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Honolulu  +   1802d ago
That's because a 360 game disc can't hold more than 6.8gb-something of data, the rest of the space is used up for physical protection against piracy.... which doesn't really work that well though.
hay  +   1802d ago
Actually it's almost 8GB digital data. But yeah, as usual it's fit to the fullest. But be aware of the fact that except the game data there also must be cutscenes present on the disc.
LiquifiedArt  +   1802d ago
I was a day 1 buyer (since i collect FF games)
but i think i'm rejecting it in complete protest against the franchise and the horrible direction its been heading since FFX.
StanLee  +   1802d ago
WTF?! O_o
bnaked  +   1802d ago
@Honolulu

Yes, thats the truth, don't know why you got disagrees..
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Lifendz  +   1802d ago
Uh oh
I guess blu-ray isn't needed. All you PS3 naysayers were right despite anything Guerilla, Naughty Dog, or Insomniac said! /s
Shang-Long  +   1802d ago
blaMe the company that sold out. Not the one that brought em out
Persistantthug  +   1802d ago
As said, an XBOX 360 DVD 9 disk is approx 8 GB of capacity, but because of security and other mandated protocols, each disk can hold only 6.8 GB
But what I'm not sure about is why or how this would come into play with Final Fantasy 13, seeing that it's using multiple disks anyway.

Maybe this was a coincidence....maybe not...kinda strange though.
Cold 2000  +   1802d ago
Maybe SE should cut off some CGI next time and actually expand the game.

I am a FF fan and I wouldnt cry if SE produce a new FF with half the CGI but twice as big.

But I have to admit those CGI's are gorgeous and they're a part of FF games but geez..."32.6GB of movies and just 6.8GB of actual game content"
vhero  +   1802d ago
If ff13 (360 version) is like all other multi disc ff games and the full game is on every disc and all that's different on each disc is the movies then the 360 version will be dulled down massively as they can't just use 1.2gb for movies per disc surely? Of course thats speculation but S-E have made every one of their previous RPGs the same including chrono cross so I can't see them changing it for ff13.
snake_eater  +   1802d ago
lets do some math shall we?
360 game disc = 6.8 GB max for games
FFXIII = 40GB game data

40*1/6.8 = 6 dvds

anyways kudos to square enix for ruining FFXIII...
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sikbeta  +   1802d ago
Just 6.8GB?

CR@P!

Well, is Multiplat game, more Disc = more Royalties

Better FFvs13 use Much More GBz than that
ravinash  +   1802d ago
"Blu Ray not needed"...
Think how good the game would have been if they used more of the disk for the game. And your trying to say that all that space isn't needed.

plus are you also trying to tell me that the 360 version they have removed all the cutscenes.
Something is not adding up.
SoX FireBlade  +   1802d ago
those CGI movies have big filesizes I guess

and it's JRPG not surprising
HDgamer  +   1802d ago
Versus XIII will only make it better.
NOOBKILLA  +   1802d ago
Well it's like this in my opinion. Since the FFXIII is identical then the actual gameplay will be the same on both consoles. As for the FMV the 360 will be displayed at 720p while the PS3 will be displayed at 1080p. Just like any 1080p video rather it is from a game or a blu-ray movie will depend on your TV to get the quality from it.

It has been proven that unless you have at least a 52" 1080p TV you can't tell the deference between 720p and 1080p video and I totally agree with that.

The PS3 appears to be made for gamers that are also tech geeks. To truly get the potential out of your PS3 you need a 52" or higher 1080p TV with at least a 120 refresh rate and 50,000:1 contrast ratio AT LEAST, a receiver with DTS HD and Dolby HD capabilities. Thus the reason why they're so many fanboys! 95% of them can only afford one system and can't afford the TV and sound system that can really display 1080p the way it needs to be. If the game was a PS3 exclusive then the gameplay would be closer to the quality of Uncharted 2 and GOW 3, however I’m an adult so I know how business works.

It makes me wonder what type of set-up is used when games are being compared on the 360 and PS3.

PS. To all you fanboys, get a damn job so you can afford both a PS3 and 360 and step your TV game up like me and it wouldn’t matter. LOL
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Whitefox789  +   1802d ago
@ravinash
remember in the 360 version the audio and probably the movies are compressed to save space.
ilikecookies  +   1802d ago
Honolulu got disagrees because while he is right about the dvd part, he has the wrong idea(even though I still blame the 360 for the game being gimped) There is 32gigabytes of data thats cutscenes and 6.8 gigabytes of actual game content. He is implying it is 6.8 gigabytes because dvd 9 cannot hold more than 8 gigs which is true but the whole game itself is 39.4 gigabytes and has nothing to do with xbox. He was simply being a fanboy =)

