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aviator189  +   1167d ago
This game is going to be insane. I've got the same amount of anticipation for this as much as I have for half-life ep 3.
REDHULKSMASH  +   1167d ago
An excuse to make shitty console versions? They got 120 gig blurays now, but even so...50 gigs not enough?.....come on. Uncharted 2 was 23 gigs and that was a masterpiece
Ducky  +   1167d ago | Well said
... except size has nothing to do with how good or bad a game is.

It's like saying that a 1000-page novel is better than a 500-page one.
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Perjoss  +   1167d ago
lol at the disagree of FatOldMan's comment!

There are many DS games with 10/10 score and they have TINY file sizes, I think they cap out at 256mb and go all the way down to 8mb :)
turgore  +   1167d ago
Remember, the ID tech 5 engine takes A LOT of space. Just look at Rage.
blitz0623  +   1167d ago
So use 2 blu-rays... and 10+ DVDs?
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Solid_Snake-  +   1167d ago
yeh and uncharted 2 was linear with fake back grounds. could be done on the xbox on 1 disk. the blu ray wastes resources and makes the games look bigger than they actually need to be.

as for carmack...yes you are one of the greatest devs out there...but god are you ever happy with anything. every other dev company is managing amazing games this gen so just get on with it.

just because your games take a whole gen to make it doesnt mean we should have to worry why your late to the game.
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MidnytRain  +   1167d ago
@Solid_Snake-

Nothing you said made any sense...

I mean, if you have mountains hundreds of miles away in the background, why would they actually render that. THAT would be a waste.
Mc Fadge  +   1167d ago
@FatOldMan and Perjoss

I believe REDHULKSMASH is referring to console versions getting lower resolution textures and models which would take up less space.

To take FatOldMan's analogy and improve on it - It's like having a 1000 page novel and having an abridged version at 250 pages. Sure the story's the same, but there's detail missing.
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BubbleSniper  +   1167d ago
fail Hulk. Id has been working on new ways to develop games since Rages inception(before that even), breaking free of the norm. Doom 4 will showcase something so awesome that i can only refer you to Google to look up what Doom 4 is about.

I am expecting something major. and if Id is saying that Bluray is not enough then Kojimas words just got echoed from someone else's mouth
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badz149  +   1167d ago
I don't know why
but everytime I read a comment from Carmack, he sounds more and more like Peter Molyneux!
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Disccordia  +   1167d ago
Sounds like it'll be a next gen game for sure
Arnon  +   1167d ago
@blitz0623
More like...

"I'll release it on PC, and wait another gen for the consoles to catch up."
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zag  +   1167d ago
It's only the textures being super size so you'd be talking about 3000x3000 size textures.

Only the PC GFX cards can handle those textures, and even then you need the 3+gig ones to make any use of them as each one will be 500meg to 1-2gig in size.

people with the PC version will upgrade the texture in mod packs but I don't know if it's worth it really.

IF the game is going to be 20+ discs and you have 5 blu-rays who is going to bother with downloading 100+ gig game just to grab a few extra textures that only people with the very top of the line PC GFX cards can use.
pixelsword  +   1167d ago
"Solid_Snake- + 6h ago
yeh and uncharted 2 was linear with fake back grounds. could be done on the xbox on 1 disk."

...Yet, it seems that Uncharted 1 can't be done on the 360...?

At any rate, Carmack has already gained my respect for being honest about rage losing one faction because of the 360, so I am not doubting that he telling the truth in terms of a PC-equivocal-looking Doom on the PS3 (as Carmack said people said Rage looked like a high-end PC game, so I'm assuming that Doom will be an improvement graphically).

Yet, let us see how many discs it will be on the 360, seeing that one standard BD is equal to five DVDs. If Carmack is as rock-steady honest as he was for Doom, 360's Doom won't be on two DVDs.
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Sugreev2001  +   1167d ago
@ FatOldMan

I absolutely agree.On Topic,I'm really not enjoying these John Carmack interviews.His boasts are getting rather annoying day by day.I prefer console gaming to PC gaming,though I used to game on PC a lot as a kid in the 90's,and many of my all time favorite games on it were usually made by Id software.In fact,as a developer,his comments should solely be on the game he's making and what he's bringing to the table...but without knocking down on other companies,especially since his product is not even on the market yet.He might be a legend,but we are not forced to like him.
Exoil  +   1167d ago
@badz149: Remember though that up to to this day, Carmack has always delivered.based upon his hype for his games.

