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US8F  +   958d ago
“The Xbox One is a powerful platform, as of now we do not foresee a major difference in on screen result between the PS4 and the Xbox One. Obviously since we are still working on pushing the game on these new consoles, we are still doing R&D.

“This said, the platforms have some specificities that we are leveraging. For example, we are making use of the touchpad on the DualShock 4."
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Insomnia_84  +   958d ago | Well said
He actually never answered the question. It's going to be the same with the One and PS4 again. All multiplatforms will look the same on both consoles and it has nothing to do with developers not wanting to make the PS4 version better but Microsoft not allowing it. It's already known that MS won't let any game to be released on their platform if it's far superior on the the other console, they must be the same.
Mystogan  +   958d ago | Well said
mediate-this  +   958d ago
you know this how? facts and links and please be credible
adorie  +   958d ago | Well said
MS trying to hold back greatness. Good for them, because once the first party games boot 3rd parties, visually, into another galaxy, they will have no choice but to step it up or be made to look like greedy fools.

I understand you need to spend money to make money, that's fine, but MS takes this to another level.

Also, on a side note, what is up with the cheering of these practices?
MS fanboys LOVE IT when MS spends billions trying to stifle the competition. Why? You really want Sony out of the hardware game?

That's an honest to goodness question I have for the die-hard fanboys who defend MS no matter what they do. Positive or negative.

MS could have built so many studios with their cash and culled enough talent to give the Sony first parties a run for their money, but instead they destroy or help destroy the rep of 3rd parties by buying them out.

Politics, I guess?
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joefrost00  +   958d ago | Well said
Dude how much is sony paying you
Insomnia_84  +   958d ago | Well said
There it is. It's in Microsoft's content policy.

@all my disagrees

Now what?
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Sony360  +   958d ago
Getting the excuses in early I see.
The_Con-Sept  +   957d ago
(W) Insomnia 84I agree. Microsoft is making it hard for me to trust anything American made. My car is an import. My tv is an import. Shit my furniture is an import.... The only thing American about my stuff is that it was sold by an American.

I haven't supported the Xbox ever. I knew too much about them to back their gaming sector. If they didn't have such a good desktop operating system I'd switch to another much better one in a heart beat.

As for Ubisoft... I think they should be the first company to rebel against such tyranny.

It would be revolutionary. But of course no one has any courage in this industry. Except for the guy that said 8GB of ram or you are dead in the water."

Why can't people stand up anymore?
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GameCents  +   957d ago
Typical Gokiburi comment about xbox holding back teh powers of teh ps4.
abzdine  +   957d ago
the article's title should have been this instead:

"Ubisoft DOESN'T Explain The Difference Between PS4 And Xbox One Versions of Watch_Dogs"
loulou  +   957d ago
"Titles for Xbox 360 must ship at least simultaneously with other video game platform, and must have at least feature and content parity on-disc with the other video game platform versions in all regions where the title is available. If these conditions are not met, Microsoft reserves the right to not allow the content to be released on Xbox 360."

seems more like content to me. and also put in place to combat what happened in the ps2/xbox era. where games like gta where timed exclusive to sony, and really helped the ps2 alot.

where on the original xbox, which had a much bigger power difference with the ps2, than the ps3/360, the games on the xbox were in a different league.
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Mr_Nuts  +   957d ago
I don't see why people are disagreeing, that's MS policy for third party devs

That extra 2GB of RAM Sony has....third party devs won't even touch it and it's kind of sad.

GTA6, ES6, Fallout 4, FFXV, Kingdom Hearts 3 etc

No one will hardly use it except for first party developers which is sad because devs complain about wanting more RAM, they finally have more with the PS4 and they won't use it
guitarded77  +   957d ago
Here's the source... see pic.

I know, he provided a source. But I've been waiting to use this image again for months. So, here it is.

3rd party has the power to tell MS F-U. If MS wants their games, they can #dealwithit.

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dredgewalker  +   957d ago
The logical answer why Ubi would release equal versions of their game on both platforms is because they want to cater to both. Making a superior version on another console would surely hurt their sales. A good businessman knows how to satisfy 2 different customers.
starchild  +   957d ago

You Playstation guys always say that, but it doesn't hold water.

First of all, lots of games do in fact look better on the PS3, so how are those games exempt from this supposed policy?

Second, most multi plats show clear differences and optimizations specific to each console. To those with technical knowledge this is clear evidence that developers are in fact working to best take advantage of each console's strengths.

You guys want to believe this so bad because you just can't accept that the PS3 and Xbox 360 are very close in power or that the 360 does indeed have advantages in some ways. Multiplatform games often looked better on the 360 because it has a more powerful gpu and unified memory architecture, and that it was easier to develop for, not because Microsoft pays developers to make them that way, or any other bullsh!t conspiracy theory.

PS4 is plainly more powerful than Xbox One and we WILL see this reflected in multiplatform games. Mark my words.
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nypifisel  +   957d ago
No third party developer will praise one console over the other. These are cross gen games, in a year or two I'm confident there will be a noticeable difference between the two consoles.
starchild  +   957d ago
Also, your link doesn't say anything about about MS requiring devs to make PS3 games inferior or 360 games look at least as good. It wasn't about visuals or performance at all.

All the policy refers to is the fact games can't, for example, launch on July 12th on PS3 and July 29th on the 360. Furthermore, they said they reserve the "right" to not allow such games on their console, but that doesn't mean that they will exercise that right. After all, we saw plenty of games with exclusive content on the PS3.
YNWA96  +   957d ago
They not paying, hes willfully oral....
AlphaJunk  +   957d ago
Where does it say anything about graphics fidelity Parity?? -->
Microsoft's Content Submission and Release Policy states:

"Titles for Xbox 360 must ship at least simultaneously with other video game platform, and must have at least feature and content parity on-disc with the other video game platform versions in all regions where the title is available. If these conditions are not met, Microsoft reserves the right to not allow the content to be released on Xbox 360."

Read more at http://www.escapistmagazine...
Manic2014  +   957d ago
Wouldn't that be the same with Sony of not allowing one game to be superior in one system and weaker on the other.
esemce  +   957d ago
Also if a downloadable game has been on another platform first then Microsoft will not allow it to be on their console.
miyamoto  +   957d ago
Spot on!

That crap politics and DVD 9 really held back the industry in 7th gen

This is why the PS4 is created to be leaps and bounds over the XBone

No more subtle or minor differences this time around.