I think we should be more worried about more cutscenes than gameplay rather than being gimped for the 360 version.
Monsignor  +   1802d ago
@NOOBKILLA
After seeing that you think you can't tell the difference between 720P and 1080P on a screen smaller than 52", I quit reading. Because you clearly know nothing about HD or Tv's. Whether you can tell the difference between the two relies mostly on your viewing distance. Sure, if you were 40 feet away, it would be tough, but if you sat 8 feet away from a 52" TV, you would CLEARLY tell the difference between 720P and 1080P. Go educate yourself before calling people fanboys.
wpggamer  +   1802d ago
UMMM Yeah
They already said the 360 version will have compressed textures (part of the game data) and movies and audio. The 360 version is 21 gb approx. So the game data is probably somewhat smaller for the 360 version as has been stated numerous times before. So this saying that it's because of the 360 is a crock, you guys just don't know what you're talking about.
PinkUni  +   1802d ago
wow
i didnt actually believe that this game was going to be limited by the dvds but i guess this proves it...
rafaleon  +   1802d ago
Em, MGS4 Déjà vu?
Anyone?
Sarcasm  +   1802d ago
"It has been proven that unless you have at least a 52" 1080p TV you can't tell the deference between 720p and 1080p video and I totally agree with that."

*Sigh*
There's a thing called optimum viewing distance. For example, I can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on my 46" Samsung if I sit 6-7 feet away. Obviously I wouldn't be able to tell the difference if I sat 10-12 feet away. That's when a bigger screen would be required.
El_Colombiano  +   1801d ago
"It has been proven that unless you have at least a 52" 1080p TV you can't tell the deference between 720p and 1080p video and I totally agree with that."

That is the most ignorant thing people say when they try justifying 720p as the same quality as 1080p I have my 42" LCD in my room and sit about six feet away from it and the difference between 1080p and 720p is night and day. So please, don't bring that BS in here.
darthv72  +   1801d ago
mgs4 analysis?
has there been an analysis on the size of metal gear solid 4? Really like to know what percentage is gameplay and just watching movies.
Arnon  +   1801d ago
Lol just wondering, but how is it that this game is limited by DVD-9, if the game is going to be shipped on 3-4 DVDs? Doesn't that basically contradict everything people say about it? Considering that a dual-layered blu-ray disc has 50 GB of storage, and the game itself is 39.4 GB, I'd say they're not leaving out much.

Then you start to hear that SE cut stuff out of FFXIII. If that's the case, then the game would easily exceed a single blu-ray disc, contradicting everything everyone says about how "multiple discs are bad and archaic".

It's pretty one-sided if you ask me.
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RadientFlux  +   1801d ago
Not surprising, I think if you look at most Final Fantasy games (7 and after). The majority of the space on the disc is taken up cinematics.
ThanatosDMC  +   1801d ago
6.8gb?! Wow, that's a lot of content cut out from the original idea. AKNAA's link... ummm... wherever it is. Chocobo zoo, the characters' houses, the park, etc.

I wonder if SE also gimped PS3's textures to make them look alike?
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cyberwaffles  +   1801d ago
@noobkilla
"however I’m an adult so I know how business works."

you're an adult and you have a profile pic of goku and you're name is noobkilla? i thought you were like 15.
NOOBKILLA  +   1801d ago
Wow! You talk about fanboys with their garbage TVs and their one console (most likely M$ 360) they get all upset. Boo Hoo. Get some tissue or something!

I started off saying it was “my opinion”. I only can go off of my personal experiences and articles I have read. I have a 1080p 55" Samsung LED in my living room and a 32" 1080p Samsung LED in my bedroom. I've play both my 360 and PS3 on both of the TVs. My 55" sh*ts on my 32" by far!!

I'm sorry I thought N4G forums were where gamers sat and shared opinions about all aspects of gaming. The only thing I did was bash fanboys, if I made you flustered then you must be a fanboy and I apologize! LOL
saint_john_paul_ii  +   1801d ago
NOOBKILLA
you got owned by the noobs. just shut up.

you have no idea what you are talking about. i have 2 hd TVs at home, a 720p Bravia and a 1080p bravia. guess what? put them side by side and immediately saw the difference while watching it at 6ft away from me. the 1080p picture was more crisp and more colorful than that of a 720p tv.
NOOBKILLA  +   1801d ago
Most of you all listen to sites such as IGN like it is the bible. I'm sure most of you have heard of CNET. Here is an article from last year about 720p vs 1080p:

http://reviews.cnet.com/720...

If you have time please read number 9 (especially the 3rd paragraph) and state your opinion. I'm not that far off with my "OPINION"!!!
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thewhoopimen  +   1801d ago
@ the Naysayers
I'm guessing most of you guys somehow missed this article yesterday or the day before:

Final Fantasy XIII Had Lots of Deleted Content
Art director says enough content removed to make another game.
http://www.andriasang.com/e...

That 6.8 of game content was closer to 14gb before they started gimping.
Saaking  +   1801d ago
The 360 version is gonna be really inferior when it comes to the CGI cutscenes. Anyways, the game was obviously gimped.
Traveler  +   1801d ago
Well, this is pretty much what I expected. If it were not for the movies and stuff it would fit on a DVD. Not surprising when you look at how huge RPGs like Fallout 3 and ES4 are and they still fit on a DVD.

