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LBP will lack "Online Create" mode at Launch.

According to Sam_Protagonist one of the Devs working on LBP. The game will not have online Multiplayer Create mode at the time of the games launch. It is to be patched at a later time, this is a let down for many that wanted to create levels with their online friends. The feature was a big selling point when the game was announced.

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Crazyglues5685d ago

That would suck big time... I just don't even see how they could do something this stupid..

Masta_Killa5685d ago

Im sure most people wanted to create stages by themselves anyway. I can't wait to play satges online with friends for sure, but I dont want them ******* up my ideas while im trying to create a stage.

thor5685d ago

Yeah online create would turn into a killfest with players trying to drop huge wooden blocks on each other. Not much creation would go on. But it's still a feature that should be in there. And haven't they gone gold already? They've still got over a month until the game's due out so they should have added this as a launch feature.

Jamie Foxx5685d ago (Edited 5685d ago )

its COMING in a patch(i didnt even know it had this feature its a bonus),for now play the 50+ levels and LEARN to create first, no big deal

MazzingerZ5685d ago (Edited 5685d ago )

LOL I didn't even know that would be possible, I want to create my OWN levels for myself and my kids, I love my PSN friends but if that's the case then when it comes to level creation I prefer to be left alone

Still day 1 purchase for me!!

NO_PUDding5685d ago

Breaksfast, don't be so melodramatic.

You always seem so fair, but how the hell is this a really downer?

It's gonna be in there very soon.

And I don't want to create with people online anyway, I want to play online with people, I didn't even know I could create online multiplayer. Awesome.

Genesis55685d ago

If you ever seen buddies horse you'll know you're going to need a little time to practice anyway.

Breakfast5685d ago

Just cause YOU dont want to make crap with other people, doesnt mean I wont.

Id much rather make something with someone else. If you think theyll screw up your map, then stop playing with 10 years olds. Having multiple people working on one map is more productive and funner.

YOU dont have to use the feature if you dont want too. But i do, it was in Halos forge, and that worked out great.

Crazyglues5685d ago (Edited 5685d ago )

No Drama I'm just saying like I said below it depends on the time how long it takes..

For me that was the most exciting part of LBP I really wanted to play other peoples boards because I'm sure mine will suck...

And with so many creative people on the net, it's just something I was really looking forward too, and hoping to check out right out the box...
(because they said they would have a closed beta that would have the best of those boards added to the final game for download at launch)

But I guess if it's not long it won't kill me... just something I was really looking forward too.

Jamie Foxx5685d ago (Edited 5685d ago )

you can play other gamers creations at launch just not create together unless i dont understand what your trying to say bro?

seriously this game rocks im sure the patch will come soon..media molecule i salute you

nbsmatambo5685d ago (Edited 5685d ago )

note it said at "LAUNCH"..

patches could be available the next day, since it isnt "LAUNCH DAY"

Omegasyde5685d ago

1) You don't own a PS3.

2)You probally never will buy a PS3

So why even talk about missing this feature in a game........

...........YOU WILL NEVER BUY.

***Mod's can you please give us the old breakfast who wasn't just a troll but also had a sense of humor? Thanks in advance.***

UnSelf5685d ago

tbh its not that big of a deal.

most ppl who buy games hop on to the multiplayer component first before they even touch the single player mode.

if it was up to me, i would always patch the multiplayer portion of any game weeks later. both to keep the game fresh and arbitrarily allow ppl to at least play the single player mode

Breakfast5685d ago

...who are you, and why do you keep commenting underneath me?

Youre clueless.

