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NYC_Gamer  +   529d ago
Hmm...so the 7xx series=Kepler refresh.
fr0sty  +   528d ago
Doesn't look like we'll be seeing this tech for a while.
ICECREAM   528d ago | Trolling | show
TechnicianTed  +   528d ago
Nvidia make a healthy profit from what they do, I doubt that's going to change because of the ps4. This article doesn't have anything to with the ps4 anyway.
chaos-lockheart   528d ago | Offensive
ginsunuva  +   528d ago
Yup, even hundred's place = new architecture. Odd = upgrade
solid_warlord   528d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(7)
jmc8888  +   528d ago
Yeah that's what they've been saying.

Maxwell is a 2014 part.

This means Volta should be a 2016 part.
Pain_Killer  +   528d ago
Exactly, the current roadmap is something like this:

Kepler 28nm - 2012
Kepler 28nm Refresh - 2013

Maxwell 20nm - 2014
Maxwell 20nm Refresh - 2015

Volta 20/14nm - 2016

Nevertheless, impressive stuff for the PC industry. Currently we are maxed out at 288GB/s from NVIDIA's Titan.

Maxwell would push this upto 500 GB/s memory bandwidth and Volta finally making PC users achieve 1 TB/s mark. And it doesn't necessarily means that the bandwidth would be restricted to only high-end cards but next generation mid-end GPUs would also end up with 800 GB/s which is very impressive and achievable with the stacked DRAM design.

Unified memory architecture on Maxwell is also impressive since it allows cross data sharing between Maxwell's GDDR6 ram and the main DDR4 system ram which would be available on PCs in 2014 notably the LGA 2011 platform.

You can compare the memory like this:

NVIDIA Volta - Peak 1 TB/s
NVIDIA Maxwell - Peak 500 GB/s
NVIDIA GTX Titan - 288 GB/s
PlayStation 4 - 172 GB/s
HD 7850 - 167.4 GB/s

Memory specifications on the next gen PC GPU architectures is impressive but i firmly believe that their raw processing power would also increase substantially with 10-20 TFlops achievable with Volta. Im looking forward to what both NVIDIA and AMD are going to offer in their future generation GPU platform.

Atleast GDDR6 is confirmed for PC with NVIDIA Maxwell and AMD Volcanic Island GPUs in 2014.
vulcanproject  +   528d ago
Even a refresh typically adds at least 10 percent more performance and lower prices for equivalent speed virtually across the board. If nothing else you get more bang for your buck because several new revisions of silicon should improve the yields and make it cheaper to manufacture.

The 'best' time to buy is probably not long after new parts launch (maybe a month) just after their price premium has gone and the channel is stocked with parts, because they should stay relevant for the longest period.

I bought an i7 920 and a board based on this theory and 4 and a half years later....it still provides a solid backbone to a decent gaming PC

http://www.techspot.com/rev...

Everytime I see CPU tests with the i7 920 still in there kicking ass and taking names at its stock clocks no less....makes me smile. Its 4 and a half years old!!!

Take that console gamers saying you have to upgrade everything all the time...

Maxwell is probably due Summer 2014 and appears that it will be twice as fast as a GTX680 and thus also blowing Titan out of the water easily.

What matters to most people however is that something like GTX680 performance will be lower midrange and priced as such in about 15 months....

Yum yum!
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fr0sty  +   528d ago
Vulcan, when the GPU that you do have to upgrade every few years costs as much (or almost as much) as an entire console, that kinda destroys your argument. Impressive that CPU has held up so well none the less.
vulcanproject  +   528d ago
Not really frosty.

Mainly because the backbone of the machine being Board/CPU/RAM combo can last such a long time and is typically the most costly/most work to replace. Whereas a GPU upgrade is not only simple, is easily paid for with the money saved on the cost of games. PC games are a lot cheaper on launch and their price usually falls quicker as well.

Seriously if console games get any more expensive as they are apparently going to get then it'll just make something like a GPU upgrade even more justifiable.

Besides the fact the old one is worth something when it is time to sell up and buy a new one anyway.....

If I swap my GPU every 2 years and I have a decent one before worth £100 at the time of upgrade, net cost to me might only be 150 squids.

