ok if by "likely in 2012" you mean being released in the market then of course not. They haven't been announced yet and I think E3 2012 will be that day or TGS for PS4. However, I still think we are far from the next generation consoles release. Maybe we'll get them 2 years from now(late 2013) but not before. Sony would at least want the PS3 to have its console reached 7 years of its lifespan until it releases the PS4.
You ignore the possibility that Halo 4 could be a launch title for the next generation Xbox.
First, they said it would be the beginning of a new trilogy in the Halo series. It might make sense for them to have that entire trilogy on the next generation rather than splitting it.
Also consider that Halo 4 started development at 343 Industries even before Halo: Reach was released. I do realize that MS and 343 have clarified that Halo 4 will be for Xbox 360, but you have to realize that IF it is coming out for the next Xbox, they would still have to say that it is an Xbox 360 title because they aren't going to announce a new system before their big announcement.
Also, we know Halo 4 is coming 2012 and we haven't seen any screenshots or game footage. The only thing they have shown is pre-rendered footage.
I guess we will have to wait until CES and/or E3 to see what happens.
i think microsoft is going to be in a hurry to get a new system out to steal thunder away from the wiiU. unfortunately, i still don't think there's much chance of seeing it before 2013.
as for sony. i don't think they're in any rush...especially since the company doesn't even expect to be profitable again til 2013...and that was when tv sales were trending a lot higher than they are today. sony might simply not be able to afford to jump into a new generation for quite some time.
I would buy HALO on any platform anytime but MS has smarter marketing than that.
Second are the comments of Mark Rein and Tim Sweeney both of whom have stated that we would not see Unreal 4 until 2014. What does "see" in this case mean? Does it mean see a demo or does it mean see as in consumers get their hands on an Unreal 4 game.
Best case scenario means we see an Unreal 4 demo at GDC in 2013 and then get our hands on a game in 2014. Otherwise we would see it in 2014 and then not get an Unreal 4 game until 2015.
If you understand those comments with other remarks by Mark Rein and the Epic Staff stating Unreal 4 will be used in launch titles for next gen then you see that best case scenario Epic, maker of the most prolific game engine this generation, is saying the next generation of consoles launches in 2014.
And by consoles I mean the PS4 as well since Epic is planning on Unreal 4 to be more multiplatform friendly.
I predict a 2013 reveal for the next wave of systems from MS and SONY with actual systems releasing NO LATER than spring 2014. I think multiplatform game developers will like anyone else that still has a job do more with these aging systems and save money on developing new tech for the time being.
We'll see optimized engines squeezing everything they can out of the 360 and PS3 while tinkering with the WiiU. Platform exclusives will continue for the 360 and PS3 albeit at a slower rate after 2012 while those 1st party developers dig deep into the new tech and engines.
Right now there is no benefit and only risk to whomever launches a new system before 2013. WiiU will be the guinea pig for this interim period between the release of the next MS and SONY consoles.
why would companies rush to release a new console when the current ones are making plenty o cash.
and ted dude its a 360 game. they not gonna lie to the community like that. an frank o isnt gonna lie to the community. if it was gonna go next gen they woulda stayed mum about the whole thing.
Despite what most comments seem to think, I really expect a new Xbox in November 2012.
I think it will be shown extensivly at E3 2012 and then brought to market quickly to gain the upper hand on Sony once again.
A suprise 2012 release could also hurt Nintendo as I cant see them having the same success this time around with the Wii U.
I expect a New Kinect and a Xbox style controller that splits into 2 parts to be used with Kinect.
I also expect the new Xbox to be suprisingy more powerful than everyone expects and alot cheaper too.
I expect £249. While the 360 will continue but for only £99.
Microsoft can afford to be really agressive and they know that its a good time to be as Sony and Nintendos financial positions are looking so bleak.
What Rettom said. It's AC:R is the last we'll see of Ezio. It's also an epilogue to the first Assassin's Creed, with a few Altair missions thrown in there.
Don't hold your breath for Assassin's Creed 3 this generation.