Anyway, the cut scenes are what made them have to put the 360 version on multiple discs. After all, if it got much bigger even the PS3 version would have to be put on multiple discs. I wouldn't care though, because multiple discs has never bothered me.
Millah  +   1801d ago
@NOOBKILLA
Just quit while you're ahead. You're looking like an idiot right now. Especially for being an "adult."

For you to say any TV less than 52" doesn't benefit from added pixels is quite an idiotic statement. I don't care what size it is, more pixels is more pixels. Viewing distance has everything to do with whether or not you notice those additional pixels. Larger screen sizes benefit more from added pixels due to pixel density, but thats not to say the benefit is exclusive to them. Its just more exaggerated on a larger screen like I said due to pixel density.
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Honolulu  +   1801d ago
@Ilikecookies.
I'm not a fanboy and I'm sorry if I offended anyone. :)
Bodyboarder_VGamer  +   1801d ago
Like 1 year ago I used to sell TV's in Best Buys and I read a lot about HDTV's so I can help the customers better and one thing is for sure. Even if you put 2 HDTV of any size side by side, one 720p and the other 1080p with blu-ray hooked-up I can assure you that you'll not notice a damn difference.

Another thing is that all this 120HZ TV thing is just another marketing BS to get people to buy newer TV's. We will never see native 120fps content nor games until maybe the PS4 or something so that feature will be wasted. The same with the 24p BS. In fact, the 24p thing make the movies look even worse... What you really need to watch closely before buying a new TV is the "refresh-rate MS" and how well the "dejudder" works. Most 120HZ displays have dejudder but that doesn't means that it works as good.

And let me tell you that Plasmas are still the best. LED's are just a re-branding of LCD, they both suffer from the same problems of not entirely deep blacks and lag. I really feel bad for all those people wasting thousand of dollars in a LED when Plasmas are still better and so much cheaper. But that's the power of Marketing combined with the stupidity of the consumers.
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SaberEdge  +   1801d ago
Absolutely. Plasma is the way to go. All LCDs, whether they use LED or CCFT, they all have problems inherent to LCD technology. They can try to cover it up with a bunch of gimmicky features, but it doesn't hide the fact that you can get deep blacks, fast response times, great contrast, better color reproduction and little to no motion blur with a Plasma for less money. The only issue I have with plasma is that you can still get some image retention and even burn in, but it is a much smaller problem than some make it out to be.

Personally, I can't wait for OLED or SED or one of the other newer technologies on the horizon.

Moving back on topic, this goes to show you that except for the occasional JRPG that uses a lot of CGI cutscenes most games this generation fit just fine on a DVD. Games like Lost Odyssey came on more than one disc, but it didn't bother me at all. The fact is, most games this generation don't need more than one DVD and to have an occasional game that does isn't even an issue.
thewhoopimen  +   1801d ago
@Bodyborder_vgamer
Hey did you hear that Pioneer is planning to stop production of Plasmas this year? Wonder why huh. Plasma's use about 2-3x the amount of power that LCDs use, and they still have burn-in issues (whatever you say bub, put about 100 hours into MW2 like most ppl do on here is gonna damage a Plasma). They're heavier than LCDs, and are not sunlight friendly (which basically means they aren't good for most people's homes. Not everyone watches TV at night only... sorry.)

LED LCD Tvs as long as they are not edge lit (and if they are... they're like 1/5 the thickness of a plasma. Its the tradeoff), but with a full backlight array, not only use less power than current CCFL LCDs, but have near, =, or better the black levels as Plasmas and probably 2x-3x times the brightness levels too. LCD's have such a wide cost range that ANYONE could literally buy an LCD (not that I'd tell u to go get a cheap one). Plasmas while they are much better value these days ... can't compete on the low end.

But with OLEDs coming in even LCDs won't last forever. But come on, Plasmas are obselete like DLPs.

PS Did I mention you can swap out backlights on an LCD (sorry SOL for plasma when it gets old) AND even conjecturing that you couldn't, you would still have a better lifespan out of your LCD usage than your plasma? Bet you didn't know that.
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legendkilla  +   1801d ago
I have a Pioneer 50 inch plasma and its way better than any LCD or LED
lmao swap back lights? name one model of any LCD that you can "swap back light ". Burn in only happened on the first few generations of the its been a non factor for so long.
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oohWii  +   1801d ago
Question?
Have anybody noticed how many time the same thing is repeated over and over again by different fanboys as if the version of the same dumb comment is the only one being read?

Why do they do that? There is a huge group of lemmings on this site that simply repeat the same crap that the dude two messages above says. Kind of irritating...Does anyone have anything original to say, if not why not just read and not say anything.

