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Chaostar  +   398d ago
Microsoft lost me as customer completely when they announced their DRM policies back in May but, since the 180, the only thing stopping me from lining up on day 1 is the price.

I don't think it's fair to say "The Xbox One is a poorly planned, overpriced, ugly, and oversized device with inferior software..." since we've not really played any games yet.
NewMonday  +   398d ago
the price should be $350 for the much weaker XBone hardware
Godmars290  +   398d ago
Until we see what that hardware can to, compared to the PS4, your statement is just opinion.
thecoronor   398d ago | Spam
okmrman  +   398d ago
for a set a people who hate xbox one so much
its surprising how obsessed you are with it

you make ps fans look like little whiney kids
NewMonday  +   398d ago
@thecoronor

debunked FUD, confirmed PS4 games in development use 6G, and more RAM available in the future.

FUD is all the Xbone is doing these days and failing badly at it, just confirms MS are not to be trusted.

why would anyone overpay $500 for a lesser console with few 1st party studios and has #rd party games at lower frame rate, lower resolution and lower textures?

even the touted "multitasking" of the XBone is getting matched by the PS4's own features and superior social interface.

all the XBone has is a shoehorned spycam that people want to avoid because of the MS Prism spying program.
Tctczach  +   398d ago
@newmonday
Lol. You need to find a new hobby.
Rhinoceros  +   398d ago
Kinect is a 500 dollar piece of tech alone. X1 is probably a 400 dollar piece of tech. It's a value.
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MysticStrummer  +   398d ago
"Lol. You need to find a new hobby"

Translation : I have no valid response, so I'll type "lol" + a dismissive comment and declare it a win.

I guess the Belking Method is gaining popularity.
thetruthx1  +   398d ago
@newmonday you are aware that xbox one has more games confirmed at 1080p 60 fps right?

Forza, Halo 5, Killer Instinct all 60 fps

Driveclub, Killzone 30 fps

Hmmm
n4rc  +   398d ago
@newmonday

Funny how all the bs you continue to spread in every Xbox thread has been debunked.. Yet you just ignore the facts and keep trolling..

Microsoft has more games at higher frame rates.. So that one is just an out right lie

Superior social interface? Umm... What?

All you cling to are promises from Sony.. But everything Microsoft says is a lie.. You are the definition of hypocrisy
NewMonday  +   398d ago
@thetruthx1

BF4 is 60fps on PS4 so what is your point exactly?

and the Crew is 30fps but nobody complains

hmmm

give any game low graphics and it will do higher frame rates.
Forza with baked lighting and no weather, an epic fail considering dynamic environments and effects should be a standard next gen.

Killer Instinct looks like a current gen game

and lets look at the XBone exclusives that actully try to look good, like that stuttering 25fps on dead rising 3 and 30fps on the slow motion Ryse.

hmmm

@n4rc
sorry but even the lame Eurogamer PS4 and XBone comparison showed PS4 doing better frame rates, even with Richard ignoring the other PS4 spec advantages
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pyramidshead  +   398d ago
@Mystic
where is Mr. Belking these days? lol
Electric-flamingo  +   398d ago
Your comment was so well thought out !!!
Electric-flamingo  +   398d ago
You sound a lot like maria
trafalger  +   398d ago
"the price should be $350 for the much weaker XBone hardware"

why when the wii u is the same price? the original kinect was also over $100 and the new one is ten times better. bluray added a lot to the price of the ps3 and so will the new kinect on the xbone. sure not everyone wants kinect but not everyone wanted a bluray movie player either. yes some will argue bluray was needed for some games but they could have gotten around that by having them installed on the hard drive.

if the games that come out are good most people will forget about the early impressions. the price will be there biggest barrier and m$ will have to show why kinect has value just like how sony had to prove bluray had value.
NewMonday  +   398d ago
@trafalger
$350 after removing Kinect ofcorse

@Electric-flamingo

MS doubling down on the FUD is very offensive, just standing up to their campaign.
BattleTorn  +   398d ago
Newmonday has played on both systems!
NextGenGamer85   398d ago | Spam
NewMonday  +   397d ago
@NextGenGamer85
everything I say comes from facts or critical arguments, it's not like I go bad mouthing the members here.

if you have a comeback just say it, that's what we all are here for.
MWong  +   397d ago
@ thecoronor

If you think M$ made these changes because they are making these changes based on the consumers opinion you're kidding yourself. M$ is making changes based on their pre-orders. They are actively making changes to fix their PR.

