E3 '08: Nintendo Says "F-You" to Hardcore Gamers

Quote:
"It's official: after this year's E3 press conference, Nintendo has firmly cemented their status as a casual gaming device. Did you really think it wouldn't happen eventually? After all, the Wii and the DS are in 1st place in console sales, and Nintendo has made gobs of money off of the "casual" crowd. Why wouldn't they cater to that market? It's just good business sense."

[zane_7849]

....yeah, pretty much.

[chaosatom]

and I think they know that Hardcore gamers' money is being drained in ps3 or xbox.

So nintendo is trying to do their best by draining casual gamers' money by such item as Wii Fit.

[Bubble Buddy]

This is why I didn't buy a Wii...

Next-gen, they're going to be begging for hardcore gamers to come back. Since all casual gamers already have a console, why would they want a new one?

[solidt12]

sure did, screw the Wii

[ChickeyCantor]

"Since all casual gamers already have a console, why would they want a new one?
"

...if that was the case Wii wouldnt sell at all, since lots of casual gamers got a PS2 too.

[Bubble Buddy]

Can the ps2 do motion controls?

[Bnet343]

Hardcore gamers say "F-You" to Nintendo

[badz149]

Nice one! also a nice middle finger will do! I hate how the Wii is trying to change the way of gaming! I think I'll stick with button push controller for now! a nice addition of SIXAXIS features are still welcome but a whole game with motion? Hell NO!!

[Tomdc]

i prefered the party games on gamecube to those on the wii =P

i regualy play my old gamecube games using the wii when I have friends over as opposed to actual wii games.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Bubble Buddy.

Eyetoy.

PS2 had motion controls before the Wii was out.

Also...love the name, but can we get a Spongebob avatar to go along with it?

[Bubble Buddy]

LeonSKennedy4Life i see your point and ure correct, but Sony did not advertise the ps3 mainly as the EYETOY.

[MK_Red]

Yeah, they definitly did that with their horrible and boring conference. In return, I say this with all my heart to Nintendo: "F-You too".

[meepmoopmeep]

lol, ditto.

[Intrepid]

I don't see why everything had to happen at E3... So what if Nintendo didn't show of hardcore games? THEY'RE IN PRODUCTION! They've pretty much confirmed it.

E3 is a huge platform and probably the best way to reach casual audiences. Nintendo knows without a doubt that they don't need E3 in order for a "hardcore" game to gain popularity because gamers like us on N4G check the gaming news daily.

What I'm trying to say is that they want to reach out to huge audiences for their casual games, so they use a huge platform: E3. Why waste the huge platform on something we know the hardcore gamers will find out about anyway? They can announce Kid Icarus in two weeks via IGN and every hardcore gamer will know about it. If they announced Wii Sports 2 like that, how many casual gamers are going to find out about it?

[Homicide]

It would've been nice if they showed us teasers of Zelda or something. I'm not watching another Nintendo Conference again.

[Captain Tuttle]

Take off the blinders man. Nintendo has turned their back on the hardcore. And they expect that their super-fans will always come crawling back no matter how badly they get treated.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Long time no comment, man. How ya been?

Also, you're right. Nintendo has left us all in the wake of money. New IP's would be awesome. Seriously.

Events:

- Gamers abandon Sony.
- Nintendo abandons gamers.
- Gamers come crawling back to Sony.
- Microsoft buys another company.
- PS3 wins the race...

Yes, I'm not kidding. That's how it's going down...and you all know it.

[Light Yagami]

Well, FU(K YOU TOO NINTENDO!

[QueefyB]

thats it let it all out http://img294.imageshack.us...

[linkmaster95]

http://n4g.com/events_e3200...

those who still gripe about the press conference havn't read this story.

[ChickeyCantor]

...All i heard them say is "we will show you 3 now"
They arent saying much about other projects....btw MAdworld looks sick! new trailer is awesome.

Honestly people are overreacting.
The press will pass this on to the casual, i mean they dont watch this on the net or something. thats why i think they showed much casual related stuff.

yes their conference sucked, but overreacting is not needed.