That's a hell of a lot more than you can say about Moleneux!
flankhim  +   1167d ago
SO WHAT JUST USE A BIG HARD DRIVE!
jeseth  +   1166d ago
LMAO... Yeah Right.

Then how many discs will the Xbox 360 version be? 8 Discs?

SOunds like developer inadequecies to me.
seinfan  +   1166d ago
It's probably uncompressed audio. But this supposed size does pose a problem for PS3 games because the PS3 can only read up to a dual layer disc.
DeadlyFire  +   1166d ago
Well its more than likely they are just hinting at disc formats they believe Sony and Microsoft will be picking up for next generation of consoles. Like 120 GB Blu-Ray and HVD discs for Xbox 360? Maybe 3D Disks. Their aim is likely to push for 100+ GB disc format towards Sony and Microsoft.
a08andan  +   1166d ago
@FatOldMan

Well if it is too big, it hurts!
paintsville  +   1166d ago
Well ps3 has to get extra content to make up for the ps3's pitiful performance. Dropped frames, torn frames, dumbed down effects, etc. I mean Carmack already said that PS3 was SECOND best console and 360 was the BEST console (FACT). Oh it's a good day to be a 360 gamer.
http://www.ripten.com/2011/...
Achtung  +   1166d ago
not even remotely true
SilentNegotiator  +   1167d ago
DOOM 4 must have a LOT of hallways.

@Below
When you suggest that, all I can imagine is a bunch of id tech employees discussing their next game; Someone then suggests a more opened up Doom 4 with less corridors, everyone looks at each other seriously, and then all of them simultaneously burst out into laughter like on a TV show.
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Chnswdchldrn  +   1167d ago
for all we know they may be making the game truer to the older Doom games, with far more open environments full of a bounch of demons, which would indeed take up more space than a corridor shooter like doom 3
STONEY4  +   1167d ago
Last I heard in an interview (with the writer I think) about a year or two ago, it was taking place on Earth, and you would go through cities and such. I'm guessing more open environments would also go along, since it's not like Doom 3 where the whole game is spent in a research facility.
SilentNegotiator  +   1167d ago
Don't worry, STONEY4, they'll make sure that the buildings and rubble make convenient paths.
aGameDeveloper  +   1167d ago
Bubbles for the laugh, at least!
scotchmouth  +   1167d ago
Needs more hallways
PickAShoe  +   1166d ago
thats a good idea.. MORE HALLWAYS! xD
BlindGuardian  +   1167d ago
blu rays can have multiple layers, they can do 5 layers now, that's 125 gbs
xCaptainAmazing  +   1167d ago
Ya but more layers means more problems. It's bad enough the PS3's drive can only pull in data at 2x read speed. 5 layers deep you would be seeing awful read speeds and major performance issues.

A newer blu-ray drive would likely be able to compensate with higher read speeds, but they can't exactly just put a new one in. Would have to wait for next gen.
Rhythmattic  +   1167d ago
xCaptainAmazing.

PS3 standard drive is no slouch..

So I don't have to type it, heres a link..

http://au.gamespot.com/page...
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cgoodno  +   1166d ago
@xCaptainAmazing: PS3 BD is at a constant 8x read speed, which on average is faster than DVD9, which has a variable rate.

Multiple layers would allow for up to 22GB of data to be stored on a second layer that could be installed on the HDD or just be comprised of audio data, which is what takes up most space on discs right now.
fr0sty  +   1167d ago
Actually, there are 8 layer 200GB blu-ray discs available, though they currently cost too much for mass production. they do conform to blu-ray spec though, so ps3 should be able to read them with a fw upgrade. this is what i think ps4 will use as it's primary optical format.
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_Aarix_  +   1166d ago
@frankrobs3