I will wait to see what M$ does before I get an XBone. I still am a little fearful that they will change their minds and turn their DRM switch back on.
redwin  +   397d ago
The 360 was way weaker than the ps3 and MS still did very well, in fact MS does so well that SONY ends up abducting many ideas that at first it demonizes. Adam Adkins parents need to hug him more often, that guy has some anger issues. Lol... What an editorial ..
allformats  +   398d ago
They lost with with DRM, No Used Games, Mandatory Kinect, Arrogance and, finally they lost me with price.

The thing is $100 more expensive than PS4 and 50 percent weaker than PS4.

Yeah, Microsoft, you lost me.
thecoronor   398d ago | Spam
MariaHelFutura  +   398d ago
The Azure cloud.

Microsoft can't even power up their console w/o an external powerbrick or controllers w/o a battery pack or AA's, but let me guess.... their gonna power up the Xbox One 3x, 7x, 10x more w/ your internet connection.

Got it.
KUV1977  +   398d ago
Yeah, until not 7 but 300 years from now. Not sooner will a faster GPU show it's advantages on an architecture that is very close in design.

Also: '300k servers' and 'azure cloud' is one argument, not two. Plus SONY has a cloud. I don't think there is as much advantage as you might want. TV is cool for people who really want it. I stopped watching regular TV about 2 years ago, plus it's not gonna work as well in Europe anyway. DevKit is cool I guess, but I will not use the functionality so it is no plus for me as a gamer. It may mean that there are a gazillion terrible games coming out through which you might have to filter for hours until you find a real gem. That leaves Kinect and that too is highly subjective.

More/Better exclusives is a joke, right? If one can have learnt anything from this generation than it is that SONY has vastly more exclusives and better ones too. But again at least quality is subjective. The 'more'-argument is in my book void. Let's wait till after GamesCom and see what will be announced there - from both parties.

Ultimately I think the price is close to irrelevant as is the tech-advantage on SONYs side. If you like Halo and Gears, why would you buy a PlayStation? All that tech and price talk is meaningless. Choose your console based on the games you like and noone will be able to say your decision is wrong but stop trying to convince others that console A is better than console B. That goes for both parties. However if you MUST compare consoles admit where the other fraction has an advantage. So far I(!) only see a small advantage for tech on SONYs side and Kinect and TV integration on XBox side if one likes it. That's about it. The cloud thingy may be nice but we have yet to see REAL features for it.
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Rhinoceros  +   398d ago
@MariaHelFutura

http://graphics.cs.williams...

That has to be worth a couple hundred gflops of computing power and it's done off box.

Imagine if they could perform 500 gflops or more in the cloud reliably, between ai, non interactive physics, lighting, ect...

That's more than a 360's worth of power. Very impressive.
KUV1977  +   398d ago
Thanx, that's actually really impressive!
MariaHelFutura  +   398d ago
@Rhinoceros

The problem isn't what they can do server side, it's getting the data to your console w/o lagging.
slimeybrainboy  +   398d ago
It is poorly planned, ugly and oversized though.
pete007  +   398d ago
Just Like hundreds of psfanboys in here
slimeybrainboy  +   398d ago
@pete007

Poorly planned - Reversed almost every policy due to backlash from hardcore xbox fans, I think we can consider it poorly planned.

Ugly - It's a ginat rectangular box. Nothing interestinf about it and is regularly compared to a VCR. Ok maybe this is personal opinion, bu you're outvoted.

Oversized - Do I need a measuring tape to prove this one? Even has a power brick doesnt it. It's not even comparable in size to the PS4. More comparable to a gaming PC on it's side.

Also I was nice to leave off the other things that comment 1 had in it's post. These things are the general consensus amongst errbody!
Gildarts  +   398d ago
Both consoles are ugly but turning of my fanboy mode. I still think the Xbox One looks better then the PS4. It looks more like a modern device. And PS4 looks kinda like a PS2. Props to sony for fitting nextgen hardware into such a tiny box.

