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Sophistocrat   555d ago | Spam
Bumpmapping  +   555d ago
Wow so that means the rumors where true!
Smurf1  +   555d ago
They were true. Kotaku had seen the documentation.
subtenko  +   554d ago
What is this is all just to throw is off the trail? Opinions please. Also, if kinect is built it, it must have a wide angle lens because it depends where the xbox is put.. Whats the difference from xbox always being online to being online anyway when you sign in? Do people mean always be on? (like iphone). Right now M$ just has me confused atm.
SilentNegotiator  +   554d ago
The "evidence" of a raid at this point is a twitter post. It could easily just be a publicity stunt.
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xursz  +   554d ago
If it smells like a publicity stunt, it's probably a publicity stunt. I agree.

Also, any confirmation by Kotaku should immediately be disregarded. People should know that by now.
krepler  +   554d ago
How could he be posting on twitter over two hour span if he had all of his electronics taken from him?

He has tweeted that he has “no phone, nothing”.. That line itself makes no sense.
darthv72  +   554d ago
this is the internet people
i mean if a guy can think his girlfriend (who he never met) just died and be made a laughing stock.

Who is to say this isnt all staged by this superdae guy as well. People will do anything for drama and attention.

Sounds more like trying to steal thunder from sony's big day.
BitbyDeath  +   554d ago
Found the original article for those interested.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/20...

In a nutshell :

-8GB RAM
-500GB HDD
-Kinect in everybox and required to be on at all times.
-360 controllers won't work with it
-It can run multiple games/apps at once
-Blu-ray is included but it can't play games, only install them. Every game must be run off the HDD (must be an anti-piracy thing)
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solid_warlord  +   555d ago
SuperDAE is well known as a legit source. Multiple sources backed his spec of nextbox dev kit and of his evidence. The only difference is he tried to sell it on ebay.

Usually Dev kits are only given when non-disclosure agreement(NDA) has been signed by devs and publishers. In America, the violation of such is a serious offence. The fact he even was able to sell a dev kit is quite a mystery and let alone illegal but multiple sources have admitted the dev kit is the real deal.
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ChrisW  +   554d ago
And anyone who violates the NDA can have their life made pretty unhappy. SuperDAE may be laughing about the FBI and police in his house now, but wait until he gets the bill for the raid... plus whatever damages lawyers can milk out of him. We will not be hearing from him for quite some time, if ever again.

I'd feel sorry for him, but he perfectly knew what he was doing.
hazardman  +   554d ago
Solid he tried to sell one on ebay but the purchased was blocked from what I read in a previous article. Anyway this guy is dumb for even trying to sell in first place. Another thing does anyone know if the SuperGae guy is a developer? I'm trying to know how he got his hands on not just one but two dev kits!!
B-radical  +   555d ago
No fbi in australia= no raid you been trolled xbox leaks prob a troll also
Zechs34  +   555d ago
Whoa!

We have an insider here.

Thanks for your contributions and very helpful info.

At this point, we don't have all the details.
N311V  +   554d ago
The FBI have agents posted all over the world ( http://www.fbi.gov/contact-... It's not unheard of for the FBI and Australian Federal Police to work together. The two countries are close allies after all.
clearelite  +   554d ago
either way, a day before possible PS4 reveal = possible, obvious publicity stunt.
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Steadyhndz  +   554d ago
This wasn't a move made by Australian law enforcement...America has Embassies all over the world, regardless of this, when you have a multi-billion dollar company involved, they can get any government to do anything.
solid_warlord  +   554d ago
No but Australia have better than FBI. Australia have KBI or Kangaroo bureau of Investigation. The Kangaroos have have stopped violent games being sold throghout Aussi territory.
OneAboveAll  +   554d ago
Oh really? Go ask Kim Dotcom...
Axe99  +   554d ago
It'd be news over here (Australia) if the FBI did a raid - it's pretty unusual - the Kim Dotcom thing was all over the news for days, and he was in NZ. And there's no way the FBI could do a raid without the Australian Authorities - that would be all kind of illegal, and an international incident (imagine if the Australian Police were doing raids in the US!)
BISHOP-BRASIL  +   554d ago
Axe99 is completely right, even though FBI have agents all around the world working on embassies (just like every other federal police from any country), they will only work on foreign cases under special circunstances, one always being the local government agreeing with the action (in this case, a raid) and, usually, said government controlling the operation, not USA government.

Going against it isn't a simply violation of jurisdiction, it's a violation of sovereignty, i.e. can be technically ruled as an act of war depending on local legislation.