Just a question.
DJ  +   1801d ago
NoobKilla. I have a 25-inch HP moniter that's 1080p
And I can Definitely tell the difference between 720p and 1080p content on this screen. You don't need 52 inches to "tell the difference". Stop spreading FUD.
imtiyaz6  +   1801d ago
I played killzone 2 in a 40inch series X Bravia last year... wonder why it was so damn grainy??? the game in the 40 inch 720p Samsung LCD looked so much better. Can any one help me out???
Alvadr  +   1801d ago
They already confirmed that PS3 version has 1080p cutscences lossless 7.1 uncompressed audio. The 360 version does not which whill cut down on at max 1/3 of those GBs size above.

Guess the 360 version is a 3 disker then.
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Omega4  +   1802d ago
So if there was no CGI FFXIII could have fit on 1 dvd with space to spare, and thats without any compression aswell 0.o
cgoodno  +   1802d ago
And how many stand alone FF games since FF7 have not been heavily laden with CGI?

The really sad thing people should be recognizing is that there isn't uncompressed audio.

I'm also wondering if this means that 360 owners will have to copy the game data to their HDD and insert CGI source discs or something similar?
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GrandDragon  +   1802d ago
Indeed this game could have fitted on one disk, but that would have no Audio or CGI cut scenes. In fact 5.1 Audio takes up a lot of space, so 7.1 lossless audio takes up even more! This division of space/memory/data is seen in EVERY game, including Exclusive PS3 titles.

Nothing to bash about at all, in fact Square Enix could have utilised that extra 10GB for content but they decided to take it out, which was a wise move since they had to compromise for fairness and equality.

They promised the gamers that both versions on both systems would have the same Game content and Game Quality, but obviously not absolutely identical since the PS3 is inherently superior in both its HD capability and Audio output.

We have to congratulate then for having to cut so much content, and having to compromise to make both version equal. Seriously people stop with the hate, the game looks amazing and it gives a great deal of content for what its worth.

Lets all hope that SquareEnix release DLC in the near future for this game.
edgeofblade  +   1802d ago
At this point, I should ask why they don't just animate these things in-engine and save the space... and disks?

I find it funny that people regard larger disks as "necessary" since AAA games tend to expand toward the upper limits of their storage medium anyway. And, on top of that, most high-fidelity visual effects don't come from huge texture files, but from algorithmic processing of fairly LOW-rez maps. In other words, it's no big surprise that FF13 is actually small, if you shave off the CGI bloat.
Godmars290  +   1802d ago
@GrandDragon
They may have promised both versions would have the same content and quality, but before that they promised it was going to be exclusive and use exclusive tools. Use the most of the sole-system abilities.

They broke the latter, though earlier, promise so why doesn't that make any further promises they make suspect?
saint_john_paul_ii  +   1801d ago
GrandDragon
you mean the DLC that should of been on the Blu-Ray disc in the first place? you know the content that they got rid of in order to make the 360 version equal to the PS3 version.

this game would of had lots of potential if it was only exclusive to the PS3. it would of had open world gameplay for that matter with loads of side quests. but guess what, Square-enix got too greedy and they ported the game to the 360 version.

people werent pissed because the game just went to the 360. people were pissed because of this decsion which would cut so much stuff from the game itself. the same fear that has come true. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

now we have a trash game.
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SaberEdge  +   1801d ago
What more do you want, Pope? It already almost fills a bluray. What do you want, two blurays?

FFXII Versus is being made solely for the PS3, but if you think it is going to be any different you are going to be sorely disappointed.

Face it, that content was cut out because it was junk content. It didn't work, so they cut it out.
ClownBelt  +   1802d ago
It defeats MGS4? Lmao
WildArmed  +   1802d ago
yeah simply because MGS4 had no CGI, it was all done in the ingame engine. (and yet looked equal to if not better than FFXIII)
The Lazy One  +   1801d ago
it did not look better than FF in any way except brown-ness
saint_john_paul_ii  +   1801d ago
MGS4's Cutscenes were all done in-game. the game have 35+GBs of content.
Finalfantasykid  +   1801d ago
MGS4 had one cutscene that was not in game(it had in game graphics, but was a video).

If you watch the epic cutscene at the end of the chapter in chapter 3, you will notice a small amount of compression going on, and furthermore, you cannot zoom in like you can in all other cutscenes.
But other than that, all other cutscenes were 100% in games as far as I know.
DaTruth  +   1801d ago
@The Lazy One
There was no browness in the South America level or the Shadow Moses level. And I probably wouldn't even qualify the London level as brown.

So 3/4 levels are not brown at all! Maybe the only reason there was a brown level is because there is nowhere in the Middle East that isn't brown!

The browness is just a consequence of having a Middle Eastern level!
Xwow2008  +   1802d ago
Sigh
Iam not really surprised by that, they already cut alot of contents .
hay  +   1802d ago
Actually if you look at the file name indexes you can estimate how much of it was cut out.
mricecreamman  +   1802d ago
there was an article sating they did cut a lot of content enough to create another game with.
WildArmed  +   1802d ago
i hope SE isn't planning to sell us 20$ DLC packs every 2 months form march to 2012
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iron_sheik  +   1802d ago
BS
the disc is copy protected and read protected too
not all physical memory spaces are visible
ever seen FF8 ps2 memory footnote ?

