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dirigiblebill  +   632d ago | Well said
Really hope not. Broadband isn't universal yet, and taking away a customer's rights is a fine way to ensure they stop being a customer.
Irishguy95  +   632d ago
Not taking away rights.

You can sell your disk if you want(your right). The software will not work on multiple systems. Same thing that has been done on PC for...a long long time.

However I agree that it is BS
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theBAWSE  +   632d ago
I don't believe it until its official as this would be a disastrous move by ms
Thrillhouse  +   632d ago
If it's true, it's still BS.

I can't even lend a copy of a game to a friend without them having to jump through hoops to play it, if they can at all?

Lame.
Bathyj  +   632d ago
And I was going to ask to borrow Bonestorm off you.
onyoursistersback  +   632d ago
Bone storm...? Lol, ok I see what you did there.
:)
AAACE5  +   632d ago | Well said
This is waht ms and sony want to do. Both have been pushing for this! Which is another reason im not in a rush for the next gen.

We can bash nintendo all we want but at least they arent trying sh!t like this!
aCasualGamer  +   632d ago
Not only is it not universal, but imagine how often people get disconnected because their internet providers have screwed up. That would mean a shitload of angry gamers who can't play their offline games.
theBAWSE  +   632d ago
if Sony do this aswell ps4 can suck eggs....ill buy a wii u and nothing else
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Old McGroin  +   632d ago
"don't believe it until its official as this would be a disastrous move by ms "

Yup, I'll believe the solid facts when the solid facts are presented to me. If this is true then MS can kiss goodbye to my cash anyway.
They can't continue to sell online games at such extortionate prices and then also rule out the possibility of even selling their consoles in retail stores like Gamestop because they would be destroying Gamestop's second hand trade.
I'm already sick of having to pay to play online with Xbox games, if these rumours are true MS are gonna lose a hell of a lot of ground on Sony.
NewMonday  +   632d ago
"Always online" this is so stupid it is hard to believe, insures the 720 fails and fails hard.

Another important bit is the one about coding, Edge reports developers say it is easier for them on the PS4, and Sony wants them to code closer to the metal while MS are strict with the libraries
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HITANDRUN  +   632d ago
The more I think about it, the less I see it happening. MS has 75 M out of those 40m are online, if they were to go online only then they will loose 35m, thats a lot of people and from a business model makes no sense. Blocking used games its a high posibility cause 500 store will be close from gamestop, which also tells me that if no used game then no backward compatibility. Both Sony and ms are on my hot list, if they both block used games, then I guess i will go retro with wiiu, this really makes no sense to me. Executive cant be that dumb, I mean I know they loose money from used game, but they will loose more when people dont buy their consoles.
Funky_Homosapien  +   632d ago
how are you sure that the activation code doesn't bind to the console thus not allowing you to sell or lend it to your friend? or did i read it wrong please explain...
Funky_Homosapien  +   632d ago
i thought activation code binds to console thus not letting you sell or lend?
rainslacker  +   632d ago
Activation codes usually bind to account. Doesn't have to be that way as technology exist to digitally sign the physical disc, but account makes more sense.
xursz  +   632d ago
I can see Microsft ditching xbox live gold and sticking with this always online nonsense.
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Yi-Long  +   632d ago
If True...
"Bye Bye Microsoft! It's been fun but we've grown apart."
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Kurt Russell  +   632d ago
I've been a more XBOX swayed gamer for the last 2 Generations (not that I don't play and own the others mind you. I can put up with paying for LIVE and the stupid amounts of advertising on my dash board because I really do get a lot of use out of some of its exclusive features (cross game chat is on about 90% of the time I am on)... But I won't be investing in an online only content restricting closed off machine like this article proposes. Hopefully it's just BS rumour, but if it's true... see ya!
EVILDEAD360  +   632d ago
This is completely false anyways.

But it's fun to see the meltdown when these hilarious rumors get dropped.

Next gen will be completely the same as this one, with both MS and Sony fixing some of the issues that plagued them this gen.

The Used game market will continue, but digital distro will became more of the norm as movies already have.

Evil
Nevers  +   632d ago
I've had a couple auditions for Microsoft and several affiliates in the Seattle area lately where I've been given sides that have this language in it... "Always On, Always Connected".

