Addicted to Too Human - Camera & Combat "too good for the cynics..."

XboxOZ360 writes:

"I've played the demo upwards of 10 hours. Not the full game. The demo! What makes that even more outrageous is the fact I hated or at least was indifferent to my first hour with it. But then on my second playthrough things started to click, and by my third somehow Silicon Knights had put a needle in my arm and I've been addicted ever since. And apparently I'm not the only one...

The purpose of this three-part article is to seek forgiveness for my earlier judgements in far greater detail. My failure was to judge a book by its cover, and by what misinformed others were saying, rather than by the contents within..."

Part One covers the Camera and Combat where the author claims:

"The camera wasn't the problem, it was me... Diablo, God of War and Skate (I'll explain later), never let me control a completely free roam camera either, and yet all were excellent titles in their own right and as such make any complaints here seem superficial."

"It was like one minute I was playing Fight Night as a button masher, and then the next minute I'd been exposed to a wonderful world of complexity hidden in the right analogue stick, full of various jabs, hooks, uppercuts, parries and haymakers."

[leeeeed]

I'll actually download the demo :P

[read disc error]

you will be pleasently surprised. it's so obvious after playing the demo a couple times that many journalists just have it out for denis dyack because of the neogaf forum fiasco. Eurogamer and edge seem to be the harshest. The eurogamer mod went WAAAAAAAY overboard though so it's apparent that Dyack did his girlfriend or peed in his cereal or something.

This is just a flat out good game. so close to almost being a AAA title that it hurts. This game is something that has never been done before-- an action game with moves on par with Ninja Gaiden combined with a dungeon crawler with loot and customization on par with Diablo.

[morganfell]

Download it now? They changed the demo? And that comparison to Diablo was lame. Diablo is still on my PC and I never had an incident of the camera a facing the wall while I was trying to save my neck.

[read disc error]

then change the camera to the isometric view so the gameplay resembles diablo. or you could hit the left bumper and the camera will reset right behind you. see how easy. you're another hardcore sony fanboy and I doubt you played this game. please give me a list of xbox 360 games you actually like.

@morganfell

Too Human is one of our last hopes for RPGS, you say? rofl. you do know that fable 2, tales of vesperia, last remnant, star ocean, infinite undiscovery, FF13, Huxley, champions online, and fallout 3 are all coming out on the 360 don't you? honestly, i was not expecting to like this game but the demo won me over.

your picture proves nothing. who says it is yours. list off the games you like on the 360 then.

[morganfell]

There are too many times when you have no control. The AI is atrocious, the level design moronic, upgrade system convoluted. The game is a mess. I know it is one of your last hopes. I wanted it to be good way back when it was cyberpunk before they cut the soul out of the game and drank too many Kroner beers.

And oh, just for you and some of your desperate friends below:

http://i39.photobucket.com/...

Edit: BTW, I shouldn't have to avoid using a game feature just to see what I am doing. If the camera only functions correctly in isometric then that is the only view that should be in the game. You don't give someone a feature and say here don't use it though because it is broken. The issue here is denial, denial, denial and you guys are knee deep in the old grand river of Africa.

[Superfragilistic]

*Looks at morganfells pic and unsure whether it's legit, he no less reads the "yes I have a 360" and can't help but think... "yes you have hairy arms!*

If it's truly yours nice TV btw. ;)

Anyways that "I know it is one of you last hopes" is silly, I've got enough problems playing all the quality titles already out, to be worried about all the awesome games in the near future. :)

[morganfell]

As for the Xbox games I like lets see. Do you mean Xbox or 360? Because unlike the PS2 the Xbox is just dead. I still have some of those games too though. I have 360 games. Even HALO Legendary. Need a picture of the Helmet too?

EDIT: Yes that is mine. The TV is a 52in XBR. 360 on oneside, PS3 on the other, and Wii in the center. Not that I ever turn that useless Wii on.

Here is what people are missing. I wanted Too Human to be good. But it just isn't. I am quite unhappy that SK took what could have been a good game and gutted it. Then when they had tech issues they attacked Epic and the entire world for their woes. It was everyone's fault but SK's. Whenever I see an incident like that and the central party tries to come off guilt free I shake my head.

@Obama. I too still have Diablo on my PC and I have never had the camera suddenly face a wall when I was trying to save my own skin.

One more EDIT: A game can be on and off for years and still come out okay. Prey wasn't groundbreaking but it was okay.

On the other hand, they made an abortion out of Perfect Dark. They ruined that game and hurt the franchise for years. I have Greg Rucka's books. They should have read them. Joanna Dark is in a very gritty dark world and fighting for her life against a meglomaniacal corporation. Too bad they missed that. I still have that game though. Couldn't bring myself to get rid of it.

[Obama]

hey I still play diablo 2 XD. Too human is nothing compared to this legendary game.

[xm15e2s]

I had pretty much zero interest in this game before playing the demo.
Since then I have played the demo about 10 or 15 times. It is pure awesome and I can't wait for the full game.

I also agree that gaming journalists have let their dislike for Denis Dyack cloud their judgement when it comes to his game. They are very transparent.
Once you get used to the camera and the combat, the game becomes increasingly addicting. The claims that this game is fatally flawed are complete nonsense.

[Atomic]

please don't , it's a waste of bandwidth.

[green]

Well the demo hangs on to the number 8 spot on xbox live for a second week running.Only dropping one spot in the past week.

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...

And this does not taking into account the number of people disconnecting from live to play as the other classes.

If the online popularity translates to sales, then Deenis Dyack will be one happy man..

[morganfell]

read disc error, did I use the word RPG? Did I? You work just like MS and really know how to lie. The best lies are the truth told with a slant. Mattrick and Greenberg keep screwing that part up and just tell lies that make them look silly.

But MS has very few angles left to play. The EA news is a huge spiked club to the head.

I think you saw something there that I didn't write. RPG, Pffft. I think your brain has a read disk error. And you, well you have an ignore button under your name. Let's press it and see if it doesn't make my life better. Hmmm...why yes it does. Nice talking to you...not.