Ubisoft has completely stagnated the AC franchise with the release of Revelations. They made a great game with AC2 and have just repackaged it twice now with some more story. Ubisoft is going to have to take some significant time working on AC3 if they want to take the franchise to the next level.
But according to the story arch, it has to finish by the end of 2012. Having a story line that climax in 2012 release in 2013/14 just doesn't make sense. Release ac3, finish this 2012/Desmond story and then take a much needed break for a few years before starting a new story arch.
new consoles will be announced officially in 2013 with a 2015 release date. thats what im predicting and possibly more realistic. You need time to tell consumers and developers what to expect and also developer kits have to be sent out at least a year before.
MS would never announce a console two years before releasing a system. In the case of the Xbox and Xbox 360, the consoles released in the same year as they were announced.
Yes but those are the same people who think that gaming on the Iphone is the same as a dedicated gaming platform, so that is quite irrelevant to the gaming market.
2013-2014 The start of the New Gen. Who cares we all die 2012, (Rock Box, Playstation Leaf, and Wii Died.) *Realistically expect it in the next 3 years.
i hope microsoft releases, all these rumours are the only thing holding me back this xmas from jumping on board the xbox brand. would love to see a new machine on the market for next year.
i learnt my lesson with the ps3(on 4th console) and 360(bought the elite after a few batches and it hasn't broken down yet) wait until kinks are worked out and a lower price point is set
I dont think it will have a 2012 release, more like 2013. The wi u needs to come out due to the lack of hd in the wi but the ps3 and xbox are still strong enough to survive atleast another 2 years
I could've sworn i read an article that stated that the new xbox would be able to play Xbox360 games and automatically upscale the graphics. I know I read this a while back, but cannot remember where, if anyone has read this please let me know. anyway I would like a new xbox and Killer Instincts at launch!!
If you listen to KOXM's podcast from last week and this week, they reference to an interview with some guy, don't remember his name sorry, that works for Microsoft. This guy alluded to the next console having "forward compatibility."
This would be one of the smartest moves MS could do for a console launch for the first year or two. Games will come out and can run on the 360, but when you are ready to jump to the new console, those same games you bought will play/run/look better on your new console.
This will keep dev costs down because devs will only need to develop one game, instead of two versions. This also gives more time for devs to create games in the mean time to take advantage of the hardware.
Ok, Ok.. That's an awesome idea and it makes sense into why they might want to put this out by next holiday season. The new update is gonna be awesome with the new roaming profiles. Next gen can't get here fast enough if you ask me. Tho i think PS3 can wait a few more years. The exclusives alone can carry it til Sony is ready to launch PS4.. Cant WAIT!! Thanks for info!
A decent article, with good points. I'll correct one guess, in the article, with facts:
New engine titles (the kind that would ship on a new piece of hardware) generally take 3-5 years to develop, and often start on PCs. Sequels on the same engine (#s "2" and "3", as the console gen progresses) generally only take about 2 years to put together (as the article states).
This fact is one of the major reasons #2 and #3 of successful game series', especially exclusives, are often so much better than the first -- the initial game is often a PORT from a PC engine, and the second game is honed to work best on the target hardware (devkits are available the whole time).
Any titles aimed at next gen consoles will take *at least* 3 years to develop -- although it's very likely that development will start on PC long before final devkit hardware arrives. Typically, FINAL hardware is not available until about 1 year before the game is meant to ship. Prototype hardware *may* be available earlier, but... not typically unless your game is REALLY important to the console. Even the kits available 1 year ahead of release are in a state of flux, often being upgraded (via OS) on the fly, and usually needing a physical replacement about 6 months before release.
Nintendo hardware causes some exceptions to my rules above, since it is largely "familiar" and not overly advanced. Recent Nintendo hardware has had a slightly longer ramp-up time, since it is fundamentally old tech from the start. Wii U prototypes will have been in dev hands for about 1.5 years, rather than the typical 1, by the time the Wii U ships, most likely. You can bet that hotter hardware will have only been in dev hands for about a year, tops, however.