[Rute]

Nintendo's conference sucked. It was a dumb decision not to show anything new on the hardcore front, because E3 is mainly watched by hardcore gaming community.

It's a particulary dumb decision because off and post E3 we're getting lots of information about some very promising hardcore Wii games, including MadWorld, Dead Rising, The Conduit and COD 5.

I could even understand Nintendo only showing their own hc games, because after all Nintendo is first and foremost a game company. But no, none were shown. Where were Kid Icarus, Zelda, EAD Tokyo project, Retro Studios project and many others currently under development?

But I also agree with sidar on overreacting. After all, it's only a press conference. It was not the hardcore gamers who suffered, but Nintendo's image. If we look rationally at hc gaming and Nintendo, we can see that the future is looking very promising, a lot more promising than the current situation. I have faith on the 3rd party games and also on Nintendo's 1st party games as long as Miyamoto is working for the company.

[N4g_null]

Nintendo is seriously scary right now. I'm glad I'm not up against them WOW. I know I'll be getting the motion+ stuff and developer wise every one and their mom is calling nintendo about that motion thing and how it could make FPS better! It's crazy how the hardcore will hate this E3 just like last year and then go ape sh!t over the next core game that comes out. I mean the controls are pretty good now but dead on aiming would just be sick! Most guys here are gamers but developers have been wanting a less waggle like control. This thing will fit in the zapper also. I know I wanted another IR light but I think this could work. Display 5 dots(corners and center) and then take a snapshot of the IR light also and you got your self dead on aim. Mr Lee was good but that is crazy sweet! Head tracking would be great also. Then I would say the Wii is done.

You are so right about the media though imagine if their was more hype for mad world LOL it would stick out more as an evil game LOL. Yet it's in the back room where it suppose to be. I guess nintendo is growing up, main stream press is for the kids and bible holding adult public(right and wrong judgmental types) and the real hardcore is for the older guys that don't need to be spoon feed we will find what we want. Now I know not to expect too much from nintendo E3s any more but that doesn't seem to stop hardcore games from coming though. The new comers will slowly move on to the good stuff. I like how pitch fork sheep are getting their fur burnt over this though. The more that jump off the more freedom developers will have and if you make games then you know what I mean.

The sequel thing is getting old... I wonder how many people will get the next GTA? All this talk about next gen nintendo will go away is silly also. If any thing they know both customer bases very well. Nintendos hardcore games sale great and the casual sales are still being added up!

[--Onilink--]

Yeah i agree with you, people are definetely over reacting. I wont deny that the conference was probably the most boring hour of my life and it was a bad move by nintendo because its the hardcore comunity that watch and care about E3, it would have been the same for all the mainstream media on the conference if they had anounced the casual gaming in 20min or if they took the whole hour(like they did...)

But still, just because they dont show them on a conference doesnt mean they are not in development... nintendo has always waited until the game is pretty much completed before showing it to people.

All the fanboys have been saying from the second the console was released that we were not gonna get hardcore games and we already have zelda, mario, smash, metroid and mario kart, and i do believe that nintendo is gonna deliver more of the games that we like, even if they dont show them around in the conference. And if they dont, then at least 3rd party's are starting to release some really good looking games

[Smacktard]

I would've been happier with their conference if all they did was come on stage, say "Here's our new external hard drive" and leave the stage.

Pity it wasn't so.

[N4g_null]

Yeah I know right but you can get that working any way and it is slow as hell too. The Wii has a USB1 driver not sure if 2.0 will work since 2.0 will run off of 1.0 stuff. That would have been nice but I think the rock band thing is going to be the way things go. If they where truely casual we would have only seen the Wii music and the Wii resort would have used the old controller LOL. With better realistic next gen browns!

[NovusTerminus]

*Sigh* I had faith in Nintendo. I dont know why. But I was hoping. The Motion Plus is cool. But that should have been with the console to start... >.>

I can finally say. Nintendo has stopped caring. They are riding high on the Wii / DS and have stopped putting alot of effort into their games. And it really is sad to watch a great company fall like this.