M$ fell for the 4GB RAM trap Sony has laid and there is no way out of it. Its too late.

As if the Ps4 is cleverly designed to defeat every move M$ will make with XBone platform.

PS4 will leave XPosed One in the dust.

PS4 Super Saiyan 4 > XBone Level 1
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   957d ago
I knew 3rd party games would look close to the same for the first couple years of this new generation.
condemmedman  +   957d ago
you sir are just talking rubbish you have no proof and I will wait and see what both systems offer. Stop talking crap.
THC CELL  +   957d ago
better really, why dose the ps version have a extra hour of gameplay.
Consoldtobots  +   957d ago
We all know what the genesis of this since it was revealed what MS demanded of Rockstar in exchange for the $50 million bribe to get GTA4 on the 360.
The precedent is THERE for MS dirty tactics, the question in my mind is : I would have legally ruined MS for anti-competitive practices, violation of the Rico statute(with a good lawyer you could make this fly) and whatever else I could throw at them. Sony really is the nerdy kid who won't stoop to such levels I guess.
strifeblade  +   957d ago
I love microsoft- they are only here to protect their consumers- this way all that power on ps4 will never come to fruition on multiplats.

So "A 50% increase in raw shader performance, 2x the fillrate and 8x the compute queue granularity, plus a faster and simpler ram configuration" it all doesnt even matter because multiplats will look the SAME.


Man am i evil or what? microsoft protects their gamers and screwed sony gamers over. Looks like all that power will only ever show in sony first party exclusives. Well atleast msoft has cloud for first party exclusives- should defenetly make up for something lol.

In all honesty good msoft policy- protects the interest of its consumer base.

Benchm4rk  +   957d ago
Doesnt say anything about graphics. It talks about content and feature parity. Nothing about quality parity.
Nafon  +   957d ago
didn't bungie say destiny would look different between platforms?
solidt12  +   957d ago
He is right. it is part of the certification process.
gedapeleda  +   957d ago

If you read that policy it says that games need to be equal content and feature wise. Which doesn't mean graphics. People you should stop looking for bullshit excuses.
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Gamer1982  +   957d ago
@insomnia_84 thats bullcrap did you see FF13 last gen the ps3 version blew the 360 version out he water even after MS gave S-E money to port it to the 360 AND advertised the crap out of it.
mysterym  +   957d ago
Jesus kid, just stick to wearing a tin foil hat.
hesido  +   957d ago
"Titles for Xbox 360 must ship at least simultaneously with other video game platform, and must have at least feature and content parity on-disc with the other video game platform versions in all regions where the title is available. If these conditions are not met, Microsoft reserves the right to not allow the content to be released on Xbox 360."

Feature and content parity meaning they risk release on Xbox360 if they put additional stuff on Bluray on multiplatforms.
caliman87  +   957d ago
Not necessarily true
final fantasy and battlefield says hi
DrJones  +   957d ago
What utter rubbish.
malokevi  +   957d ago
What a misleading title. The article isn't about the difference between XboxOne and PS4 at all. And, when it is, the answer is essentially "they are the same".

Garbage journalism with blatant spin. Fantastic, fits right in here at N4g.
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JsonHenry  +   957d ago
MS not allowing it? No no no. Im no fan of MS right now but the devs are the ones being lazy and (or smart with their money, however you want to look at it) and not spending the extra time making the games look the best they can on each platform.
Thomaticus  +   957d ago
Its common knowledge... as a m it matter of fact MS policy has something to do with Sony's similar policy which is why a game that was exclusive on Xbox has to be released as a special edition with some additional content.

It hard to pinpoint a source, but this stuff has been mentioned before. Come on guys keep up with your readings!
_QQ_  +   957d ago
@Adorie PC Third party games are going to look the best, so what you are saying is just get a PC?, that way you can play third party games without the restrictions of xboxone/PS4.
titletownrelo  +   957d ago
Microsoft, Why do you deny us GREATNESS?
It accomplishes NOTHING.

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Mystogan  +   958d ago
So there you have it. You're not going to see any difference in graphics.
torchic  +   958d ago
So there you have it. I sincerely hope that we're not going to see any difference in graphics, even though PS4 is much more powerful with better dev tools.

SilentNegotiator  +   958d ago
Uh, actually he ultimately said it's too early to tell.

"we are still doing R&D"

"not foresee" =/= 'There won't be'

But keep spreading those pro-Xbox lies. Maybe you'll misinform enough people for the Xbox's problems to all just blow away in the wind.
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PFFT  +   957d ago
Better developer tools really. Well thats a first.
And good luck with that. Cause Sony cant code for shit. Which is why most often than not their patches and whatnot brick systems.
Gamer1982  +   957d ago
He didn't say that he said the PS4 is like a powerful PC basically then went on to say the Xbox One is pretty powerful too didn't compare it but in reality he avoided the question.
DeFFeR  +   958d ago
Similar to this gen, we probably won't see EXTREME graphical differences between the two consoles for third party games. Where the consoles will shine will definitely be exclusives where they have only one platform to focus on.

The edge will almost guaranteed be for the PS4 just based on the specs we've seen so far.

That said - it's still a large unknown how the XBOne cloud will play a role in the development of games and the impact it will have on graphics. If the cloud can take some of the load off of the on-system processing, there might be room to match the output the PS4 has.

Time will tell. I'll get both systems eventually, but the PS4 has my money this fall based on customer loyalty alone. The only thing MS has me hooked on is Halo and Forza - neither of which are worth spending $500 + games to play. Get some of those exclusives out (Quantum Break looks like a decent game, along with Sunset Overdrive) and make it worth the purchase. The fact it doesn't launch with a Halo title will probably cause the sales to stagger off the bat.
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frelyler  +   958d ago | Well said
Cloud computing cannot make fidelity better based on the current infrastructure for internet service in the US. There is far too much lag, no amount of servers MS or Sony puts up is going to change that. The cloud will be used for small background things that lag would not impede. People thinking the graphics will be somehow better are dreaming, it's just a fact that with current technology improving fidelity will not work to the extent people believe it will. It is too variable and too many things come into play depending on the time of day and how many people are using their ISP at any given time. Besides if you look at the wording MS used they said in the future the cloud will enable improvements. They never specified when this will be and would you honestly pick a system that will not have a feature for a few years or ever, over one that can best it now? The way MS worded it they are not lying, but I'm not paying more for an ambiguous promise.
SilentNegotiator  +   958d ago
7th gen didn't have a 50% graphical power difference.