It makes my wonder why the Xbox One is so big,AND still have a power brick. It all sounds suspicious to me. Maybe the hardware is upgradeable?
creatchee  +   398d ago
@slimeybrainboy

Poorly planned - screamed incessantly about how much better having 7GB of available RAM was than 5GB of RAM. Then the amount of RAM was no longer important when a rumor put it at 4.5. Then it was important again when another rumor put it at 6.

Ugly - go out of their way to put down the Xbox One and anybody who chooses to buy it. Write off any potential positive difference or innovation on the One as PR talk. Repeatedly celebrate and bring up any bad news, whether fixed or not.

Oversized - I'll make no fat jokes here, but that's probably what pete007 was going for. Could also represent the ego of the lot who think that their hateful opinions will influence anybody other than those who already share them.
NextGenGamer85   398d ago | Spam
cleft5  +   398d ago
To be fair I think the recent developments are very positive for the Xbox One, but the DRM thing did make me completely go against them as a customer as well. Still I want the system to be nice for those who like it.
adorie  +   398d ago
[Off topic]
I'm seeing so many new Xbox fans register, many under a month. one I saw was merely a few hours ago.

It's interesting. I wonder if multiple accounts, returning accounts, or could it be people lurking, who just had to register and join in a heated discussion?

I feel a few sound familiar with their writing style, choice of words and handles. :D
Thomper  +   398d ago
I'm getting both, but was happy with MS announcements from day 1....

Then again, I'm 38 have a good income, don't trade games and like digital downloads...

I can see how it would have pissed some people off though. MS were a little ahead of time in their thinking.

At the end of the day, I would pay £1000 to play KI3 with the Madcatz fight stick....

Other than that, the other games that interest me are:-

- Titanfall
-Anything Halo related
- Destiny
-Infamous, second son
- Witcher 3
- Forza 5
- Deadrising 3
- Battlefield
- Kinect Sports... (Yes, yes I know it's not cool, but after a few sweet sherries with your chums, this and sing star are awesome)
- Crimson Dragon (a big fan of Panzer, so have high hopes this won't be shizzle)
- errr...I'm sure I've missed stuff... Help me out here!
Godmars290  +   398d ago
That's easy: remove Kinect. include it as a pack in but don't make it mandatory to use.
thecoronor   398d ago | Spam
JokesOnYou  +   398d ago
-X1 won't even work without Kinect, because of the way the hardware/software structure is designed.

"For starters, dumping mandatory Kinect after the example of Microsoft's recent online DRM U-turn may not be a practical possibility - Xbox One has literally been built for the sensor, and it's rather late in the day to go fiddling around at the level of the hardware itself."
http://www.oxm.co.uk/58866/...

More importantly I'm with you thecoronor, I don't want a ps4 called an Xbox One, if I did I just save myself $100 and get a ps4. What I want are new game gameplay experiences/options and the UI integration only Kinect offers. So its fortunate for me that Microsoft built X1 from the ground up with Kinect v2 in mind.
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DigitalRaptor  +   398d ago
Don't tell me it's not possible to press the power button to turn on the Xbox One.

Don't tell me it's not possible to use the Xbox One controller to navigate the menus and options.

The reasoning you're giving for why Kinect is required for the Xbox One to function is invalid. Microsoft haven't given you a solid straightforward answer. Probably because it's not an answer that most sane, balanced gamers would be happy to hear.

If your Kinect breaks, you can't use your system and you can't play its games that use the controller? What kind of excuse can you draw up to apologise for them if that happens? It's simply not logical.
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JokesOnYou  +   398d ago
"Don't tell me it's not possible to press the power button to turn on the Xbox One."

-Sure it is, but why did they make that possible in the first place since YOU COULD ALWAYS GET UP AND TURN OFF PREVIOUS CONSOLES BY PRESSING THE OFF BUTTON? It was not needed, it was just an added convenient feature that we are used to now....Its an option and when you consider Kinects voice control is also how you turn ON/OFF X1 and your TV when you walk in the room; that is a simple convenience= that's why tech evolves to give us greater convenience/more options.