BTW, playing the demo and forking over $59 when Mercenaries is right around the corner are two different things.

[The Lazy One]

The number of PS3's has more than doubled. What do you expect the sales of it's games to do? fall?

BREAKING NEWS: "The Sky is blue. Microsoft destruction imminent"

[green]

And what does mercenaries 2 have to do with Too Human?

None of my real friends on my friends list are buying mercenaries 2 but we are all buying Too Human.

If you don't like the game fine.No game can appeal to everyone.

[Snukadaman]

First time I did play the demo i was really quite bored...since the last time I played the demo it took me 1 hour and 24 minutes to come to the end of the demo...I was angry it ended and deleted the thing off my hdd...I did not know there were sniper rifles and other stuff in the game...one thing I will say is either use the far away camera or the dynamic one and things will go quite smoothly.
@green
Yes i did. it was a rifle of something cant remember the name but i could not use it until a higher level.

[green]

Did you say there are sniper rifles in Too Human?

[Tacki]

"This is just a flat out good game. so close to almost being a AAA title that it hurts. This game is something that has never been done before-- an action game with moves on par with Ninja Gaiden combined with a dungeon crawler with loot and customization on par with Diablo."

WTF?! Ok, dude... if you like the game that's fine. But saying it's an action game with moves on par with Ninja Gaiden? That's absolutely ridiculous. Like I said if you enjoy the game that's good for you... but don't go saying such absurd things.

[WIIIS1]

I enjoyed the demo of Too Human. It might not be the best looking game, but it certainly is a lot of fun and that is what matters. Some people wish it will flop like PS3 games flop and are already desperately making declarations to that effect, but I don't think that is going to happen.

[Fox01]

Everyone I know keep saying the same thing : "I hated the demo on the first playthrough, but go addicted after the second...".

considering this, I might re-download the demo and give it a better chance this time.

[plenty a tool]

---------> open zone i that way! troll along with the other saddos in there.

morganfell@ you are without doubt the bitterest fanboy on n4g. just looking at your previous bitter rants is enough to see that you dont own a 360, and are a sony fanboy through and through.....you and atomic both minus a bubble.

anyway, i've played the demo atleast 5 times, and have to say that it's a great game. i was apprehensive after what are now most definately nothing more than over harsh previews for whatever reason.

a great game, looks pretty decent, and has co-op to boot...day one purchase. plenty of my friends are all picking this up aswell.

[morganfell]

Along with the ignore button tool, let me point something out to you:

http://i39.photobucket.com/...

The EA news is a spiked club to the head because despite being 6 million consoles and a year ahead in sales the PS3 sales had a 139 to 81 lead. By the end of the calendar year there will be over 20 million PS3s out there and the damage and gap will only get worse.

[Montrealien]

So in conclusion Morgan likes the PS3 hates Too Human and has a damn sexy TV with all current gen consoles. I can accept and respect that. ;D

on topic

It`s nice to see this game is getting more positive previews, not everyone will like it, but I think that is normal. It clearly does not have mass appeal. There`s nothing wrong with that, and it definitely does not mean it is a bad game. If people where expecting the end all and be all of games was going to be disappointed no matter what.

[Nevers]

at first... but then it really grows on you. I was really stoked for this game for the longest time, and when I first played the demo, I was somewhat indifferent; but I still liked their concept of the "joy-stick combat". And then I played it again... and again... I still haven't had the time to look up how to unlock the other classes but i heard they'll just unlock over time. I'm gonna play this again and again and again until the actual game comes out and then I'll buy day one... got my preorder in now. When I'm able to co-op with my buds it'll merely add to the bad-ass effect this game has.

Thank you, and good night.

[dcbronco]

Can you or any other person tell me which PS3 titles outsold the 360 counterparts that went into making up that difference in income. I don't seem to remember a EA title that outsold a Xbox version. And I don't remember a title that was only on the PS3 from EA that could have made that much of a difference. That said, the number released don't add up.

[morganfell]

Why are you asking me? Why don't you ask EA. You may not be aware of this but those are EA's numbers, not mine.

@Montrealien, you have no idea how big a HALO Fanboy I am. :P Seriously.

[Montrealien]

hehe, noticed the Halo lmt 360.

[gololo]

im a soccer fan and I think fifa08 in ps3 outsold the 360 version by 200k (and fifa is one of EA's biggest franchises)

EDIT:
Whoever disagreed, can you point me into the direction to a reliable source that have the numbers? cuz if you disagree, then you must have a source, no?

[Omniphobe]

I'm pretty sure the PS3 version of Fifa 08 outsold the 360 version cause most Americans don't care for soccer games, and PS3s are outselling the 360 in Europe and I think they love soccer.

[Superfragilistic]

Good point bout the camera, I felt mostly the same way. And the combat is a lot of fun once you properly understand it

But whilst you can argue FOR/AGAINST regarding the camera & combat, I'll be very interested to see what he has to say about the graphics, cause they really are lacking in places...

Although he did say he "decided Gears 2 would always look better"... No Sh!t Sherlock! ;) lolz

[read disc error]

of course, gears of war 2 looks better than this game. it looks better than any console game this year.

[The Lazy One]

killzone 2 is it's only real competition. (quick edit: and it's not coming out this year)

Gears 2 does everything right that Gears did wrong. My favorite quote from clifford in E3 was the quote pretty much saying that they realized that color is good. I literally shat a brick and simultaneously screamed thank god someone gets it. Apparently Ubi gets it too after seeing PoP.

[Superfragilistic]

Yeah I think he's just pointing out it's not a game for the graphics whores which some may have been led to beleive (me included)... and PoP's art style is amazing! :)

[gaminoz]

I've only played it once so far, but enjoyed it without being 'wowed'. I have yet to try the other classes but I do wonder if casual-style gamers will get into trying to work out level ups and equipment menus as well as camera angles....

[Hunter86]

Good read.

[PwnShop]

A well thought out article. I'm glad that some videogame critic out there didn't judge a game by initial impressions and took time to understand some of the games new features such as the new control and camera scheme.