I save at least £200 every year buying PC games instead of console ones....

Such is life.

You don't buy a Sports car without thinking how much the thing costs to actually run, tax, fuel, maintenance, insurance....PC might look expensive at first glance but over the years it actually isn't compared to consoles.
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DoomeDx  +   528d ago
Dude shouldnt this be on Tech Spy?
Im sure 90% of the people on N4G have no clue what this is about lol
Hellsvacancy  +   528d ago
Lol, im sitting hear reading the comments and scratching my head
solar  +   528d ago
omfg you are soooo stupid DoomeDx. the PS4 has the BEST low end APU on the market.

You said nothing about the PS4 but this is an Nvidia thread so you must hate the ps4
Hydrolex  +   528d ago
Damn !
ICECREAM   528d ago | Spam
ajax17  +   528d ago
Lol, one person disagreed! Like, "nope, I'm still not impressed."
Trago1337  +   528d ago
looks like we wont be seeing this for a while then.
--Onilink--  +   528d ago
2-3 years tops... PC components evolve rather quickly
Trago1337  +   528d ago
Certainly hopes so. Been meaning to upgrade for a bit. Just waiting for the right moment.
Hydrolex  +   528d ago
there's never a right moment...

doesn't work like that with technology bud !

it's always improving and if you wait, you have to wait till you die...
AzaziL  +   528d ago
@Trago1337 a few tips:
1 - Build on your budget, if it takes more than a year to pay off (or save up for), your spending too much.

2 - Don't get the most expensive parts for a few fps, go for the best bang for your buck, eventually parts for half the price will outperform whatever you have in 2-3 years.

3 - Don't wait, but don't rush either, if your patient, you can shop around for components when they're on sale and build a rig for real cheap. Buying all the parts at one place at one time will cost more than shopping around and getting the best deal for all your parts.

Follow these steps and you'll be able to have a new rig every 2-3 years and keep up to date, I used to make the classic mistake of spending too much and was stuck with PCs for years longer than I would've liked. Now I spend $1,000 tops and can upgrade every other year.
imXify  +   528d ago
@Onilink
There's no point of doing it that fast when there's no competition around. I'll wait for AMD.
kupomogli  +   528d ago
We still won't be seeing on in awhile because even when it's out, it'll be out of our price range. Unless there are those of us who want a product that we're not going to be using since there's nothing out there to take advantage of the best of the best of everything as it is.
Jughead3416  +   528d ago
Based on the graph they had, it appeared to be at least 2015 before we see this technology. Sounds impressive though. Is this their response to PS4? I know they've sounded kind of bitter lately.
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--Onilink--  +   528d ago
not really, most graphics cards these days have a higher transfer rate than the PS4 GPU, and this new tech completely blows out anything seen on the PS4 or any current card for that matter
--Onilink--  +   528d ago
Gotta love the disagreeing blind people here in this site, even a regular gtx 570, which was not even the top card for the 500 series has a transfer rate of about 160Gb/s. The PS4 has 180, which is actually quite good. But recent cards are already with transfer rates of 250-260Gb/s. This thing is gonna have a massive transfer rate of 1Tb/s. please do explain to me how this doesnt blow out current cards(and by the default, the ps4 gpu)
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jmc8888  +   528d ago
Well there's also quite a few other factors that show midrange 2011 GPU's equal a PS4, and midrange 2012 already are about a 1/3 beyond it. Midrange 7XX series could be a raw 40-100 percent increase (probably around the lower end), which would mean probably greater than double a PS4's raw power.

Then Maxwell could double that. Refresh about 50 percent better than that. Then Volta, which seems to be a pretty big leap.

Think about it, at ~24 GFlops a watt, they are basically saying the Volta, probably midrange will be a 10 TFlop part.

Then if you consider the dual gpu part, it alone should be 20-25 TFlops and you'll be able to no doubt put to in there and get about 40-50 TFlops performance, compared to 1.8 TFlops of PS4.

So something in the neighborhood of 10-50 TFlop performance approximately 3 years or less after the PS4 is out.