It had 4 files of 8mb only.in reality the contents were all HIDDEN

The game is downgraded for x360. However i am happy i wont be getting the version of 4 DVDS with compressed video at 720p only

PS3 FTW
Shane Kim  +   1802d ago
Exactley, you cant just pop it inside your computer/PS3 and expect to see all the files. There are LOTS of hidden files wich no one but the admins can see.
Trebius  +   1802d ago
Haters will continue to hate....
Fact of the matter is, 360 ruined this game...the 60 hours of content that was removed due to the limitations on the 360 can attest to that.

360 bots can say what they want, and live in their world of Denial.

But those that think logically, know that FFXIII is not the game it was promised to be, because SE was influenced by the ol' mighty dollar and gimped their game.

Another thing that proves it's true is the fact that developers were definitely angered by the move, because some said if the same happens with FFvsXIII they would QUIT.

What message does that send to you???

FF is supposed to be a labor of love! Id be upset as a developer if we had to TRASH all our work and gimp it because we got a check.

At least vsXIII is going to be the ORIGINAL VISION realized, and not gonna get gimped.
LEGENDARY PELON  +   1801d ago
FACT for the ps3 fangirls
Ps3 only does movies :)

This game is a fine example

Honorable mentions:MGS4

Well ima go play some Halo 3 online, a perfect example of what a multiplayer
Game shud be
garos82  +   1801d ago
@1.3
lol so its true the xbox 360 has no games. you poor man still stuck playing halo.
CWMR  +   1801d ago
-No, I know where he is coming from. The 360 has tons of games, but Halo 3 is so good that I can't help but continue to play it. That doesn't meant that I don't play a wide variety of other games as well.-
chidori666  +   1802d ago
6.8GB of actual game conten
WOW... thank you 360rrod for this downgrade and ruined the best francise of rpgs of family playstation... -.-
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Ultraplayerxd  +   1802d ago
bummer
each passing day I get closer to not buying this game.
mricecreamman  +   1802d ago
wow
this must be the 360 version.
Blitzkid  +   1802d ago
I feel sorry for the XBOX only owners. How will this content fit on a dvd? ^^
Corrwin  +   1802d ago
It won't fit on a DVD.

It's fit on several DVDs :|

I'd love to gloat, since I love BluRay, but this has been done since the dawn of multiple cassette tapes on the Commodore64 and earlier, no doubt.
jellybalboa  +   1802d ago
@corwin
hey you had a commodore 64, not many people know wot dat is, i started with a commodore vic 20 then upgraded to a 64, bless the good old days.
Corrwin  +   1799d ago
You upgraded TO a commodore 64?

Are there not folk worshipping you as one of the Ancient Ones??
jellybalboa  +   1797d ago
yes i do have my following
well naturally yes i do have my own cult group we call ourselves the commodores,
Lehman Brothers  +   1802d ago
This is nothing NEW...

The japanese ISO of MGS4 had 22GB 7.1 True HD Audio file

and the game alone was around 10 GB huge...

Its a fact that every game can fiton a DVD9.. just look on the PC market.

Heavanly Sword was 7 GB big and the audio was 13 GB big.

Just google a little and you will find FACTS.
Marty8370  +   1802d ago
@Lehman Brothers
Fool.

The difference is that the PC can have it's data compressed as every PC has a hard drive as standard so installs uncompressed game data, same can't be said for Crapbox.

Lehman Brothers - you go on as if 1080p & uncompressed arn't required, just cos your Crapbox can't cope you don't need it.

What would you rather have Black & white 480p graphics, with mono sound.

Are you so stupid that you like living in the past. Well you must be, you did buy the crapbox afterall.

Jump Out, Play B3yond
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The Killer  +   1802d ago
@Marty8370
how dare u telling the bot above u to jump out to our beloved ps3??

if bots buy ps3 then they will just ruin PSN!! it will be all childish and swearing and shouting etc!! it is good that 360 exist!! at least it collect the worst of gamers in the world while the best gamers go to ps3!!

bots stay in ur sinking ship until u sink with it!! dont jump out!! we will throw u back to the water!!
Immortal321  +   1802d ago
Now they have to bite their words
any 360 purchase of this game is a slap to the face.
"MGS4" we all remember what they said. not the multiplat rumor but the gameplay itself.
Lehman Brothers  +   1802d ago
Japanese MGS4 ISO game data was 10 GB big/ Audio was 22GB

Heavenly Sword GAME data was 7 GB big / Audio was 13 GB

Just google for facts. This has nothing to do with Microsoft you Fanboys. Its a fact that actual games DO NOT need more than a DVD9 for game data only. Just look on crysis for the PC.

TAke a Nnrmal DVD with a movie and you will see how big a 5.1 DD sound is.