I'm pretty sure this is going to be a reality... doesn't really excite me at all.
Red_Orange_Juice  +   632d ago
If lived in example in UK and could in theory buy 30-40 brand new games month then it isnt a big deal. Unfortunately I can afford only ~10 games where I live and used games are crusial the only alternative is PC piracy
pixelsword  +   632d ago
Well XboX, if true, we had a nice run.

I'll Miss Cole and Marcus,

Cortana and Chief,

but I won't buy this if that's what's the future is like.

I don't want to be online all of the time for a single player game, that's just taking away bandwidth from other computers on my network, and I play on my downtime whilst my computers are downloading and stuff.

I really hope this isn't true.
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fr0sty  +   632d ago
LOL:
CEO Kaz Hirai CEO Kaz Hirai ‏@KazHiraiCEO

It looks like Microsoft are stealing our ideas again. Our consoles haven't been able to play used XBOX games for years
sobekflakmonkey  +   632d ago
dont know why people disagreed with you, that's true, there has never been a case in PC gaming's history where you could sell an old game and have someone be able to use 100% of it, other than like...greenmangaming?

But yeah, I doubt microsoft is dumb enough to do that, and I reallllyyyyy doubt they are gonna make it so you have to have an internet connection to use the console, so don't worry Xbox fans, that can't possibly happen.
ThanatosDMC  +   632d ago
This is going to suck for Gamefly, if true.
AzaziL  +   632d ago
Just for the "can't borrow a game to a friend" reason alone is why I can't see this happening on consoles and if it did, it would be a career suicide to whoever decided it was a good idea.
Dee_91  +   632d ago
I dont believe for one second that they would make a console that require internet connection.
im calling malarkey
Yi-Long  +   631d ago
@Azazil
"Just for the "can't borrow a game to a friend" reason alone is why I can't see this happening on consoles and if it did, it would be a career suicide to whoever decided it was a good idea."

Considering the amount of really poor/bad decisions Microsoft has been making these last 3-4 years, it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be true...
Gaming101  +   631d ago
By locking up the software, you're taking away people's rights to resell what they just bought. You didn't just buy a useless disc, you paid 60 bucks for a full experience, however you can only sell a useless disc. BS.

Definitely not buying the next xbox, this leaves Sony wide open with a huge opportunity to allow used games, that alone will be enough to sweep next gen.
gaffyh  +   631d ago
Not good, three quarters of this title are BAD. Only positive is Bluray discs and no more disc swapping.
aceitman  +   632d ago | Well said
If true,I will not be getting it.
HammadTheBeast  +   632d ago
No one should get it, this is basically making yourself a slave to Microsoft. Any other company that does this is also not getting my sale, I'd rather just switch to PC.
sticky doja  +   632d ago
Maybe next console gen after the Xbox3/PS4 they can get away with requiring always online but they will be alienating WAY to many potential customers who

1) don't have broadband
2) don't have wifi or internet reaching every room where the console might be played

It will not happen but if it did I would also not be getting it out of principle.
abzdine  +   632d ago
get PS4 with PS+! Free online free games pure awesomeness!
hellvaguy  +   632d ago
"No one should get it, this is basically making yourself a slave to Microsoft. Any other company that does this is also not getting my sale, I'd rather just switch to PC"

"Slaves" to the most popular method of purchasing games on the pc, thru Steam, say hi. Hehe so much for your PC rant.

But I see what you mean, at least you have a choice. I myself dont like all the clutter of dvd's and used game boxes all over the place is why I prefer digital downloads, but I get it's not for everyone.
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Saigon  +   632d ago
Can someone explain what this means:

"Studios working with the next-gen Xbox are currently being forced to work with only approved development libraries, while Sony is encouraging coders to get closer to the metal of its box"

Just trying to understand what edge meant by this and its about time we get more information on the next XBox.
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zebramocha  +   632d ago
@Saigon it sounds like Ms doesn't want third party to get the max out of the 720 because "close to the metal",if remember right is a program amd invented to extract max performance out of their processor.
rainslacker  +   632d ago
@zeb

Maybe. Close to Metal from AMD is a low level programming interface, and as such it could be one of the approved libraries that was mentioned in the article. It basically allows low level access to functions within the GPU through an API layer with less need to write complicated assembly code.