I've been saying it since the specs of the PS4 were 'officially revealed' (and speculated even beforehand when leaked) that while the PS4/720/Wii U are fine systems, this new generation will hold PC gaming back far more than the current one.

Not at first, as the bottom quality will raise massively for PC games, but overall you will have PC's that are almost 30x as powerful three years later (as opposed to 8-9x at launch with GTX 790x2 vs PS4's 1.8 TFlops). Then think 7-8 years out instead of 3.
ICECREAM   528d ago | Trolling | show
--Onilink--  +   528d ago
@ICECREAM

So your "research" is showing 1 card only, which even PC gamers agree is way overpriced...
Regular cards, the numbered series are never close to those prices, X70 version, $350-$400, X80 $450-$500 and the X90s that are the expensive one.

And none of the change the fact that current cards already have the same or more transfer rate, with the 7xx series coming up which is going to increase that, then the Maxwell series, and then this one. And in case you dont realize it, my comment was actually in reply to edterry who was saying if this was a response to the PS4, which doesnt even make sense if current cards are already better.

I never said it would "undermine" the PS4, i simply pointed out the obvious, which is that a card thats gonna come out 2-3 years from now, with some very interesting tech/design is going to blow away what current cards are doing, and obviously what the PS4/720 has
Ragthorn  +   528d ago
I agree with Onilink in that the GTX Titan is overpriced. Just love it when people go on and say crap about the PC crowd, but don't even know what they saying.
@ICECREAM
Weren't you told to think before you say?
Pandamobile  +   528d ago
I'm not sure why Nvidia would be bitter about anything. The PS4 isn't exactly a threat to them in any way. This is just a natural progression of GPU hardware.
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classic200  +   528d ago
Well to be honest if devs are going to be programming mostly for AMD cards now then I could see AMD card being the better cards for gaming in a year or 2 which is not good for nvidia.
Pandamobile  +   528d ago
Not really. Nvidia still owns like 75% of the PC GPU market, so any dev that skimps out on proper optimization for Nvidia cards is really going to be biting themselves in the ass.
chukamachine  +   528d ago
I don't think Nvidia is thinking of it as PS4.

They are bad mouthing AMD, which is nothing new.

Regardless, i'll wait till 2016 to think about buying a new GPU, when some newer tech comes along GPU wise for my comp.

Buying another dx11 part now is a waste of money.

PS4 has the games I want. And that's why I game.

For all else there is PC, and some games:)
OpenGL  +   528d ago
Nvidia has a foot in the mobile industry and if Tegra continues to improve at the rate it is Nvidia could have a real winner on their hands within the next few years.
AO1JMM  +   528d ago
Damn.... going to need a loan to get 1 of those cards.
jmc8888  +   528d ago
Not really, you can get a PS4 level power for $200 or so.
mushroomwig  +   528d ago
What does the PS4 have to do with anything? This card is going to be incredibly expense, changing the subject isn't going to change that.
ALLWRONG  +   528d ago
Only reason why anyone is talking about the PS4 is because of what NVIDIA said. Expect the PS guys to be in anything NVIDIA from now on.
tubers  +   528d ago
"Volta GPUs will have access to up to 1TB per second of bandwidth"

0.o

Isn't the PS4 like 180GB/s?

Then again this is probably for 2015/16 judging by the graph.
Guwapo77  +   528d ago | Well said
More to it than that...
"Volta GPUs will have access to up to 1TB per second of bandwidth by stacking the DRAM on top of the GPU itself"

That is the ram speed. No way in hell the GPU will give 1:1 processing of all that bandwith.

Will it be more than the 180GB/s? Definitely.

Remember the PS4 is getting a midrange GPU and what we are comparing it to is top of the line years down the road.

Fair comparison? Not even, especially at the price point.
jmc8888  +   528d ago
No not top of the line, that will be the process of what they have, the difference no doubt will be HOW MUCH they stack onto it, as well as all their other features like CUDA cores, clock speed, etc, etc, etc.

The charts they are showing look decidely midrange or lower in their charts. It might even be low end.

Look at the Kepler, i.e. GTX 600 series.