That said, in the Twitter it's said he had 1 FBI Agent and 7-8 other police officers raiding the house, he never said there were a bunch of FBI agents, so if those other police officers are australian it's actually possible. In fact I suspect the protocol would be along those lines, Aussie government and police would agree, excecute and comand the action asked by US government, which would designate one FBI agent to oversee it, represent US in the warrant and report back.

But I too agree with Axe99 that this kind of action would generate quite a media fuss. Also we would of had some evidence on the internet.. I mean, your neighbour just got raided by FBI in Australia? Come'on, that's youtube material right there!
joeorc  +   554d ago
@Bumpmapping
"Wow so that means the rumors where true!"

Well if that is a Very "Big if" He was in fact raided, it could have been for many thing's besides this, but the fact that" the warrant only really mentions "Microsoft", "eBay", "Paypal".

If that is the case it's Most likely about the information that was released to public more than anything, the Dev kit is one thing but releasing Info to the public that you are under NDA not to disclose unless under perjury to do so is like privilege!

http://www.finnegan.com/res...

DOING SO ITS AT YOUR Detriment
B1663r  +   554d ago
Well police have raided e-bay auctions for Fraud as well. Say everything he posted was bogus, and was doing it to pump of the auction price of his bogus dev kit, well that would be FRAUD.

Fraud would trigger the criminal element that is now in play, not just the civil remedies of violating an NDA.
fr0sty  +   554d ago
However, when you have several sources confirming the devkit details were not bogus, it typically means his house was raided because he really did have a devkit and really did try to break the law by selling it on ebay. They obviously didn't care so much about the leaks as much as they did him trying to profit from them, hence why Ebay and PayPal were cited on the warrant. Him trying to profit from it is where he crossed the line. The idiot should have known better.

I'm normally against police raids of any kind, but this guy took something that (legally) wasn't his and tried to sell it. I can't sympathize with that.
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zeal0us  +   554d ago
I guess SuperDae isn't having such a super day anymore.
Sharp  +   554d ago
haha funny man :D
Viper7  +   554d ago
Unless attention is what he was after.

Some people just want to see the world burn, and don't really care what happens to themselves. They can fine him what ever they want but I wouldn't expect him to pay any of it.
UnholyLight  +   552d ago
Except SuperDae could be in some seriously deeper shit than he expected Viper7! haha. He broke the NDA so that right there has some HUGE consequences, not to mention trying to sell the dev kits ON TOP OF THAT..Not using their head very well I would say...how stupid is he/she?
3-4-5  +   554d ago
You can always tell how close to the truth you are by how people in power react. If they pay it no attention it means they know better, if they go after that person it means they've gotten too close to the truth.
greenpowerz  +   554d ago
Dam a lot of people in here still wishing these specific rumors are not true trying trying to make a mountian out of a mole hill.

This BS about Kinect always being on as an excuse to cover up what they're really mad about which are the specs themselves is ridiculous. KInect cameras have settings which can stop using the video or set to not share online.

This myth of KInect always spying sending video to others and MSFT is an ignorant at best and slander at worst.

Godmars290 You are upset the dude said the xbox was an impressive graphical powerhouse and you stir up mondane sh!T to draw the attention from the stuff xbox owners really care about.
DOMination-  +   554d ago
Why the hell does this random guy in Australia even have dev kits or documentation anyway? Providing its true of course
Qrphe  +   555d ago
This pretty much confirms the specs. That next-gen Xbox document from a while back was also confirmed by Microsoft when they put legal effort into taking it down.
Link079  +   554d ago
So gpu is not quite up there with WiiU what a shame.
fr0sty  +   554d ago
Not sure where you got that info. Wii U's GPU still gets smoked by both "Durango" and "Orbis". According to the leaks Durango's GPU is a bit weaker than PS4/Orbis... lacking 2 shader cores and 4 compute cores if I remember right (I think Durango has 12 and orbis 18). Maybe even a slower clock speed as well, but I don't remember the specifics.

Edit: Looks like I was right. From Eurogamer:

"Here's where we see our first point of divergence: GPU rendering is all about spreading the computational load across many cores and we find that the new Xbox has 12 of these "Compute Units" (CUs), while Orbis has 18 - a 50 per cent advantage. "
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3-4-5  +   554d ago
Why don't people understand that games are made differently now.

That is still like saying a car is better because it has more Horsepower....it makes it have greater top end speed, but doesn't make it a better overall car.

Because new tech has factored into how car...in this case games....are made.

We hardly understand anything about it really.
EbeneezerGoode  +   554d ago
@ 3-4-5 No, *you* hardly understand anything about it (really).