Close to the metal could also refer to Sony allowing developers to directly access the hardware on the system bypassing established libraries or API's, which in theory could improve performance in the hands of a skilled programmer. It's often referred to as assembly language, where a line of code corresponds to a single machine code instruction.
Bathyj  +   632d ago
I think rainslacker is right.

I heard that phrase years ago in PS2 days and my impression was it meant not relying so much on the ready made libraries enabling potentially better performance. Close to the metal means programing more directly to the hardware.

At least thats what I thought at the time. My guess is that the AMD program was named after that phrase.
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rainslacker  +   632d ago
Close to the metal predates the PS2 by a long time. In fact in the early days of micro processors quite a bit of programming was done in assembly. Close to Metal is just a way to describe what's going on with the code, or in AMD's case a trademark to describe their API.

With the PS2, Sony allowed quite a bit of low level functionality with the emotion engine. In fact the emotion engine was designed to be highly programmable to allow it to be used the way programmers needed to for a particular purpose. That kind of thing can really only be done with assembly, as the very nature of a high level API doesn't do that.
Athonline  +   632d ago
As a software developer I think it means MS is doing what they always do: Try to push their own SDKs/APIs over others and avoid using "universal" standards. They are doing this since around 2000. Most recent example? WebRTC. All companies agreed to use WebRTC as the standard protocol for P2P over a browser, expect MS.

I said it in the past: MS will try to push DirectX and thus make the games easily "ported" to Windows 8 store.

Sony is most likely to use OpenGl for PS4, which in reality allows games to be more easily ported to other platforms as OpenGl is a free, open standard, unlike DirectX which is a MS enforced one. Thus Sony from the sentence is most likely encouraging developers to "hack" the console, by allowing a low level access to hardware resources management. In example allow them to manually assign which blocks from an array to be loaded to specific parts of RAM or which thread each core should process...
nukeitall  +   632d ago
I'm a programmer, so let me clear this lingo up.

When somebody says, "close to the metal" it actually means as close to binary language as possible which is the native language every part of your computer (or your console) speaks. It means it *CAN* be considerably more efficient, but has drawbacks such as hugely more tedious, more error prone and the efficiency is only tied to as good as the programmer is. If you are a poor programmer, then the result might be disastrous. It also means, it's harder to port, emulate or otherwise change as it is considerably harder to read the code.

By using libraries it is generally considerably easier to use, sometimes faster (because some smart dude making gazillion figure it out), and allows for far more flexibility.

If you do something weird close to the metal, you might find out on the next dash update your game doesn't work anymore. However, if you are good you will reap performance benefits. However, this might significantly screw up the potential to update the OS.

There is pro's and con's to each approach, but I would have thought Sony would have learned from MS to make it easy on the programmer. Generally, the performance gap is negligible at this stage and the one with the easiest to harness power from is usually the winner.

@rainslacker:

It doesn't need to be assembly, but is commonly assembly. Binary is the native language, but assembly is one step away from binary.

@Athonline:

Actually, this strategy is both what Sony and MS has been pursuing this entire generation. MS makes ready made libraries for almost anything. That is one of the big reasons Xbox 360 is perceived to be easier to program for.

While on the PS3, you do have to do a lot of the heavy lifting yourself, but has resulted in significant more resources poured into research to obtain those results.
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rainslacker  +   632d ago
nuke is right as well. Although to your counter point I doubt any programmers for games are writing machine code directly, so it is often referred to as assembly because that is what is most often used.:) I'm not even sure that it would be possible to write machine code in that fashion for these machines, and there isn't much need to in the first place.

The PS2 did have a couple games that didn't work on newer iterations of the hardware, although I can't remember what they were specifically. I don't think they were big name titles. The heavy use of assembly may have been the reason why.

MS approach to programming in almost everything is to make it easier on the programmer. Visual studio is powerful in it's flexibility and overall simplicity, but it comes at a cost of leaner, sometimes more efficient code. I've found myself often writing my own libraries for simpler things because of the bloat associated with their C libraries.

The only IDE I've used for Sony is their PS Mobile Suite which had less bloat in the interface, but suffered from using Mono thus working on a application layer which added it back in. It was simple enough to use however. PS Mobile is a different beast than their console libraries though so I can't really speak to those.