[NewSchoolGamer]

I did find animal crossing and wiiresort cool and exciting it isn't much really when you think about it.

So just 1 or 2 games for the hardcore gamers this year on the Wii. Very sad.

[Smacktard]

There's gonna be a few interesting games, just those bastards at Nintendo didn't bother mentioning them at all. Also didn't bother surprising us with any awesome first party titles. Pikmin 3, F-Zero Wii, etc. Ugh.

[QueefyB]

it was so embarrassing seeing them play the mario song i think when they look back at the footage they will cry just like microsoft only sony will be laughing at both

[vloeistof]

nintendo died ;(

[wingway]

yeah, it pretty much went to hell when the N64 came out

[DeckUKold]

No Doubt about it.

[Shaka2K6]

It sucks i hate them with passion.

[DanB91]

Sega does what Nintendon't!

God I miss those days :(

[SmokingMonkey]

never bought one...got to play goldeneye007 an supermario64 at friends houses, but yeah as i got older nintendo stopped impressing me.

Nintendo says games are not ment to be an art, they are meant to be fun.
PS3/360 say games are a form of art, with endless boudaries.

[N4g_null]

Finding it hard to see PC like games as being art? We had those for ages man and GTTV is that art? Movie downloads Art? it's more like cable-vision to me they are making games consoles into service providers thats not art. Sure the games look good real art is about interaction not FPS and realism. The other thing is the general public does not really care about ART unless it is cheap. The PS3 and it brother are going to have to win over the joe public or the art schools some how not the hardcore gamers. When hardcore gamers start spending 20 million on a game to just show off to the public then it will be art. Lots of rich developers out there too! one problem with that is it won't be gaming any more then it would be art.

[CLOUDJU]

Ah damn it. Really really wanted to see a new Zelda. Damn.

[kazuma]

the ds has some pretty amazing games, and the wii too, it's a shame they are really going the casual way. i was expecting at least a new zelda game or something. that would have made me happy. instead we keep getting all of these wii music, wii fit, wii sports, wii play, wii whatever mainstream casual stuff.

[Shaka2K6]

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[kazuma]

yeah whatever u say troll

[Durffen]

Don't bother trying to post a reasonable comment. N4G is PS3 Fanboy home.

[kazuma]

yeah dwd i'm just posting in the open zone for now because i "offended" some stupid troll in the gamer zone...starting from tomorrow or something i'm back to the gamer zone, this section is just full of crz ppl.

[farsided]

i give them one more generation...which will show up 2 years too late, because they're so lazy...then nintendo will disappear.

[Arsenal4Ever]

:'(

Terrible times indeed.

Gamecube was thier last proper console

[tojfs7931]

The wii has a gamecube built in.

[N4g_null]

No the SNES was! The game cube was the test console for the Wii and the N64 was a 3d + cart last stand my worst experience game release wise with any thing almost expect the lynx. The SNES was the hardcore nintendo. We may get to see those guys again as tech gets stupid cheap. Lots of people will jump ship this gen though. The HD console are in bad shape too if it wasn't for the casuals the lead system would be the xbox 360 that would suck. Those guys have to get more people playing really! Show nintendo how it's done!

[Nugundam0079]

The whole E3 thing was a bust, the only big news was the whole FF13 thing and even thats not much in the way of things.....E3 sucks balls im waitng for GDC

[pwnsause]

nintendo conference=Fail Conference Nuff said...

[Rageanitus]

I knew that the moment i bought a few games from the gcube..... sorry not buying another nintendo system until they come out with a ton of resident type evil games.

[NovusTerminus]

I dunno. I am waiting to see more on MAG. Sounds cool. LEts hope SOCOM 2's creator can make another hit.

[ChickeyCantor]

>_< they just didnt mention much about other games and this is suddenly the worst senerario in the world.
Again all i heard them say was : " we will show you 3 now"...
All that i can say from that is that there is allot more, the idiots are just being quiet about it.

