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Paragon  +   688d ago
Wow, very nice! Be prepared to get a big backlash, but this was very interesting to read. I agree with your points.
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HonestDragon  +   687d ago
Ha, ha. Thank you very much, Paragon. Yeah, I hope no one takes it personal. It's just my opinion on the concept. Although, I don't know why they would take it personal. Does explicit sex in video games really make it personal for those who want to see more TNA and graphic *ahem* positions? We shall see.
SageHonor  +   687d ago
I agree with everything you said. I've seen arguments and from what i gather some people still hold the belief that nudity equals maturity when it comes to love scenes or sex in games. Also, sex is something I do in real life not a video game. Blowing somebody's head off is something I do in a video game not real life.

See what I did there?
n to the b  +   686d ago
yes, we see what you did there. the logic doesn't hold up though.

otherwise throw out the sports genre of video games entirely. after all, sports is something I do in real life not a video game.
SageHonor  +   686d ago
I play sports in real life and on a video game ^^
n to the b  +   686d ago
ok, and I play sex in real life and on a video game
ZoyosJD  +   686d ago
Long post, lots of (I'll say decent) points, but no true thesis. You seem to cop out of laying down your thoughts at the end by saying "You decide". Its fine to ask for opinions, but we can't really agree or disagree if you can't lay down the hard line on your own true thoughts. Also your examples are quite expected, and don't give an example on the other end of the spectrum where a scene has been minimally censored and yet remains classy and meaningful.

I will say there is a double standard. It's undeniable when you compare the standards in games:

When your character kills someone you see the entire action, you control the very manner that it happens in.
With the results being that you are rewarded (ex. with the +100) for virtually replicating the cause of someones death, and in some cases outright murder. On top of all this some of these depictions are allowed even in Teen rated games.

When your character has sex in a game it is standard for all control to be taken away from the player with the camera to pull away as if trying not to look or for everything to fade to black. The results are that an everyday act of passion is shunned or censored because it is tradition.

Could you imagine the screen going black every time you shot someone in COD. Could you imagine the screen turning away every time you punched someone in Fight Night. No blood, no gore. Or better yet, if none of these options were even available in the first place because someone thought it was too graphic for 95% of their audience.

I agree with some points like "just fan service", but is every kill just murder for the fun of it. Obviously, there is meaning behind a lot of it, just like sex. So, why should one be more censored than another? I see no reason for it.

At minimum death and sex should be on the same level in the same way that murder and rape should be crossing the line. But, apparently society thinks it better to show mass murder over even just sex.

Damn, If only I could have written an English paper on this topic.
HonestDragon  +   686d ago
Decent points, huh? No true thesis? You do realize I'm not writing an English paper, right? I'm pretty sure I made my point consistent throughout.

You say that I "cop out" of laying down my thoughts by opening things up for discussion and asking questions, and that somehow dissuades what I'm talking about? I am merely giving you (the reader) a chance to further your ideas on the subject.

I gave two examples of where sex was done well: God of War and Mass Effect. They weren't needlessly explicit.

"When your character kills someone you see the entire action, you control the very manner that it happens in."

True, but that doesn't take away anything from what is demonstrated by the act. It shows what your character is capable of to what you choose for them to do. It feeds more to the content and elements of the game.

"When your character has sex in a game it is standard for all control to be taken away from the player with the camera to pull away as if trying not to look or for everything to fade to black. The results are that an everyday act of passion is shunned or censored because it is tradition."

No, they are panned away and not explicitly shown because otherwise the game would get an Adults Only rating. It's hard enough trying to convince some countries that games with graphic violence deserve the best Mature rating they have.

Think of the hurdles needed to be jumped because a developer has full blown sex scenes in their game. As it is, many kids want CoD and GTA which are rated M for the violent content. Most parents are okay with this, but many of them and gamers would agree that sex scenes are something that children shouldn't be exposed to or that it's needed for the video game to keep it "mature". Retailers already put a lid on violent games from kids by asking for identification and parental permission. Having explicit sex and nudity in video games would cause developers to go through more red tape, which only brings more hassle.

"I agree with some points like "just fan service", but is every kill just murder for the fun of it. Obviously, there is meaning behind a lot of it, just like sex."

Yes, there is meaning behind these things, but I stressed that the reason why sex has been limited is because such things are sensitive to what a writer or director is trying to make. Too much explicit sex garners a piece of fiction nothing more than a title for pornography and does not contribute to the overall narrative aside from two characters having sex and never referencing it again or just barely. That's where the "fan service" mentality comes from.

Would having explicit sex in video games really make them any better? It's not that society thinks it's "better to show mass murder over even just sex". It's what the content shows at the end of it all. Sex has purpose, but a limited purpose. If sex becomes the staple of any piece of entertainment media, it's pornography. If it's shown too much or explicitly in any piece of entertainment media, it gets blacklisted, rated only for adults, or banned (same goes for graphic violence). People flipped out when the "Hot coffee" mod in San Andreas was around.

I get where you're coming from with the double standard, but in order for society to truly accept sex in video games, then it has to be handled delicately and maturely. There are many people out there who finger games for being the cause of violent outbursts in society and being a bad influence on children. If sex became a common theme in video games, then Adults Only ratings would be more commonplace and those same people would finger games for sex related crimes if they had the chance.
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ZoyosJD  +   686d ago
Yes, yes, yes, and not really.

It doesn't matter when you open up discussion. What matters is that you lay down your cold hard defined thoughts on the entirety of the matter before you ask if we agree or not.