The GTX 670 has 2.4 TFLops performance at stock speeds (or 1/3 more raw power than a PS4).

Yet the TDP is 170 watts, yet it can use more than that as some test it in the low 200's.

So 6 GFLops/watt * 170 = 1.02 TFlops, yet the GTX 670 does 2.4 GFlops.

If you notice Volta seems to be ~24 GFlops/watt which means it should be roughly 400 percent stronger per watt then the 600 series.

When you realize that the 600 series was also a lower power draw then the earlier versions then 400 percent better is quite nice, with the ability to increase the board size (notice how the GTX 670 can be placed on a small PCB for graphic card standards and provides that much performance), and you understand they not only can give you 400 percent more power efficiency, but also increase the board size and up the wattage used that is also more efficient per watt.

There's quite a bit of newer tech on the way, and of course by 2016, we should have made some good progress in CPU's. FINALLY Intel should be coming out with an 8 core later this year. Perhaps they'll have raised it again by then and make it worthwhile to dump my i7 920 @4ghz. DD4 and GDDR6 should be out next year as well.
SAE  +   528d ago
You just explained why it's stupid comparing a pc to a console in tech side. Fanboys are ignorants. Consoles are used for reasons. People choose easy using and exclusives instead of full controle of the hardware(That lead to facing complicated problems). Remove these reasons and you will see people try to learn the pc.
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cooperdnizzle  +   528d ago
well if you guys would of watch the whole 2:30 hour show you would of heard him talk about things that the ps4 is already implementing into its system and they (nvidia) are look at putting in to there new gpu and tegra chips. like the maxwell gpu having unified vram = the gpu can see the cpu and cpu can see the gpu. that is why sony went with the unified gddr5 ram less headroom on the gpu and the cpu. allowing the gpu and cpu to see each other work load allowing them to determine the next best pipeline.

now look at the kayla chip set it was a tegra 3 cpu with a dedicated mobile gpu not sure which one i must of missed the code name for the gpu, but it was running a volumetric smoke effect, ray tracing, and a new wave simulator all at the same time and in real time, all on a mobile design system. the ps4 is still designed off of a desktop design gpu and a lower designed desktop/laptop cpu, but one you can not find in a laptop or desktop yet. because there is no jaguar core yet let alone 8 on one chip. and the gpu is based off of the gcn not sure which one but i guessing gcn 2.0. also not available as of yet.

now lets get into heterogeneous system, which the ps4 is based off of and no pc uses for games as of yet. it allows for a more stream lined approach to game development. allow for a faster cpu and gpu cycle with out actually need higher clocks (ghz). running a heterogeneous system means a more parallel work flow. creating in that type of system allows for more gpgpu options. if you watched he talked about how when games move to a more gpgpu intense system the limits will be endless. apu's break the bottleneck wall between a cpu and a gpu allowing direct access, the same idea of the stacked vram, bringing everything on to the same die to allow for a much faster chip. now sony has already been stated to have a new coding language for the ps4 that breaks that bottleneck even more allowing for a system were the gpu and cpu are direct to metal, meaning working like they are one. most gpu's ram run at what the ps4 ram is running at right around 176Gb/s

pc games are really based off of the gpu and console this gen are more so based off of the cpu. the new apu design gives the developer the option to use both to there full capability.
ATi_Elite  +   528d ago
YOUR WRONG and the PS4 is not the first heterogenous system
Nice long post but too bad when you got to the PS4 first heterogeneous System stuff I STOPPED READING cause you are so wrong.

1. Smart Cell phones and any Tegra powered tablet are all heterogenous.

2. OK you wanna be specific and say DESKTOP PC, BAM AMD A-10 Trinity APU is a CPU/GPU all in one (Just like the PS4) and just uses the DDR3 Ram to run Programs and Games. No Discrete GPU needed.

(Now Granted the PS4 is way more powerful than this chip but that's not the point)

So Sorry Bro the PS4 is NOT first Heterogeneous System!!!!

Oh by the way this chip has been available for a while and I even posted BENCHMARKS and a link to where you can buy it cause I'm FACTUAL like that!

http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

http://www.tomshardware.com...

can't wait to see how many people hit disagree out of RAGE!!!
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Zechs34  +   528d ago
"YOUR" wrong...