Wonder if they time windows 8 with the next Xbox. I only have PC and PS3. I feel like I am too late to get the xbox now. Looking forward to the next version.
While I don't think they are 2012 releases I have to say the points raised in this article are not terribly well thought out with the exception of the good sales point. If you don't think Sony and MS are both looking to launch first if they can you are nuts. If you think both are not worried about Wii U ...again... Nuts. The economy issue is cack... During down turns in economics you often see higher spend in home entertainment like games, etc... Not too mention we are seeing growth again in software numbers. I just don't buy anything this article is spinning outside of both are enjoying good sales and want to extend that.
developers are now doing great and really used to these consoles and really great games and more great ones are coming. I wont care if microsoft decide to keep there 10 year life span for the xbox. Plus motion control is something both companies began and keep wanting to promote and keep going for some time.
I would expect the new consoles to come out 2013 at the earliest.
I think I am the only person that wants the Ps3 and 360 too go on for another 3-4 years. I have always felt systems get replaced when they could be hitting their stride. When costs for making the games are down, the devs know what they are doing and know how to make everything work.
Give me the next gen when every game on Ps3 for a year looks as good as Killzone and Uncharted, and every 360 games looks as good as Gears 3. Then I want a new gen.
I kind of agree with you, there is nothing wrong with the games we have now, and the reason i want a new console is completely non-game related.
Basically i want a new console so that we can get more RAM for the OS. That is it.
More RAM for the OS means- Better functioning PS Home Custom music in all games Better Web Browser and being able to multi-task, eg play music while copying files. etc
So because of that i am hoping we get new consoles either end of next year or early 2013.
Well by the rationale of your reasoning, it makes sense for the next gen to come out soon... so that the price for it is coming down and the games are getting made as you are still enjoying the prime of this gen rather than buying the next one right away!
lol it's a win/win situation as you get to enjoy this gen while the next one is up and running and getting better for the time you decide to jump into it!
Personally I'd guess we will get announcements next year, with a release the following year.... seems to make the most sense. That said I wouldn't be too surprised if one of the consoles came out late next year as a pre-emptive move to get the jump on the other one.... as with the last 2 gens, the first one out the gate has been the winner!
I don't understand why this "New Consoles in 2012" idea is being encouraged or even popular. Firstly look at all the great games we currently have on the market? So many 8's and 9's being released.. just take this year as a prime example. Even remove the exclusives on each console and we'd still have a great year of games.
When a new console is launched the first year is usually a time of learning and adaptation from the developers. In other words we never get the best experience or what the new consoles can offer.
Its not all about processing power. But the overall gameplay experience and story. This gen has reached a stage where we're getting all this consistently. No point of changing it "because it's time".
I can understand that Nintendo wants to make the jump.
But for Micrsoft and Sony I see a 2013/14 launch. the later date being Sony's.
You'll never see the Xbox 720, because it won't be called that. -_-"
The next Xbox I believe will be out either christmas 2012 or spring (March-ish) 2013, and I predict a worldwide spring 2013 release for the PS4. An E3 2012 reveal is likely I believe.
It will come w/e it comes, people worry too much about when they will come out etc >_>.... it's w/e, I honestly don't care when they come, I'm too busy enjoying this gen to be worried about the next.
I never thought the PS4 would be out next year anyway, Sony is sinking a ton of money into the Vita and still has a ton of first party games coming out next year. It seems more likely that we will see a Xbox 720 next year though, Microsoft has obviously scaled back production on first party games and we've heard too many rumors of games being in production for the next Xbox for their not to be fire.
if by "likely in 2012" you mean being released in the market then of course not. They haven't been announced yet and I think E3 2012 will be that day or TGS for PS4. However, I still think we are far from the next generation consoles release. Maybe we'll get them 2 years from now(late 2013) but not before. Sony would at least want the PS3 to have its console reached 7 years of its lifespan until it releases the PS4.
with you about the ps4 but I believe we could get the next xbox by next christmas.