Your second to last paragraph is the only place that slightly addresses this and does so in a vague manner ("when sex is the main idea of an entertainment medium") without drawing the line. When is that line for you? Nudity? A single explicit sex scene that develops a relation ship? One that doesn't? Multiple scenes?

Regardless of if you asked for our opinion or not(obvious enough as it is a blog with comments) you should have began with a concept and then backed it up. This is basic writing. It is something "a writer and an experienced actor in theater" should know.

I didn't have a clue where you were going until the end of the 5th paragraph, and even then I had no definitive idea.

Then you go off for 3 paragraphs describing generas...your audience needs that :S

Your examples of appropriate sex in games include one that pans away and one that fades to black as I mentioned is tradition. And your examples of inappropriate sex are "games" about rape and a game with only sexually explicit content.

You have no examples of the middle ground where a games sex scene can be sexually explicit, and yet not have sex be the focus of the game. The Witcher 2 would be a great example of this, as you can build relationships through the game like in mass effect yet the scenes can be (more so, yet not fully) sexually explicit.

"True, but that doesn't take away anything from what is demonstrated by the act. It shows what your character is capable of to what you choose for them to do. It feeds more to the content and elements of the game.

No, they are panned away and not explicitly shown because otherwise the game would get an Adults Only rating. It's hard enough trying to convince some countries that games with graphic violence deserve the best Mature rating they have."

So you think replicating the act of mass genocide deserves an M rating, while simply showing explicit sex is so horrid that it deserves a rating that practically won't even allow you to sell a game with it.

"Sex has purpose, but a limited purpose."

As does Violence.

You ask "why show sex when they could just show the relationship?"

I ask "why show violence when they could just show the struggle?"

Both of these things have their place in defining what they aim to portray. Both should be allowed, but they need the appropriate rating.

"People flipped out when the "Hot coffee" mod in San Andreas was around."

That was because the game wasn't appropriately rated for that content. Honestly, if GTA got an AO rating, but was still widely available it would have sold generally the same, and some parents would not have given their 12 year old kid a game made for adults or at least they would have learned like many did with it being M rated in the first place.

Historically speaking those that gave the "finger" to things for being different were the ones that were restricting and infringing upon the rights of others. As far as I am concerned you might as well be bowing down to praise their opinions right now.

Yes, it needs to be handled appropriately, but NOT by making explicit sex in games non-existent so a few can feel "good" about society.

I didn't take things out of context, your organization was just poor. When I saw you call yourself a writer I almost didn't even respond.
Ashriel  +   683d ago
Uhhhh, call me hypocrite all you want but controlling a sex scene in a videogame would feel awfuly awkward :/
ZoyosJD  +   683d ago
*faceplam*

Are you a prude?

If so why are you here?

If not, because of what?

Not because morally you would feel better killing someone, but because of how you expect society to react.

Awkward is a secondary emotion only felt when adhering to expectations.

Why don't you go play COD in church?

Your afraid of sex in games, like a boy hiding his internet usage, or a politician of his drinking habit.

In fact "hypocrite" is the perfect fit.
Ashriel  +   683d ago
I'm not against sex in games, fyi. But having to play a sex scene would make 99% of players feel uncomfortable, so what's the point?
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n to the b  +   686d ago
"Decent points, huh? No true thesis? You do realize I'm not writing an English paper, right? I'm pretty sure I made my point consistent throughout."

you're trying to have it both ways. don't put so much obvious effort into an extended blog post, even asking for our feedback, and then pretend you don't care.

your point was not 'pretty consistent throughout'. it wasn't until the last paragraph or 2 that it became possible to discern that you don't necessarily hate sexually explicit material in and of itself - just that it does little to 'mature' video games.

EDIT: grammar
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HonestDragon  +   686d ago
How am I making it seem like I don't care? I merely added a rebuttal to the comment. I even offered some questions for discussion. What? I can't do that? Was I ever implying that I thought sex was wrong in games or I was against it completely? I never blatantly said that.

Good grief, some of you can be so sensitive and aggressive. Also, I know other media doesn't handle sex as well as they should. I'm saying that video games need to be handled well because of the reputation video games have with some social circles in North America.

Over the course of human history, many people have fingered various forms of pop culture as the reason for corrupting society or youth. I'm not defending them or the pop culture. I am giving my opinions on sex in video games and how I think it won't work as well as violence does.

A couple of you have taken this out of context by making it seem like I don't care about others' opinions or with how I presented my opinion. Don't point fingers at me making it seem like I don't give a thought to others or their opinions. I read, I rebuttal, and I make my points. Keep your writing to the article at hand, not by making negative assertions about the author because you don't agree with what you just read.
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n to the b  +   686d ago
"in order for society to truly accept sex in video games, then it has to be handled delicately and maturely"

you mean, like how it's always handled delicately and maturely in film and the other already-accepted media?
/sarcasm

"If sex became a common theme in video games, then Adults Only ratings would be more commonplace and those same people would finger games for sex related crimes if they had the chance."

So? the solution is not to kowtow to the ignorant fearmongers who don't take the time to understand a new medium. don't walk on eggshells for people who don't understand how much they look like those ignorant grannies who thought rock and roll was the devil.

life liberty and the pursuit of happiness should ONLY EVER be restricted when your activities infringe on those same rights of others around you. spanking to Bayonetta in the privacy of your bedroom causes no direct harm to anyone.

Don't Tread On Me.
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