CrazzyMan5685d ago (Edited 5685d ago )

1. Resistance 2
2. Little Big Planet
3. Socom Confrontation
4. WipeOut HD
5. Valkyria Chronicles
6. Motorstorm:Pacific Rift
7. Naruto: Ultimate Storm
8. Disgaea 3
9. Siren New Translation
10. Ratchet & Clank Future: Quest for Booty
11. Mirror`s Edge
12. Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
13. Eternal Sonata
14. Brothers In Arms Hell's Highway
15. Pure
16. Lego Batman
17. Saints Row 2
18. BioShock
19. Far Cry 2
20. Fallout 3
21. Rock Band 2
22. Guitar Hero World Tour
23. Tom Clancy's EndWar
24. WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw 2009
25. Call of Duty: World at War
26. Alone in the Dark
27. Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
28. Tomb Raider Underworld
29. Prince of Persia
30. Need for Speed Undercover
31. Red Alert 3
32. Pro Evolution Soccer 2009
33. Dead space

And these are games that MIGHT be WORTH to get for a PS3 ONLY owner This Fall. =)

So, yeah, NOT big deal. =)

Jamegohanssj55685d ago

You going to let me borrow your credit card? >_>

TGSI

rosebowl235685d ago

i doubt many people would have used this feature right away. everyone wants to get used to creating levels themselves and playing levels. then when you get familiar with that the patch will be available to create levels with friends.

not a big deal. i barely even remembered this feature existed.

Real Gambler5685d ago

This is not even a news. They said during E3 that it may not be ready for launch. And guess what it's still not ready.

Worst case, you do part of the level, then give it to your friend who's the only one in the world who can make a big wheel, who then pass it to your second friend who happen to be the only one in the world who can make a red cube in fire. Then, they pass it back to you and you put the finish flag on. A little bit longer, but hey, job will get done anyway even if you cannot make big wheels and red cube yourself.

The biggest concern about LBP is the fact that most levels could be too short. So how many people do you really need to make a short level anyway?? I agree that it should be extremely fun to build a level with online friends, but currently, it's feasible with your friends sitting beside you. If you want to create mayhem, you can still do it.

So, let see:
First, play all levels included with the game
Second, play the best levels those beta testers will have made
Third, start making your own level
Fourth, make a few levels with your friends in-house and have a good laugh.
And then, and only then, hope that the patch is there.

cRaZyLeGs 935685d ago

What a stupid idea! and the game is gold???

Enigma_20995685d ago

Wow.. I sit here... and I read your comment... so full of disappointment and anguish. I start to feel your pain... and think about how much this game means to you, explaining your feelings about this revelation. Such a heart-felt testimony from your person...

Then I remember the other threads you posted in. Like this one for example...

http://n4g.com/NewsCom-2014...

... then I slap my forehead and remember just how utterly full of s*** you are.

pixelsword5685d ago (Edited 5685d ago )

NO one's going to know how to create a game out of the box, and with friends jacking them up, it's not likely I or anyone will want to build with friends for at least until a little after the patch comes out.

So I can wait a little while to be bothered by my friends wanting me to make super penis land with them.

chasuk085684d ago (Edited 5684d ago )

Listen the game has already gone gold, so they got a whole month to work on it. I bet Mm will roll out that patch in the first week :D

And dont forget people this just means we wont be able to create a level online with our freinds. We will still be able to share our creating levels between freinds. Just not make them together online.

gambare5684d ago (Edited 5684d ago )

I'm going to be busy playing the game and playing co op with my friends from launch, why is that news about the delay of a feature of the game so terrible? I mean, we gonna have that feature soon, it's not canceled but delayed, it would be worse if we get the game delayed just for that feature.

anyway I gonna take a LOT of time in creating a level, maybe the patch will be out days before I even finish a simple level.

"The feature was a big selling point when the game was announced. "

the feature IS a selling point, they didn't had removed the feature from the game, they just delay it.

I'm a little bit confuse about this :

"The ability to create with your friends online will come as part of the first major update after the game is released. Offline creating with up to 4 people on one PlayStation 3 however is available right from the get go."

the ability to create..... that means the creation mode will be co op? wait.... then the online co op with custom scenarios isn't affected, is the CREATION CO OP MODE is totally different from the ONLINE CO OP USER CREATED GAME.

gambare5684d ago (Edited 5684d ago )

Okay...... that was a huge misread, is the Create mode, I was hearing about the Creation mode online, in which you are able to create a level with the help of your friend online, I thought it was the online Co op user created content play.

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As mentioned above, yes indeed you can play multiplayer with any combination of online and local players. "

ah, and this is good, I can play online sharing my game in the house and play with others online at the same time.