You ignore the possibility that Halo 4 could be a launch title for the next generation Xbox.
First, they said it would be the beginning of a new trilogy in the Halo series. It might make sense for them to have that entire trilogy on the next generation rather than splitting it.
Also consider that Halo 4 started development at 343 Industries even before Halo: Reach was released. I do realize that MS and 343 have clarified that Halo 4 will be for Xbox 360, but you have to realize that IF it is coming out for the next Xbox, they would still have to say that it is an Xbox 360 title because they aren't going to announce a new system before their big announcement.
Also, we know Halo 4 is coming 2012 and we haven't seen any screenshots or game footage. The only thing they have shown is pre-rendered footage.
I guess we will have to wait until CES and/or E3 to see what happens.
as for sony. i don't think they're in any rush...especially since the company doesn't even expect to be profitable again til 2013...and that was when tv sales were trending a lot higher than they are today. sony might simply not be able to afford to jump into a new generation for quite some time.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/...
First, HALO 4 is releasing in 2012. Microsoft isn't about announce their new Xbox...and then launch their flagship title a few months later.
@NamelessTed, remember, it's a 360 title.
http://www.pcmag.com/articl...
Here is Frankie O'Connor posting at Neogaf:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
I would buy HALO on any platform anytime but MS has smarter marketing than that.
Second are the comments of Mark Rein and Tim Sweeney both of whom have stated that we would not see Unreal 4 until 2014. What does "see" in this case mean? Does it mean see a demo or does it mean see as in consumers get their hands on an Unreal 4 game.
Best case scenario means we see an Unreal 4 demo at GDC in 2013 and then get our hands on a game in 2014. Otherwise we would see it in 2014 and then not get an Unreal 4 game until 2015.
If you understand those comments with other remarks by Mark Rein and the Epic Staff stating Unreal 4 will be used in launch titles for next gen then you see that best case scenario Epic, maker of the most prolific game engine this generation, is saying the next generation of consoles launches in 2014.
And by consoles I mean the PS4 as well since Epic is planning on Unreal 4 to be more multiplatform friendly.
We'll see optimized engines squeezing everything they can out of the 360 and PS3 while tinkering with the WiiU. Platform exclusives will continue for the 360 and PS3 albeit at a slower rate after 2012 while those 1st party developers dig deep into the new tech and engines.
Right now there is no benefit and only risk to whomever launches a new system before 2013. WiiU will be the guinea pig for this interim period between the release of the next MS and SONY consoles.
and ted dude its a 360 game. they not gonna lie to the community like that. an frank o isnt gonna lie to the community. if it was gonna go next gen they woulda stayed mum about the whole thing.
Heck, they could release both versions on the same disc... just flip it over! :D
Both Playstation 1 & 2 were out for 6 years before another released.
There is a really good chance the PS3 will do exactly the same.
that's 5 years for me.
PS2 to PS3 was 6 years,
it's been 5 now. I think we'll see the next gen in 2013.
I think it will be shown extensivly at E3 2012 and then brought to market quickly to gain the upper hand on Sony once again.
A suprise 2012 release could also hurt Nintendo as I cant see them having the same success this time around with the Wii U.
I expect a New Kinect and a Xbox style controller that splits into 2 parts to be used with Kinect.
I also expect the new Xbox to be suprisingy more powerful than everyone expects and alot cheaper too.
I expect £249. While the 360 will continue but for only £99.
Microsoft can afford to be really agressive and they know that its a good time to be as Sony and Nintendos financial positions are looking so bleak.
but from what i know is a story arc of a specific person ends there
at least thats what i think anyways based on the blackout ending in brotherhood
No. AC Rev, just answers questions about Ezio/Desmond/Altair and how they're all linked. But AC3, will end it. Answering the biggest question...
Don't wanna potentially spoil anything else.
I suspect AC3 will be all Desmond.
Ubisoft has completely stagnated the AC franchise with the release of Revelations. They made a great game with AC2 and have just repackaged it twice now with some more story. Ubisoft is going to have to take some significant time working on AC3 if they want to take the franchise to the next level.