Apparently both consoles can't do crap. Their both heavily limited in completely different ways.
Bull5hifT  +   1167d ago
Wow bigger than 300 gigs, ive read theyve been able to do that for years and they could double side the disk for 600 Gigs , then i read Holo Disk did 500 Gigs , then i read about 1 being able to do 2 Terabytes..... Thats a big Headache of course as time passes tech will get more smaller and doo much more, im Excited to see the Ever Lasting Battery Technology Using Micro Fibers that always Make a Charge... A PS:Vita with a Ten Year Battery Life
MEsoJD  +   1167d ago
Just Carmack mentioning Doom 4 gives me a huge boner.
aGameDeveloper  +   1167d ago
Did it last for more than four hours?
scotchmouth  +   1167d ago
If so please consult your doctor. Remember to tell him that Doom 4 has caused an erection lasting more then 4 hours as this may be a medical emergency.
PRHB HYBRiiD  +   1167d ago
Can you say 6 xbox 360 discs?
showtimefolks  +   1167d ago
ok so a xbox360 is port is thinking insane or what
and they do have 120gb bluray disks now so no excuses.
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DigitalAnalog  +   1166d ago
"Doom 4 Is So Big It May Not Fit On PS3 Bluray Discs"
And yet, I'm pretty sure he would be able to find a way to put this game into 2 360 Dual-Layer discs at 16GB Total.

You've heard it from me first.

-End statment
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andibandit  +   1166d ago
Honestly those programmers are no good, if they cant fit the game onto a Blueray disc
nirwanda  +   1166d ago
At deadlyfire i will be surprised if ms at least use a disk format next gen, i think it will be all downloads and something like a removable hdd for peope that buy games from shops and to keep retailers happ, and a system with alot of ram so there are no streaming issues.
-Alpha  +   1167d ago
There's a Doom 4!?

Also, not surprising. PC gaming is beginning to make that next gen jump. It's always ahead, but as this gen is seemingly winding down the PC is in the forefront of next gen.

Battlefield 3 will usher in next gen PC gaming, everything after (if it's not dumbed down or ported towards a console focus) ought to look more impressive
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LOGICWINS  +   1167d ago
I've noticed that theres a lot of adversity towards PC gaming on this site.
Ducky  +   1167d ago
... ain't as bad as the adversity towards some other forms of gaming.

PC gaming is just a wildcard that the two main factions praise when it's in their favour, and bash when it isn't.

Also, BF3 isn't really doing much to usher PC gaming forward. It just has the marketing behind it, so they can claim to be doing wondrous things, but in reality it is not all that different from the rest.
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Letros  +   1167d ago
More like animosity.
-Alpha  +   1167d ago
"PC gaming is just a wildcard that the two main factions praise when it's in their favour, and bash when it isn't"

You got that right.

BF3 is doing wondrous things: the multiplayer with full destruction, 64 players, and in-depth features with the new engine is something very impressive and consoles are beginning to get stripped just to compensate
Solidus187-SCMilk  +   1167d ago
lol. of course there are alot of people against PC gaming here. Everyone argues about tiny differences between consoles, but dont want to hear about how much better a PC game can look.

Its always been like that but now the difference is beginning to really show and the next gen of consoles is coming and that makes all that arguing pointless.

My PC is old I need a new one soon, Ive been waiting for diablo 3 and its finally here soon. Its best just to play on consoles and PC.
vickers500  +   1167d ago
Because the PC will always be ahead in graphics, no matter what. It's hard to be impressed with what a PC can pull off when it has endless capabilities.

But when you look at what developers can pull off with a console (RAGE, Killzone, Uncharted 2, God of War 3), you can't help but be impressed that they managed to squeeze such amazing graphics out of such weak hardware.

Also, where I'm from, most people don't even consider PC gaming as a viable platform. Honestly I only know about 3 real life people that play games on PC, and 2 of those people only play World of Warcraft. It sucks, but it's just the way things are.
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NeoBasch  +   1167d ago
Um... I'm against PC gaming because it's not exactly fit for an ideal home theater setup, especially if I want to enjoy my gaming on a screen larger than 40" and more space for guests and speakers. Besides, I hate playing off the keyboard. The mouse is fine, but I need a more refined controller built for gaming. I guess I'll just have to miss out on all these big fancy-smansy games. They're too good for me. *rolls eyes*

Carmack needs to get his head out of his ass. Instead of getting more creative, he'd rather cop out. Nice talent. -_-
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fr0sty  +   1167d ago
If PC can just keep from shooting itself in the foot with DRM.... but being an open platform means piracy, which means DRM (have to be online to play, for instance), it's a vicious cycle.
ATi_Elite  +   1167d ago
...and the PC gamer speaks
lots of rogue anti-PC comment here so i'll set the record straight.

To understand PC Gaming it's best to be a PC Gamer. The next Gen of PC Gaming is NOT BF3 but more like FireFall or Planetside2 which are MMO/FPS where 1000's of gamers will fight each other and the environment in real-time over HUGE game worlds.

