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GalacticEmpire  +   937d ago
This again, I'm pretty sure it's not murder if you kill people who are trying to kill you and/or destroy/take over the world. Why is it that Drake always gets this weird criticism and all other protagonists are immune?
Gimmemorebubblez  +   937d ago
Its just Drake's bad Fortune that he gets weird criticism.
minimur12  +   937d ago
I see what you did there ;)
TopDudeMan  +   937d ago
Yeah, Lazarevic makes that very point in uncharted 2.

He says "You think I am a monster. But you're no different from me, Drake. How many men have you killed? How many... just today?"

And that's where the whole morality gets interesting because in reality, drake has probably killed WAY more people than lazarevic has. I think that was a very interesting line of dialogue because he is the villain, yet he has less blood on his hands.
Hydralysk  +   937d ago
Probably because most other popular mass murdering protagonists are soldiers or warriors of some kind.

Nathan Drake is some treasure hunter/thief who rushes off to seek fame and fortune while killing dozens of men and making upbeat quips. There's usually some "Save the world" element that gets revealed near the end, but the games all start with Drake chasing it for the money.

It's the same problem people had with the old Lara Croft. She's already rich and raids tombs for priceless artifacts not because she wants to preserve them, but because of the thrill, and woe to any people or animals that get in the way of her adrenaline rush.

People complain about this but I think it's a good sign. We're now starting to ask the question "Is my character justified in killing these people?" even if it's usually in jest, rather than going "This is a video game, and in video games killing dudes is just what you do". This kind of thought process is what leads to games like Spec Ops, and I'm all for that.
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-Gespenst-  +   937d ago
So his enemies somehow become inhuman or non-human because of their motives? He's still killing hundreds of people. Why can't he just incapacitate them? It makes him just as bad as them if he kills them.

Drake is so righteous that he's allowed to kill them? You've gotta get this eye for an eye idea out of your head. No one actually has the right to kill another person- that's an illusion ideologues like to spread. You shouldn't see these heroes somehow warranted in how much they kill people. Drake's not a likable hero, he's a d!ck.
dp277407  +   937d ago
Honestly most of the time these people are chasing him or he's running away from something lol, remember when he was a kid in three and multiple other times lol.
Irishguy95  +   937d ago
Drake is a likable dick/

That doesn't sound too nice when you just hear the words...but it covers the character as an entertaining/likable psychopath.

Really, your not supposed to judge the game based on realistic morals. The game doesn't want or try to cover this type of thing, wait for TloU, that title is more ambitious that Uncharted ever was.
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GalacticEmpire  +   937d ago
"So his enemies somehow become inhuman or non-human because of their motives?"

WHAT!? I Never said that.

Yeah he can incapacitate them sure, which he does with the 'innocent' parties i.e. the sleep darts in the musuem (Among Thieves). My point was that he only ever kills people who are trying to kill him, which is kind of justified.
Wintersun616  +   937d ago
"No one actually has the right to kill another person"

Dude, you're so wrong. Never heard of James Bond?

Also following your faulty logic, all these people are dicks:
Altaïr, CJ, Jason Brody, Wei Shen, John Marston, Cole McGrath, Adam Jensen.

Also if we extend this logic to aliens and animals, these people are dicks too:
Master Chief, Mario, Link, Kratos, Snake...
NiteX  +   937d ago
Wow, you must really hate soldiers.
Inception  +   937d ago
"Why can't he just incapacitate them? It makes him just as bad as them if he kills them."

Emm, Drake only one ordinary man vs tons of enemies with full weapons, tanks, and helicopters that want his head as a reward. If Drake like spiderman or superman, maybe he can incapacitate the enemies one by one with a blink on an eye.

But, even the legendary hero like solid snake need to kill tons of enemies to completed his mission, even though his boss command him to sneak past the enemies. So yeah, it's kill or to be kill.
BlackPrince 42  +   937d ago
It's always brought up because it's cognitively dissonant for charming Nathan Drake to also be a murder machine.

For most people, it's only something they think about in retrospect. Our ability to suspend disbelief carries us through the game most of the time.

And it really only comes up with Drake (and now DeWitt, and reboot Lara Croft) because those characters are so much more fleshed out than say, the Doom marine, and they're not trained assassins like Solid Snake.