"PlayStation 4's 18 CU graphics core has 50 per cent more raw power than the GPU in the new Microsoft console"

It would be pathetic if Ps4 versions did NOT at least have higher framerates.
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adorie  +   957d ago
Rumors are going around that Sony's PS4 tool set is more mature, robust than Microsoft's Xbox One's. It could be the difference in time spent developing these systems.
PS4 = since around 2007 or 2008
Xbox One = Late 2010

That said, up there, If this holds true, then I would expect a noticeable difference in fidelity out the gate.

I guess it's not even a rumor:
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hazardman  +   957d ago

You say this about the cloud. Yet you have developers saying it can be used for ai, real world dynamics and so on. Yes it may not enhance graphics but all other aspects of gameplay. Just yesterday on this very site i heard audio on what the xbl cloud can do. Go listen to it so you get a better understanding.
JsonHenry  +   957d ago
Based on the specs I've seen posted and what I know from being a PC gamer/rig builder for almost 2 decades the PS4 has an edge for sure. The faster RAM and 4 extra GCN cores on the GPU should make a small (but noticeable!!!) difference if the game devs were to push both games to their max. If you look at the in game screenshots from the games announced the reason they look so good isn't really the poly count though. It is the fact they have so many gigs of RAM and the consoles will FINALLY be able to run high resolution textures. That alone makes such a huge difference in visual fidelity. You could take older games and throw on high rez textures and it would look just as good as some of the gameplay vids we have seen so far.
ThyPizzaGod  +   958d ago
Differences or not, i'll still play this game until my glasses rust and eyes burn out.
quenomamen  +   957d ago
“The Xbox One is a powerful platform, as of now we do not foresee a major difference in on screen result between the PS4 and the Xbox One. Obviously since we are still working on pushing the game on these new consoles, we are still doing R&D."

Translation, we dont want get on MS bad side so well make sure the PS4 version of all our games are equal to the X1 versions, regardless of any advantages the PS4 hardware might have.
Groo  +   957d ago
Well said
dcbronco  +   957d ago
Your translation missed the point he was making. He was asked what the differences would be for the Xbox One version. He was speaking specifically to the Xbox One. The R & D part would imply they are doing more work on understanding One and has nothing to do with the PS4. If anything I would read that to mean they want to experiment and see what the cloud offers. Or Kinect. It doesn't mean they won't push the PS4 as far as it can go.
pete007  +   957d ago
tell us, what advantages are you speaking of? GDDR5? is that? it could have had 16, it wouldnt make any difference, a crap cpu and a mid range gpu wont process all 8 gb of data at a decent rate, cpu/gpu will bottleneck for sure, anyone with a brain knows it, the only advantage is in open worlds, perhaps less pop ups due to faster streaming than harddisk access/decompression ratio, apart that all flat dude
Sitdown  +   957d ago
Similar in power, but Sony's entry price is lower, while Microsoft is pushing more nongaming features.....
CrossingEden  +   957d ago
and suddenly touch controls are A ok right fanboys? -_-
SpinalRemains138  +   957d ago
When they're not the sole method of input, then sure.

Vita kicks ass. Tablet not so much.

I don't see the touchpad being this all empowering thing at all. Just an add on that you will or will nor use. You're not forced to use only touch.

I actually think the ability to push it in and have another button is a bigger deal than the touchpad itself. What will they call it? T and T1?

Nice try though!
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kewlkat007  +   957d ago
"but Microsoft not allowing it."

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nosferatuzodd  +   957d ago
well we all know how crook·ed Microsoft are
they are more crooked than a snake with Scoliosis
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YNWA96  +   957d ago
Funny whenever somebody says something not bad about X1, someone here always say's 'but he did not answer the question' , Shut up...
Triforce079  +   957d ago
He's basically saying all 3 nextgen platforms will be the same.
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   958d ago
No excuses this time guys.We're not talking about a difference of 512mb split ram vs unified ram.

I should see clear advantages in every PS4 multiplat this go around.Not like i expect them to come out and say as much, since that would be stupid, business wise.
Blackdeath_663  +   958d ago
only a matter of time i doubt any major developer will come out and make hardware comparisons between the two so early in the consoles life cycle let alone before the consoles are even released. unless ofcourse you chose to take jonathon blow seriously. its pretty obvious the ps4 has the better specs how much of a difference that would translate to in an actual game mid lifecycle of both consoles like i said only time will tell
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Ezz2013  +   958d ago
and this is why gaming is going down not up
they get paid from both sony and MS on those games...they should earn that money

when a system have clear advantages and very easy to program too
3d party dev's should work on it first and take a full advantage of it
and then port their games to the other system and see what hold up and what need to get downgraded in gfx

that's logic

but no 3rd party dev will ever come out and admit the advantages even with the offical specs are out
so they won't lose the money they get
sway_z  +   958d ago
@Blackdeath (not aimed at you, unless you're guilty), but....

Why wouldn't Jonathan Blow be taken seriously??

Almost everyone on N4G is an expert programmer, with about 20 years experience, and has intricate knowledge of unreleased hardware capability.

Some of you people are seriously delusional, shut up already, quit acting like you know this business, you're just an end user...don't talk out of your depth, know your place.

PS4 is 50% more powerful than X1, how many developers do you need to confirm this??

Rant over! :)
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Gamingisfornerds  +   958d ago
I think you won't see much differences between the two consoles in multi-platform games.

3rd party devs like Ubisoft have built their engine around all next-gen systems. If the PS4 really is all that more powerful, you won't see it in 3rd party games. Perhaps some better performance and things like AA. Which is nice in itself, but it won't make for a totally different experience.

1st party devs that build their next-gen engine around the PS4 (and Xbone to lesser extent) will make the most of the systems. Even though their architecture is similar, they're not quite the same and those subtle differences will be enough to hold back multiplats as they'll have a more generic approach in terms of development.

Also, -especially- at the beginning of next-gen you'll see a lot of games looking subpar due to 'lazy code' where devs can get a decent looking game relatively easy with just 'raw power' without having to work hard on any real optimization.