[Immortal Kaim]

True, that doesn't really happen nowadays does it? Gamers tend to play for instant gratification, if this isn't satisfied, they move onto the next title. Seems this game has more depth than first thought.

[masterofpwnage]

this game sux camera sux and the combat.

i got a 360 downloaded it. deleted it. waste of space

they wasted 10 years of there life time and should of canceled that game

[read disc error]

this guy is a total sony fanboy! read his past comments for a good laugh if you want...however, it's only funny in the way that someone tripping over their own feet is funny.

sure, you have a 360. sure, you played Too Human, suuuuuuuuure....

[Immortal Kaim]

Troll :)

You don't really have a 360, do you?

[masterofpwnage]

yeah i have a 360 i have halo 3 and LO.
i still didnt beat LO
im in the part were u get the queen i think her name is ming of numara boat, but rite im doing the side quest i just got sed ultimate weapon and im trying to get the prince

and i rented Mass effect.

my favorite part was in the end wen u think he is dead but actually he is alive and i hated the part wen u have to choose which comrad u leave to die off i pick that one girl because she was a ass to u in the beggining

but yeah i got a 360

LO, mass effect good game

but this shiit is crap. it fukin sux. this game will fail just like wat my 360 did to me 3 times playing Mass effect and LO

so u believe me now.

[Vecta]

No not really, not hard to look up a games story on Gamefaqs.

[masterofpwnage]

just look at the time i commented them back not so long. wat else do i have to say.

that in Saint rows and LO u have to pick a hardware for some reason to load ur file every time u play.

its that enough proof.

face it this game sux ass.

i would rather play laggy halo 3 then these and trust me wen i played halo 3, that shiit lagged

[dachiefsman]

you. are. a. tool.

[Havince]

game is horrid, i me an iv said it before but the camera is terrible and why isnt there a block ????

[mesh1]

if funny to see trolls like these gyus say they own a 360 when they clearly dont too human on the other hand will sell wellits a good thing most 360 owners are hardcore gamers and like depth in their game which most 360 exclusive reflect they all have depth that no other console exclusive have prove me wrong ?

[foodbox]

Like most everyone else who's played the demo -- this article's author included -- Too Human has **PROVED** to be a tour-de-force.

Too Human is an EXCEPTIONAL game, it is genre-breaking, vast in scope, a totally new experience. It looks terrific. It plays terrific. Its going to be a MASSIVE hit.

It is going to win many "best of 2008" awards -- it is awesome.

Perhaps you should try playing it instead of spreading FUD for the SDF.

[ngg12345]

How? I would understand diablo because one of the cameras is iso-metric, but God of war. It is nothing like god of war camera at all, which is preset in the perfect place where camera problems aren't an issue. The camera is an issue if you don't play it in iso, it is actually horendous if you don't play in iso.

[Superfragilistic]

Read the article, not the description above. :)

I think his point is that they're all fixed, and so that complaints that people don't have a free roam option are a bit rich.

Personally I like the strategic view better than iso, but each to their own. :)

[Brian5247]

playing your dogsh*t game lol.

[KBDuB]

Have you ever played the demo? Or are you just judging the game on what the reviewers had to say about it?

[SpecialSauce]

honest opinion (not being biased) it sucks. it's hooooooooooorrible definitely not AAA title. i mean cooooooome on the graphics are mediocre the game play is even worse. i almost feel bad for the guy that thought this pile of shyt up. not to mention the character models look stupid as hell. i mean the soldiers got dinosaur looking helmets on and they're corny as hell. plus the whole auto aim shyt NEEDS to be revamped. plus only 2p wut the FUK is that???? this is the worst game i have ever seen MimicSoft try to hype up.

[KBDuB]

Well, I give you props for at least giving a reason on why you thought it sucked. =)

But, I agree and disagree. I agree about the graphics and character models. But, I do disagree on the gameplay, I thought it was fun and original, and the aim, I personally didn't have a problem with it, but I can see where your coming from.

And, for the 2player, I agree it's not the greatest, and it would be nicer for more players.. but, back when I played Diablo 2, I always played with just my brother. So, to me it's not a big deal, but I know it's a big disappointment to a lot of people..

The game certainly isn't for everyone. But, I personally found the game fun. In my opinion, for this type of game, it's ALL about game play, which I said I thought was good, and don't care too much about the game's graphics.

But, that's just my opinion.. And, I applaud you for actually giving reasons why you didn't like the game, most people on this site won't even do that! =D

[SonyBoi]

that this whole game suks except for its gameplay. then why is it consider AAA if there are sooooooooo many defects? plus if the game is just for a small amount of people then it also shouldn't be considered AAA. it's just an average game that deserves NO HYPE.

[BLUR111]

Goodfella does not play demos he's too busy watching the Lion King
:/

[Pain]

Too Human Has to be good!!!!! it on da XBOX 2.......

spin spin spin till the dog crap fly's off the plate.

u Xbots r funny.

[chewmystink]

I think people are talking themselves into liking this game.
The game has alot riding on it but I feel it has alot to desired.
Too Human = Too Crap
Flop,Flop,Flop!
Plenty of better games on 360 compared to this rubbish.
I thought a game this long in development would be a sure winner but you know what thought did :)

[Superfragilistic]

:)

EDIT:

@PwnShop:

Suggesting bullripper's comments were clever is way too much praise IMO! lol But well put nonetheless. It's clearly an opinion piece and the guy uses a hefty chunk of text to explain his position.

But the best part is that he was one of the doubter/haters to begin with and has been completely turned around - "bear with me... as I eat some very humble pie" lol

[PwnShop]

you just said "I think people are talking themselves into liking this game", well i believe that people are talking themselves into hating this game. This journalist constructed a well thought out reason to why he enjoys this game and the only way you can describe the way you dislike the game is by trying to be 'clever' by writing too flop, or too crap, just don't be too stupid.

[Solid_Snake666]

agree

[pwnsause]

they're gonna have to play it this year cause thats all they have as potential AAA exclusives other than Fable and Gears 2 LOL

[KBDuB]

Not quite..

[BLUR111]

Pwnsause is lame, pwnsause will probly still be playing MGS4 when killzone 6 comes out.