"Don't tell me it's not possible to use the Xbox One controller to navigate the menus and options"

-Again why are you talking as if I said Kinect invented navigating a device, NO it enhances the experience of doing such, similar to how cell phones adopted touch screens, was it not possible before to dial a phone number with buttons? Sure it was but touchscreen was just a more intuitive way, then other intuitive advancements were built off the feature. Are you telling me simple voice commands like "xbox tv", "xbox game", etc to navigate back and forth quickly jumping from 1 completely different entertainment form to another is not a nice feature to have?

"The reasoning you're giving for why Kinect is required for the Xbox One to function is invalid."

-After the X1 reveal micro was asked directly if you could use X1 without Kinect and they said "Kinect does require to be connected to Xbox One in all cases, yes," http://www.destructoid.com/... the oxm article is THE explanation WHY, so its not reasoning I'm giving its the source, what inside info(link) do you have to say its "invalid"?...or is that just what you believe?

"Microsoft haven't given you a solid straightforward answer. Probably because it's not an answer that most sane, balanced gamers would be happy to hear."

-Why should they have to give you anymore than the official statements that they believe Kinect is an important part of their vision for X1?...No, they shouldn't anymore than Nintendo should have explain why Wii U GamePad Controller comes with their console, you can certainly play games with the more traditional controller Wii U Pro Controller available, and it would be cheaper, but why? when they have designed the entire interactive experience around their new device, like the original wii with wii remotes....that means they don't have to *prove to you they could do it WITHOUT, NO you are want it or you don't.

"If your Kinect breaks, you can't use your system and you can't play its games that use the controller? What kind of excuse can you draw up to apologise for them if that happens? It's simply not logical."

-I tell you what's NOT logical, your stupid excuse try to say it shouldn't be part of the X1's design. "What if", I mean what if anything breaks, "What if" the HDD is bad?, "What if" motherboard is bad?, "What if" the disc drive fails? "What if" the console has some type error? Just as would be the case with any other electronics the answer is simple if it breaks you are going to need to send it back for repairs, "What if", pfft that's weak and not a good reason for a electronics manufacturer NOT to pursue a platform vision.

btw its also a horrible way to downplay Kinect by taking 1 individual feature as if it exists in a vacuum and therefore not justified because like all devices its NOT 1 thing that sells it but the versatility/multitasking features that sell it as a WHOLE PACKAGE.
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aiBreeze  +   397d ago
"-I tell you what's NOT logical, your stupid excuse try to say it shouldn't be part of the X1's design. "What if", I mean what if anything breaks, "What if" the HDD is bad?, "What if" motherboard is bad?, "What if" the disc drive fails? "What if" the console has some type error? Just as would be the case with any other electronics the answer is simple if it breaks you are going to need to send it back for repairs, "What if", pfft that's weak and not a good reason for a electronics manufacturer NOT to pursue a platform vision. "

Wow just wow.. what if a vital hardware component breaks vs what if a peripheral breaks.. it's an apples and oranges argument. Kinect is NOT vital, no matter how you look at it, it's just a potentially well integrated peripheral, anything else is a flaw in Microsoft's design.. it's not even a part of the box but an external device.
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Lvl_up_gamer  +   397d ago
@ Digitalraptor

Your arguments are small minded, short sighted and just down right juvenile.

Why does common sense evade you so easily?
JokesOnYou  +   397d ago
aiBreeze, who died and put you in charge?

"Kinect is NOT vital, no matter how you look at it, it's just a potentially well integrated peripheral, anything else is a flaw in Microsoft's design.. it's not even a part of the box but an external device."

