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taiwanesebrothaz  +   961d ago
sony ps4, they learned ....
1. to release hardware that are developer friendly
2. to release hardware that isn't top of the line and skyrocket their costs

sony released ps3 with top of the line hardware back in 2006

what did gamers do?

what $500?? $600 ?? TOO EXPENSIVE

what did sony learn this time?
not to give gamers the latest hardware because it is not cost effective even though they feel they have the right to charge higher, gamers have this mindset that every new console is only worth $300, until you gamers are willing to pay 500-600 for consoles, don't expect top hardware specs, its just wishful thinking

you want a Porsche but you can only afford a camry
KontryBoy706  +   961d ago
if that's true then make KILLZONE 4 at 1080p 60fps. Back up that talk.
TheKayle1  +   961d ago
lol this payed developers....

what alien technology sony is using in a 400/500$ console to dont have bottlenecks in the bridges?

they didnt put certain things like the move engines coz they havent money for the R&D and they excpect that ppl that study system from years.....drink this shit?

and the cpu will suffer it
StreetsofRage  +   961d ago
30fps. Nuff said
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isarai  +   961d ago
You know i don't wanna sound like a fanboy here, and i don't want to rule out the possibility of MS coming out on top next gen cause we know little to nothing about it. However i just REALLY do not see the nextbox topping what the PS4 is offering!
The hand that feeds  +   961d ago
Why only 30fps an not 60fps then??
ps3_pwns  +   961d ago
no bottle necks just pure power baby! ps4 is the console to get. if not then tell me why x720 with all the rumors is the console to get. im interested to know since the only exclusive they have is the halo and gears which are old and played out and this new gen that xbl community some tout will be on the ps4 making them the psn community where everyone game and plays.

yeah MS made online social gaming big i consider them the myspace of gaming. ps4 is the facebook. dont be that nnooob who is still on myspace with only a thousand other people on there when 100's of millions of dudes are on facebook.
Modestmex  +   961d ago
no limitations ma ass where the 60fps? every console has it's limitations even pc.
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AlphaJunk  +   961d ago
Definitely a great design! Very forward thinking and introspective of Sony engineers to go back and realize and address the flaws of the PS3 and it's awkward last minute implementation of the PS3's GPU.
strickers  +   961d ago
I love all the attempts to complain here . "Why not 60fps?"
Bottlenecks have nothing to do with overall power and we are still in early games mode. It will improve over time. It will never match a high powered GPU. What it will do is punch well above it's spec class and be easy for devs to use. We will see lots of wonderful games that you cannot get on PC. Let me guess, graphics are the most important factor now ;-)
-Gespenst-  +   961d ago
God, the developers are at it now too. Such juvenile fetishism.

None of this shit matters. If games like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI can be made on a 16-bit console, then I think we have enough power now.

Vision, imagination, and creativity are all you need.

Tech is just eclipsing all of the above- hence most game experiences these days are just shallow graphics showcases.

The more we fixate on pushing technological boundaries the more we forget about the actual content.

We've got enough power now, lets focus on making memorable experiences. So few of this generation's games have actually been memorable to me. Journey and El Shaddai stand out, Deus Ex and Oblivion too (Both more so than Skyrim) also Portal 2, Final Fantasy XIII & XIII-2, Just Cause 2, Red Dead Redemption (sort of) and Ni No Kuni, but that's about it. I've definitely had more fun playing older games (PSOne, Ps2, SNES, N64) or games on consoles with less advanced tech (PSP, DS, 3DS, Vita.)
cj1pate101  +   961d ago
No tech hurdles but the games running at a measly 30 fps and in only 1080p. Big whoop this isnt a hard task. Watch the killzone trailer again look how all the civillians have the same face. Why do you twats care so much about graphics when the ps4 is not a power house?
Elite_737  +   961d ago
Hate to rain on everyone's parade, but of course the PS4 has a bottleneck. Why do you think Killzone 4 is running at 1080p 30fps as opposed to 1080p 60fps/120fps? Because it is bottlenecked by the GPU. Sure, there will be advancements in optimization of code that could possible make Killzone run faster in the future, but there still is that limit on what you can do (IE: a bottleneck). All components in the PS4 (along with any other platform) have their technological limits.

Either this guy is bullshitting us to get us on the hype-train, or he is just ignorant to the meaning of a "Bottleneck". I'm going with the latter.
annus  +   961d ago
That's not what a bottleneck is. A bottleneck is the flow of information through hardware, where to much information is getting pushed to a certain device, while said device can't handle the amount of information at that time. It really is like a bottle's neck. If you get a bottle of coke and turn it upside down, it doesn't all flow out, because the bottle neck restricts how much can come out at any one time.

An example in PC terms would be having the worlds fastest CPU, but RAM from 1990, besides compatibility the CPU simply would not be able to function at the high speeds compared to if it had the best RAM in the world.

There is more to frame rate than just the GPU, the CPU could be working extremely hard and is only able to process everything 30 times a second, regardless of how well the GPU is doing. You have to remember that frame rate isn't just about how good a CPU is. You can take a game that runs at 120fps, as soon as you add more things to it the framerate will drop, this could be to do with the CPU taking a huge hit from the physiscs, it isn't really related to the GPU.
Elite_737  +   960d ago
All of what you said was true, but your example of bottlenecking is basically what I said as well, yours just at an extreme level. Also, I understand that framerate isn't just about a GPU. I was just trying eliminate a bunch of variables to make my point simpler to understand, and I'll try it again.