Graphics in PC Games is a process that's constantly evolving. HL2/Doom3 to BF2 to ArmaII/Crysis to STALKERcop/Metro2033 to BF3 to Arma3 etc. New techniques and processes are always coming out but you do have games like these that just combine a tremendous amount eye candy to show off all the techniques at once.

Sure BF3 is getting all the hype but games like FireFall and Planetside2 are PC Games that will push the platform further ahead to it's "Next Gen" as the transition to the MMO continues and give Devs a taste of what's next for consoles which is the MMO/FPS.

So online all the time DRM is no big deal as more PC Gamers begin to play MMO's more than stand alone games which require a constant online connection anyway. The Next Generation MMO is the next "Big thing" and I got a list of 6 or 7 I'll be playing myself within 6 months.

and I'm positive Next Console Gen MMO's will be the main driving force of consoles.
Big_Dom  +   1167d ago
Having just recently completed the original Crysis, I'd say PC gaming moved to next gen some time ago, because that game looks almost a generation apart from anything I've seen on the consoles. Nothing touches it visually on Xbox or PS3. Anyone who disagrees with this comment is either a spastic, a fanboy, or just hasn't played the game.
andibandit  +   1166d ago
we still havent seen the true potential of the PS3
MrAwesome  +   1167d ago
50+GB, how many discs would that be on DVD?
Judging by the past 3 days of news it seems like Carmack wants a new console badly
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cannon8800  +   1167d ago
like over 9000 or something
d3nworth1  +   1167d ago
Was that a Vegeta joke?
cannon8800  +   1167d ago
@d3nworth1 yes it was :P
PirateThom  +   1167d ago
About 6, but that doesn't account for, say, data that has to be duplicated across all the discs (sound effects, textures and so on).
morganfell  +   1167d ago
More than 6. You cannot do simple division and be accurate. There are textures and audio that must be repeated across multiple discs. Textures require space as does uncompressed audio. Depending upon game design, multiple maps may need to be repeated across several discs as well.
blumatt  +   1167d ago
Yeah, it's funny how some people at the beginning of this generation were saying that bluray wasn't necessary and was just a waste of money for the PS3. And now some devs. are really starting to utilize all that extra space. We're getting free games from a lot of EA games on the same disc (Medal of Honor.)

I hope that Doom 4 is as good as the old ones. It should be since they're saying that it's going to take up so much space.
Istanbull  +   1167d ago
You would need a massive dvd collection to fit Doom 4 on 360.
ASTAROTH  +   1167d ago
How about that?? Carmack wants a new console badly ?? Its FIRST current gen console game hasnt even being released and the guy is already crying. . . Come on how long I waited for a great iD game since DOOM3? But the guy is releasing a game ( wich I think will be amazing) and then start crying about the need of a next gen console?? Imagine if more devs do that because they dont wnt to "waste" resourses on current gen consoles. The gen may last 2 years the most!!... WOW!!

Keep working Carmack and lets the fanboys like Cliffy B do the talk... LOL!!
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ASTAROTH  +   1167d ago
Hey Chocobo... Why so ofensive?? Is he your father or something??

I know he is a developer you dumbass!! I didnt said somthing bad about him. We gamers are the one who bough games no matter wich developer or console... so its not fair that after just his first game on current console, he is already complaining when there are other devs like DICE, Crytec and other 3rd party multiconsole devs squeasing the hardware they have and not thinking so much at what is or not posible.

Jesus you guys are so closed minded its funny!!!
_Aarix_  +   1166d ago
Cliffy b's a lead developer of a popular AAA title with a hot gaming girlfriend and all anyone can want. while your just someone with a computer and the ability to type. Haters gonna hate.
Godchild1020  +   1167d ago
So this will be the first game to take up more than 50 gigabytes? Lets see it happen Carmack.

That means Doom 4 will take up 6 or more disc on the 360? Lets see it happen Carmack.