Who are you to say its NOT vital, I didn't R&D the X1/Kinect architecture, YOU DIDN'T, but Microsoft DID and they say it is a vital part of X1(read my above link)....aahh but YOU say now its a "well intergrated peripheral" or anything else is a flaw in design, lol so tell me genius what exactly have you R&D'd and produced for consumer purchase? Oh but you talk like you are the 2nd coming of Steve Jobs and its your mission to tell the world how all consumer products should be designed. Riiiight. Also whether its part of the box or not is semantics, Kinect is a "well integrated" piece of electronics and they both work in unison to deliver entertainment content, convenient features and gaming entertainment, just because its not housed inside the X1 does not reduce its importance if Microsoft built both from the ground up to work in conjunction with each other, they are not together because the X1's internals were custom built to maximize airflow and you can place the location of the camera in a variety of different setups depending on your entertainment setup, (tv, speakers, other devices). Read about the hardware for yourself, instead of jumping to conclusions, I could care less if you don't like the console/kinect but that doesn't make your belief facts.
http://www.wired.com/gadget...
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Rhinoceros  +   398d ago
New gameplay experiences only exist on the X1. People who think they have to WAVE their arms around don't understand how powerful the kinect is in regards to fidelity. You need only touch your temple to activate something like night vision goggles in a game. It's gonna be awesome!
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HowarthsNJ  +   398d ago
Make sure your temple is the only thing you touch while gaming. Kinect will be watching...and counting.

Maybe it will generate an anti-itch cream advert for you on the fly :-)
Gildarts  +   398d ago
Agreed.

People who think they should exclude kinect are fools.
NextGenGamer85   398d ago | Spam
sAVAge_bEaST  +   397d ago
Marketing, marketing, Marketing,. (your missing the point, the system was built around the kinect)

_JokesOnYou-

Wow , how are those M$ dollars?
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j-blaze  +   398d ago
be like PS4 with even better games..simple
from the beach  +   398d ago
The general perception of Xbox One seems to have changed quite a bit in the past couple of months following some aggressive policy changes.

Price is the final piece of the puzzle - although for me the package they're offering, including launch lineup, is worth the extra £80..
Gildarts  +   398d ago
Following don mattrick departing.
from the beach  +   398d ago
Hard not to link the two events!
S2Killinit  +   398d ago
they could apologize for trying to rip us off and take their spy capabilities out of kinect. Make a promise they wont try any of their schemes in the future.
Majin-vegeta  +   398d ago
Scrap the whole thing and start over.
xReDeMpTiOnx  +   398d ago
@thecorner

Ill just leave this here

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

I personally don't care about specs I just want to play good games on both consoles.

But this is for those saying this and that stuff
thetruthx1  +   398d ago
If more creators can make good use and find new fun, creative ways to implement Kinect 2.0 and make it the norm I see that as being a huge advantage for X1.

The lineup of games is impressive thus far

Once the consoles ship the negative press will turnaround
xReDeMpTiOnx  +   398d ago
But on terms of this article personally I believe one of the only ways they could make a positive impression would be to hold another Microsoft conference like the reveal and hope many people tune in and apologize to everyone and explain what they are doing to correct it.
iBlackyi  +   398d ago
Sooo many xbox fanboys here. I cant believe that people support this shit from Microsoft. Without Sony, we all would have DRM on next gen. And please stop argueing about the hardware of both systems. You are just normal gamers that think they know anything about hardware, but its fact that the ps4 is more powerful. If you want to discuss with something, than not about the hardware, because it is a fact. Its even "confirmed" from xbox 1 devs.

And before you dislike, watch this:

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Also everyone that thinks the cloud can do anything with the graphics is completely stupid. You cant calculate real time stuff in the cloud, because it needs time until its from the server to your console, this delay makes it nearly unpossible to increase the graphics in any point. The only thing you can calculate is stuff like AI.

Ps4 is the console to go for me, with an company that doesnt shit on their costumers. I dont care about specs normal at all, i have an xbox 360 and a ps3, but microsoft is just not belivable. So i hit two birds with one stone.

PS: Everyone that dislikes this without telling me the reason is ignorant. Thanks.
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LogicStomper  +   398d ago
"Ps4 is the console to go for me"

"the console to go for me"

"for me"

Yes you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT it's FOR YOU! But what of others? Did you not choose the PS4 out of preference? Is it not correct that you PREFER the PS4 over the Xbox One?

Then tell me, why must I conform to your views? Do I not have a right to choose what console I buy?