Saigon5684d ago

I think you took this a little too far...this is not that big of a deal, if they said we werent able to create content out of the box, then it would be an issue...I understand why this feature is tking a while...do you...lets hope its ready a couple of weeks after release, but even if its not it still won't be that big of a deal...

meepmoopmeep5684d ago (Edited 5684d ago )

Mrs.Breakfast has a PS3.

i played MGO with her and she tea-bagged me.
brags about it all the time and has a tattoo of it on her back.

i'm a little disappointed about this news, but i was going to create levels on my own at first anyhow so it's not that much of a damper. by the time i become l337 designer the patch should be out.

Bnet3435684d ago

I purchased a PS3 just for this game, WTF man! I wanted to play online from day one.

himdeel5684d ago

...was available and I'll be using my wife as the Guinea pig for the levels I create. I really want LBP just so she and I can play some and create some classically remade levels of her favorite game, Mario Bros.

Besides I wouldn't want my friends to see the levels I create until they are done. What sense does it make to create a level with my friends and then turn around and play those same levels with them that they just helped to create.

TRUE it would be fun to watch my pals die as we test new level designs etc and haggle over what should be placed where and how, but this give me a chance to get a feel for the game before I invite people into my LBP world :)

shelbygt335684d ago

Seriously, you need to double check your PS3 Exclusives list there... Lots of those aren't exclusive at all.

the_gaming_guy5684d ago

This is kinda rubbish. I wanted to make a level based on this http://www.youtube.com/watc...

CrazzyMan5684d ago (Edited 5684d ago )

lol, so you are saying, that PS3 OWNERS should play exclusive games ONLY? =)))

Anyway, on topic, you probably won`t be able to SHARE new created levels ONLINE and play them together, BUT, you still will be able to play those over 50 levels ONLINE with friend + your own created level offline with friends, and probably after 1 month or a little more, ability to SHARE and PLAY you created level ONLINE will be available.

It`s not like anyone going to play ONLY 1 game all this Christmas?

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skynidas5685d ago

I dont care, i will be spending my time on finishing the levels that come in the disc to learn how to make them, then ill be creating levels by myself, and then create them online with friends when the update comes out, to me is not a big deal

Crazyglues5685d ago

well that all depends on how long will it take for the update to come out... a month... two months... 5 months..?

skynidas5685d ago

I dont think that it will take more than 2 months, if u read the post they said that they are already working on it

micro_invader5685d ago

That's what I was thinking too. I'd finish all the main levels first then start creating.

DavidMacDougall5685d ago

Totally agree i said this on the open zone

Omegasyde5685d ago

Crazy don't feel like you are getting ripped off man. You will get free DLC from other players as well Media Molecule/Sony.

The game is also 4 players online and off line. Thus beating Mario at his own game of superb platforming with multiple people
(SSBM doesn't count)

I also see Nintendo doing the next Mario game where players can play as mario, luigi, toad, koopa in a side scroller. In Fact I call it right now: Nintendo creates next Mario game with 4 player co-op.

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Hellsvacancy5685d ago

Its not that much of a big deal - its gonna take a day or two to learn how to create a level let alone upload it online and let others play,

Lbp is not a first day release for me im plannin on buyin it a week later so i dont care....

Breakfast5685d ago

....it depends how long that update is gonna come out.

Multiple minds is greater then one.

Jamegohanssj55685d ago

Be funny if they're like oh the patch will be out the weekend of the launch. ZOMG!

TGSI

The gaming GOD5685d ago (Edited 5685d ago )

I say that because when you take a look at the game's trophy list, one of the is called the "socialite" trophy.

The socialite trophy is achieved when you along with 3 other people NOT on your friends list create and level.

That trophy right there tells you online create mode is there.

So I think the feature will be in the game at the start. Not something patched into an update like the forum says

thor5685d ago

Socialite trophy is awarded for those who COMPLETE a level with 3 people not on their friends list. Not create. But that level could quite happily be a level that ONE of you has created offline, possibly with other players offline.

Julie5684d ago (Edited 5684d ago )

just now he edited his post...well here is the update:

"Is online create in the game from launch?
No it's not, however it will be included in the first game update after launch. We're working on making this available as quickly as possible, but want to make sure it's right before releasing it.