So, I think the differences between the Xbone and PS4 will be similar to current gen, but with PS4 exclusives taking it just a step further than it has been this gen.
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dcbronco  +   957d ago
sway_z common sense is why you don't trust Johnathan Blow. He has a beef with MS. Would you want a neighbor of yours as the sole witness to a crime you are wrongfully accused of. Of, course not. It's no different than not accepting things at face value when they come from the company pushing the idea. Honesty in business is rare.
GDDR6_2014  +   958d ago
Why would a multi plat developer spend much time to make a game look better on one platform? They don't care which platform you buy the game for
ABizzel1  +   958d ago
How are they "spend much time". These consoles are again practically 90% gaming PC's, and as with any gaming PC the game scales to the specs. you want. I seriously doubt any developer who are also releasing their games on PC, are doing any kind of programming to take advantage of the console hardware when they can simply port the PC version over.

Most of the Pc developers who are porting their games over to PS4 didn't get dev kits until after the PS4 reveal, and their games were up and running (not 100% mind you) at E3 less than 4 months later, and they expect them to be complete by launch probably November (9 months from the PS4 reveal).

That being said current PC games scale to the hardware, and by all means with the PS4 being more powerful the games should scale to represent that. Now it's not going to be a night and day difference, however, PS4 versions of games should have better framerates through the entire game, or a higher resolution (PS4 1080p vs. X1 720p/900p). And that's through basic hardware scaling / game options that EVERY PC is capable of.
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   958d ago
It's not about "much time" it's about not cutting things out or lowering the bar to accommodate the weaker console.

That doesn't take much work at all.
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MazzingerZ  +   958d ago
They might not do it in the beginning since there's not competition but after the PS4 exclusives start releasing they must to in order to compete for sales on that platform (PS4), there are som publishers and devs that always want to deliver the best game possibles and those will start it and others will follow as no one want to deliver a multiplatform that is inferior to other multiplatform games on the same's just a matter of time.

And if the pre-orders' tendency turns to be true, the PS4 will have a bigger installbase than why they wouldn't deliver a better experience on the platform that will make them more profit?

On the X1 people would buy it anyway as they don't have another option, that talk about dozens of exclusives we know is just BS, within 2 years MSFT will be back to what they love :XBLG money and multiplatform games.
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thecurseddevil  +   957d ago
not replying about this comment

but could you be a little more specific on the specs of your 700-800$ pc which will produce similar graphics to ps4
(actual performance,not theoretical.)
vikingland1  +   958d ago
I think Sony exclusives will benefit most from the power in the PS4.
Triforce079  +   957d ago
All 3 nextgen consoles will display their extra power on 1st party games or exclusives like Beyonetta2 or X ect even Sonic lost worlds looks quite special.
A-laughing-horse  +   958d ago
You are probably the worst on this whole entire website.
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   958d ago
I dunno man.I think this guy is trying for the record.
imt558  +   958d ago
Just relax, man. Wait for 2014.:) F*** the launch titles.:)
quenomamen  +   957d ago
Lol, PS4 could literally have 2x the power of the X1, Ass kissing devs would still make sure the games looked and played the same. They know who writes the checks.
Lucas25  +   958d ago
Maybe we will see better performance on ps4 titles than graphics.
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RememberThe357  +   958d ago
Yeah, I don't think people are understanding the difference.
FamilyGuy  +   958d ago
Yeah something like farther reaching draw distances and more characters on the screen at once in the PS4 version. I really doubt it will have something like a higher res or better framerate though.

Who knows, I just hope there IS difference to at least prove that they aren't forcing them to be similar based on the least common denominator. The month right before launch is going to be hectic with game review comparisons.
nypifisel  +   957d ago
Mostly this yes. People doesn't seem to understand that with the more or less identical architecture there won't be much more work than flipping a switch to get games to look better on the PS4. The devs won't really have to go the extra mile to make the PS4 versions look better, so why wouldn't there be an incentive to just flip that switch? Better performance Sony will get for free.
Rowdius_Maximus  +   958d ago
MontyQ  +   958d ago
PC>4>U>1 lol
Rowdius_Maximus  +   958d ago
Sounds about right Monty

And dirty console peasants disagreeing with me, clearly they do not know the glory of PC Gaming Master Race
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   958d ago
Shouldn't you be signing petitions for console ports?
thecurseddevil  +   958d ago
yeah right,have fun building a 1000$ pc if you want to have equivalent gaming experience(in terms of graphics) of ps4 .
Rowdius_Maximus  +   958d ago
In my opinion the pros outweigh the cons.

And here is a demonstration of our superiority:

And I am getting and playing a PS4 but the PC is still superior.

* A console game will never be able to match a computer for precision and movement when it comes to first-person shooters. A mouse and keyboard always trump a game console's joypad.
* The PC version of a game will generally look better than the same game on a console. It's a fact. Take a console version and PC versions of the same game and in some cases the graphical differences will be as stark as night and day. A high-end gaming computer has a graphics card with a powerful chipset that gives crisper and more detailed graphics and higher screen resolutions. Some games, such as recently released Batman Arkham Asylum, make the most of a special physics chipset from nVidia that makes cloth and smoke act more realistically.
* A lot of online games for a PC are free for players to play. There are a lot of PC games for which you have to pay a monthly subscription fee, such as World of Warcraft, but for the most part, a huge number of PC games are free to play.
* A lot of PC games have their own level-making software that let users make their own levels or modifications and share them with a game's online community. Very few console games give gamers that much freedom.
GDDR6_2014  +   958d ago
More like $700-800, and add the cost of $50 a year to play online on ps4
SmokingMonkey  +   958d ago
obviously flame bait but i'll bite.

You can't be gaming master race if you can't play The Last of Us.
Rowdius_Maximus  +   958d ago
I already beat TLOU, I own a PS3 and a PC, and have a PS4 preordered. But the PC will always have the ability to be superior as they are easily upgradable.

Edit: @SmokingMankey that is doubtful, but that's why I will have a PS4 also.
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SmokingMonkey  +   958d ago
But it will never have Naughty Dog will they?
GDDR6_2014  +   958d ago
Gaikai is coming to pc, so yes TLOU and all Sony exclusives will be on pc and tablets
SpinalRemains138  +   957d ago
lol. He plays with a mouse, bro. He thinks that makes him the man.

In reality it makes him a noob with a crutch and he doesn't get the satisfaction of learning how to actually game with a controller.