[silverchode]

mgs4 is a great game, just cuz you beat it once doesnt mean you should stop playing.

[games4fun]

troll and say how bad the camera is but i havent played the game and only own a ps3.

so i will instead tell you that this game will probably recieve 7.5(critical)-8.5(leniant) scores, the camera/ graphics(which i have seen) will subtract the points but apparently the combat will save the game from recieving lower scores

Edit: making it an ok game for the people that like this genre, nothing more nothing less

[Superfragilistic]

And I agree, it'll probably lose points for the camera and some questionable graphics, but the loot/combat/story will probably see it score around an 8 average on metacritic.

[consolewar]

he's the man

[games4fun]

@super thanks i was being honest and rational i still dont understand the disagrees though

@master i could point out that your being a fanboy but the avatar of White Knight Story is more interesting to me at the moment i cant wait to play that game

@consolewar bubble back :)

[Atomic]

nice to see the Silicon knight's viral marketing machine rolling at full speed .
replaying a Demo with broken camera , controls and combat for more than 10 hours is just laughable.
seriously , this is beyond console wars , if this game was on the PS3 , i would bash it the same way.

[zapass]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA!

[Omniphobe]

that actually made me smile

[Adriana Lima]

isn't the only river in Egypt.

[consolewar]

can you guess?

[InMyOpinion]

Denial flows through the open zone, not Egypt.

[incogneato]

Just another 360 site trying to put in a good word for this over-hyped flop. Everyone agrees this game sucks, can we all move on now?

[Cherchez La Ghost]

I see why you have two bubbles. If you're going to disagree, come with a logical reason.

[LossTheEarthbreaker]

Please post where you're getting that everyone says this game sucks. Over-hyped, yes.

[foodbox]

Actually, preview after preview after preview are being published that are saying *EXACTLY* the opposite.

The previews are saying how terrific Too Human is proving to be. They are clearly winning over the press and previewers (gamers with this demo) because Too Human is terrific.

I've been playing the demo almost non-stop since its release -- i can say, without a doubt, that this is one of the best action/adventure games in many years.

I know this crushes the SDF, but without a doubt, Too Human has shut-up the critics -- Too Human has won over MANY critics and has legions of people lining up to say "This is a great game!"

This article says it. Dozens more are telling you the same thing -- from the demo alone -- and previews abound saying it.

You're going to have to live with it -- Too Human is going to be TERRIFIC.

Day #1 purchase for me. I can't wait.

[Snukadaman]

I didnt give it but 5 minutes the first time I played it and got quite bored.... but then I got into it and was collecting loot and then the dam demo ended.

[SonyBoi]

for not always being a fanboy and realizing this game suks.

[BLUR111]

suks as much as you playing littleBiGplanet with a group of 8 year old kids.

[SonyBoi]

i bet u were fantasying about that one right? LBP is for creative people not just kids. thats why it's not on xbox because MS isn't creative they just copy people all the time. but i can tell from ur comment that u must be pretty creative ur self.

o and stop disin people based on their PIC u did it like 6 times already. but anyway here gose....... go wipe that cum off ur @ss

[Omniphobe]

K. first off companies copy off each other all the time. Sony did it. Microsoft did it. Nintendo maybe. its called competition.

i agree with you though LBP is for creative people and thats as far as i go cause i called talk to anyone whos name is Sonyboi and cant spell and brings up irrelevant shat.

[Ariexv]

It's amazing how jealous all the Ps3bots are now that their only AAA exclusive MGS4 is hitting bargain bins less then a month after its release and their 2nd AAA title FFXIII is now coming to the 360 as well. Keep wishing you guys had AAA titles like we do ^^

[Brian5247]

Will be the disappointment of the century. Im willing to bet it wont score higher than 65% Meta. Add to the fact that the 360 is dead everywhere but USA (and fading fast) and you've got yourself some serious Xbot denial.

[Ariexv]

The game will be 85+ easily, everyone's turned around and says its good now that their hate for Dyack isn't clouding their vision. 360 still has a 5.5 million lead despite the massive price drops and blu-ray victory and it'll take the Ps3 10 years to catch up at this point. Meanwhile Ps3 has lost it's ONLY other AAA exclusive FFXIII, and MGS4 is in bargin bins all around the country. The 360s line-up meanwhile will continue to decimate the Ps3s who rely on Generic Crap like Resistance 2, and Games like LBP that should be a Virtual Console game on the Wii for $10.

[Rampant]

that wouldn't make it disappointment of the centrury. Not even disappointment of the year. Not even disappointment of the summer. There was also Haze. =(

[frostquake]

I hate this game so much for all it wrongs, AI, Camera, Combat( How many times have I spun around to punch walls..a million), but I have a dirty little secret, I like the overall game, So I will be buying!

[PimpHandHappy]

but alot of these ppl will change a tune based on a couple reviews!

I dont want this game to fail because MS needs a God of War type game but when someone plays a demo for ten hours i really take what he says with a grain of salt...or maybe what this says

PPL are bored with the 360 and STARVED for games

[Vecta]

"PPL are bored with the 360 and STARVED for games"

Wow, thats epic spin you got going.

[Snukadaman]

I really dont see the comparison to god of war. Too human has modern weapons...rifles..pistols. You can find blueprints for weapons and armor and make them. You can attach runes to make weapons or armor stronger or have different attributes. 2 different games imo.

"PPL are bored with the 360 and STARVED for games"
and here I was thinking you was making a honest comparison and you go and throw that nonsense out.

[running rampid]

wow. people are bored 360? where did you come up with that assuming you don't even own one. starved for games? i'm not even gonna bother, just GTFO.

offtopic:it feels good to be back!

[dachiefsman]

your post failed when you compared this game to god of war.

[beoulve]

Last Year PS3 get Lair
this year xbox 360 get too human.

sound fair.

[consolewar]

Now please try again.

[foodbox]

Nice try fool.

Too Human is proving to be an EPIC victory. The haters (like you) are talking out of your arses -- and everyone knows it.