What does online create actually mean?
Online create, quite simply, is the ability to use the create side of the game in an online multiplayer fashion.

So I can still share my levels?
Absolutely. All of the sharing features of the game are up and running.

And I can still play multiplayer?
Yes, both online and offline multiplayer (or any combination of the two) for playing through the story, or any downloaded levels.

And I can still create levels with my friends offline?
Totally. Up to 4 players can work together on a single PS3 to create levels. Also, you can still work collaboratively with friends to build levels by exchanging them through the share portion of the game.

From my perspective, which you can take or leave, it is well worth getting some practise in with the create side of the game before trying to use it in a multiplayer fashion as it can be somewhat frustrating to get things done if everyone you're working with is still getting used to all the functions. While it's not ideal to have to wait for this feature to be released, it might actually be beneficial to creators until it happens as you'll be able to work out the tools entirely, and figure out how best to work with others on your projects

[post edited to include more information as it has been linked to from other sites]
Message Edited by Sam_Protagonist on 09-22-2008 08:38 AM".

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Most Offensive Video Games That Would Never Cut It Today

Times are changing, and these games would have never been made in today's climate.

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thorstein28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Every single time someone uses this phrase whether it's music, movies, books, comics, video games, etc it's always the same claim.

The ubiquitous "they" won't allow it to be made. And every decade these claims are made the claimant completely ignores all the "offensive" material that is published when the claim is made.

In ten years, you can write a new article about how you can't make games like Helldivers 2, Resident Evil VIII, Mortal Kombat I, Dragon's Dogma 2, Alan Wake 2 etc etc etc any more.

MrBaskerville27d ago

Yeah, people wouldn't be constantly outraged if there weren't games that people found enraging. The whole SBI discourse shit wouldn't be a thing if all games were inoffensive. A game like Starfield can make a guy froth at his mouth, so there will always be room for a list like this.

0hMyGandhi27d ago

Normally, I'd be inclined to agree with you, but there are massive caveats.
TV shows like Venture Bros, Ren and Stimpy, and Aqua Team wouldn't/couldn't be made today. Hell, Ren and Stimpy was a *children's* show, same thing with Rocko's Modern Life.

It's not for some arbitrary reason, either. It's branding and IP alignment. Companies are far more risk-averse than they were when I was kid in the 90's. Of course, you have companies coming out of the woodwork to hell spur on similar content, but remember: Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon and some incredibly provocative material.

And for movies? it's pretty obvious. American Pie/Wedding Crashers/Eurotrip among many other "raunch coms" have fallen out of style, and are absolutely outside what the modern day film industry is willing to stand by.
Ace Ventura 1 and 2, Dumb and Dumber, Freddy Got Fingered, Rat Race, Harold and Kumar, and Van Wilder follow suit.

Remember: I am not explicitly talking about films put onto streamers. I am talking wide-releases in actual theaters. Same thing goes for games: Carmageddon, Duke Nukem, Manhunt, Six Days In Fallujah (with their original concept), Hatred, and so on and so forth. Of course, I'd be inclined to mention most tactical shooters like Rainbow Six and Joint Ops as well, due to cultural sensitivity regarding *who* you are shooting and why.

And not all of it is bad (obviously). Tastes change, and perspectives change to fit the demographic.
I should add that I'm a lefty, living in L.A. Working in film.

thorstein27d ago

The Boys, Invincible, Jojo Rabbit, Deadpool, Gen V, Last of Us, Banshee... There are plenty of media being made today that people will claim "can't be made today".

Profchaos27d ago

Yeah but if you consider manhunt which was basically a snuff film could you seriously make that game with high than PS2 era graphics.

thorstein26d ago

The Outlast Trials just came out.

But the storyline of Manhunt was that you were executed. But then lived. And if you didn't do as you were told, you'd die. And the people you killed were not innocents.

It was all filmed by a psychopath.

As we speak GTA VI is being finished up for a release. You get to play a Bonnie and Clyde type of protagonist who run up against the law.

Bodycam looks so real.