Leave him be. He's the master.
nypifisel  +   957d ago

That's just silly. How is a more precise control method a crutch? Wouldn't that just mean that the controllers actually are handicapped more so?
MRMagoo123  +   957d ago

A more precise control method ??? I fix pcs for a living and know pretty much all the ins and outs of them but try playing a fighting game with only a mouse ...or a mouse at all lol. I play games on pc and ps3 and i feel that covers all the bases im not against pc at all but mouse is not better at all, most ppl that play games on pc prefer to use a usb input controller whether it is a sony style one or an xbox style one, except for maybe shooters then yeh mouse wins usually.
thecurseddevil  +   957d ago
"The PC version of a game will generally look better than the same game on a console. It's a fact. Take a console version and PC versions of the same game and in some cases the graphical differences will be as stark as night and day"

yeah generally pc games have more detail than console versions.but can you give me a game in which the diff is actually stark as night and day?

about the console vs pc graphics.
i think this pattern usually follows:

console year 0-2 very high to ultra
console year 2-3 high to very high
console year 3-5 medium
after that low-mid

this pattern was for most games,of coarse crysis is not one of those games.

but the point to notice is the value that one gets while purchasing their gaming platform.

can you show me a game as good looking as the last of us running on a 2006/7 pc(even a 1000$ one)?

not everyone likes spending 500$ each 2 years.

back in 2009 no title on pc even touched the graphical fidelity of uncharted 2.

you may say crysis 1 but even that game without mods didnt touch uncharted 2.
wishingW3L  +   957d ago
When the X360 came out it was even superior to most of the best PCs at the time but in recent years the PC hardware pulled ahead by a very large margin that consoles will never be able to reach.
nypifisel  +   957d ago
500MB of RAM was pathetic even back in 05 @wishingW3L, tri-core CPU was okey though.
Prcko  +   958d ago
ps4 with 50% more power should have better graphics and preformance,but i know developers won't use this advantage(only exclusive ps4 games)
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SpitFireAce85  +   958d ago
Right on..but at least we wont have to listen to devs complain how the PS4 is hard to develop for.Like they
said when the PS3 came out.
imt558  +   958d ago
Yes, it will. But it's a launch title for XO and PS4. god damn. There will be no difference in a start. Wait and you will see.
C-Thunder  +   958d ago
I'm expecting to see some difference in performance. I'm sure DF can't wait to make the comparison of the multiplat titles.
thedon8982z  +   957d ago
I suspect in the beginning there will be some differences in performance on multiplats(an if we are lucky higher resolutions)but after about 2 years when sony exclusives start hitting and the xb1 gpu/ram start being maxed things are going to really change!!! Thats when developers are going to start to really exploit ps4 horsepower and looking for ways to port it down to xb1!!!!
Gameratheart  +   957d ago
For all we know, x1 is the lead platform, like the 360 almost always was, if that is the case, games will always look basically identical.
imt558  +   957d ago

Give me the link then. PS4 devkits for developers is more simple than XO devkits.
imt558  +   957d ago
I didn't hear from any 3rd party or indie developers for saying that XO is so friendly for developing after XO reveal at May 21st. PS4 is different story.:)
Hercules189  +   958d ago
It really isnt 50% more powerful like you say it is, there are lots of factors that can boost the power of the xbox one like using the sram with ddr3, and maybe the "potential" power of the cloud. so the biggest difference might be 10% or less, I dont really know but neither does anybody on this site
TheGrimReaper  +   958d ago
50% advantage is just related to the GPU
RAM (type & available amount for games) isn't even a part of the +50% ...
C-Thunder  +   958d ago
The 50 percent is just the GPU. It has nothing to do with the cloud or the ram.

*Grim beat me to it lol
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FragMnTagM  +   958d ago
First off the GPU's have about a 40% difference, not 50. Even then it is pretty negligible.

I upgraded my graphics card from a 560ti, which is the equivalent of the 7790 in the One, to a 660ti which is on par with the 7870 of the PS4, and the jump is negligible at best.

I manage to get a few more FPS, and can move a few more sliders in TOP END PC games. There is still nothing on the market that the 560ti cannot handle. It can run Crysis 3 on mid to low settings and that game takes a lot to run. My 660ti runs Crysis 3 on mid to high settings with some FPS dumps in certain areas.

The point I am trying to make is that people on this site are making it seem as if though the PS4 is absolutely going to destroy the XBOX One in graphics, when in reality, it will look slightly better on certain games (first party.)

I am getting a PS4 first by the way, so don't slam me for being a fanboy. I like to play games regardless of the system they are on.

I am just trying to keep conversations about the games instead of who's hardware is ever so slightly "better."
tuglu_pati  +   958d ago
I've been saying the same thing. But here in N4G its blasphemy
GDDR6_2014  +   958d ago
So true, "upgrading" a 7770 to 7850 on pc (a 1.2 tflops gpu to a 1.8 tflops gpu) you get slightly better frame rate, drawing distance and AA, but that's all, unless you look at them side by side it's hard to even tell a difference
Hercules189  +   957d ago
The way i see it is like comparing a car that has a 500hp engine compared to a different car that has a 700 hp engine. Is the 700 hp going to be nearly 50% more faster, It all depends on what else is in the car.
thecurseddevil  +   957d ago
you are right but you shoudnt expect any intelligence from Teh InTERnEt.(a piece of advice.)
moparful99  +   957d ago
If this were truly the case then why is it that the PS3 exclusives easily bested the 360? Especially since the 360 had the better gpu with a unified structure yet they both had 512mb ram?
Hercules189  +   957d ago
why does everyone make it out like the ps3 games graphics are night and day better than the 360 graphics, dont you know that halo 4 won best graphics in 2012. The 360 had far better hardware,but it didnt stop sony, so why should it stop microsoft with One.
swerve121  +   957d ago
I must agree on this 100 %
Belking  +   958d ago
Not a lot of differences will be seen. This I already knew.
Scrumptious  +   958d ago
framerate and loading speed?
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AznGaara  +   958d ago
This. Framerate "should" be a solid 60fps
PFFT  +   957d ago
Pretty much.
admj83  +   958d ago
what R&D means?
AznGaara  +   958d ago
Research and development
OSIRUSSS  +   958d ago
What I get from this is Developers are lazy! Long live Game stop! I will buy WD used if the ps4 version isn't noticeably better! That's how I slap Lazy developers and GS is my weapon of choice!
FragMnTagM  +   958d ago
Please see my comment above, you make no sense whatsoever.
OSIRUSSS  +   958d ago
I stand by what I said! The PS4 will have the larger install base. Ps4 owners should leverage that power! If multiplats look the same,buy used. Maybe the lazy developers will get a hint.....Nah they won't! This Gen I will only support developers that justify buying my console of choice!
SpinalRemains138  +   957d ago
Or you could just rent and save yourself thousands every year and not worry about hurting anyone.
MASTER_RAIDEN  +   958d ago
i know its a hard pill to swallow considering how technically supirior the ps4 is over the xbox one, but i dont think its safe to expect any differences between launch title multiplats. this early in the game, multiplat companies are just trying to get their launch products out there. not necessarily looking to max anything out or cause major difference between those products.
swerve121  +   958d ago
I think people took the number of 50% more powerful then the XB1 and ran with it. Fanboys its not gonna be that much of a difference how 3rd party games look. XB1 are gonna have some games that look awesome and seem only the XB1 can do it. And It's gonna the the same for PS4.
sway_z  +   958d ago
Yeah we should all listen to you, cos ur a genius?
FragMnTagM  +   958d ago
You should listen to him as he at least makes sense. Also look at my comment above, I explain it a little better than he does.
sway_z  +   958d ago
Forget about any discernible difference with Multiplats, and for at least 18 months...then you will see Sony 1st party games showing the difference in superiority.
theWB27  +   958d ago
So you go at swerve121 for being a genius. Is it because he stated the PS4 isn't an all superior being? What's really crazy is you posted this stroke of genius right before.
sway_z  +   958d ago
Oooh!.. so you're the defender of others comments?? I am not going at swerve (swerve, thats a cool name btw)...and!