Look at what you're doing. You're criticizing how people support Xbox One, yet you are saying you support the PS4 because it's for YOU. This is just arrogance, it's already sad in itself with you trying to belittle my favoured console.

"You are just normal gamers that think they know anything about hardware, but its fact that the ps4 is more powerful."

Yeah, so i'm a normal gamer. So what? Am I supposed to care about which is more powerful? No. Do you even understand the basics of a gaming console? They're made for playing games and enjoying yourself. So why would I or anyone else give a damn on which is more powerful. If one makes us more happy why should we buy the other?

So there you go. THAT sir, is why I disagree.
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RytGear  +   398d ago
For all those saying that the Xbox has more and better exclusives, if history is anything to go by then I'm just gonna leave this right here... http://oi39.tinypic.com/991...
aiBreeze  +   398d ago
Lol, that's a pretty damning picture if I ever saw one. Still for me, 343/Microsoft announce that Halo is going to be more like 1-3 mp wise then I'd be more hyped for that than for all the ps3 exclusives coming to the ps4 put together.
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RytGear  +   398d ago
I get that, I mean I am so excited the new R&C game is more like the original. Everyone gets excited for different things!
pabadamus1  +   398d ago
The X1 has done a lot to redeem itself in my eyes. I am as agnostic as possible and most of the issues (except price) have been fixed. My first system this time around will be PS4 but I will be getting an X1 before next gen is concluded. I must commend MSFT on their quick response to what would have been absolute domination by Sony.
GraveLord  +   398d ago
Call it the PS4. Problem solved.
RiPPn  +   398d ago
The first impression of the Bone was not peoples first impression of Microsoft. Microsoft has been milking it's position this generation for several years. It was only the Bone reveal that brought everything to a head. Microsoft is going to need to change as a company before it can ever hope to change peoples opinion of the Bone.
JBSleek  +   398d ago
They can't do anything. The so called hardcore gamers if we call them that don't care.

If Xbox did everything people asked it to do then people would laugh and call it 180 and then say they shouldn't of did it in the first place.

I find many console gamers impractical, hypocritical and just extremely stuck in their ways.
SylviaHouston3   398d ago | Spam
RDF  +   398d ago
The only way I can see MS coming back from that total meltdown on May 21 (TV,Sports,COD.....Dog....) >.> is to include the one thing that can help.

A free coupon for 5lbs of free Bacon...Thats right..Bacon! Bacon goes good with everything. It has its own cookbook and even makes salad better. Yes,thats right..makes salad better! So listen up MS,do this and the XB1 will sell like bacon covered hotcakes. That folks is my opinion. (bows,exits stage left)
JohnS1313  +   398d ago
Are they going to give the Xbone away on top of that? I still wouldn't take one. No thanks.
RDF  +   398d ago
Yes,the system and 5lbs of mouth watering Bacon. Its the only way MS can go at this point. Lets just hope they see this thread and act quickly!!
RytGear  +   398d ago
Why can't this be a twitter campaign? I mean screw #XboxOneNoDRM, I want #XBOneW/Bacon.
They could even get Kevin Bacon for the ads!!
RDF  +   398d ago
You sir are a genius!! A Kevin Bacon ad powered by bacon itself!! O.O The XB1 would be unstopable!!!!!
LogicStomper  +   398d ago
Some people take jokes too seriously... *hint* *hint*

That aside, you should get a bubble for trying to defuse the ticking fan-bomb.
Wackaflocka2013  +   398d ago
Xbox one, day one, for fun, until I'm done.
Supermax  +   398d ago
What kind of dope are you smoking the x1 and ps4 will be selling very close to the same number of units from here onto the end of the next gen.
ginsunuva  +   398d ago
MS lost me as a customer with the Xbox 360.

Such terrible business practices, no experience with games, just throwing around $$$ to secure exclusive content, and catering to casuals.

Just a bunch of greedy business majors trying to cut a slice of the gaming market for easy money.
MadMen  +   398d ago
Easy, Drop the Price to 399.
susanto1228  +   397d ago
Sony Fanboys your doing an awesome job of complaining about a console you won't even get.....

Keep it up I'm reaping all the rewards!!!
urwifeminder  +   397d ago
No need to change they actually have games people will play.

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