People are making those games. Articles like this will always exist no matter how incorrect they are, no matter how many times they blame "them" for whatever it is "they" do to prevent "those" games from being made.

Number1TailzFan27d ago

The UK is the biggest junk country pandering to that nonsense as well, with laws against free speech and expression to match. It got so bad even Rowan Atkinson made a video on free speech about it.

Now the UK raises the age rating on harmless films like Mary Poppins, it's just a load of pansy weak ass nonsense.

MrDead27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

The right wing Tories have been in power in the UK for the 14 years you know the ones that are "anti-woke", blame them for your perceptions.

Killer2020UK27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

Are these snowflakes in the room with us now?

This is more faux outrage designed to get hits. The consequences are unfortunately creating hysteria amongst those willing to buy into it and blame "them" or "the left" or "liberals" meanwhile the left are kicking off about genocide, actual real world abhorrent acts. Nobody is campaigning to censor this shit.

Huey_My_D_Long27d ago

Not too mention the fact that some of these game are controversial for you know, underage porn and encouraging rape.

So either the guy just came in to comment snowflakes without reading anything, or he is calling people snowflakes for having a problem with said titles. Crazy how much brain rot someone can have.

banger8828d ago

Dead Island: "The early PC version of the zombie game swapped the playable character Purna’s Gender Wars skill with a prototype name, which shouldn’t be mentioned directly. The skill name made fun of both Purna as a character and feminists."

"Feminist Whore" lmao

gold_drake27d ago

ill add one more to the list.
drakengard 1.

its ridiculous tho, especially since they'd still be able to find their place in alot of places in the world. except america of course ha. and maybe Australia.

ppl are so sensitive these days. ha. but it is what it is.

Barlos27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

They're not offensive.

And we need another Fat Princess. Fantastic little game!

Some people just have no sense of humour if this sort of thing offends them. They need to lighten up and stop taking themselves so seriously.

Deeeeznuuuts27d ago

Would love a new fat princess game 🤟

CantThinkOfAUsername27d ago

Games literally about sexual assault, mass genocide, bombing civilians, and school shooting. None of which is satirical.

isarai27d ago

Actually it's about fat princesses

Huey_My_D_Long27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

Its crazy that people are fixated on Fat princess when clearly the list is going over controversies, and not all of them are equal. Like way worse examples but pretend the entire list is like that.

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Top 20 Best PlayStation 3 Games (20-11)

Alex DS. from Link Cable Gaming writes: "Is the PlayStation 3 retro? This is a surprisingly hard question to answer as the system definitely has the age to be considered retro, having launched in 2006, over 15 years ago now. But with it being home to so many massive games, many of which still hold up today and in fact were released for the PlayStation 4 when that console was released, make the PS3 a retro console that doesn’t feel retro."

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shinoff2183714d ago

No ps3 is not retro. I dont even consider ps2 era retro. All imo.

shinoff2183714d ago

Typically, the term retro is given to items which are at least 20 years old (but not yet 40 years old).

Quick google search

badz149713d ago

No the PS3 is not yet a retro console. But if you're gonna put 1 game from a series in this list, then LBP2 should be there instead of the original, Motorstorm PR is also an overall better game than the 1st game and to put Tools of Destruction over A Crack in Time is a blasphemy when ACiT is the best game in the series.

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An update on the LittleBigPlanet server and online services

Classic LittleBigPlanet servers are to be shut down permanently following hacks.
Sony’s drastic move comes after months of downtime for the older games.

darthv72945d ago

It was fun while it lasted. And some of the user created stuff was a blast to play with.

Snookies12945d ago

Whaaa-? That's crazy. Didn't expect it to be permanently shut down...

Teflon02945d ago

It's still up on PS4, they just shut down the PS3 end because hackers on PS3 can't be stopped and go on the game making announcements that can't be avoided without having to go back to all the old game codes and updating to remove the feature etc. It's one of those sad and garbage things where hackers ruined a good thing. I'm mostly sad about the Vita, I'm not sure if I have my music stages saved to my Vita, meaning they're gone forever if I didn't save them back to it. They were good too :(

Profchaos945d ago (Edited 945d ago )

Have to say I expected them to be permanently shut down problem would be in the underlying server architecture and possibly something like a depricated authentication protocol which has to be replaced that the PS3, PSP and vita can't support which is why they can't be securely restored on those consoles but the PS4 does support it.so lbp3 was restored on that.