Play the Demo, you'll know why this article's author is telling you: Too Human ROCKS.

[Zhuk]

Only Xbox 360 has the biggest titles these holidays with many AAA titles to look forward to in 2008. Too Human is undoubtedly set to be one of the biggest hits of the year both commercially and critically, with the master direction and vision of legendary developers Silicon Knights and the visionary talent of Denis Dyack Too Human is set to become yet another classic in the Xbox 360s unbeatable lineup.

The hype for this game is immense as Xbox 360 consumers and enthusiasts alike are anticipating the release of a blockbuster title which will become another new exciting IP in the Xbox 360s lineup, far more exciting than Sony's pathetic attempts to combat the Xbox 360s domination with shameless copies of Xbox 360 IPs with 'God of War' 'Resistance' and 'Killzone'

With games like Too Human, consumers will undoubtedly be selecting the Xbox 360 as their console of choice for this holidays, which will be reflected in hardware and software sales domination for the Xbox 360 over the inferior PS3.

The fandroids love to hate this game simply because they are jealous of how brilliant, innovative and revolutionary Too Human is. They see all the amazing titles on the Xbox 360 and are jealous because their PS3 has no good games on it and all their exclusives were commercial and critical failures.

I really can't blame these fandroids either, if I had to spend all day playing Lair and Resistance I would be jealous of Xbox 360 owners as well.

With the critical and commercial success of Too Human in 2008, there is another reason to Jump In and purchase an Xbox 360 these holidays

[pumpkinpunker]

I pity sony fanboys because for the most part--with one exception MGS4--they're mssing out on a whole generation of gaming and they don't even know it. All they can do is troll 360 forums and spit venom, hoping that 360 games will flop like Lair or Haze.

[SpecialSauce]

i did read the first sentence and i could already correct u. 360 has only Gears of War as a AAA title. i own a 360 and i check it's exclusive as well and i know for a fact thats the only game i will be buying for my 360 for the next year."Only Xbox 360 has the biggest titles these holidays with many AAA titles to look forward to in 2008."
u just said the excat opposite of the truth. PS3 got LBP, Resistence, Killzone (coming up just in time for my birthday) not to mention all the PSN titles including Siren. shyt i wont be able to even buy all the games coming out for PS3. but any time your in for a good @$$ kicking on your g@y60 Zhuk send me a friend request and i'll merc u in Gears, but u'll probably be really good considering that the only game u'll be playing in a looooooooooooooooooooong time.

[SonyBoi]

i can't wait for this game to flop so that i can bring it up as much as u xbots bring up Haze and Lair. every console has bad games in fact i believe 80% of 360 games are considered cr@p so stop bringing up haze and lair just becuz those are the only examples of games you can use to defend your console.

[Superfragilistic]

I rarely enter this zone cause it makes me feel dirty...

But you just hit the nail on the head of why Sony fans seem to care so much about Too Human and pour all the hate they can on it. And I quote:

"i can't wait for this game to flop so that i can bring it up as much as u xbots bring up Haze and Lair."

You sad little man...

[SonyBoi]

what i meant by that is u guys bring up haze and lair just because every one thought they were gonna be good games and then they flopped. thats why i cant wait for this game to flop so i can bring it just as much as u guys bring up haze and lair. jeez relax i dont care about ur horrible exclusive and i already know it will flop just watch...............don't cry about though.

[GMR_PR]

@Sonyboi

go play some PS3, oh, i forgot you dont have any good games beside MGS4, well, go watch some BR movies. This is a 360 thread, so see your way out of here. Trolls are loosing it now days, time keeps passing by and they keep waiting. I guess you like waiting beyond.

[Omniphobe]

Nah man Gears 2 isn't even that huge to me and its not the only exclusive on my radar. (I'm getting to fit in and play with my friends) Left 4 Dead and Fable 2 are enough for me to have my pants combust with nasty juice. I gotta admit though LBP and the new MAG game look pretty tight.

[KBDuB]

I also was one hating on the game, because I followed what the reviewers had said, but after playing the demo... I was still agreeing with them. But, after a second run through the game, I really started to enjoy the game. I'm not one to keep playing demos over and over and over again, but I did play this one a few times, 5 times, once with each character.

I easily got over the camera "problems" and enjoyed the title.

[power of Green]

Keep in mind PS3 fanboys are a little nervous, they not only hate this game because this seems to be more like a PlayStation game and they don't have it *but* it is also the release date that troubles them(although it's Madden they should be worrying about).

[Tacki]

I've been withholding my judgement of Too Human for awhile now. In fact, back when there was all that stuff about it being just 10 hours long I defended it and said that websites can often exagerate. Much like what happened with MGS4. Y'know, all that crap about it having 90 minute cutscenes and whatnot. I was telling people they should wait to see for themselves if the previews were true. And in the last Too Human thread I posted in (no more than a week ago) I gave my thoughts on the conflicting previews this game has gotten, as well as saying that I'd try to check out the demo so that I can share my feelings on this game. Well, just a few days ago I was able to gain access to my brother's 360 and I managed to play the demo. I did the whole class unlock thing as well. Now I can finally give my impressions of the demo.

First off, I know I'm going to get some disagrees. It's inevitable no matter which side of the fence you're on. However, I do kindly ask that those who do click the disagree button explain the reasons why. I know some still won't but I'm aiming for an honest discussion here.

Alright, so I started up the demo and the obviously the first thing I noticed were the graphics. I'll be honest that seeing videos and screenshots for this game (as well as various comments made around the web) I was expecting something mighty ugly. What I got was a mix of bad and decent. I don't think anyone's really touting the game's graphics anyway... but the game seemed to vary alot. At times it looks very outdated... and at times it only seemed slightly sub-par. 'Spotty' is the best way to put it.