Perhaps part of the reason the Cell was so hard to program for was lack of pre-defined libraries, but some of it was also due to the architecture of the chip itself. The cell, much like the Emotion Engine, was highly programmable. To take away that "close to metal" approach could have seriously hampered it's capabilities.

I do agree with you on the pros and cons of each side though. It really all comes down to what the developers need to achieve, and what they are targeting for release. Either way, nowadays with so much middle ware for making games it may not even be as important, but still nice to have I suppose.
subtenko  +   631d ago
Its random filler BS for a stupid article, nothing new LOL XD
nirwanda  +   631d ago
Because of thing like the move engines and the compression/decompression chips in the gpu if you don't program with this compression you would lose what these chip were designed to do.
HITANDRUN  +   632d ago
If I cant change games on it and buddies not able to bring their games on 720 I wont buy a 720. Always online? I dont think thats the case, not everyone like to be connected, I hope MS is not stupid enough to do this cause it will be a disaster for them. Main reason I buy for consoles and not pc its cause I dont need to register the bs game and then only let you installed in 2 pcs with same IP. Well, will see what happens. To think I was going to go with 720 this time around, lol, well I guess ps4.
JeffGUNZ  +   632d ago
Easy, it's just a rumor and I highly doubt this to be true.
Jazz4108  +   632d ago
Its pretty obvious to me edge is trying to get ms to talk about there next gen console. No way this will be true as the infrastructure is not there and would cost ms business and ms does not operate that way. As far as close to the metal think 360. The cell was the furtherst thing from that. They both are using pc architecture which will allow more comparartive third party games this round.
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neogeo  +   632d ago
This makes m miss the old 16bit days again
Max Power  +   632d ago
I bet you'd still have to pay yearly for live too.
morkendo23  +   632d ago
"NO SECOND HAND GAMES ONLINE CONNECTION ONLY"

WTF / is microsoft trying to control masse gamers with this only option leaving out physical disc disbrution?
if this their master plan i will end my gaming after sony stop supporting ps3 i like owning my games,touching my games.
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Abdou23  +   632d ago
Good Luck to anyone buying into this.
Good_Guy_Jamal  +   632d ago
No second hand games? No offline? No buy. SONY, your move buddy.
That Wii U is looking mighty tasty round bout now.
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gumgum99  +   632d ago
I concur.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   632d ago
I can't see this as being true. How does requiring internet connection in order to use Xbox benefit MS in anyway? I can't see them taking the risk on blocking used games either.

50GB Blu-Ray discs and Kinect 2 shipping with every Xbox seems plausible however. So this rumor is like half the info it contains mostly likely won't happen while the other half mostly likely will happen.

I just can't see MS demanding that all their consumers have internet connection in order to use their product. All they are really doing is limiting the amount of people that will buy it. Doesn't make sense to me.
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akaakaaka  +   632d ago
how does charging to play online when other don't, seem logical to you?
ohh wait f$%# ..
dcbronco  +   632d ago
I hope that it's not true about being always connected. Unless they plan to provide some kind of access, that cuts out a lot of people that either don't have or don't want Internet. Not sure who they are, but I'm sure they exist. Plus that would mean no gaming during power outages or service problems. Not acceptable.
showtimefolks  +   632d ago
50GB bluray disk now that would be sweat

A new kinect is to be expected, but if MS talks about it for a long time during their conferences than show bunch of kinect games than I will not buy the system. Support your core gamers but MS sees the casual wii crowd and they see kinect games selling so as usual they will forget about us. I hope I am wrong but over the last 3 years ms have proved that they only care about selling kinect and going after casual

Always online will means no buy for a lot of people including myself

If MS execs are dumb enough to push no used games TNA. Bye bye MS it was nice seeing you In gaming

I don't think any company is so dumb to block used games and always online for this gen
If they charge for multiplayer I am not getting it. Also this rumor won't help.
born2live  +   631d ago
Funny, we just had a similar conversation a few days ago - this is how big corporations are taking our consumer's rights away from us...
Crazyglues  +   632d ago
Wow so I guess I'm only getting a PS4 next gen..

Was going to get both, but if this is true this sucks, I play a lot offline (single player campaign)... epic fail Microsoft.. you can keep your Next Xbox

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Theyellowflash30  +   632d ago
You know the report also claims Sony will use NFC Tech to block used games right?