However, when I reply to you...feel free to comment, until then ...keep it mush!

Bet u wish u were a MOD, but ya not!

Call me out??? LoL ...u couldn't call out a Dog !!! People like u are hapless victims, please just humble ur plum... ur growing nettles.
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theWB27  +   958d ago
I don't see sway_z anywhere in swerves comment. So that gives me as much right to jump in on your hypocrisy as you did on swerves comment that wasn't directed at you.

I don't know why I wish I was a MOD either. Seriously I don't. I still would have called you out.
SaveFerris  +   958d ago
Does this mean that third-party developers may not take advantage of the differences in the next-gen consoles (apart from kinect or the DS4) even if it doesn't require much more work?
Supermax  +   958d ago
There will be no difference between multiplatform games other then how you play said games ie duel shocks touch pad and Xbox ones kinect.
True_Samurai  +   958d ago
Or Xbox One's Smartglass. You know cause the protagonist likes to use his cell phone. We have a cell phone ^_^ and have the features on it
moparful99  +   957d ago
You do realize that the PS4 will have 2 second screen options right? First is the Vita second is a companion app a la Smart Glass on smart phones and tablets...
ILLINOIS  +   958d ago
So once again we will have to see the best in the PS4 from exclusive games. What a shame. Anyone who thinks a xboxone game can look as good or better than a PS4 game is being ignorant. The PS3 killed the 360 and the PS4 will kill the xboxone in graphics. 3rd party still getting paid by microsoft I see.
S2Killinit  +   958d ago
well, he is basically saying that the PS4 will be slightly better, which is normal. Of course he wont come here and say yeah the PS4 is awesome and xbone is terrible. It wouldn't make business sense. Having said that, I'm super excited for first party developers working on PS4.
PFFT  +   957d ago
Graphic wise the games will be much in the same a few differences here and there BUT nothing to make your Manties wet. So there will be no killing. The Only real difference will be the frame rates and whatnot.
S2Killinit  +   958d ago
you have to read between the lines. He pretty much says PS4 is the superior version (without actually saying it) I'm excited for this one by the way, it should be good, but my number UNO is Destiny (:
theWB27  +   958d ago
Kojima has stated there isn't a significant difference in power. Now Watch Dogs creators say the same. None of the launch titles look 50% better than X1 launch titles. But, but but the experts on N4G keep holding out for some miracle gaming revolution with the PS4. All of these first party developers had a hand making the PS4 what it is so wouldn't they already be showing that difference in power?

The PS4 is so easy to develop for plus the designers had a hand picking every nuance of a system which should make them so much more familiar with it. With that knowledge, the games should be looking that much better right now. Not years later. 50% more power as everyone says, I want to see it now. I bet if I got a PC 50% more powerful I'd be able to see the difference.

The difference in fidelity will be even smaller than it was this gen.

Devs are lazy. Kojima is getting paid. We'll see in 2014. I don't have to know a thing about the insides. If someone tells me a system is 50% more powerful but not a single game to show for it, and developers are saying it isn't a big difference I guess I'll run with that.
S2Killinit  +   958d ago
Are you using this to say that the PS4 isn't more powerful? Thats like saying PC isn't more powerful than consoles because the games look almost the same. Once you see the difference in Sony's 1st party developers that aren't bogged down by having to make the games work on all platforms, then you will see where that extra power goes.
By the way I don't think the whole system is 50% more powerfu. I think the CPU is 50% better, and the RAM is better but that isn't the same thing. The PS4 is a more powerful system, but not by 50%. That would be ridiculous.
joeorc  +   957d ago
"By the way I don't think the whole system is 50% more powerfu. I think the CPU is 50% better, and the RAM is better but that isn't the same thing. The PS4 is a more powerful system, but not by 50%. That would be ridiculous."

what you are saying is quite true, but the real test will be what happens when each system is coded to metal, and we could see the real test of pushing each hardware platform. the real right upfront area where the PS4 is over 50% more powerful than the xboxone is over all system bandwidth through system I/O this is quite Glaring.

Xboxone has a main system bandwidth of = 68GB/sec.

please note:

" 8 GB of DDR3 RAM with a memory bandwidth of 68.3 GB/s" that is to/from main system ram!

while the PS4's main system Bandwidth of = 176GB/sec to and from system ram from CPU or GPU!

that sheer Bandwidth Gap between cpu to main system ram just cannot be ignored.

yes the xboxone has 32 MB of eSRAM with 102 GB/sec bandwidth.

the problem is its not a unified over all system Bandwidth through I/O like the PS4 has.
S2Killinit  +   957d ago
You are more informed about this than I am. I wasn't saying that PS4's power advantage would not be noticeable by the way.
FragMnTagM  +   958d ago
I agree with everything you say, up until the 50% more power making PC noticable.

The 7790(One) and the 7870(PS4) are not a huge difference in graphics power. In fact it is around 40%, not 50% like everyone has been claiming.

Went from a 560ti(equivalent of 7790) to 660ti(equivalent of 7870) and no drastic changes in the way games look. Sure I could bump up a few things and get a few more FPS, but it is not as drastic as some would like to think here.
theWB27  +   958d ago
To the both of you-
I'm sure you can look up quite a few articles on here and see people like to throw around as many numbers as possible. Especially the teraflops number..1.8 to 1.2 I think. Oh!!! It's 50% better. It's the ram. It's this, it's that. 50% is their number for power.