Xbox 10 and Wii-U both before Christmas next year. Just in time for the Holidays.
no. just no.
if 80% of the world is bitcin about a $300 console,can you imagine 400 or 500.forget it!
Besides, a game costs far less than a console.
Console: $3-400
COD: $60-70
Who cares we all die 2012, (Rock Box, Playstation Leaf, and Wii Died.)
*Realistically expect it in the next 3 years.
This would be one of the smartest moves MS could do for a console launch for the first year or two. Games will come out and can run on the 360, but when you are ready to jump to the new console, those same games you bought will play/run/look better on your new console.
This will keep dev costs down because devs will only need to develop one game, instead of two versions. This also gives more time for devs to create games in the mean time to take advantage of the hardware.
New engine titles (the kind that would ship on a new piece of hardware) generally take 3-5 years to develop, and often start on PCs. Sequels on the same engine (#s "2" and "3", as the console gen progresses) generally only take about 2 years to put together (as the article states).
This fact is one of the major reasons #2 and #3 of successful game series', especially exclusives, are often so much better than the first -- the initial game is often a PORT from a PC engine, and the second game is honed to work best on the target hardware (devkits are available the whole time).
Any titles aimed at next gen consoles will take *at least* 3 years to develop -- although it's very likely that development will start on PC long before final devkit hardware arrives. Typically, FINAL hardware is not available until about 1 year before the game is meant to ship. Prototype hardware *may* be available earlier, but... not typically unless your game is REALLY important to the console. Even the kits available 1 year ahead of release are in a state of flux, often being upgraded (via OS) on the fly, and usually needing a physical replacement about 6 months before release.
Nintendo hardware causes some exceptions to my rules above, since it is largely "familiar" and not overly advanced. Recent Nintendo hardware has had a slightly longer ramp-up time, since it is fundamentally old tech from the start. Wii U prototypes will have been in dev hands for about 1.5 years, rather than the typical 1, by the time the Wii U ships, most likely. You can bet that hotter hardware will have only been in dev hands for about a year, tops, however.
I think I am the only person that wants the Ps3 and 360 too go on for another 3-4 years. I have always felt systems get replaced when they could be hitting their stride. When costs for making the games are down, the devs know what they are doing and know how to make everything work.
Give me the next gen when every game on Ps3 for a year looks as good as Killzone and Uncharted, and every 360 games looks as good as Gears 3. Then I want a new gen.
Basically i want a new console so that we can get more RAM for the OS. That is it.
More RAM for the OS means-
Better functioning PS Home
Custom music in all games
Better Web Browser
and being able to multi-task, eg play music while copying files. etc
So because of that i am hoping we get new consoles either end of next year or early 2013.
Nothing wrong with the games themselves though
lol it's a win/win situation as you get to enjoy this gen while the next one is up and running and getting better for the time you decide to jump into it!
Personally I'd guess we will get announcements next year, with a release the following year.... seems to make the most sense.
That said I wouldn't be too surprised if one of the consoles came out late next year as a pre-emptive move to get the jump on the other one.... as with the last 2 gens, the first one out the gate has been the winner!
Too hard to call though, too many variables!
When a new console is launched the first year is usually a time of learning and adaptation from the developers. In other words we never get the best experience or what the new consoles can offer.
Its not all about processing power. But the overall gameplay experience and story. This gen has reached a stage where we're getting all this consistently. No point of changing it "because it's time".
I can understand that Nintendo wants to make the jump.
But for Micrsoft and Sony I see a 2013/14 launch. the later date being Sony's.
The next Xbox I believe will be out either christmas 2012 or spring (March-ish) 2013, and I predict a worldwide spring 2013 release for the PS4. An E3 2012 reveal is likely I believe.
1. The Wii U won't have any competition and get a big user base-> less market share for MS and Sony.
2. The hardware in both 360 and ps3 is outdated, an average ps3/360 game released nowadays is sub HD and runs @ 30fps with framerate drops.