But let's forget about what the game looks like for a second and examine the rest. Bear in mind this is only my opinion and I am not trying to pass it off as anything other than that. I'll not act as if I have all the facts when the truth is no one does. Getting into the controls though I can say they weren't nearly as bad as some have made them out to be. I had almost no problem adjusting to using the right stick for combat. That being said I don't believe it made the gameplay any more or less effective. The camera that so many have complained about also gave me little trouble. Though I would kindly disagree with those who say it's 'great'. It gets the job done, but it's not perfect. And while manually controlling it would have been nice... having several options with it was welcome. Then it comes to the gameplay. Quite often the most important part to any game. This is where Too Human really lost me. And I think what makes a big difference here is what you go in expection. It's an action RPG, but if you think you're going to be hacking away Devil May Cry style you're ultimately going to leave this feeling very unsatisfied. I however knew it wouldn't be anything like that. I felt I was prepared. I jumped into the combat with an open enough mind and at first I was like, "Hey, this isn't so bad." but as I went on I found myself quickly losing interest. I wasn't even bothered by the poor animations... rather I just kept struggling to find a reason to care for the game. Now I know right away from other comments that people are going to say 'you didn't understand the game'. I believe that's a cop-out. The same can easily be said for any other game out there. I'm willing to listen to anyone that wants to explain the 'depth' in the game that sets it apart from your average, but most of what I've seen in these comments seems to suggest some are just throwing such words around in an effort to appear like they know something others don't. Or that they're somehow more intelligent. Too Human's biggest downfall is that it was hyped far too much. I believe this game was wrongly labeled as something with mass market appeal, when I see it as developing more of a cult following. I'm not saying that Too Human is trash and anyone who disagrees is wrong. What I'm saying is that I searched hard for something special and just couldn't find it. And I don't believe this is a title the 'everday gamer' could pick up and have a great time with.

So there you have it. Those are my thoughts and I hope we can keep this civilized. I'm not knocking the game. This is simply the experience I had with this particular demo.

[Superfragilistic]

I don't agree with everything you said, but I particularly agree with may not have mass appeal, and has been poorly marketed to suggest such.

I generally agree with the graphics statement, but I think the enemies and loot are a striking exception and look awesome.

As for combat, I fall in the boat that appreciates the depth present, and I thought the writer of this article explained my general point of view quite thoroughly. Again it's a love hate thing, and I think it depends very much on personal preference. Personally I loved Diablo and I love this. Both are developed to the strengths of their platforms. Too Human gives me deeper combat than a mouse's point and click, but conversely it streamlines the active/passive skill and ability trees. It also gives me online co-op much like D2. And whilst I think the loot is reasonably comparable, the loot porn and naming are far more advanced in Too Human.

I think the most difficult issue for Too Human is perception, where earlier showings, publicity and marketing presented it as something it largely wasn't. It's not the next best thing, nor is it the next worst thing. Rather it is a title that innovates (successfully and not so successfully) in the console space and fills a significant and empty gaming niche on consoles for fans of dungeon crawling and loot hauling. In fact I think IGN classifies the title as an Action Adventure (with RPG elements), which personally I think seems far more appropriate than the decidedly misleading Action RPG label.

In regards to hype, I don't think it's been hyped as much as publicised and criticised over the last ten years and thus cemented it in the hardcore gamer's conciousness. Many mass market gamers have not heard of it yet or at least until the demo was released. I doubt they will all love it, but I agree it'll become a cult title and think that financially it should be able to ensure the trilogy.

Unlike many, I think the more recent mix of negative and positive previews have brought the game back to realistic expectations. And in my mind that should be, for the most part, good for gamers and Too Human alike. People should now have a clearer idea of what they're getting and whether that's to their tastes or not.

[Tacki]

Don't ask me how I knew. Just had a feeling. lol

Let me just say that you're always very reasonable with your comments. It's no secret there's ALOT of fanboys on either side but you're one of the few members I've observed here who really seems neutral. Well as close as you can get at least. I just wanted to let you know I think you conduct yourself very well here. I'd give you bubbles, but I must have already. lol

On topic now, I actually agree with most of what you said there too. I've never played Diablo and I've never been much of a pc gamer so perhaps that's one of the reasons Too Human wasn't quite able to win me over. You very clearly explained what it is that find so enjoyable about the game, and I think I can understand where you're coming from.

Aye, and I'm unsure whether being in the works for 10 years (at least planning stages) has helped or hurt the game more. On one hand perhaps it's much better than it would have been otherwise with so much time to flesh out the story and concept and various other aspects of the game. But people hear this '10 years' and almost naturally come to expect alot from the game. Sometimes too much. I also agree that all the negative and positive reviews are good for us gamers. Though it creates opposition from those who love the game and those who hate it... in the end I think it's all come out to give the game a better respresentation of what it is than ever before.

Anyway...

Thumbs up to you, Superfrag! :)

[adalwolfe]

I agree with the reasoning behind your comments. I also was not very impressed with the demo at first, I expected the graphics to look better, and right off the bat i was pretty diswayed by this game.. namely the walking animation looks really last gen to me.. why are his arms sticking way out?? It looks like he is puffing out his chest.

Anyway, I am surprised you didn't enjoy it after playing the other classes. Thats when it hooked me.. at first i found the combat very slow, i would hack then glide then hack, and i just felt really weak and the combat felt pretty dull. But once I got used to the system and found all the secret loot (i think i was playing the gaurdian class at the time) I dominated the enemy at every encounter and it was damn fun, I had a full set of golden armor that looked pretty slick even with the wierd walking animation.. now im addicted to it.. i've been playing it for like an hour each day before i go to work just to see "what else i can get" in the demo :S.. i love the random loot an armor customization..

I am not sure why you didn't think it was like devil may cry enemy hacking, i have a friend that was crazy with the beserker, he was jumping all over the place enemies flying everywhere, it looks cool.. i think he got a 300 hit combo or something like that when i watched..

oh well.. to all their own i suppose, if your not into it, your not into it..

[Superfragilistic]

Awww man. You're makin me blush! lol

Thanks for the compliment, and I'll throw it back at you for always posting your opinions as opinions, rather than what others commonly mistake as fact. You also take the time to explain your positions as opposed to the many "one line authorities" on N4G. And so when I see intelligent discussion, I'll almost always reply. ;)

Also I gave you an agree on the first post... which means a phantom disagree owes you a reply! lol

Cheers Tacki. :)

Super.