So are you going to ditch the PS4 as well?
Krew_92  +   632d ago
@Theyellowflash30

I don't like either one, but if I were to pick I'd rather be able to play new games offline. Than to be forced to play online all the time.
ArmrdChaos  +   632d ago
Sony actually filed a patent for a method to do this very thing. Enjoy playing your Wii-U next gen. Sounds like it might be a good time to build that new PC...or check out the steam box. I guess we will have to see this year.
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imdaboss1  +   632d ago
I just dont understand why would people pay 50 dollars online when you can do it free for the PS3 and even PC..dont make no sense..if this turn out to be true Microsoft is just takin advantage of xbox fanboys
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imdaboss1  +   632d ago
Dont bring up the Wii U its not even next gen..dont get me wrong it will have nice lookin games but no way it will be in the level of the PS4 or even the next xbox
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MostJadedGamer  +   632d ago
Well that really suck no used games, AND requiring a always online internet connection.

Requiring a always online internet connection is really terible. If your having internet problems or Xbox Live is down you cann't even play a single player game. So you will be totally locked out of your own system.

What happens if I get disconnected when playing a single player(will I be able to pickup where I left off or will I have to restart from my last save point)?

Well the ball is in Sony's court now. If the PS4 doesn't require a always online internet connection the PS4 will be a automatic buy for me while I won't even consider the 720. M$ had better hope Sony goes the same route otherwise the PS4 will have a insurmountable advantage.

One good thing though is the 50GB BluRay discs. That is absolutely massive, and its nice to see them not get rid of disks, but this will only matter if the PS4 also requires always online internet connection. if not I won't even consider a 720. The ball is your court Sony.

Anyway I plan to stick with last gen as long as possible before moving on to either a PS4 or 720.
3-4-5  +   632d ago
always online WON'T work....

If my internet screws up...I should still be able to play all 10 of my games that I payed $60 each for on my $450 xbox.

Does Charmin tell me how much toilet paper I can use after #2 ? I think not.
DarthJay  +   632d ago
I think that is the biggest problem I would have with it. I live in the third largest city in New England and have 30MBPS internet, but a storm rolls through, forget it. I'm losing internet. I have had DirecTV for five years and have lost service less in that entire five years then I have lost internet in the last six months. Hurricane Irene rolled through here and I didn't lose DirecTV ONCE. The second the wind started blowing, internet was gone for a week. I barely watch TV and the only thing that got me through that madness was the fact that I could still play Deus Ex: Human Revolution (it had just come out).

I really, really, really hope there is a way around it. I strongly prefer the Xbox product over the Playstation product and I have ever intention of owning both again, but I also have a $2300 PC with dual 24 inch monitors and a third port I can throw to my TV that I will switch to in a heart beat.
sak500  +   632d ago
It's not as if MS lost money on Xbox360/live model that they want to squeeze last penny out of consumer and restrict their rights. They made billions on the current model and dont think they want to get shoot themselves in teh foot for being so much more greedy.

They already saw the backlash of gamers when it was rumored that PS will have no 2nd hand game protection so why want the want to screw it for themselves.

Probably some idiot wants to create negative feedback for MS's next console.
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otherZinc  +   632d ago
EDGE lost a lot of credibility with this article. This is almost lol wrong. There is so little substance in this article its hilarious.
calis  +   632d ago
There is no way I could believe this is true.

Ignoring the use games, which seems to be more and more a reality these days for both Ps4/720, the online thing is severely limiting your userbase.

I just can't see it happening. It would be suicide.
princejb134  +   632d ago
I'm pretty sure if this is real than Microsoft us aiming only for the United States sales, since I believe almost everyone has Internet in the US
Theangrybogan  +   632d ago
Y'know what I like to do when my Internet is down? I like to play vidya games. If either ms or Sony do anything like this I just won't bother with either of them. If they take away the benefits of console gaming, I'll just make the permanent switch to steam and play with a controller on pc. IMO
Arai  +   632d ago
http://n4g.com/news/1168387...