That means there will be no cut content right Carmack? Let's see it happen Carmack.
Dart89  +   1167d ago
Wait but don't developers have to pay royalties to M$ if they use more than 3 disks or something along those line??
tee_bag242  +   1167d ago
Yes that's true. For every extra disc devs have to pay more royalties. Devs hate it. Microsoft also charge devs for DLC making it very hard for them to make it free for users. Like it or not that's how Microsoft roll.
Peaceful_Jelly  +   1167d ago
No, this mean that the game will be gimped to fit on the Xbox like Square did with FFXIII.
montyburns000  +   1167d ago
lol ps3fangirls still believe in that one hey? don't be so fucking stupid.
yewles1  +   1167d ago
@montyburns000 How is it fanboy talk when SE admitted it themselves?

http://www.gamingunion.net/...
_Aarix_  +   1166d ago
@yewles1 They admited taking content out to add to a sequal. they didn't point fingers at any console.
Why o why  +   1166d ago
'they didn't point fingers at any console'

read between the lines dude. Think about it for one second. Add the fact that ms charges for extra disks then get back at us with a response that doesn't sound like denial
erivera1994  +   1167d ago
Lol if the PS3 version has 2 discs, 360 is probably gonna have like 10 discs
Der_Kommandant  +   1167d ago
Xbox version 20 discs confirmed
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nanometric  +   1166d ago
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Dread  +   1167d ago
I bet that if the playstation version has more than one disc, the sony crowd will suddenly be ok with disc swapping.

regardless, this game will probably be one of the firts games for the next gen consoles. So it might not even come in discs.
MysticStrummer  +   1167d ago
Speaking for myself, not the "Sony crowd", disc swapping has always sucked and always will. Having said that, I'd still play the game. Having said THAT, I think there are big enough blurays to hold this game easily, but I'd guess using those would drive up the costs quite a bit. Then again... I couldn't get into Doom 3, so I'm not sure if I'd care if the game didn't show up this generation anyway. Disc swapping is at the bottom of my list of things that, in my opinion, make the PS3 better.
Pootangpie  +   1167d ago
forget disc swapping
PS3 version will probably have a mandatory install of 10 gigs onto the HDD

and I find funny that the SDF is calling out and pointing fingers at carmack but then again they have been kissing that blockhead Kojami for so long
Hicken  +   1167d ago
I think you mean Kojima.
Mario4life  +   1167d ago
ouch if it takes more than one bluray disc, i couldnt imagine how its gonna be on 360, hopefully they dont cut anything out to fit it on the xbox disc
Mcardle  +   1167d ago
He says nothing of the sort.
Cpt_kitten  +   1167d ago
can't wait hopefully after doom 4 they will do a new quake
NiteX  +   1167d ago
They talked about that. Seems they want the new Quake to be similar to the first one. More gothic and less sci-fi strogg. I've always loved Quake far above Doom.
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Burning_Finger  +   1167d ago
Less talk, more work.
aviator189  +   1167d ago
It's just an interview. If you're building something, you've got more than enough of a right to speak your mind.

I don't see you running a multi-million dollar development studio, creating a top-notch game engine, and creating game worlds fans and consumers would want to see, while simultaneously being able to provide the public with interviews and info for those games.

It's not an easy thing, you know. But I'm guessing, looking at your name, you're just a flamer.
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DrFUD  +   1167d ago
Wish DOOM 4 would have been priority over RAGE.
As much as I watch RAGE videos it still fails to excite me.
I'm so tired of the Road Warrior, Fallout, Borderlands scene and to be honest I never really liked it even in those.
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Raven_Nomad  +   1167d ago
Wonder how long the install times will be for PS3? Hopefully it wouldn't be like MGS4, 5 minute installs for each chapter, I'd rather swap a disk quickly on the 360, that's for sure.

Doom 4 and Rage are clear reasons why digital download wont work anytime soon. Imagine trying to download a 50+ gig game, release dates would be meaningless, start downloading on a Tuesday and be done the following Tuesday!

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@ PirateThom I'd for sure rather take 2 seconds to switch a disk then wait 5 minutes per install level like in MGS4.

Blue Dragon was 3 disks and it was super fast, Mass Effect 2 was 2 disks and again it was super fast. When I want to play a game, I don't want to have to wait 5, 10, 15 or even 30 minutes.

I see the PS3 trolls are out, only fair I put in my two cents worth.

Disk switching is preferable to mandatory installs and level install.
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PirateThom  +   1167d ago
You'd rather have 6+ discs than simply inserting a disc and letting it install to the mandatory hard drive on the system?