[SmokingMonkey]

looked like idiots playing Wii music. didn't even work right (piano?!)

the wiimote motion sensing add on is the biggest rip off in history!

this is what we expected the wiimote to do when it came out. (remeber, lightsaber game!) how many games are going to REQUIRE you to have this thing that makes all my wiimote attachments obsolete?
i guarrantee you they will sell an updated wiimote with this "NEW" technology inside the wiimote next year.

Nintendo is losing it with this casual sh!t, amatuer gamers need to start somewhere i guess

[Durffen]

Lets see, whats worse, Nintendo's E3 Press Conference, or all of you morons who keep posting articles about how bad it was trying to get hits for your site?

I don't know. At least we now know we have Voice chat coming to Wii. What are these dumb articles doing?

We all know it wasn't that good of a press conference. No need for every site possible to complain about it.

[ChickeyCantor]

I honestly dont get all the fuss, Every person here knows they will show more games later on.
I really dont get why all this hate is here....i really dont.

[25]

that nintendo does what sega did. just stop the console thing and do the software thing. i would play zelda and mario, but would/will not but the wii to do so. imagine nintendo 1st party titles on true next gen consoles.

[25]

http://bp1.blogger.com/_8tY...

[jtucker78]

I hope that happens too.

Although I don't mind them having their casual console, as long as they release their Zelda's, Marios and Metroids on the decent consoles.

Retro Studios has to leave Nintendo soon. They aren't going to make any money on the Wii. Current Gen is the way to go.
they should work on a PS3 and 360 Metroid.
Although Metroid is Nintendo ... maybe they should come up with their own IP.

[N4g_null]

That would be a bad move for retro before nintendo those guys had big problems. Another thing too they would just become a Me too developer in that drowning ocean of FPS developers on HD systems. Nintendo is their life blood right now. Just look at what happen to RARE the damn founders left LOL. Factor 5 tried it and they got beat the hell down. The hardcore are one of the most demanding groups and all it takes is for one negative post on a shaky game and you are done. it will snow ball from there with the fanboys fighting.

[n00bzRtehgey]

nintendo sucks

[SonySoldierEternaL]

so does

microSHAFT

[Product]

go to ign.com....there they have hints towards a new zelda,kid icarus,punchout,and how the motionplus actually is 1:1.there is also conversation about 1080, and wave race.I think e3 was a prelude to something bigger from what matt cassamasina talks about

they also talk about how the new add-on will be packaged with new remotes down the line.

[jtucker78]

Is that 1080 in 480p?

;-)

[N4g_null]

Nice tip Product I never go there any more thanks for the tip! Are the servers back up for the motion+ thing? Also if the motion+ is such a rip off then why did it down a large server due to traffic hell wired's whole site!

[specialguest]

Nintendo's answer to hardcore gaming is Animal Crossing?!? What a joke.

[ApocalypseShadow]

any hardcore gamer thinking nintendo truely cares about your money when they are succeding without you are fooling themselves.

they will give you "scraps" to make you think they care when it suites them to keep you and spread the word about wii,but you are no longer their target audience.i will say again....

"you are no longer their target audience."

but i think the poor presentation could be a way of stopping microsoft from copying more ideas.think about it.now that nintendo is leading,microsoft went out of their way to show that they want nintendo's audience.just like they previously (or still) want(ed) sony's audience.

show microsoft no ideas,keep leading by releasing your product when it's almost done.then microsoft won't have a chance to create software to copy it.giving nintendo always a lead time of maybe 6 months to a year head start.but it would be a smart move by showing...

"absolutely nothing."

wonder which one it is?

apocalypse........

[HeavyMetalGear]

Look, this isn't news. This is opinion. I could argue that Nintendo pretty much announced Wii 2.0 via the Motion Controls Plus and that this is a new revolution for the Wii and how gaming will be played.

[Jamaicangmr]

Yeah i said fu(k you Nintendo when they revealed the Wii a few years ago. I'd maybe buy a Wii someday for these mini games but not anytime soon. Maybe when it drops to like a US$100.