Given the attackers were able to breach the server there was obviously a fear of lateral movement once inside their servers so I can't blame them for this and it makes sense despite the huge blow to the community millions of hours spent building that community.

Despite this blow I believe the millions of creations are going to be available via lbp3 and it's capability of backwards compatibility with user generated content so that's something to be thankful for still not a huge consolation to the many players who only own a older console but unfortunately that's the world we live in these games are old the older they get the more insecure the servers get which the company that make them.host them on and the more likely they need to be shut down.

MadLad945d ago (Edited 945d ago )

Feel bad for the people who dedicated so much time into this game.

Battlestar23945d ago

Nice edit to your troll comment.

MadLad945d ago (Edited 945d ago )

I reread the article, and changed it, to be as honest on the topic as possible.
Let's be real, it was an easy reaction to have considering their actions of late.

CaptainHenry916945d ago (Edited 945d ago )

He's been on a roll and it's comical 😁

RedDevils944d ago

This guy love stealth troll on playstation article as I see the pattern, but he doesn't want to admit that he's a MS fanboy.

Christopher945d ago

I am also sorry people enjoyed the online aspects of the game?

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TheRealTedCruz10h ago(Edited 10h ago)
Feel bad for the people who dedicated so much time into this game.***

I'm sorry for the PC fans port begging for Dreams to come to PC... You do realise that

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Little Big Planet 3 PS4 - PS Now PC gameplay
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LBP is on PS Now and PC right?? So less of the crocodile tears/crap when you stated PS Now was crap... Clue

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The man who earned a job by playing LittleBigPlanet
By GamesRadar Staff March 03, 2015
***“We've hired four people from the LBP community" reveals Alex Evans, co-founder of UK studio Media Molecule and creator of LittleBigPlanet. Including one lucky soul who dodged death to get a job on LBP2. Enter John Beech, or 'johnee' to his PSN friends. Two years ago John was a builder with absolutely no qualifications to speak of. But now? He's a full time designer at Media Molecule working on LittleBigPlanet 2, one of the most anticipated titles on PlayStation 3. This is his story.***

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Dreams players are being employed by game studios
DEVELOPERS INCLUDING MEDIA MOLECULE HAVE HIRED FROM THE COMMUNITY

NEWS
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The CREATIVE CONSOLE creates JOBS... What are they using to Sculpt??

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the failure that is the MOVE controller. lolol

John_McClane944d ago

Why would anyone disagree with your statement? I don't get get it.

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John_McClane944d ago

@mikey15 Actually my comment was for TheRealTedCruz. There is absolutely no good reason for all those disagree votes.

mikey15943d ago

John_McClane9h ago
@mikey15 Actually my comment was for TheRealTedCruz. There is absolutely no good reason for all those disagree votes.***

lol
of course there is.. He was stealth trolling stating all LBP contributors wasted their time making levels for LBP... I pointed out that some of the contributors for LBP + Dreams have actually got JOBs because of the CREATIVE console. Just like Gran Turismo fans

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***Team GT Academy Competing at the Nürburgring 24hr This Weekend with Kazunori Yamauchi
May 18, 2012 (updated Mar 13, 2016) · News Article
by Jordan Greer · 37 Comments***

If you are so clever, step up and show me where I was wrong, or keep schtum and we'll see what a hero "John Mclane" actually is. lol

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Battlestar23945d ago

Understandable they had to do this better to be safe then sorry. I just wish those right wing racists that hacked the servers and started posting homophobic slurs would get want they deserve a good few decades in prison.

Profchaos945d ago (Edited 945d ago )

That's the thing I guess if it wasn't them it would just be someone else and we would still be in this position regardless of their intent.

darthv72945d ago

What are you going on about?

Profchaos945d ago

The attackers breached and manipulated the servers to place abusive messages all over the game ccontent https://www.ruetir.com/2021...

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