Posted already, this is a duplicate.
DEATHxTHExKIDx  +   632d ago
this means I cant play games offline anymore?
DeadlyFire  +   632d ago
yup. Basically XBLive becomes Steam/Origin
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DEATHxTHExKIDx  +   632d ago
ooo this kinda sounds like some BS now.
pr0digyZA  +   632d ago
except steam/origin has offline mode.
KontryBoy706  +   632d ago
you actually can play steam games offline though. There's an offline mode. At least Steam and Origin are free also. LOL
DeadlyFire  +   632d ago
Well its to early to know if PSN/XBL let games work offline, but if STEAM/Origin do its likely they will aim to allow it.
USEYOURFIST  +   632d ago
no it means you will need to acivate it online then can play offline...not that thats any better, i sure hope both sony and Ms decide against this
torchic  +   632d ago
oh now I see.

well in that case I could see it happening if Microsoft (and Sony if they decide on this) brought out an app/website where you could activate the game without physically doing it through the console.

not everybody has internet connected to their computers but I'm pretty sure most people who buy consoles have mobile internet on their phones.

I still don't see it happening though.
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Bathyj  +   632d ago
Really?

The only thing I like about this is theyve finally grown out of DVD.
Good_Guy_Jamal  +   632d ago
True, that is commendable, however, I hold no allegiance to nobody but my wallet!
I love my xbox 360 but Microsoft better not get it twisted, I will drop their behinds like a hot sack of potatoes if they go through with any of these things bar the blu ray discs.
Same goes for SONY
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Dread  +   632d ago
Agreed completely.

If MS does this my money goes another way. Same goes to Sony. damn that means Ill have to get the WIIU

o the irony!

Its a rumor so I will not get too upset for now. But Gamestop stock just went down 10%...so a few shareholders must be furious with this rumor. ouch
TheLyonKing  +   632d ago
IF you go even 20 miles outside of any town/city in the u.k internet is slow at best this would be a poor move espcially in underdevloped countries too (interent wise of course)
vikingland1  +   632d ago
Thats the same problem we have in the U.S.A.
DARK WITNESS  +   632d ago
It will be interesting to see what sony bring, if this is ture of MS plans then they can kiss my black A$$ goodbye.
theBAWSE  +   632d ago
My black ass to
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FriedGoat  +   632d ago
My black ass too. I really should stop sliding butt first down the chimney.
bryam1982  +   632d ago
And my brown ass too or is it white? I'm white puerto rican
G20WLY  +   632d ago
Use a mirror - you need to know these things!

...And they can kiss mine too :(
EffectO  +   632d ago
Looks like gaming industry is headed into another crash.It will be fun to watch though.
aiBreeze  +   632d ago
Wow if these sort of rumours are anything to go by, next gen is going to be worse than this gen and that's saying something seeing online passes and content usually included with games taken out to sell for high prices separately being the norm.

What's really concerning about all these rumours is that there is no mention to dedicated servers, imho I won't be able to take Sony nor Microsoft talking about console gaming evolving seriously without dedicated server support for all games.
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jay2  +   632d ago
This is going to course LOTS of problems with this always online, and also the problems with Broadband.
FarCryLover182  +   632d ago
If my internet goes out, I should be able to play my single player games.
DARK WITNESS  +   632d ago
You "should" be able to....

Will you be able to? that is the issue..
rowdyBOY  +   632d ago
i'm sorry ,but this seams to be true to me .

explains why gamestop is closing over 500 stores in 2013 , no used game market / sales

its not all doom and gloom , hackers will make your online only games work with a hack .
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Sucitta  +   632d ago
I hack and mod because of corporate greed = )

When I RROD, I re-purchase system from futureshop, remove innards from new unit, replace with RROD innards, re-flash new unit, return RROD next day for money back.

I only buy collectors editions of games that I deem deserving of my hard earned caps.

Keep in mind that Sharing is Caring.
C-Thunder  +   632d ago
My wife works at Gamestop, she said the ceo sent out a message recently dispelling the rumors tha 500 stores were closing .
HappyWithOneBubble  +   632d ago
No way can MS compete without using Bluray. So every game sold on the next Xbox, Sony will get a profit.
SonyNGP  +   632d ago
Google "Blu-Ray Disc Association".
HappyWithOneBubble  +   632d ago
Sony developed Bluray too.
mcstorm  +   632d ago
They don't have to put a bluray in the next xbox they could use there own media or even buy HD DVD tech.

Also I don't see MS having an issue using Bluray anyway as it is part owned by sony but believe it or not out side of the console market Sony and Microsoft work as partners on different technology and with Windows.