ONLY PS3 exclusives USE uncompressed 7.1 True HD audio.. its marketing to fill SOnys disc, nothing else.
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Blitzkid  +   1802d ago
crysis is a very bad example. consoles have too little RAM to extract the data in runtime. btw. it is not very performant!
Noob  +   1802d ago
If 1 DVD was only needed, then why are there 360 games and exclusives that use 2 or more discs. Rockstar, 2K, Turn 10, and other developers are having issues fitting their games on DVD9. Regardless if it's a cutscene or gameplay, DVD9 isn't helping with game quality. First a racing game on two DVDs and now a FPS. That isn't a good sign at all.

Edit:

"Just google for facts."

That made me laugh. Google "Forza 3 2nd disc" and you'll discover that you need the 2nd disc for the "full experience". Oh yeah, it has to be installed to the HDD too so if your an arcade owner, I guess you won't be getting the "full experience". Ouch.
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PirateThom  +   1802d ago
Crysis needs 12GB of hard drive space.
anh_duong  +   1802d ago
doesn't crysis have to be uncompressed and installed onto a hard drive to work?? the data is compressed to fit on a single disk but for the game to work the game has to be uncompressed onto the hard drive. even pc that are super fast can not be expected to uncompress on the fly.

taken from crysis webpage:

http://www.crysis-online.co...

Minimum Requirements

CPU: Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz (3.2 GHz for Vista), Intel Core 2.0 GHz (2.2
GHz for Vista), AMD Athlon 2800+ (3200+ for Vista) or better
RAM: 1GB (1.5GB on Windows Vista)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Radeon X800 Pro for Vista) or better
VRAM: 256MB of Graphics Memory
Storage: 12GB

minimum storage require is 12gb..
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Redempteur  +   1802d ago
lol ..you make me laugh ..hard .

As if MGS4 without the audio codecs conversation is hardly the same game ... Of course it should count as an overall amount of data with the rest since the game heavily use this audio data ...

SAme with FF13 .. FF13 without CGI is not the same thing .. Overall the game ( the complete game ) can't be done the same way on another console .. .
That's why bu-ray is needed .. Come on FF13 use 32gb of data for CGI only .
Ravage27  +   1802d ago
i have to add
the main advantage of blu-ray for gaming is that game devs no longer have to LIMIT their work to fit on a dvd. Whether it takes up 15gb,25gb or 50gb, fact remains that they all fit on ONE blu-ray disc. That means ALOT to sandbox games and RPGs (switching of discs in SO4 for e.g)

It is a great option and many devs have stated that they are happy with the freedom in their interviews
thewhoopimen  +   1801d ago
@Lehman brothers
Hey Buddy,

The designers at Square Enix announced they took out 6-7 gb of game content from FFXIII... enought they claim, to make a totally new game.

Game data for XIII would've been closer to 14gb if it weren't for the decision to take out (ex:) "towns" in the game. You still think DVD9 is acceptable when my digital camera holds more memory just for pics?
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Traveler  +   1801d ago
All games have some content cut from them as production goes forward. Nothing new here. Besides, if the game was much larger it wouldn't even fit on a Blu-ray. Then we would have to hear people complaining about having multiple discs on the PS3 version.
dkgshiz  +   1802d ago
Thats a lot of cutscenes
dang
Corrwin  +   1802d ago
Holly Crap!
A Final Fantasy game with a lot of Video!?!?!

Extra Extra: Pope poops in woods!
Lehman Brothers  +   1802d ago
Ratchet & Clank and Resistance took both 22GB of space!

So how does resistance need 22 GB of space if it looks worse compared to Bioshock or Call of DUty and many others which take 6 GB space??

Both use uncompressed 7.1 True HD audio, like Heavenly Sword, Lair, MGS4.. like every PS3 exclusive.
gtamike123  +   1802d ago
Resistance looks good for first ps3 game.
http://www.xgn.nl/downloads...

Maybe you have a SD tv
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nefertis  +   1802d ago
@gtamike123 nice pic of resistence. Playb3yond
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Pistolero  +   1801d ago
Resistance and Resistance 2 both looked average guys...don't pretend otherwise...he is right that there is no reason that games like Resistance and Ratchet & Clank should take up that much space...which just goes to show that developers have to repeat data on the bluray to help loading times....Gears of War looks far better than Resistance yet fits on a DVD.
dkgshiz  +   1802d ago
Those dvd 9s will probably explode
From the extreme compression there going to have to do for the 360 version.
Lehman Brothers  +   1802d ago
There wont be any compression... The CGI will just run with 720p instead of 1080p + compressed audio.

FACT is, that graphics will look better on the 360.
OmarJA-N4G  +   1802d ago
You done embarrassing yourself now?
rezenu  +   1802d ago
I speak for everyone when I say...kindly shut the hell up.