EDIT: Oooohhhh another intelligent poster. Bubbles! :)

[VirusE]

SK games like eternal darkness have long been cult games that many dont get. I thought ED was one of the best games of last gen (Few games have better stories and voice acting) but if you look at the reviews they are just average. Sk makes games for hardcore gamers and not the masses in my opinion so i do agree that hyping the game the way they did wasn't exactly wise.

[Montrealien]

Well said tacki.

I really like this game and will be buying it launch day. But the first thing I realized was that it was being talked about everywhere and way too much, when it was clearly a niche game so it was bound to get major WTF?! from people that had no clue what they where getting into. With the anonymous way our comments and forums have been going with this stupid console war, the biased hate was inevitable.

It may bring in people who never tried games like it, it may not, it may appeal to fans of games like Diablo and your typical hack n slash, or it may not. All that really matters to me is that I like it and can`t wait to play it, however I will respect any person that does not like it, as long as it is not your Typical (I didn`t like it, so it clearly sucks) rants that have been going around. It is not a bad game and deserves a fair shake.

cheers and +bubbles

[LossTheEarthbreaker]

Either way, I'm not trying to argue with any of your points. They are all valid.

I will say that the hype machine may work against this title rather than for it.

[SL1M DADDY]

The comparison they made to it being a Diablo clone. Sorry, but that in itself set me up for disapointment. Not to mention that the game is sadly pathetic and undesireable. It's my opinion and no 10 hour stint of playing the silly demo will change my take on it. I played the same demo for a couple hours of play and can say that this game is not all that great and certainly not worth 60 bucks.

[Xi]

diablo was 6 hours long... But required many play throughs.

This game is ten hours, but the first ten hours will get you to level 25, the max level is 50.

Plus it too has online.

[LossTheEarthbreaker]

that I don't think anyone's making claims to it being a Diablo clone, for one.

[pushergreen]

The best part of Too Human are the controls, quite innovative and very refreshing compared to others of the same genre. Most of the haters are just jealous ps3 twats. It just takes a little time to train the brain to the control scheme, once that happens the game becomes quite fun and addicting. So just give it a chance and I think you will appreciate this innovative and quality title from SK. Or you can just stick with the old button masher games that are very last gen.

[Fototherapist]

I can't say I was blown away, but I also can't say I was bored. I probably won't be buying this when it hits the shelves. It's got a lot of possibilities, so I'll just wait for some more reviews.

[NewSchoolGamer]

the fans themselves are sooo in denial that Too Human won't be the next big thing and just another good game on the xbox360.

[rhood022]

That's what I feel is happening. I played through the demo three times now and I still don't get the reasoning behind the people changing their tune. For me, the game is just. no. fun.

If the game gets favorable reviews, then good for it. I won't be buying it though.

[RAM MAGNUMS]

I fell for the reviews but I replayed the game & I'm terribly addicted to it.
its a way better the more I play it.

What's this crap I hear about mgs4 in a bargain bin? Huh?
in NYC its still full price.
too human should be on discount.
there isn't 1 xbox360 game that I couldnt download thru the psnetwork!
not 1!
your biggest game wouldn't take no more than 10 gigs on my ps3 hardrive!
too human goes hand in hand with fatal inertia!
Omg! Xbox is so generic! Do you have a portable game system?
no!
how's that digital distribution going? I heard from you boys its the future.
you can't even own a movie & you rent your xbox360 monthly to pay full
price for too human!
EA said phuck xbox360! What now?
resistance is a whole lot more game then you can fathom!
mgo is fantastic!
Killzone just destroyed everything on a dvd!
psn network makes live turn ghey!
what else you wanna hear?
I could diss xbots all day! Its fun! Its more fun
than too human.
alot of m$ employees are being fired this week.
devs are no longer trying to make equal looking games!
there's the wii version, xbox version & then the 50 gb version.
stop holding gaming back xbots! You pay full price for DVD when
there is a hd DVD called bluray stupid!
m$ got thier hands in your pocket & jerkin you at the same time &
I would write more but I'm tired so rrod!

[foodbox]

Based on the Demo, I can say without a doubt:

Too Human is genre-breaking and just terrific fun.

Action-Adventure game of 2008. Mark my words.

[PirateThom]

Diablo III will blow it away.

[Montrealien]

You`re right Pirate, in 2009. Diablo 3 will be an amazing game, however I prefer to live in the present.

[LossTheEarthbreaker]

I don't think it's going to be action-adventure game of 08.

I think it will innovate and be memorable.

That said, Pirate, you're remark is completely off-base and really unfounded. From Diablo III videos I've seen, it looks very wow-ish with nothing in the vein of innovation. I played the crap out of WoW (deep into the Sunwell Plateau with 24 other people), so this is not a baseless statement. Diablo III looks very generic.

[NewSchoolGamer]

that with so many other games on the same genre

[Montrealien]

May I have some examples of more games in the same genre as Too Human pls? I love me a good hack n slah and would love some suggestions for consoles.

Why disagree with a question? I was serious, the lack of console Hack n slash RPG`s sucks imo. I just got Fallout Brotherhood of steel for my Xbox lately and I`m having fun with it, more would be great.

[getheledout]

I Love this game...The demo is just the beginning and can't wait for the full version... It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. I'll be to busy playing this game...Sorry COD4, I will have to put you to rest...I Love this game

[NewSchoolGamer]

can't name them but it's action adventure meaning there should be plenty.

Wait a sec did you just say hack and slash rpg? I thought Too Human was an action adventure game?

Unfortunately for Too Human hack and slash is not a genre. :(

[Xi]

is like calling cod4 an rpg.

It's not an adventure game, it's an RPG whose gameplay is in the same style as hack and slash games, you collect items, level up and play through the story of baldur.

[Montrealien]

I`m sorry , I don`t agree. Too human is more of a twist Hack n Slash RPG imho, you kill many anemies, they drop loot and give me XP, grind ensues.