I don't see this always online being true though as not everyone has internet yet so it will limit there market.
Rhythmattic  +   632d ago
I want it to play a blu-ray movie format...

Personally , its what I would expect the new box to be able to do.
mcstorm  +   632d ago
I know what you mean but your telling me you don't have a bluray player already? Also if they did not put bluray in the next xbox or PlayStation it would stop you from buying one?
Rhythmattic  +   632d ago
Yeh I do have a Blu-Ray player.. Its a PS3 next to my 360...
Its ultra convenient, excellent playback quality and means there is one less box I need...

But yes, I would still buy it for those exclusive games, Blu support or not.
FlyingFoxy  +   632d ago
That's actually wrong, if MS used DVD but the games unpacked onto hard drive they would fit most games on a single DVD like PC games. But since HD space isn't abundant like on PC's i guess they won't take that route. Hence consoles almost constantly read from disc.

Not sure why they don't just use an install method, as this is also quieter than having to read a DVD/Bluray all the time.
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Knight_Crawler  +   632d ago
The Nintendo Wii U says Hi.

Nintendo does not pay Bluray royalties to Sony becuase the Wii does not allow Blu Rey movie playback.

This is all MS needs to do to avoid royalties...sure having a BluRay play is a plus but TBH I do not know many people who buy Bluray mvoies.
cl1983  +   632d ago
The can use blue light which wont cost them as much as blue ray, Same storage unable to play blueray disk movies.
hazardman  +   632d ago
And ms gets a cut from all blu rays aswell as one of ms codec is used on blu rays.
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shinobi602  +   632d ago
I love my 360, but there is not a chance in hell I will buy this shit if true.

Don't do it Microsoft...
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The Meerkat  +   632d ago
this ^

I've been a xbox fan this gen but I now see a PS4 in my future.

I suppose I'll just have to watch a playthrough of Halo 5 on youtube.
DARK WITNESS  +   632d ago
I am in the same boat.

I was an xbox fan this gen but the last two years of so, I have lost respect for MS.

This will be the end of my xbox love life.
Captain Tuttle  +   632d ago
Sony has a patent on technology to block used games
http://www.computerandvideo...

They've invested money and resources in researching this idea, it's not unreasonable to think Sony will do this as well.

Time will tell
ZoyosJD  +   632d ago
@captain tuttle...It is a well constructed plan. Sony is going to bag the gaming audience by not using it, then sue MS for using it since they think Sony will also use it. If their lawsuit is successful is another thing though.

JK...this whole theory of online only is BS.
Sarobi  +   632d ago
I wouldn't be shocked if this was true.. I mean it seems like we were doomed to go into this direction sooner or later..
jaredhart  +   632d ago
Well, if this info is true then the PS4 should be the easy choice this Christmas.
Master of Unlocking  +   632d ago
If it's true that online will be a prerequisite and no 2nd-hand games for both the Nextbox and the PS4, then the Playstation history will be a trilogy for me, not a tetralogy, or quadrilogy or w/e.

I can't even fathom how Sony or MS could currently employ somebody short-sighted and , well, plain dumb enough, to not see the absolute commercial and corporate disaster to go that route.

On the other hand, if MS alone goes that route as the article suggests, Sony will get rid of one out of two of their competitor without even having to take their hands out of their pocket.
Needless to say, it will be the same if it's the other way around.

And if it's both MS and Sony that pull out a move like that, Ninty will be the undisputed winner of next gen, even if they release only shovelware on the Wii U.

As for me, I'll keep playing my PS1, PS2, and PS3 games and my NG AES, but apart from that, it'll be "Farewell videogames!
azshorty2003  +   632d ago
Always online: nope, not everyone has broadband

No 2nd hand games: that would be disastrous for any company that implements that. I don't see either company even trying this. It's marketing suicide. Plus MS & Sony have nothing to gain from doing this.

50gb Blu-Ray discs: Microsoft is going to have to eat their pride and cave. There is no way they can survive on pain DVDs.

New Kinect: this is a definite.
aiBreeze  +   632d ago
Unless they both held meetings alongside publishers and came to a mutual agreement to go this route. If both went with no 2nd hand games, then people would either be left to accept it or support the Wii U.
rainslacker  +   632d ago
I think if that were the case we'd see a tremendous amount of backlash among the community. It's pretty obvious it's something that both sides agree on being really bad. I'm sure some people would still buy into it with whatever reason they have, but I would not support a console that didn't support used games, even though I buy most of my games new. I didn't draw the line at all this gen with some of the anti-consumer practices they've done, but I would definitely draw it for that.

