Is the PS3 Really Harder to Develop for?

PlayStation.Blog friends over at GamePro.com have written an interesting article on a topic Dave Karraker get asked about all the time - Is the PS3 harder to develop for than other systems? He gave them some feedback on this and the reporter, Blake Snow, does a nice job of presenting a well-rounded story. For this piece, I spoke to our PD group and asked them for input on this question and thought you might be interested in reading their full reply after the jump.

[Violater]

Re: http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

Now where are the people who were arguing earlier about this?
I really hope they read and more importantly comprehend the article.
Down to 2 bubbles now?
I'm sure the ps3 fans will sort that out

[InMyOpinion]

Why is this posted again? Does everything get approved all of sudden? It's starting to look bad...

[drtysouf21]

Sounds good to me. It will get easier and easier to develop for and overtime i think we are going to see some amazing things. And i've already seen some at this stage so far!

[TruthHurts]

it`ll only get easier and easier.

i`m excited to see where this all goes.

[PS3n360]

It all goes into the ps4

[deeplies]

you guys are funny.

"i`m excited to see where this all goes" Mars maybe or maybe the dimension 23Z4.

[TruthHurts]

you really didn`t understand what i was saying.

wow.

Mars?

let me guess your 360 owners.
wheres that all going.......back to MS to be fixed.

get a clue.

[calderra]

If the PS3 is not harder to develop for, where are all the arguments that it will take time to unlock the power?

You can't have it both ways, Sony fans. It's either so hard to code for that you can't unlock its power, or you're coding just fine, and the PS3 doesn't have the muscle people say it does.

Which is it?

[Ludwig]

Indeed .. you can't have both ways :3

[deeplies]

The PS3 fans are harder to develop for, you can have it both ways with Sony and developers fans. Hence it's easier to produce and so hard to code. You can unlock games power by power ups, or maybe you could just code fine and the Ps3 becomes Mr Universe with a lot of muscle. where are all the girls in this site anyway, because I want to unlock my power? If you know what I mean.

ta da

Which is it?

[Hydrolex]

How we can go to space and moon ? Making a good game for PS3 is harder than going to space or moon ? dumbass companies just think about money and profit. They cannot make good games for PS3 and all they do is porting so that's why Xbox 360 looks better than PS3 but techinqly PS3 is better than 360.
Metal gear solid 4,Killzone 2, They Getaway, GT5 and many many PS3 exclusives show how other companies are lazy such as Nubisoft !

[deeplies]

PS brand is losing and you know it, you can't be #1 forever.

[Violater]

I think as soon as the AAA first party titles are released and the sales pick up, the third party developers/publishers see what can be done and will change their outlook on supporting the PS3.

[THAMMER1]

What they are saying in a cloudy @ss way is the CELL is not made for game and they are still looking for ways to bring power out of it and use it for games.

The PS3 is fun no doubt...

[deeplies]

It is a fact that this site is 60-40 pro Sony if not more. With the unpopular ideas that you share with us( of wich I dont agree either) you should be down to 0 bubbles. How do you do it?

Noval:
People can talk all they want right now because there aren't any envelope pushing games right now: Duh we are consumers
go ahead talk sheet about the PS3: Thank you I will
But when the AAA titles do come out...everyone will be silenced: Oh boy where do you get this ideas son. No I'll probably buy one.
Same thing happened with the PS2: Where have you been Mars. Things have changed this time around.
I own all 3 systems: good for you, really I'm happy for you.
but I am a PC fanboy. To see the BS thrown at the PS brand hurts me: Hurts you, LMAO "pity"
THe Playstation brand is what defined console gaming....sure you guys can say Nintendo started it, but my rebuttal is that Sony defined it: Let me get this straight you are a PC fanboy, mmmmh k
Next...

[THAMMER1]

I'm a bit curt at times but I can only call it like it. How do you say you do not agree with me when your posts are like this.