[brawlmaniac]

I still got love for Nintendo. And I seriously doubt that they have given up on the hardcore gamer. In 3 years, if there is no new Mario/ Zelda game, then they have given up. I'm pretty sure that they realize that some of their best franchises are aimed at the hardcore audience. I find it very discouraging to see people posting things like "Nintendo doesn't care about the hardcore gamer anymore" or "Nintendo is dead...". All of these statements are completely ridiculous! These statements are just examples of people overreacting or they are from people who never cared for Nintendo anyway. Just my opinion

[ape007]

biggest f-you ever this e3

[tojfs7931]

They didn't show any games which they are working on in abundance. Reggie even said as much. Just wait until their next big show.

[Ngai]

I said "F-you Nintendo" after the GameCube.

[Lord_Ash]

Yes they did, I just hope Sony, MS and the big guns in the industry don’t follow them, Microsoft is already on their way there which is bad I mean do they think that they could’ve sold 8M Halo 3 games and 5M Gears by going casual, please spare me this crap…

What’s really sad is that Capcom, Konami and other great publishers are shifting their focus on the Wii even though what they released so far sold like garbage (except for RE4) I hope they refocus on Xbox and PS3 sooner rather than later or this industry is going to hell.

[BoneMagnus]

Most Wii owners I know only have the console with the included games and that's it.

If my 3 year old wants a Wii when he's six or seven, I might consider getting one then, but for now, a 360 and a PS3 under my 1080P TV = Gaming Nirvana.

[KingJFS]

You know that Attach Rate is only important for the console manufacturers to brag about right?

Developers and publishers care about how many total copies are sold, and in that statistic, Nintendo blows the PS3 away.

[lewis]

ROCKS SO F*** YOU.

[AlphaTrion187]

the worst comment ever no it does not

[Tyrael]

Lol they may as well have announced Nintendogs for the Wii, because nothing they did at E3 caught anyones attention.

[CAPT IRISH]

Nintendo has forgotten who they are and were they came from in their casual crap

[ChickeyCantor]

Reading it again i realize how much the guy is overreacting, Because they did not say much does not mean we cant expect more?

And seriously what about the third party titles that are coming allong? suddenly no good?

I bet at the next best Game conference/Expo they will show more games.
This conference was pure Casual focussed simply because its to only way to spread this news else the audience will never get it.

If their next showcase is lame, then i'm in for a worry.
Untill then Chill the F down.

[PSWe60]

who DIDN'T see this coming?

[kesvalk]

i heard that they will have another press conference in E3 this year...

it's not the main one, but they can still show something there...
although i don't think they will show anything big anyway...

sigh, anyway, animal crossing will be good, i think...

[name]

I really thought animal crossing looked good though.

[Allowen]

....and the problem does not stop there.Most wii games lacks on challenging and replay value so much that it seems as an insult to the intelligence and motor coordination of casual gamers and kids.

I got a Wii and I got to say it is not just the worst Nintendo console they ever made and I consider it also the worst video game console ever made.Even Nes games were more fun to play and very well done wnen compared to games on this Wii.

People buying wii games are waisting their cash on someting the will eventualy play once a month with friends.

[cseru1]

Nintendo is having another conference today.

http://news.vgchartz.com/ne...

[forum_crawler]

To see all the people who have been hating on Nintendo for so long reacting this way.

Nintendo knows what they are doing, and they don't need E3 to continue doing their thing. So far, their thing has proven to be successful, and my guess is that they will continue being successful. But as it is the case with many things, not everyone will agree with what they do.

One thing is for sure, more people out there agree with what Nintendo is doing that with what Sony or Microsoft are doing. If you don't agree with Nintendo then, do the only thing you can do about it: Not buy their systems.

You see, I don't care about wii-music or animal crossing. I really couldn't care less for those two titles, or the next wii-sports (whatever they call it), but that is because I know there will be another Mario, another Zelda, Fatal Frame, Conduit, Monster Hunter, etc... You see what I mean? People who are interested in these hardcore games already know about them, so why not take the opportunity to talk about those games that appeal to the masses on a show that is really all about publicity?

People who care about wii-music will most likely not care about Fatal Frame, Conduit, etc... those people are the ones they are trying to reach with this year's E3. The people who don't read gaming news....