Ok...
Cpt_kitten  +   1167d ago
1 second disk swap is a lot faster than a 1 hour install

but i know sony fanboys, the thought of having to get up and do such an easy task is so much work

mind you i do have both ps3 and 360 and play both just as much
PirateThom  +   1167d ago
It's a console, for entertainment, it's not supposed to require effort. Not that swapping a disc takes effort, but this is 2011 and technology exists to remove the problem of swapping discs.
Nate-Dog  +   1167d ago
Well if it worked like MGS4 installing each time you finish one section I'd prefer having a bunch of disks myself. I found the break in MGS4 chapters more of a "mood-killer" or interruption than changing disks on a game on X360 since it'd take 5-10 minutes every time, and even after you've finished the game and go back to replay it they still have to install each time.
maniacmayhem  +   1167d ago
So will the PC require disc swapping? Since no blu-ray for Pc's.

Why is everyone associating dvd's with 360 only?
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iamgoatman  +   1167d ago
@maniacmayhem

On PC you don't run the game from the disc you pillock, it's all installed to the HDD. The only disc swapping you'd have to do is during the install.
Pootangpie  +   1167d ago
um actually yes anyone with half a brain and isn't a 500 Pd couch potato would now this
um actually yes anyone who isn't a 500 Pd couch potato would now this are that the SDF may be in denial

btw Um you do relize that MS cut the security and added extra space for future games on the 360 thanks to an update just thought I might put it out there jus in case you decide to do retarded assumption and blame the 360 again
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Gray-Fox-Type0  +   1167d ago
he gave a perfectly good reason why swapping disc is much better then installing and waiting to play the game...yes mgs4 did wait times for each chapter, while if it was on xbox 360 with four disc you would be playing in no time rather then waiting.. ps3 owners owned.
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MOTY  +   1167d ago
@ Pirate Thom

"It's a console, for entertainment, it's not supposed to require effort. Not that swapping a disc takes effort, but this is 2011 and technology exists to remove the problem of swapping discs."

I would hate to be at your place and see how pissed you get when you have to swap a disc in order to play a different game.
frostyhat123  +   1167d ago
I'm sorry Raven is making too much sense to you. He needs to back of the logic!
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DigitalAnalog  +   1167d ago
"Doom 4 and Rage are clear reasons why digital download wont work anytime soon"

I wish more developers would do games like these.

-End statement
news4geeks  +   1167d ago
disk swapping is no good for people, like me, who have a herniated disc... I can't get up...
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NIRVANArazor   1167d ago | Immature | show | Replies(1)
Snakefist30  +   1167d ago
@Raven ur a fanboy such as urself and ur calling other people fanboys!
Shinuz  +   1167d ago
Might not fit on a bluray disk?
My god how big of a download is it going to be on Steam then? hehe
Pandamobile  +   1167d ago
There's probably ways to compress the absolute hell out of it, then unpack it once downloaded. (Hopefully, lol)
miDnIghtEr  +   1167d ago
Imagine how long this MANDATORY install is going to be. I'm also loving seeing how all of a sudden having to switch between 2 disc isn't a big deal now. All the jokes flying about the 360 and it's 10 disc for the game.... yet nobody saying one word about multiple disc switching now for a PS3 game.
Godchild1020  +   1167d ago
I think because its not confirmed yet. He is just speculating on how much space it would take if he would use the super texture pack.

In this case if true, it would be the first and it might not be the last.
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1167d ago
Imagine how many discs on Xbox is going to be.
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wolfofashes  +   1167d ago
1.Carmack and mandatory install don't go along on the same sentence.
2.I don't believe that the game will be released in anything more than 3 discs because id don't like the absurd royalties that Microsoft charges for extra discs.
Rhezin  +   1167d ago
oh man I cannot WAIT FOR DOOM 4! yes!
Mr-Dude  +   1167d ago
Lol, they can make an Triple layer discs (100 GB) and give the PS3 a new firmware so the PS3 can read it..

Currently movie production companies have not utilized the triple or quadruple layer discs; most consumer owned Blu-ray players will not be able to read the additional layers, while newer Blu-ray players may require a firmware update to play the triple and quadruple sized discs.

So yes Mister Carmack, it is possible to put the game on 1 disc!
gamingdroid  +   1167d ago
Do you have any source for this?

Generally increasing disc storage size involves hardware changes in the laser.
Mr-Dude  +   1167d ago
Yes,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Triple layer discs (100 GB) and quadruple layers (128 GB) are available for BD-XL Blu-ray re-writer drives.[2] Currently movie production companies have not utilized the triple or quadruple layer discs; most consumer owned Blu-ray players will not be able to read the additional layers, while newer Blu-ray players may require a firmware update to play the triple and quadruple sized discs.
gamingdroid  +   1167d ago
First of all, that is hardly relevant since it is a very general statement (from wikipedia none the less with no source) and doesn't pertain to the PS3 at all.