So when I say a PC 50% more powerful, that's what the n4g experts like to throw around.
D-riders  +   957d ago
lol you wish. do your self a favor and research gddr5 and gddr3, you will see then. likehe said R&D. that means that both of these systems can do way more than what we will see at launch. with gddr5 graphics can be better and has less bottle necks. will you see this right away hell no. no matter how much a team works on a game. but in two to five years yep you will see that. Also cloud computing can't help graphics so xbox one and gaikai are not going to improve that. Streaming doesnt offer what hard disk does. giv eit time jsut like with ps3 yeah uncharted came out in I think the first two years. go look at that game and then look at 2 and 3 and you will see the difference.
FragMnTagM  +   957d ago
People that don't know about hardware shouldn't talk about it until they know something about it, i.e. do some research.

The PS4 has no DDR3, only GDDR5, whereas the One will have GPU Ram (GDDR5) an undisclosed amount, until it gets opened up probably, plus the 5gb of DDR3. That above is not FACT! I am speculating, but if it is set up like a PC, the GPU will have it's own GDDR5 RAM. Even if it is only 1gb, it will be great as the only game I have played that actually used more than 1gb of GDDR5 was GTAIV.

For instance, my PC has 16gb of DDR3 and my GPU (660ti) has 3gb of GDDR5 RAM. This completely annihilates both the next gen consoles and the GPU went on market nearly a year ago. The consoles are already outpaced before the gen has even started.

The consoles will roughly be on par.

I am just sick of people making the PS4 out to be some super elite piece of hardware, when in reality they will roughly be the same.

This still does not change the fact that I am going to wait on both consoles for at least a few months before I get either of them. I will be picking the PS4 up first, and then the One.

Before I grab either of those though, I am going to grab another 660ti and beef up my computer. Star Citizen looks FUGGGGGGIN amazing. Nothing that either console could ever dream of doing cloud or no cloud.

No fanboy here. I like facts and games. I will play a game on any system if said game is fun. Life is to short to hole yourself up to one gaming platform.

I may be wrong, but it is an educated guess seeing as how I have went to college for this stuff, and owned my own business at one time fixing and building custom systems for businesses and home gaming/computing/home theater setups.
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Bennibop  +   958d ago
It's not like they are going to say either way, not developer is going to state that one machine is better than the other at this point in time as they won't there games to succeed on both platforms. We already know ps4 is more powerful and I am sure we will see that in the finished product.
GDDR6_2014  +   958d ago
Lol developers telling you they don't see a difference in power between xbone and ps4 and people still want to argue
tuglu_pati  +   958d ago
People know more than developers now days you're suppose to know that by now ;)
D-riders  +   957d ago
reallly if you worked for a multip billion dollar company would you down play one of the systems. look at the ps3 and xbox 360 we all know that developers claimed their was no diffrence but was there

S2Killinit  +   957d ago
developers aren't saying there is not difference. You need to read between the lines, no developer in their right mind will want to come out and antagonize half their customers. You need to accept reality, I honestly don't understand how sometimes people will ignore facts in favor of subjective information. Even the very fact that microsoft did not directly announce their specs should tell you something. Although, there is still one argument to be made and that is that maybe Microsoft will try to up their console's performance before release. Although I find that hard to believe at this point because that would mean pushing back their release date beyond Christmas and they just can't afford to do that I think.
PS: This is not a fanboy rant, but please for the sake of sanity, you need to accept things that are true, PS4 IS more Powerful. Get over that.
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buynit  +   958d ago
Stupid just stupid! If you can make it look and play better on the ps4 or the xb1 then do that! I hate tjis shit that it has to be even across all platforms.

I love first part games but damn can you 3rd party ppl grow some balls, if the game is great it will sell no matter what console its on..
A-laughing-horse  +   958d ago
But it will sell more on Xbox. Just like all multiplays and exclusives.

Ps fanboys are always to busy on here making up fake stats to remember to buy a game.
Groo  +   957d ago
and MS fanbots are always too high to know this difference between whats good and whats crap
saint_seya  +   957d ago
I dont think so.. i mean u guys will be to bussy switching your tv on and off with voice commands to have time to buy the game.
And btw u know about making fake accounts right?
Since x-box pro defenders dissapear #those really ridiculous ones that noone even listen anymore# and new ones appear till they are out of bubbles..
#and u have 2 left.. i imagine that a new x-box fanboy is about to appear here soon ;)

ON TOPIC: If i were from any big company that want to sell a game in new consoles that are not yet in teh market, and i have no idea how big their install base its going to be, i think it wouldnt be a good idea to say "yes ps4 version will be better, buy that one".
1st- if u do that, u are telling x-bone users to not buy the product, why to buy an inferior product.
2nd- doing that u will alienate a bussines partner #MS#
3rd: if u say that u need to a great looking game on xbox and even a better looking game on ps4 #thing that would make work even harder.
Point: Dont expect big differences untill exclusive games start to show the difference, and install base make it worth the extra work to make it look better.
AngryEnglish  +   957d ago
Why do people care so much about this? if your only going to own one console then why bother moaning about the other one? enjoy what you have got.... it really doesnt change anything
Phoenix76  +   957d ago
Devs are not interested in spending extra time and money on making a multi-plat game look better on one console over the other. It would not make financial sense to do so.
Remember ppl, the devs are after your hard earned £,$,Euros, the same way as M$ and $ony are, regardless of hardware specs.
Groo  +   957d ago
thats funny, devs spend time and money putting out mod tools for PC games, amongst other things, so your logic is that is ok for one console to hold back other platforms? it would be nice for devs to have the ability to put out the best product they could make instead of gimping it for One console..
No_Limit  +   957d ago
The power difference is minimal like Kojima and Ubisoft had already stated. People buying into this BS from the likes of Jonathan low, who hold a grudge against MS, by saying some third party games can run at 60fps on PS4 and only 30fps on Xbox1. LOL, if Killzone and Drive Club, both are first party, can't even manged that on supposed 50% more powerful hardware, then we already knew the answer to that.