Lets say the killzone devs wanted to add higher resolution texture (please just ignore VRam for the sake of argument). At a certain point, they would need to stop because the GPU would not be able to keep up with the CPU. Hence, the CPU would be bottlenecked by the GPU. This is just a less extreme (and more realistic) example of how one components in the PS4 could potentially bottleneck the other.
DomceM  +   961d ago
every system has a bottleneck. ps4 included... however maybe all of the parts in ps4 are really really close in terms of performance. that would make more sense.
chukamachine  +   961d ago
We can all piss and moan.

Crysis3 while looking nice, and very nice in later stages, the enemie soldiers repeat the same things, characters are just skins.

As long as it's smooth and gameplay is fun and fluid I couldn't careless.

Obviously with a lot of these devs it's early days with the PS4 8cores.

Looking forward to the launch, just wish there was a motorstorm.
wellmont  +   961d ago
Interesting that it's coming from a developer who has no other outlet for their games. It's not like they'd say the opposite as it'd tank their potential.
Rageanitus  +   961d ago
We will see if the console can do 1080p Native at 60FPS constant frames
mmj  +   961d ago
They aren't saying that PS4 will have all the power anyone will ever need, they're just saying that there are no obvious weaknesses.

PS4 will of course be capable of 60fps but the trouble is Xbox games have a tendancy to run at 30fps and so if they want to compete on a graphical footing they don't have much choice but to copy them. If they develop a 60fps game people will just compare screenshots with Xbox 30fps games and claim PS4 has **** graphics.
kingPoS  +   961d ago
Quote: We've got the right amount of memory, video card; everything's balanced out. It was a very conscious effort to make sure that – with the speed of the memory, the amount of compute units, the speed of the hard drive – there would not be any bottlenecks...

SATA III for the win.
AO1JMM  +   961d ago
I call BS!
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Jek_Porkins  +   961d ago
Aren't they a Sony owned developer though? I mean I highly doubt they'd say anything negative about it. I think it's a great piece of hardware from the sound of it, but I just think it's foolish to think a studio owned by Sony would bad mouth the system.

Did any of Sony's first party studios say anything about bottlenecks with the PS3? Not that I can remember, and we all know that it had some issues with limited memory and things like that, and was overall just kind of difficult to develop for.

This news is like the head of Disney saying Disney is good.
LKHGFDSA  +   961d ago
I don't get what you're saying.
Wouldn't they just keep quiet about it if they weren't that impressed?
Every platform has downsides, it wouldn't make sense for the companies involved with them to point them out.
Jek_Porkins  +   960d ago
I'm saying a first party studio would never bad mouth the hand that feeds them. You'll never hear one say they have issues developing for the company that owns them....

So this isn't news. That was my point.
StrongMan  +   960d ago
Achievement unlocked!

Mastering the art of stealth trolling.
Shaolen  +   961d ago
These flame bait articles are always good for a chuckle to see how big the pissing matches get from each camp.
WUTCHUGUNNADO  +   961d ago
Most bottlenecks in PC's come from games not being able to properly utilize multiple cores/hyperthreading or poor clockspeeds on older processors. The same is true for a better processor using a weaker GPU with the GPU not being able to keep up with the processor. That's about all it comes down to with gaming... other bottlenecks exist between the HD transfer rate and the PCI bus but often don't affect gaming in a noticeable way. To outright claim there are no bottlenecks on the PS4 is a straight up lie but they are more capable of throttling the performance on an APU as opposed to having separate area's trying to work together in unison.
kingduqc  +   961d ago
So what? A bottleneck is a therm used when a part of the system is way better then the other and it's basically useless because the other part is too slow to catch up.

Ps4 is low end gpu with a low end cpu, there should not be a bottleneck, specially designed into a system with locked specs.
LKHGFDSA  +   961d ago
I'm really disappointed the game will be at 30fps.
I was hoping next generation all games would be a minimum of 60fps in 1080p.

When you play 60fps games they just feel so much smoother.
I can't see any reason not to have it. (other than cutting costs on hardware)
vigilante_man  +   960d ago
Killzone are always amazing games. Killzone 2 & 3 really pushed the bar with PS3.

I don't care whether its 30-40-50-60-200 fps. Quality is quality and Guerrilla Games make quality games.

Its about graphics, environments, atmosphere, gameplay, music, etc. The total package. I love Kojima, Naughty Dog, Guerrilla, Insomniac, Square Enix (when they were good) and any company that takes pride in its games and values quality.

When you play a great game, you play a great game! Seems PS4 is about the Games this time around. I hope MS is the same too...
MuhammadJA  +   960d ago
I don't buy this. Why KZ:SF is 30FPS? Why BF4 can't achieve 1080p? Why Thief 4 is also capped at 30FPS?
ninjahunter  +   960d ago
Lol, I like how people cry about 30fps when thats all they've had all their life. Youv played 3-4 games at 60 FPS and now your too good for 30? Fascinating.
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