Better specs are better. End of story. If 'modern methods' of making games makes better use of tech then it can apply to Sony as well as MS so? you end up with EVEN better games again (on PS4) if the tech is 'better'.

That is, given the same game and each system pushed to it's max capabilities.

And these are games consoles. This gen has been a long drawn out one, and with all the casual stuff and tablets/phones taking over a lot of core gamers are once more ready for a PROPER focussed games console with raw power. There is never any way that 'less power' is better when it comes to gaming, if so we'd have stuck with the SNES or AMIGA or PS1 all these years.

We need/want more power onwards and upwards until games STOP looking like cartoons and start feeling like real experiences, so jaded gamers can start feeling excited again. There's only so many varieties of games and things you can do within them, until tech changes/advances, and we should always be keen to see that happen!
DarkBlood  +   555d ago
havent notice the leaks myself but looks like the cat is out of the bag

may not do good for thier own hype at this point
Link079  +   554d ago
The stock version of the WiiU gpu scores a massive 5870 in mark vantage thats proper perfomance ie testing on games ect,and this is higher than a HD4850 which has the same terraflops as the 720 chip ? Nintendo will make the E6760 more efficient lower the clock speed a little but with on board EDRAM ect ect it's basically a Memory heavy E6760 that will score alot better in its modified form.

720 has a HD6670 go look it up all i know is if devs dont try u will get the same performance but the E6760 is better.
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dcbronco  +   554d ago
Actually I've never looked at that GPU being a problem, if there is more than one. I believe the next Xbox will heavily rely on HSA. That GPU has Accelerated Parallel Processing. I believe it is just the foundation for Microsoft engineers to build their own GPU. They will use updated modifications to get a ton of power from it and their advancements in HSA will allow them to get better efficiency out of having several CPUs and GPUs. It will all equal a very powerful console.
nix  +   555d ago | Funny
"Microsoft Is Changing the Console Experience"

at least this guy is learning it first hand.
shivvy24  +   555d ago
HAHAHA you sir deserve a bubble !
Psn800  +   554d ago
Yeaaaaaaaaaaah............
BanBrother  +   554d ago
Man not even World of Warcraft players could pull a raid off with that much insane precision.
Ripsta7th  +   555d ago
"His leaks were pretty accurate and he also had almost 90 pages of documentation, which clearly shows that he violated the NDA and used it to make some money. This raid is a clear indication that Microsoft isn’t happy with all the leaks, and it remains to be seen what happens."

Sounds like MS doesnt play games lol
Sophistocrat   555d ago | Spam
joeorc  +   554d ago
@Sophistocrat
"'Cos they're butt hurt poon pops... Microsoft and Apple are both crybaby pearl snorklers. As I said, Micro is just mad because now we all know they have the inferior console when stacked up to sony's, but more importantly Sony themselves now know it, too. This makes Micro look even more foolish and pathetic than they already are"

Really? come on the same thing was said about Sony and George Hotz, When you get a game system Developer or no developer reverse engineering the software or its security is a no no . The reason is because it not only protects your end but also the companies ability to make a standard playing experience across each and every sysyrm. if you break that chain it causes disruption to not just one part it can cause disruption to every system in the chain.

Hey if it's just your self that's one thing but as soon as you go public its going to effect everyone else. Because of his leak that may in fact be real, Microsoft's protected information about such product is no longer under that Aegis, So in effect it could damage the trade secret that was not ready to be disclosed thus the expense of product's for its security can prematurely be compromised thanks in part to someone who did it under NDA not to do such action's THAT IT IS WHY YOU SIGN SUCH CONTRACTS IN THE FIRST PLACE! you are under oath to keep your mouth shut.

its his own fault, or does the rules not apply to him?

this is not "i can do what ever i want" mentality this is reality, this is a legal binding contract you do something to void that and you will have to suffer the results for such action's.

He knew what he was doing was not a smart thing to do , but yet he did it anyway. if this is in fact true once you break NDA's no other company i doubt very much would ever want to work with him again. That is the least of his problems at this point.
dcbronco  +   554d ago
@Sophistocrat

If you understood what he released on a deeper level you might be able to figure out things about the hardware that Microsoft wasn't ready to reveal yet. No one really knows what the parts in the next Xbox or PS4 can do yet. Chip makers assume a lot of things that time proves are wrong. But releasing specs and identifying parts will make Sony look at those parts and start trying to figure out why they chose those specific parts. And using that and other information you know about Microsoft could lead to figure out more about their machines potential.