Secondly BDXL has to be supported on all PS3s including the oldest ones.

Thirdly, an increase in storage size indicates a need for hardware change. See below for official quote from Blu-Ray association:

"Because both BDXL and IH-BD are specially designed formats with specific market segments in mind, **newly-designed hardware** is required to play back or record BDXL or IH-BD media. However, because the new media specifications are extensions of current Blu-ray Disc technology, future BDXL and IH-BD devices can be designed to support existing 25GB and 50GB Blu-ray Discs."

source: http://www.businesswire.com...

If all that fails to convince you:

"Before you get too excited, you should know that you'll need a new player to access these -- even a firmware update won't save the PS3 this time -- since they go up to three or four layers deep and will likely need a more powerful laser."

source: http://www.engadget.com/201...

Also from your very own source:

"BDXL discs are not compatible with existing BD drives."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Albeit no source, it corroborates with the press release from Blu-Ray Association.

Do you have a better source?
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Arnon  +   1167d ago
Lol @ the disagrees from gamingdroid.

"No. Once I have a 250 GB blu-ray disc, I'll just pop it in my PS3 and it will work. Stop arguing. You're wrong."

Sorry folks. The PS3 would require a hardware update, which Sony isn't going to do. Like I said in a previous comment. if Doom 4 is this large, most likely it will only release on PC, and Carmack will wait till the next generation of consoles to consider putting it on them.
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gamingdroid  +   1167d ago
@Arnon
Not only did I point out why, but I also provided sources. Disagrees don't change facts.

It is what it is! :D
Reborn  +   1167d ago
It sure is Carmack day.

DOOM 4, lets see.
Jazz4108  +   1167d ago
Be carefull gamingdroid you are talking negative about the super ps3 and it will lead to one bubble if you keep it up. Even though you ar correct and or just defending against the crap talked about your system of choice on n4g if you don't praise sony you don't exist.
Foxgod  +   1167d ago
Sounds like DOom 4 will be a next gen launch title coming sometimes in 2013.
iamgoatman  +   1167d ago
Yeah, I can't see it releasing for the current generation of consoles so the number of discs needed for the 360 is irrelevant. It's like saying Rage releases in a few months, image how many SNES cartridges it would need!
solidworm  +   1167d ago
does this mean the game might actually be any good?
Foxgod  +   1167d ago
Size got nothing to do with how good a game is.
Undeadwolfy  +   1167d ago
I think thats what he was implying.
Neko_Mega  +   1167d ago
Show me and quit talking.

Because anyone can say their game would be to big to fit on a bluray, but then again that is even a lie to.

Their is blurays bigger then 50GB, just PS3 only uses the 50GB at max.
Heishiro__Mitsurugi  +   1167d ago
50gb? call up Sony, they'll hook you up with more, Mr Carmack :). and.. ask msft to do a digital distribution of it 360 side..... lol
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slavish  +   1167d ago
this will be on ps4 and the next xbox. If it is that large then what about pc? its still on dvd!
TheMART  +   1167d ago
Wasn't the ps3 bluray drive software upgradable to read more layers/100GB discs?

At least thats what I thought I read some time ago.
xAlmostPro  +   1167d ago
Indeed it is :)
nightmarex121  +   1167d ago
Holy fuck that be so awesome, but i thought the blu-ray got a big update before so it holds like 60 some gigs now i thought.
Dragonshardz  +   1167d ago
It's Carmack. He and his team will probably find a way to "squeeze" DOOM4 on something acceptable, albeit a new console ;)
rmedtx888  +   1167d ago
Wow! that's a big game. How many DVDs would that take? How will they market that.
Dlacy13g  +   1167d ago
I am gonna call it now. Doom 4 will be a launch window title on the next xbox just like Quake was on the 360.
TaxExemption  +   1167d ago
that would be pretty cool
TBONEJF  +   1167d ago
DOOM 4 HELL YEAH! Doom was my first FPS BLOODY GAME as a kid. But to let John Carmack know LG did produce a 100GB DUAL LAYER BLU-RAY DISC. This game ia going to be MASSIVE.
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DJMarty  +   1167d ago
@TBONEJF - LG hasn't made a 100Gb Blu-ray disc. It's Sony, Pioneer, TDK & Sharp that all have. Pioneer has gone further and has 20 layer 500Gb Blu-ray discs.
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