Dumb fanboy.
Meryl  +   1802d ago
Haha you are so funny even IGN and 1UP have said they are both identical, when you get out of 2007 let us all know that time is not frozen for just you anymore.
kingxXx  +   1802d ago
boycut the game!
I made my mind: i'm not going to download ( i mean buy lol) the game!!
Marty8370  +   1802d ago
@Lehman Brothers
Graphics & audio data are crucial part of the game. Having native 1080p & uncompressed audio just enhanced the gaming experience. PS3 version is clearly the superior.

Crapbox = Gimped version, have fun juggling/scratchin discs.

Jump Out, Play B3yond
Shichiro  +   1802d ago
Okay, I'm not too informed and I'm not against 360 since I do have both systems. I just want this question answered.

If Square Enix kept this game as an exclusive for PS3, would FF 13 kept more content and better game quality than this one?
PirateThom  +   1802d ago
That's the sticking point, isn't it?

There's no way of knowing exactly what has been cut or changed to accomodate multiple DVDs.

Duplicating data across multiple discs takes up space, but the CGI cutscenes are 1080p on PS3 and 720p on 360 which also takes up more space.
SuperStrokey1123  +   1802d ago
Well never really know, but my guess is yes but of course that is nothing more than a guess
Godmars290  +   1802d ago
We may never know, but when devs let slip they left enough "erroneous" content on the cutting room floor, some of which had been PS3 playable, that unanswerable question doesn't have a favorable answer.
thewhoopimen  +   1801d ago
Did any of you guys read the interview yesterday?
The chief designer at Square Enix pretty much said that they took out enough game content from FFXIII to make another game. That's an educated guess of a total of 12-14GB of total game data. Of course space is a big deal.
Traveler  +   1801d ago
If that is true whoopimen, then the game would have to be put on multiple Blu-ray discs. The game is already almost 40GB of data, so if you added 14GB more of data that would put it over the limit for current Blu-ray discs. All games have content cut as the development process goes on, just like films. It doesn't mean that content was in a finished and polished state and then just cut out.
OmarJA-N4G  +   1802d ago
Thank you M$ & SE for ruining another game.
N4Garbage  +   1802d ago
Right...so Lost Odyssey basically is more game than FF13.

1080p Video and Uncompressed Sound take up lots of space....

Ps3 boys please explain.

If FF13 takes up pretty much a full 50GB Blu Ray when content was cut why was it the 360 version blamed when the Ps3 version couldn't suffice the content either?

Blame away morons, FF13 couldn't have been with that other content regardless of platform PLEASE tell me otherwise.

I blame the developers who rather make less game and beef up with cutscenes. 720p cutscenes and 5.1 audio would have made 0 difference to maybe 80% or more of the purchasers of this game anyway....yet SE decides to make more CGI than actual game....

FAIL.
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PirateThom  +   1802d ago
As above, 360 version has 720p CGI, but it also requires data duplication across the discs. It's not like tons of CGI or cutscenes is a new feature to the series.

However, there's no way of knowing how this breaks down, but converting a single discs to multiple discs was always going to lead to cuts, but keep beliving it doesn't. It's amusing.
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SuperStrokey1123  +   1802d ago
32.6+6.8 /= 50 gigs, thats a difference of over 10 gigs, which is almost 2 more full discs of 360 content. So the blu ray isnt even close to full. The 360 on the other hand has like 6 discs already (hyperbole but you get the point)...
N4Garbage  +   1802d ago
That's like saying creating a port would lead to cuts rather than just a loss to quality and from impressions the only loss of quality is the cutscenes and audio which my headset and TV will not recognize anyway.

To my knowledge the Ps3 version was created and optimized first and their end result was using 40GB of space which is a benchmark for a Ps3 game with MGS4 sitting at 32gb of data on disc.

What I'm trying to figure out is how the 360 VERSION stopped the Ps3 Version from receiving content it couldn't even receive anyway.

SE says "A whole other game" 10GB of 1080p CGI and Uncompressed Audio plus game data ISN'T a "whole other game" CORRECT?
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CARRIERHASARRIVED  +   1802d ago
Hey, I've actually seen gimped/dwarfed versions of old psx games, and let me tell you, the videos and the animated, pre-rendered bg's make up for like 60-80% of the data on those discs, haha. I'm not even kidding. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same case with newer games like MGS4 and FF13. The PS2 FF games did ok, in terms of the number of discs they required.. and they had really nice cutscenes (or cg, whatever) in them all. If those games were only about 2 gigs worth of "raw game data" on the discs, I wouldn't be shocked.. But who knows, I don't make these games..
SuperStrokey1123  +   1802d ago
There was 10 more gigs of room to put game "elements" on the disc that will not be making it and square said they left tonnes of stuff out of the game on the cutting floor.

I dont see how you are confused here about what we are talking about.
bjornbear  +   1802d ago
Face it
the 360 to FFXIII is like the Nintendo 64 to FFVII

the link being,

like the cartridge was out dated by the CD, the DVD9 is out dated by the blu-ray

the difference here is, SE back then just bailed on the Nintendo 64 and hopped on with Sony

now, SE actually decided to go BACKWARDS in storage space technology, and restricted themselves

basically getting themselves into the exact mess they dodged about 12(?) years ago with FFVII

Hopefully the next FF will be a child of this problem, just like FFVII was ;)...*cough*remakeexclusive*co ugh*
N4Garbage  +   1801d ago
Wait lol...