And common sense should tell you that if it was so unimportant, both Sony and Microsoft would just release all of the informtion on all of their parts.
Megaton  +   555d ago | Funny
Nothing like a police raid to confirm weak specs.
blue_flowers  +   555d ago
lol
Qrphe  +   555d ago
I'm not fond of the consoles wars, but this is hilarious.
shivvy24  +   555d ago
funniest shit ive reAD IN A WHILE
kingmushroom  +   554d ago
lmao
greenpowerz  +   554d ago
WEAK specs? Those specs were impressive hense the reason it's got you guys trolling so much angry and nervous voting these specific rumors as fake on N4G front page compared to other rumors showing weaker specs LMAO. You suckers are in denial.

This Kinect always being on is causing gamers to be willfully ignorant.

@DigitalSmoke #23.2.2

That's because pro Sony media used the best PS4 rumor specs and the worst 720 specs to apoint PS4 as the winner. PS3 fanboys and pro Sony media ignored the leaked doc specs and and tried to dismiss katoku specs which showed the same very impressive specs the first leaked docs showed.

PS3 fanboys tried to mix and match rumors to confuse gamers and to attack the 720. The specs of the 720 are impressive which is why the spin campaign started with anti MSFT people looking for the worst 720 rumor specs they could find to compare the best PS4 rumor specs.
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tommygunzII  +   554d ago
That was some funny shit xD
MasterCornholio  +   555d ago
If his rumors are true than Microsoft will force every 720 owner to use Kinect. I honestly don't like the sound of that.

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Ripsta7th  +   555d ago
I just read the leaks on Kotaku and im pretty sure its gonna be ps4 for me this next gen, im just not feeling the always watching me camera. not cool
Kurt Russell  +   554d ago
Bugger... your finally found it eh? (<.<) (>.>) *slinks away*
shackdaddy  +   554d ago
PC for non-bugged out ports+exclusives; WiiU&PS3 for exclusives.

Perfect combo...
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NoobJobz  +   554d ago
Yep, thats the one thing that I really don't like. Now, I don't know if it will stop me from buying it, but it does seem a little iffy.
MightyMatt101  +   555d ago
Well this confirms 99% that the specs are true. That doesn't mean it's set in stone but hey we'll see soon. Microsoft has to respond to Sony soon after the 20th.
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MultiConsoleGamer  +   555d ago
Hey guys...

Fake.
Godmars290  +   554d ago
Going to have to do better than just say "fake" like a link to evidence.
kingmushroom  +   554d ago
Hey guys....

a Raid
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Temporary  +   554d ago
At this point the raid is the most solid evidencne we've received so far on this subject. Poor microsoft, weak console next gen, hopefully they have something other than kinect garbage to play.
Godmars290  +   554d ago
All that says is that some guy broke an NDA and tried to sell a dev kit.

Didn't the guys who used a dev kit to jailbreak the PS3, posed as devs bought one and reversed engineered it, get arrested too?

Or where they more smart and not sell it on Ebay.
Cyfyxtfg  +   554d ago
Icy
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josephayal  +   554d ago
Agent X-720
j-blaze  +   554d ago
he deserve it
Saleem101  +   554d ago
I guess those leaks was true the next xbox specs was inferior to ps4 specs wow talk about 180...
cleverusername  +   554d ago
Bragging about being arrested? Very adult!!!
TripC50  +   554d ago
Yeah This guy just ruined his life and doesn't even know it.
stage88  +   554d ago
So looks like its true that Microsoft's new xbox will be always online and Kinect will always be watching you.

Related image(s)
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Neo-Axl  +   554d ago
Brrr.. kinda makes you shiver, always being watched.
Seeing as this pretty much confirms the specs to a degree, I only hope the Kinect always being on is false, that alone will pull away alot of consumers that like to know what the product does before they buy it.. like me.
VonBraunschweigg  +   554d ago
C'mon now, they only watch you to determine your personal situation so the ads made by that new Santa Monica studio are suitable for you.

If your poor, you don't want to see ads for Ferrari everyday. They have specific programs lined up for the rich, the poor, the fat and the ugly, so it's actually a good thing they care so much about you.

It's not like you won't be able to play CoD all day butnaked, they're not going to switch it off to get some rest or tell you to get your pants back on. I think.
DigitalSmoke  +   554d ago
The released specs where not impressive, but they where true though.

MS mad brah?
kingmushroom  +   554d ago
mad enough to raid some guys basement
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mr_kubrick  +   554d ago
trolling as usual...how is the weather in kazs ass?
VonBraunschweigg  +   554d ago
Cloudy with a chance of meatballs!

So no poncho needed:)
DigitalSmoke  +   554d ago
Trolling?