Examples of these kinds of games on consoles for me are,

Dungeon and Dragons (Xbox)
Dark Alliance 1-2
X-men Legends 1-2
Dark Kingdom
Untold Legends
Champions of Norrah
Marvel Ultimate alliance

They are all action rpgs (hack n slash). Maybe my terms are not correct but this is what me and my friends have always called these kinds of games. This gen up to date on consoles don;t have many games like this sadly, I really enjoy these kinds of games with friends and my girlfriend. They are great time wasters imho.

[LossTheEarthbreaker]

The Warriors was a great beat 'em up/hack 'n slash, but I wouldn't call it an Action RPG.

Just another game you might enjoy if you like this type of game.

[juuken]

I've never played the demo, I don't have a 360 yet so I'll just hold off this game for now. We'll just have to see how it is when the game comes out.

[Horny]

I think its a decent-good game.
It gets a little addicting once you unlock new weapons and armor and work your way up to new levels.
It does have a few flaws, mainly camera (its managable but could have been better) and graphics.
But is it really worth 60$? I dont have the answer for that yet.

[NanoGeekTech]

Would make me turn my 360 back on......I may try to download it tonight after work and give it a whirl...but then I am also playing Siren and Stardust HD...

MS has downgraded me to a Silver Account....so I have to wait some time before I can download a new Demo..

Because I currently do everything online with my PS3 for FREE...there is no need what so ever to repurchase my LIVE membership..not worth $50.00 buck a year when it can be done for free....

[Tacki]

You can still download demos with a silver account! I don't have an Xbox Live subscription yet but you can still get it without one!

[SolidSnake93]

It's probably the fact that the combat is hard to get used to, the game overall is probably ok, I wonder how good it will be when it is a full retail release.

[NewSchoolGamer]

Which means it would have less chances. I honestly don't see Too Human in any "best action game" or whatever nomination.

I played the demo at my freind's house. I am actually trying to convince my freind into buying it so I can check it out. It's not that he doesn't like the game it's just that he saids that there are so many others to buy like gears and fable.

Too Human will be fun, but I don't think AAA material.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

This game fills that great void for Action/RPG

Droids are pissed because they are done with MGS4, and now have nothing to play. <--- 40hrs of movies and 5hrs of gameplay XD

[aorr1234]

I can't wait for this game to come out!

[tomfoolery]

a lot of 360 thread trolling Ps3dorks heads are gonna roll.......................... .............................. . HEADS ARE GONNA ROLL!
Uh oh,what's this,the next XBOX system coming in a couple of years?

It's immense power will render your PS3 cell garbage into oblivion.
It will be 10 times quicker to develop for,and 10 times more powerful
than the POS3.

Sigh.........sucks to be droid.
NO TOO HUMAN FOR THE BLU RAY BOYS,BOO HOO.

[RoyBoys]

Isn't that funny how you diss the BluRay but this game is suppose to be HUGE so you are going to be changing discs a whole lot

[n00bzRtehgey]

This is no God of War, but it's good.

[Solid_Snake666]

it a cheap rip off...WTF? what mythology

[Aegis Plebius]

Playing the Too Human demo after reading some of the initial demo "reviews". They were so negative that I almost didn't bother downloading a demo of a game I've been watching for some time.

Then I changed my mind and decided to try it for myself not expecting much. Boy was I wrong. On my first playthrough I thought it was OK but on the second when I got the stick down I loved it. I've played it through a total of 5 times and I am now back to being very excited about this game.

I had no real issues with the camera once I set it back, it did get too close or far a couple of times but I just reset. The combat is awesome the RPG elements seem solid too. Graphics are marginal but I've seen some videos where they seem to look sharper so I'm hoping SK has a finishing touch the demo wasn't privy too. No matter, overall I loved the demo and am totally pumped for the game. Like many others have said it will be a day 1 purchase for me.

[Ps3Fanboy777]

Looks like 360 users are really reaching. 1 year ago they wouldnt have even downloaded the demo. Just shows how lacking games have become on the 360.

Enjoy it. :)

[OldParr]

the first impression is the one that counts and the comply is pure garbage..i haven't judge the plot it might be good

[ECKOo9]

I'm a gamer and if a game doesn't become second nature within three hours of gameplay it's not worth your time. Their is to many good games coming out to waste your money on this title! The camera, i don't care what u say, still sucks. U shouldn't have to get used to a games camera for more than an hour or two, it's alright but a crappy exclusive for 360. I expect more out of my console!

[devilhunterx]

I was going to buy an XB2 cause of great exclusives like Too Human, Bomberman Zero, America's Army .... (snicker).. Just Kidding.

[RoyBoys]

This is suppose to be the MGS4 of the 360. tisk tisk tisk Hideo Kojima RULES! The demo was outrageously horid. The game is probably going to be on many disks, be repetitive, have a very weird story. It sounds good but I want to see how it unfolds. Might be the Haze of the 360. Might be a little better. But I don't see this game surpassing Gears1 or 2 or Halo3

[Morgue]

Sorry but if takes 3 go arounds at playing a demo and not even the full game to like it, then I am definitely not buying it. I played the demo for 10 minutes and was bored with it, it's not that I didn't want too give it a chance, it's just that I really wasn't into it. I mean if it took George Lucas 20 sum years just to make his complete trilogy. How long do you think it will take Silicon Knights too make the next two games if they are still planing on it? Maybe they will wise up at build they're own game engine because based on what I saw, graphically it looked like Halo 2 graphics/cut scenes and the controls? I wasn't impressed.

[devilhunterx]

Should have delayed for 10 more years, and launch it on XB3 :P

[zodiac909]

wow yeah like im actually going to read this! just look at the source! of course they are going to say anyting to make it soubd good!

[Superfragilistic]

Yeah that makes total sense. :/

Check out their 9.9 review for MGS4 and you might find yourself corrected.

[EA Expert]

all i can say is too human suck

[dcbronco]

Fifa PS3 outsold 360 Fifa by 200,000, but Madden 360 sold over 2.5 million copies. I'm sure it didn't sell that many copies in Europe so the 200,000 difference would be wiped out easy. Even at the current exchange rates, that's a +800,000 advantage on that title alone.