The battle is not so much in graphics but on function in this generation. The fact is the one has a Kinect 2.0 in every Sku means some third party games will take advantage of that and make use of it in ways that will separate it from from the PS4 version.
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moparful99  +   957d ago
When is the last time that a Kinect game was worth a damn? As far as gaming is concerned the Kinect is a gimmick.. The only good use for the Kinect is voice control...
FrigidDARKNESS  +   957d ago
Looking at the ps4 version comparing it to last years e3 2012 demo. The visuals have taken a significant hit. Word from the video game underground the xbox one visuals are better running at 1080p 60fps same for The Division.
DoesUs  +   957d ago

R* are that p!ssed they have GTA5 bundled with a PS3 at release.

You'll be delighted to know that all of that post, is not happening. Sorry.

Come back to this comment in due course.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   957d ago
Okay if you say so....think about that article and Agent.
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CrustifiedDibbs  +   957d ago
wasnt last years watch dogs demo being played on a pc with a GTX 680??? im pretty sure it was... that would explain the drop in visuals i would think.
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Cryptcuzz  +   957d ago
What version from E3 2012 are you speaking of? I didn't know Sony showed footage of PS4 games until February of this year??? Can you respond and elaborate on that?

Also, I wouldn't take some random poster on IGN's board as credible or in the know.

I wouldn't believe anything that is being said from random posters like that because they have no prior credibility. Someone like Cboat at Neogaf is someone I would believe simply because he has proven to be right so many times already.

There is no point arguing about this subject because it could not be settled once and for all until the games are actually released and compared.

If I would have to make a friendly bet, my bet would go to the PS4 as having the better version simply because of what the known specs for both systems are currently at. There is no way I can prove this, nor can anyone else refute it, but that is my bet based on available information from both MS and Sony engineers through interviews and corroborated through with the leaks for both systems.
sAVAge_bEaST  +   957d ago
microsoft would rather drop their beloved DRM scheme,. they worked so hard on,.. but keep this news quite,.. ok?
Cryptcuzz  +   957d ago
I strongly agree that if this was true, MS would have let it known loud and clear, especially at a venue like E3 that was so hyped worldwide because of the two next gen system unveil.

On top of that, if they knew the PS4 specs because of the PS4 reveal in February, they would have known they got the better hardware leading up to their reveal of the Xbox One and used that as one of their major marketing push, but they didn't.

MS knows that it would have been a huge thing that would justify why their console would be $100 more as well. So for them to not let this be known on their initial reveal of the Xbox One and E3 press conference, I highly doubt it is true because of that.
joeorc  +   957d ago
"MS knows that it would have been a huge thing that would justify why their console would be $100 more as well. So for them to not let this be known on their initial reveal of the Xbox One and E3 press conference, I highly doubt it is true because of that."

Both Sony and Microsoft have not put out all the spec's just yet , but by each other's display of spec's Sony has been more upfront with their spec's than Microsoft has.

they @ MICROSOFT @ Sony did not even give out the SOC'S freq/ ON THE cpu, OR even than it was only Microsoft waited to tell the specs on the RAM UNTIL AFTER THE 21'ST REVEL @ THE ROUND TABLE WITH THE ENGINEER'S. They just put "8GB OF RAM" on stage show of the 21st WHILE MARK CERNY PROUDLY STATED that the 8GB of the ram was GDDR5! Back in Feb.

you d@mn right if Microsoft's system has over all better spec's they would have out right stated such.

you know this person he would have been stating as such real quick example:

When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.

now he's not doing one? on both systems specs?

that's Ok herb, other's are doing it for you!
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Groo  +   957d ago
If MS put more time and money in to the hardware instead of ridiculous amounts of money on timed exclusive dlc, advertising, and lord knows what or who else to hype their product they wouldn't be holding everyone back.. The American way of buisness is retarded now.. Spend $1000 to save $2... MS should stop trying to manipulate people and focus on making a solid product.. They should take notes from Sony. If you build it right, they will come
theWB27  +   957d ago
So everyone who praises the X1 is paid? Can you show one PS4 exclusive that looks better than every X1 title?

Forza 5 was running on X1 hardware. The most graphically intense games have already been proven to be running on X1 But you can keep that argument if it makes you feel better.

I don't defend the X1 so much as I like to temper the fanboyism regarding the PS4. As I said before, we shouldn't have to wait and see since the 1st party developers worked so closely in developing the PS4 themselves. It's a console made for developers, its so easy. Results should already be shown.
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Groo  +   957d ago
I could ask you the same thing about X1, oh wait, MS wasnt running their demo's at E3 with the actual X1 console.. hmm. Don't put your faith in screenshots, like all xbots say these days, just wait and see
Hercules189  +   957d ago
@groo, have you seen the videos of the public playing ryse and forza and KI being played on actual xbox ones. Only game on pc was the lococycle game, which looks like a 360 game,and that was because they didnt have enough time to get it over to the one.
Popoffboy187718  +   957d ago
Tell ubisoft naughty dog said nxt gen don't start until they say so!!! Lol lol
D-riders  +   957d ago
in other word im gonna give you a pr answer
FrigidDARKNESS  +   957d ago
@Groo Just to let you know due to Sony's past financial problems they didn't have a lot of money to invest in research and development like they did for the ps3 . They had to take short cuts.
Just to inform you MS invested 3 bil. dollars in r&d with AMD on xbox one.
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DoesUs  +   957d ago
$3B on inferior hardware. Guess that worked out ok in the end.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   957d ago
Lol how. If you are going by specs on paper don't mean a damn thing its the engineering and components inside that counts that counts.
Why o why  +   957d ago
Yet they chose slower cheaper memory in a box the size of a denon amp that still needs a power brick.....retro or what.....too many people in denial.

Time will tell which is the best grapically and if its not the multiplats demonstrating it, it will definitely be the 1st/2nd party exclusives...... just like this gen... just let it go already
FlunkinMonkey  +   957d ago
Right on brother.. I'm enjoying exclusives like The Last of Us right now, where is the support for exclusives on the 360 gone? vanished..

Complete idiots here who don't understand PR, and that neither company would discredit respective platforms.. Get a grip!

The hardware is superior on PS4, i don't know how you guys are trying to avoid this factor, it was the other way around you'd be jumping off the walls.
moparful99  +   957d ago
@Frigid Yes that's why there have been numerous reports of Microsoft having to underclock the gpu on the XBONE.
ded1020  +   957d ago
I think what we need first is for one console to grossly outsell the other, before we can see games optimised for each. If PS4 took off way ahead of everybody else, MS would have to dig deep into their cloud and pull out some magic. Maybe find someway to make slow internet work afterall? (im no engineer, obviously). Kinda like 6th gen.
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