Lol.
cooperdnizzle  +   528d ago
i never said the ps4 was the first to use it. so learn to read and comprehend what you read, i said it was heavily based on heterogeneous processing more then a pc. now i was unclear (see i can admit when i mess up) i meant to say no game developer on pc use that system to its fullest yet cause they are working with high end systems a separate cpu and gpu with little heterogeneous. how many developers make games for the few amd apu's? and don't say mobile i don't think of that as real gaming. so that discount tegra, now that i went and reread what i put (which the ps4 is based off of and no pc uses for games as of yet.) no where do i say first or they don't have any pc apu's i just said they do not use them for games. look at those benchmarks you gave, do you think any developer looks at that and goes that what i'm going to put a bunch of time into?
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N0S3LFESTEEM  +   528d ago
So am I going to need an intel i14 or AMD Fx-16700 to run that thing.
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TheSurg  +   528d ago
Sure thing, they got tech ready for next 10 years. Ofcourse they release it very slowely so all the geeks will buy a new card every year.
cgoodno  +   528d ago
This is actually very true. Technology is way beyond what the hardcore gamers are utilizing, let alone mainstream. The problem is that they hold off on it to have a business progression of technology.
Leviathan  +   528d ago
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner
kamuix  +   528d ago
Why does everything have to turn out being this vs the ps4 or pc vs console. Its technology, it advances quicker than you can blink your eye. My phone is less than a year old and was probably the best Android phone on the market for say maybe a month. Consoles will never catch up to pcs because pcs can be upgraded. That doesnt mean however that one cant enjoy console and/or pc gaming. The only winners here are consumers so stop bickering about what is more powerful and just enjoy the tech!
R_aVe_N  +   528d ago
And 90% of the world will not care because they will still be buying pre-built PC's from Best Buy lol.
Peka_Fais  +   528d ago
NVIDIA HAS NO GAMES that fully open potential of gtx560 i even dont say about 680...
TechnicianTed  +   528d ago
Nvidia has plenty of games that utilise the gtx560 very well. What do you mean exactly? If it's about this nonsense that pc components don't get utilized to their fullest, I will say that they do actually.

Nvidia make a point of updating their drivers to use the graphics cards to their maximum as much as possible. And regularly.

If they can update a driver to work in a specific environment, they do so. And they do it much better than AMD.
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Peka_Fais  +   528d ago
How many games use tesselation that you actually see? I mean the real difference between off/on tesselation.Answer- 1,5(crysis3 and patch for crysis 2)
I mean publishers dont care about videocard power and possibilities.They just care about how many steam user buy hats
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the worst   528d ago | Trolling | show
Drainage  +   528d ago
oh shii next gen is here . next gen doesnt start til nvidia says it DOES
isyourhouseonfire   528d ago | Trolling | show
TheKayle  +   528d ago
also if will be in 2016 ...this is the figure that explain how the console (at least we know the power of ps4 176gb/s :/ ) will keep our beloved pc....down....
Godmars290  +   528d ago
Is there really a "Next-Gen" as far as PCs are concerned?
Qrphe  +   528d ago
There are generations of GPUs and CPUs but definitely not generations of systems in the way most of these comments seem to imply.
FlyingFoxy  +   528d ago
Hopefully their next GPU's won't be marginal improvements with a massive cost difference *cough* Mars and Titan cards. I'll see what AMD bring next, maybe HD 8000 series, whichever though i'll be getting a high end card for source engine 2, 1080p 60fps baby!!.
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PS4OUR  +   528d ago
It seems no matter what article gets posted the inevitable PC vs console argument always pops up.
And just a big LOL to PC users having to spell out that 1TB/s transfer rate blows the PS4's 180GB/s rate out of the water. Well, no s*** sherlock.
Sigh. Carry on...
bub16  +   528d ago
Sony doesn't want it
leogets  +   528d ago
just another upgrade. pshhhhh,current high end computers don't even get to use its potential for games. what's the point in that power if its never appreciated apart from tech demos.. I have a Lamborghini but I live in the desert.

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