Multiple reports put the 2 development stations against eachother and tech wise the Xbox was far less impressive then that of the Playstation.

Don't get your personal feelings mixed up dude, what i stated is true, and "MS IS Mad Brah" sending FBI after the guy who leaked it.

Don't get crazy son.
mr_kubrick  +   554d ago
@Smokey

The only one mad is you taking rumors and twitter-australian-fbi-stories way too serious...
Lvl_up_gamer  +   554d ago
Not from the reports I am reading.

From what I have read, the 720 will be just as powerful as the PS4 but will be able to handle the work load much more efficiently then the PS4.

Anyone who actually understood how the 720's custom APU works and the move functions combined with the 8gb DDR3 RAM would see that this custom set up is more powerful then the off the self PC parts that Sony is using to create their mid-range PC PS4.

Most of the sites didn't understand what the "secret sauce" was or how it functioned. Now that reports have come out regarding what the "secret sauce" is and how it works, reports are starting to sing a different tune.

It's easy to simply just look at the hard specs and make a judgement call, especially when you deliberately over look components and functions simply because you don't understand them.

This is a good read. I strongly suggest you read it.

http://www.microsofttransla...
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sGIBMBR  +   554d ago
Wasting your time trying to explain anything to these ignorant fanboys mate!
Zefros  +   554d ago
But what was the specs again?
ajax17  +   554d ago
Yeah,
F.B.I. only works in the United States.
C.I.A. only works outside the United States. Just thought I'd clear that up for anyone who didn't know...
Stoppokingme  +   554d ago
FBI have worked with ASIO a number of times.

He was either screwed by MS or he's in it for himself.

And who tweets that they've been raided?
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ajax17  +   554d ago
Yeah, like, oh the F.B.I. is here, but there cool with me tweeting for a bit.
OpenGL  +   554d ago
Since 9/11 the CIA no longer works exclusively outside the U.S. but on top of that the CIA has no interest in copyright laws, contract violations, or pretty much any other legal issue not involved with terrorism or espionage.
ATi_Elite  +   554d ago
FBI also work outside the United States!

(FBI were sent to Saudi Arabia to examine Terrorist Attack crime scene)

CIA also work inside the United States!

(they played several roles in Drug Cartel arrest in Texas)
ALLWRONG  +   554d ago
No on all points www.google.com <<< use it
BlackTar187  +   554d ago
All wrong are you saying he is lying?

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-se...
ALLWRONG  +   554d ago
Those FBI agents were consultants. FBI has no official jurisdiction outside the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... helps to know what the FBI actually does before you start spewing nonsense.
user9841288  +   554d ago
dude you're all stupid the sega genesis is WAY BETTER!
ZeV  +   554d ago
It's smelling the end for Microsoft and i'm very glad ! With a Durango that blocks the second hand market,makes mandatory the shitty Kinect for variable authentification,and an internet connection with a permanently mandatory system...
Shitty GPU,Shitty hardware etc...Too much huh ?

Solution ? Buy PS4 with a better services like PS Plus and free online gaming...I don't talk about PS4 hardware that totally blows Durango haha !

MS,the war is over now,losers !
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aviator189  +   554d ago
yeah....i'm going to just stop looking at n4g comments now..
BlackTar187  +   554d ago
rumor need to be confirmed otherwise you sipping the kool aid a bit to heavy
jp_footy2  +   554d ago
I really hope Xbox 720 is a super powerful beast because that would be excellent for multi-platform titles.
DivineAssault  +   554d ago
MS had to have been pretty pissed off to send in the feds after his a$$.. anyway, i wouldnt count MS out just cuz their system might not be as powerful as sonys.. If they get good exclusive games, i still want one.. I just doubt they will unfortunately.. They havent really put out anything i wanted in over 3 years.. The witcher 2 was one exception but that wasnt even 1st party.. I hope they turn things around & dont go the casual family fun entertainment route with just the 3rd party games to be all thats appealing.. We will see soon enough i guess but id wait before jumping the gun on the system being a piece of junk.. Their 1st party games dont seem to be made to target core gamers anymore besides halo n gears.. That whole kinect route for casuals is what theyve been focusing on & that really sucks
aiBreeze  +   554d ago
So this guy breaks an NDA and that warrants the police and fbi to raid his house and take all his computer/phone etc? America.. the land of the free.. if you're a big rich company.
Psychotica  +   554d ago
And you don't break the law
aiBreeze  +   554d ago
The point being that if it was some poor company who had their NDA broken, the fbi/police wouldn't even want to know, yet it's the big M and all of a sudden they're raiding the guy's house.
cl1983  +   554d ago
This happened in Australia.
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