So they cut out elements????

I swore it was actual GAME they said.

SE said nothing about elements, they said the game itself.

SE decided to make FF13 the way it is because they suck at developing and creating a good FF anymore.

If they wanted towns and non linear environments 1080p CGI should have been the first thing to scrap, NOT FU$KING gameplay.

FF13 was gimped in no way because of the 360 it's a THEORY AND MYTH created on this website that morons cling to.

If FF13 has over 6hours of CGI cutscenes that would equal about 5-6GBs of space on the 360. 3 discs....2GB of Movie on each that leaves 4.8GB of game data to be put on the disc 4.8X3=14.4-6.8(FF13 game data)=7.6GB.

Meaning 7.6GB is FREE on the 360 version also. WOW!! How can you not see the Xbox 360 hindered no one experience it was ALL SE.

Blu Ray and its read speed needs duped files so who knows how much of the ps3 version is duped for better seek times just like MGS4. The actual game minus dupes is close to 14GB....

The 10GB of space left on the Ps3 version couldn't have been used anyway so SE cut out content to "balance" the game not between platforms but for the GAME,so the content was cut because of the Ps3.

Isn't that weird how that works? I can take my own theory and just roll with it on N4G because it is a trend that so many follow.
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SuperStrokey1123  +   1801d ago
You are welcome to believe that but honestly it sounds pretty silly when you logically think it through. Stranger things have happened though and you are right... this is square we are talkign about.
thewhoopimen  +   1801d ago
@N4Garbage
here you go genius, read this article:

http://www.andriasang.com/e...

About anywhere from 5-8 gb of actual Game content (not CG) was culled for the final release of this game. So try to keep that argument up about your DVD9 being enough.

There's CG and Gamedata. If culling CG isn't gimping and culling Gamedata isn't, then what is gimping? Yes I'm jumping the gun here, but I don't want to hear stupid rebuttals. If this isn't gimping I don't know what is.
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SaberEdge  +   1801d ago
N4Garbage, you bring up a good point. Lost Odyssey has more actual game content than FFXIII and it is a 360 exclusive. That means that blaming the 360 for any perceived lack of content in FFXIII is completely illogical.

All signs point toward one conclusion: FFXIII is the way it is because that is the way Square wanted it to be.
AliTheBrit19  +   1802d ago
Wow........Wtf?
FiftyFourPointTwo  +   1802d ago
All thanks to a greedy company and an inferior console. -__-
el zorro  +   1801d ago
Who are you talking about? Sony and the ps3?
cervantes99  +   1802d ago
Mass Effect is only 6.8 GB ...
Mass Effect is a pretty big game, so I would not be worried about the 6.8GB size.
anh_duong  +   1802d ago
mass effect 2 comes on two disks..

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
cervantes99  +   1802d ago
I was referring to Mass Effect 1, but I should just be able to install ME2 to the 360 hard drive and never need to switch disks.

At least I hope I can do this.
Whitefox789  +   1802d ago
I don't know if you can do that. If you copy your 360 games to the HD don't you need to have a disc in the console to verify its a legit copy?
ThaGeNeCySt  +   1801d ago
that's not how 360 installation works. You install the full game into the DVD, but without the actual game being in the drive, it won't boot.
keysy420  +   1802d ago
so
really its a multiplat game there dumbed down to get as much story in as possible. without that the game would make no sense
Vip3r  +   1802d ago
So for the 360 owners:

1. Insert movie disk to watch intro cutscene
2. Insert game disk and play for a while
3. Insert movie disk again to watch another cutscene
4. Insert game again to continue on game
5. Repeat over and over until you end up with severe arthritis.

Sweet.
Whitefox789  +   1802d ago
The real upsetting part of it is to switching discs to back track to past areas.
webeblazing  +   1802d ago
no surprise here they game always have cgi good thats its 1080p imma get some use out of my tv now i want another parasite eve definitely cant wait for vs this will hold ne over tell then
Strikepackage Bravo  +   1802d ago
This
has nothing to do with DVD size, this is just how Japanese often make games. Just look at MGS4, it was mostly movie too.
Godmars290  +   1802d ago
It could be about DVD if the original planned game content size was 10GB. Even 8GB. That would mean there'd be nothing left movies or music.
jmare  +   1802d ago
Have you ever played MGS4? If you had you would know that that statement is untrue.
bjornbear  +   1802d ago
MGS4 has a lot of cut scenes
but it has even more gameplay

you'll want to replay the game thrice, but only watch the whole thing through once to get the story.

It isn't a good game without gameplay, and MGS4 is one of the iconic games this gen.

and that is a fact.
Guitardr85  +   1802d ago
So?!?! what's the point of this article?!?!
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