And I quote ((you))

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4 - Dumbass companies cannot work on PS3 ? Thats very funny in 2007
How we can go to space and moon ? Making a good game for PS3 is harder than going to space or moon ? dumbass companies just think about money and profit. They cannot make good games for PS3 and all they do is porting so that's why Xbox 360 looks better than PS3 but techinqly PS3 is better than 360.
Metal gear solid 4,Killzone 2, They Getaway, GT5 and many many PS3 exclusives show how other companies are lazy such as Nubisoft !
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4.1 - Heard that before. developers this, developers that.lol
PS brand is losing and you know it, you can't be #1 forever.
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You have issues deeplies. 0_o

[Bonsai1214]

first off, thammer:

i'd rather be using unproven NEW tech than rehashed old tech. where do you think computing is going? you've heard of intel's quadcore and 8 core stuff? (i think i read about 8 core somewhere, correct me if i'm wrong) multi-threaded processing is the future. if you stick with the past, you'll get stagnation of technology. kind like how AGP still had miles of bandwidth left in it, but it was phased out in favor of a newer, better, faster, and more versatile PCI-X.

So once developers adapt to the future, the ps3 will be an easy system to program for. and developers will look back on dual core and tri core stuff and say, "wtf, so few things i can branch operations to."

second, deeplies:
for the 40-60 ps3 fan/fanboys on this site, there are around 100 360 enthusiasts. why do you think when we make perfectly logical posts that support ps3 and are mildly detrimental to 360 we get disagrees and bubbles taken away, yet when people say stupid things like, "PS3 is dead, 360 ftw" they get 5 agrees and 3 bubbles added on?

[THAMMER1]

Did you just say adapt to the future? LOL The PS3 is not a time machine and why do Sonyonly fans like you seem to think that waiting will fix this mess? LOL

LOL those were all rhetorical questions please do not answer them I would hate for you to hurt your self.

[Bonsai1214]

cause history has proven that it takes a while to adapt to new tech. check out AMD's first gen dual core processors. everyone was like, "OMG! dual core!! it won't be supported in our generation!" and now look at it. you'll be hard pressed to find a retail comp that isn't dual core. heck, you're probably on a dual core comp right now, reading my comment and thinking to yourself, "oh my lord, he's right" but its okay. you can deny the truth and the inevitable course history has shown us it'll take.

no where did i say the ps3 was going to be a success after a while. i said that it would be easy to program for after a while.

okay, and since you can't seem to comprehend adapt to the future, how about adapt to the changing norm (which essentially is moving on into the future, but w/e). in 1-3 years, you'll feel like an idiot because you thought multicore processors would never hit it off.

and where did i ever imply i was a sony only fan? i play most games on most consoles. i only have a ps3 cause i don't wanna drop money for another console because i'm going to college next year. but i do have friends (which is something you probably should work on) who have other consoles so i play them there. if you look at my new i've submitted and approved, the majority of it is pro 360 news. (which is weird for me)

i could go on, but i feel that you won't read past the first line because i've already discredited most of what you've ever written on this site

[novaIS350]

People can talk all they want right now because there aren't any envelope pushing games right now... I won't even complain, go ahead talk sheet about the PS3. But when the AAA titles do come out...everyone will be silenced. Same thing happened with the PS2. I own all 3 systems, but I am a PC fanboy. To see the BS thrown at the PS brand hurts me. THe Playstation brand is what defined console gaming....sure you guys can say Nintendo started it, but my rebuttal is that Sony defined it. Every bit of fud, doubt, and dislike has been thrown at this PS brand before. History is literally repeating itself. The PC will no doubt be the more impressive machine, but that will take some time. The Cell is undoubtedly an impressive processor. even the cell in the PS3 is impressive, even though it has been stripped down to console spec. It is a beast, and quite difficult to develop for. Now add the RSX to that, phewwwww that is one hard platform to code for.

[reaperxciv]

it takes more man-hours too

[Bonsai1214]

because it clearly says that if development starts on ps3, the man hours and costs are comparable to previous generations and consoles.

[Maddens Raiders]

That's easy. Just ask Bethesda.

[TheMART]

So we have to ask ONE producer that got a full year extra to squeeze just a tad better graphics out of the PS3 compared to the 360 that got a more direct port from the PC?

And all the other developers that made the other multiplatform games that ALL Look better on the 360? Did you ask those?

I really laugh about you and other Sony fandroids that are happy with a result that has one year more time on it. The 360 version would kick the PS3 one if it had that extra time also.

