you know it's my opinion? Just because you have an opinion it doesn't mean it's correct or not.... I guess Sony Europe has issue with something else other then score, or otherwise EDGE would have been black listed LONG time ago.

MicroSony5184d ago

@Sangria

True, in my book, the first one was the best. But ME 2 its nowhere near 7. Much like a 8.5, it feel more like "Mass of Gears 2"

Sangria5184d ago

Gamekult gave Mass Effect a 8/10, and as they consider Mass Effect 2 is not as good as Mass Effect, they couldn't give it a 8 neither a 8.5. So the only way for them to show this is to give it a lower score, in this case a 7 (they couldn't give it a 7.5 or 7.9 as they only score in integers).

nycredude5184d ago

You people have to stop with this opinion BS, hiding behind that BS to say whatever they want. Reviews are NOT opinions. If they were they would be called "opinions"! Why are they called reviews?

DaTruth5184d ago

Reviews are not opinions, they are reviews. Articles are for reviews; Opinions are for comment sections.

Why would you be paid to do something everybody does for free! Professional reviews are done by people who can put their feelings aside and give a review of what's in the subject and of what quality it is! Most people are unable to put their personal biases and opinions aside and give an honest review.

NinjaAssassin5184d ago

"So if i say Sun is GREEN, i am not incorrect, because you know it's my opinion?"

no, because some things are a matter of opinion and some things are a matter of fact. the color of the sun is in the realm of objective facts that can be measured empirically.

a person's opinion of a game, on the other hand, is completely subjective.

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raWfodog3d ago

“Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Has Reportedly Sold About Half of What FF7 Remake Did in the Same Timeframe”

Makes sense to me since the current PS5 base is about half of what the PS4 base was when FFVII Remake released.

There were about 113 million PS4’s in consumers hands worldwide in 2020 when FFVII Remake was released (towards the beginning of COVID lockdown no less).

PS5 sales currently sits at about half of that (50-something million. We are not in COVID lockdown so many people are not as bored as they were 4 years ago and not in a rush to buy every video game coming out at release. Some PS4 owners may not have upgraded to PS5 yet and therefore can’t buy the sequel yet. And, of course, some who played Remake just might not be interested in Rebirth.

It just seems pretty disingenuous for an analyst to ‘analyze’ a situation when there are so many mitigating and unequal factors involved.

OtterX2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Yes, this and also finishing part 1 of the Final Fantasy Remake trilogy weighs heavily on it too. There's always a huge percentage of gamers who never finish the games they purchase. It's not always due to lack of enjoyment, but also life priorities etc. But factor that into the knowledge that Rebirth is a straight continuation of the story, and enjoyment lies heavily on having finished the first, you can begin to understand why not as many players jumped in. But absolutely too, the lesser install base of the PS5 played a huge role!

jjb19812d ago

I started the game when it came out, played about 2/3 of the way through and finished the rest in the last month before rebirth came out. There are just too many games and too much adulting to do.

Eonjay1d 12h ago

It sold about half... with about half as many PS5s available as PS4 had when it launched in 2020. So... the tie ratio is about the same. As PS5s continue to sale it should eventually match Remake. It's a really good game.

fr0sty1d 11h ago

I think there's going to be another wave of buyers that purchase the game once the third part of the trilogy is released, especially if they release it as a bundle.

jambola2d ago

Excuse me sir
Industry analyst Daniel Ahmad said this 🙄

Obscure_Observer2d ago

"Industry analyst Daniel Ahmad said this 🙄"

That guy is director of research & insights at Niko Partners.

https://nikopartners.com/

But he shouldn´t be trusted according to some "trust me bro" N4G random. Smh

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Barlos1d 23h ago (Edited 1d 23h ago )

Obscure Observer, so by your logic, we should also trust Pachter? Come on, it's like you're not even trying any more.

MrNinosan1d 16h ago

@Obscure
"We cover China, Chinese Taipei, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, United Arab Emirates, and Vietnam."

Yepp, very trusted and the biggest areas for videogame sales.

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Tody_ZA1d 23h ago (Edited 1d 23h ago )

@raWfodog You'd think an analyst would catch these facts, but just goes to show what gaming analysts are made of. We've only in the last year moved to PS5 only games, in addition to the install base cross-gen has been around for years. There are a lot of PS4 players still over there. It's amazing when people compare things whilst isolating all the significant facts.

And Rebirth being a direct sequel is also valid: anecdotally, I've just started FF7 Remake a week ago and I'm loving it, on Chapter 8, but I'm obviously not going to buy Rebirth until I complete the story which will take time.

Ironmike1d 12h ago

But it's hasn't sold as much the articles om Google stating bit so what if it hasn't the game is still great better than remake which tailed of in middle-of-the- game

TheEroica1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

Apologists always know what to say... 👍
Is it possible to squeeze in one more excuses for FF7 sales? Go for it!

Tody_ZA1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

@TheEroica Understand the meaning of the words you use or don't use them. An apologist argues in defense of something controversial or problematic. Pointing out relevant facts that an analysis or article did not take into account is constructive feedback and discussion. There are great movies, games and other forms of art that don't sell as expected, but later gain financial success.

Example? The Godfather Part 2 underperformed financially compared to its predecessor but is widely hailed as one of the greatest films and sequels of all time and is still influential to this day. And no, I'm not comparing Final Fantasy 7 to the Godfather, before you draw that strawman. There is one loose similarity however in that Rebirth is also overwhelmingly acclaimed and considered superior to the first.

Given the decision to split Final Fantasy VII into three separate games, of which Rebirth released exclusively for PS5 leaving the PS4 install base behind, and the final installment due in 2027, the sales performance is a bit more of a conversation than you're trying to make it out to be.

Crows901d 16h ago

Didn't even mention price increases across the board for all games...this causes all people to be more picky and limit game purchases

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GoodGuy092d ago

Unfortunate but it's the reality of sequels. And I simply just don't hear much people talk about rebirth and even remake as these titles just seem too hard to get into with many newcomers and old fans that are upset with the many changes.

Eonjay1d 12h ago

The games are really good and both acclaimed and Rebirth is even better than Remake with a 90+ metascore but if you don't want to 'hear' the praise... you probably wont.

TheProfessional1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

It's kind of ridiculous how some people here are just making stuff up to explain the low sales. Just because you bought the game and you like it doesn't mean it sold better than it did. Same with FFXVI.

rpvenom1d 3h ago

For me its cause now that i know it releases on pc.. id rather play it with mods on my pc than my ps5

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gold_drake2d ago

well, according to some other reports, it had 2.1 mio. players in the first week.

so, who to believe now.

ZeekQuattro2d ago

It's safe to say if it sold that Square would of made a sales milestone announcement like they did with past FF entries or other IPs in general. They did a FF16 sales update within 2 weeks after it launched for instance.

gold_drake2d ago

there is no way this game hasnt already sold more than remake.

there doesnt need to be an announcement for everything, especially not if they released several updates amd the ultimania.

people are too obsessed with sales

CrimsonWing692d ago

I think there’s a reason we haven’t seen a celebratory tweet from Square on the sales. It came out on Feb. 29th and it’s Apr. 13th right now… that ain’t a good sign. I think this one can reach 3 mill at some point but will be behind Remake, which when it comes to business, that ain’t good.

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