Truthfully it's a good problem. One that shows gaming is maturing.
miyamoto  +   937d ago
"How many did you kill just today?" This line from Lazaravich is still blown out of proportion and context just for clicks? and why Drake like the Dragon's Crown Sorceress so singled out with killing and everyone else gets a pass?
kneon  +   937d ago
I don't know why Drake gets all the grief for being a mass murderer. Mario is by far a more prolific killer than Drake, how many millions of goombas, koopas etc. has he killed over the decades?
Inception  +   937d ago
Lol, i just imagine Mario taught his descendant (Mario Jr 1, Mario Jr 2, etc) for 8th generation (of video game console) to always kill Goombas / Koopas family, even maybe one of Goombas / Koopas descendant are not as bad as their ancestor XD
Maybe i think it's safe to say Mario is the worst genocide & psychopath character in video game history XD
ceballos77mx  +   935d ago
Not to mention how many yoshis he sacrifices to save himself from falling to the pit.
o-Sunny-o  +   937d ago
Naughty Dawg should make a game where you play as a bandit and have a bandicoot partner. *_*
wishingW3L  +   937d ago
is just gameplay, Drake really doesn't kill hundreds of people in the games just like Mario runs and jump for hours in his games and never gets tired. That's just how gaming is unless you want to go the David Cage's route when making games just to keep everything within context.

The only way to fix Uncharted would be by mirroring Mirror's Edge gameplay maybe? Instead of gunning down every-body it would be more about the chasing... Or maybe by putting more emphasis on stealth and less bullets?
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TheGamingArt  +   937d ago
This discussion has already been done and overkilled.... Stop being cliche.
TheOneEyedHound  +   937d ago
Kill or be kill.
babis1974  +   937d ago
when he is killed by an enemy what is he? A Mass Murderer or a victim?
Williamson  +   937d ago
Its just a game tho....but Drake has emerged as one of my favorite characters.
DigitalRaptor  +   937d ago
This has been brought up before.

In an action game space it's kill or be killed - or in a game like MGS it's kill, or sneak, or tranquilize or be killed. What other outcome do you expect in the pulp action/adventure genre? Uncharted isn't a stealth game nor is it meant to be realistic.
HonestDragon  +   937d ago
So, killing bad people (who have done bad things including trying to kill you and your loved ones), makes you the murderer?

"Drake’s killed so many people that it’s surprising he doesn’t top the Most Wanted list of the FBI and Interpol. Fine, most of those people were shooting at him but they were only doing what they were hired to do, which was to guard areas."

Among other things like genocide, smuggling illicit objects and people, kidnapping, blackmail, and murder. Oh, they were also killed and waging these small wars in some of the most remote areas of the world, so no intelligence agency would really have a fix on that situation unless it was reported.

"Maybe it was this statement that turned Drake further onto a greedier, more selfish path."

At what point does Nathan Drake blatantly say that he's in it for the money? Sure, Sully could use some monetary rewards, but they get by okay. Drake has a penchant for history, family, and making discoveries that could change the historical world.

"But the real crime is allowing gaps to exist in archaeological history when they can be filled so quickly if only Drake would share his knowledge. I’ll let the statue of El Dorado pass because that was a deadly weapon, but the destruction of Iram, Shangri-La and the Golden Abyss have to be deemed as terrible crimes. Could you imagine how much we could have learnt from these places? Their discoveries would all be historical events in themselves. How often do you find a lost city? Finding Shangri-La would be like finding Pompeii all over again today."

Except the greater good was to not have these places be found or those objects salvaged. They turned out to be doing more harm than good. Plus, the bad guys who were after said places and objects were doing so for power. Hence, they would abuse it.

By the author's logic, any hero from video games and cinema could kill bad guys or monsters or demons and be considered a murderer in his eyes. From John McClane to Ezio Auditore, they are all murderers to this guy.
dannylilley  +   937d ago
Because people know it’s a game? People don’t see the enemies as humans but rather pixels and polygons that must be shot at. Thinking of these targets having lives outside what you see in the game is a bit too far. A bit of a non question as far as I’m concerned.
goldwyncq  +   937d ago
How stupid. By that logic, then Mario as well as other countless video game protagonists are mass murderers too.
sashimi  +   937d ago
Story Quality : WTF
Like this Website : NO!
dannylilley  +   937d ago
It's a great website, just a bit of a daft article. Don't let that put you off their usual high quality stuff.

No I don't work for them btw.
tigertron  +   937d ago
You could say the same thing about any protagonist in any movie or game.

As someone said earlier, the fact that Drake has killed so many men was highlighted at the end of UC2.
Hallow  +   937d ago
Drake doesn't kill anyone, you do.

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