Compare multiplatforms that are released on the same time, you'll see the PS3 looses!!!

[silent ninja]

(sigh) this is what happens when they are no new games on the market. ppl look for something to complain about. jeez we are past this level, leave this to the devs its their jobs not fanboys

[ApocalypseShadow]

they can't handle it.so they lash out and take bubbles.

everything gets easier over time.i'd rather sony gambled with powerful tech than go with current off the shelf tech.

noval and bonsai are right.all this talk about sony,and they are just repeating history.they blew the doors off with ps1,nuked the house with ps2,and now they are going to atomize the neighborhood.

can't wait to see the astonishment after E3.

[tomfoolery]

It's(ps3)too expensive,1 year late to the race,lost exclusives,selling
like sh1t.Think last gen,xbox had the superior hardware,ps2 smoked it!
and xbox 1 was late to the game.They've switched roles.

[kornbeaner]

Why do you guys keep using the same arguement. The xbox was late that's why the PS2 took it. If am not mistaken the Dreamcast was out a whole year prior to the PS2. So what gives?

Dreamcast had an excellent launch the system itself was great.

So why was it not able to survive longer then 2 years in the U.S. market?

Simple at the time of the Dreamcast released it was the best system out there, A storage medium that was bigger then a CD-Rom, the first to have analog stick and triggers, even the first to have online play (although very limited).

But then the PS2 came along and had some features that just weren't there for the Dreamcast. The most important being DVD-rom for games.

Developers always need more space for their games, thats a proven fact throughout the history of this industry. The PS3 has blu-ray and as of now are yet to see more then maybe 3 games take advantage of that.
But just like the first years of the PS2 lifespan it's gonna take time for developers to take advantages of what the PS3 has to offer.

It's gonna happen developers are gonna need more space in order to make some of their games possible and as far as I see it unless MS plans on releasing yet another version of the 360 that has a HD-DVD drive for game playback, the PS3 is the only one that offers a 50gig storage capacity for their games.

And to top it off MS actually took a stop back by releasing the core pack. A SKU that doesn't even have a HDD standard, how can MS expect developers to make full use of their machine when they can't count on all users having an HDD. MS did not rip Sonys nuts off when they had the chance. The door is still open if only a crack and please believe sony will do what is can to kick that b!tch open.

[Wargasm]

Its nice to see an article that is pro-Ps3 that is well written and explains the topic fairly well.

Im a fan of the 360 but i only argue because, most of the time, counter arguments are weak and based on faulty logic.

[THAMMER1]

exactly!!

[dork0783]

A pc will always be powerful than PS3!

[kornbeaner]

but a high end PC can cost up to 8x what a PS3 will cost you.

Will worth it if you have the money.

[nanometric]

Yes they will be and they are, but as kornbeaner told you, they are hell'of'a more expensive. And also no games will use you PC to it's full potential, unlike consoles which games are optimesed.

[CrazzyMan]

Sony is also under the mistaken impression that including the ability to play DVD movies is a huge selling point. But true technophiles and hardcore gamers probably already have DVD drives. I'm a good case in point. I already own a Sony DVD player, so I could not care less if the $299 PS2 can play movies. I'd rather pay less and get a machine that just plays games instead.

In comparison, the Sega Dreamcast sells for $149 and has a giant library of games already available. Sega also has an online game network, Seganet.

The real wild card here, though, is Microsoft, which plans to release its X-Box game system next year. The X-Box will have even more powerful hardware than the PS2, and Microsoft has the marketing muscle and rapport with developers to do the PS2 real damage. Unlike Sony, Microsoft is taking great pains to make sure the X-Box is easy to make games for -- developers will also be able to easily port games from the PC to the X-Box, thus insuring a huge supply of games.

So should you feel bad if you can't get a PS2 right away? No way. If you wait a while you'll avoid all the lines and scuffling in stores and you'll end up with a much better selection of games. And if you wait long enough for the upcoming systems from Microsoft and Nintendo, you'll probably see a cut in the price of the PS2 as Sony tries to ward off both threats.

-- Oct. 27, 2000
http://archive.salon.com/te...
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[HowarthsNJ]

The same arguments repeat themselves every generation.

http://www.geek.com/gaming/...