So did Nintendo flunk this E3? I guess we will see when they sell tons of Animal Crossings, and Wii-Musics...

[Percy]

I think hard core gamers said f-you to nintendo long before nintendo said f-you to them. Nintendo has always made games mostly for kids and i think that appeals to adults now days with the crack down on videogame violence. Most all the good games on the 360 and ps3 are rated mature children and young adults should not be playing mature games and that doesnt leave a lot of games to justify the price point of the true next gen consoles. The gamecube was never really a hard core gamer console except maybe the super smash brother players so i dont know why anybody expected that to change.

[bigjclassic]

support:

MadWorld
Monster Hunter 3
The Conduit
Star Wars Clone Wars
Dead Rising

and the other hardcore themed games sheesh..

[bigjclassic]

WiiMotionPlus and a new Zelda.
Zelda 1:1???

*comes*

[The Goulet]

Man I haven't used my Wii barely at all the whole time i've had it! It's just a paperweight for most hardcore gamers!

Goulet

[lizard81288]

for later

[DFresh]

Since when do you buy a Wii for hardcore gaming anyways.
People use the Wii for innovative game play and soon PS3 for real hardcore gaming with a touch of casual as well.
In the future people will use Wii for casual gaming and PS3 for hardcore gaming.
That's still my prediction.

[Figboy]

Nintendo consoles since 1985, and while i felt they were diverging from my particular taste in games with the Gamecube, there was still something there that i enjoyed (Eternal Darkness, Zelda, Super Smash Bros).

but i think it's undeniable that with the Wii, Nintendo has truly abandoned me.

as an adult, i sort of got tired of the plotless Mario games, so only Zelda and Metroid held my interest. outside of those Nintendo franchises, there wasn't much on the Wii to pique my interest, first or third party. i was hoping that at this E3, they would announce something to rekindle that spark i haven't felt since the SNES. or that third parties would step up their game and show off some creative games.

hell, i was even hoping for Nintendo to announce the "Wii HD" (which would be, for the most part, the same old Wii, but with the capability to support a 720p set maximum).

they did not.

their press conference didn't get so much as a "nice" from me while i followed it.

i won't say it bored me to sleep, but it was the same old song and dance about how they are making buttloads of money from my parents and grandparents, while ignoring me and those like me. those almost 30-somethings who have been gaming on their consoles since the BEGINNING. who BECAME gamers BECAUSE OF Nintendo. i owe my gaming to them, and this is how they repay me.

i don't mind them going after the casual market, but not at the expense of those that put them where they're at in the first place.

do they think that if it wasn't for the legions of diehard Nintendo fans buying Wii's on day one, taking them home, then spreading the "Nintendo Gospel" to their Mom's, Dad's, Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles, and various other non-gamers that the Wii would be where it is? Nintendo fans, with their often frightening enthusiasm for everything Nintendo put the Wii on the lips of non-gamers everywhere. it wasnt' just Nintendo's savvy PR alone. and this is how they repay them.

awesome.

thanks Nintendo.

lick my balls.

[forum_crawler]

You must be saying this as a gamer who has bought every Nintendo console, who bought the game cube, and all the games for it even though most people were buying Sony right?

Nintendo is doing their thing, and if you don't like it, then don't buy into it. I don't understand why people feel Nintendo 'owes' them anything. They owe you nothing. If you are not happy with Nintendo games then buy another console, or do what I do, get a nice PC with some ass kicking hardware and run games with all the eye candy.

Gears, UT3 and Crysis look awesome with lots of eye candy.

I think Nintendo understands the fact that most people will own more than one gaming device. In my case it is both a wii and a PC. So I really don't need to have the same game in both platforms. FPS games fell better on a PC (to me) than they do on consoles, though the wii-mote makes that difference less noticeable. On the other hand, games like Guitar Hero, Zelda, Resident Evil feel better on the wii than they do on a PC (to me).

Nintendo won't stop doing their thing, and their thing has, and will always be Mario, Zelda and Metroid, and I for one am happy to know that that will always be there for me and new gamers, while at the same time all the 'other stuff' is available on the PC for my enjoyment.