I'm not sure how I would feel about an always on connection...I don't see a need for it on a console except for the purpose of restricting used games. For single player games it's worthless, and multi-player games you would be online anyways, so why force it?

I could definitely see both companies leaving anti-used game tech up to the publisher, much like Sony did with region locking. Maybe if they did they would finally get a dose of reality when it comes to what people think of ownership rights.
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Captain Tuttle  +   632d ago
Blu-Ray is no big deal for MS, there's no "pride" to swallow. What operating system do you think Sony uses on their laptops? In their corporate offices? Blu-Ray is a rounding error compared to that revenue stream.
bryam1982  +   632d ago
Corporate office? The ones in japan use linux,if you go to japan take the tour to The sony building

But i get your point
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Captain Tuttle  +   632d ago
Really? huh. I'll take your word for it, not going to go to Japan to check :)

Is it the same way in the US and Europe?
greenpowerz  +   632d ago
bryam
Microsoft's VC-1 Codec was adopted by blu ray, most major companies helped with the growth of Blu ray. If I recall HD-DVD used the codec(about the only thing people favored HD-DVD over Blu ray for) and Blu-ray got onboard just before or after the death of HD-DVD.(MPEG-4 AVC *vs* VC-1 now. Mpeg-2 is out-e)

This rumor about 2nd hand games keeps popping up for both consoles to garner hits mosly from Sony fans defending PS4 if the rumor is about PS4 and hating the 720 if the rumor is about 720.

There are millions of gamers that never buy new games I doubt any company would do that in the end. it would kill the industry unless the industry agreed to lower the price of games to 1990's prices.

Million would sell movie players if told they could no longer buy used movies, same with game players and games.
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boing1  +   632d ago
Do it, MS!!
I dare you!
shivvy24  +   632d ago
Hahsha yea I dare m$ to do it
Funky_Homosapien  +   632d ago
If this is true Xbox brand will go the way of the dodo...i will support sony if xbox does this.
BlaqMagiq24  +   632d ago
If MS do this they're going to shoot themselves in the foot. That's not how they should go into next-gen.
Captain Tuttle  +   632d ago
If they do this and Sony doesn't then it's all over for them.

MS just keeps pushing me away
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FlyingFoxy  +   632d ago
MS pretty much already pushed me away from the 360 by failing to have Rare make some good old N64 sequels.
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Jsynn7  +   632d ago
I'm sure they pushed a lot of people away since the beginning of this gen by putting out faulty systems.
MiyagiSPG  +   632d ago
If Microsoft do this and Sony keep second hand games... well it'll be interesting to see the outcome :)
StrongMan  +   632d ago
If MS does this then they are even more stupid than I think they already are.
lashes2ashes  +   632d ago
That will suck for most people, I will be safe because I don't buy used games and my Internet has not crashed in years but I feel for the people that are not so lucky. I think if this is true rental companies will sue them or find a way around it, really don't want gamefly going out of buisness since I get brand new games from them for about 10 to 20 dollars cheaper than retail.
danthebios  +   632d ago
i dont think so.
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DiRtY  +   632d ago
I did not believe it for Sony and I don't believe it for MS either.

There are 40 million+ XBL users right now. As impressive as it sounds, there are another 30 million users who did not even connect their consoles to the internet. SO, I doubt MS would gladly lose 30 million+ customers.

*edit* oh yeah, what happens if my console dies? Do the games die with it or is it connected to my gamertag? If the second option: That means I have to decide which of my GTs I use for the game I bought?
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Veneno  +   631d ago
This "rumarticle" is leaving out key details like these, meaning, these rumors areBS.
cleverusername  +   632d ago
Not long ago Sony was getting panned for allegedly not allowing used games on PS4 and now it's Microsofts turn!! Nobody knows jack!!!
Veneno  +   631d ago
Well, we will know , probably, about used gamemes on PS4 on Feb 20. Hopefully the media does its job and grills Sony about this topic.
josh14399  +   632d ago
If this is true I won't be buying the console. It probably isn't true unless microsoft want there console to fail.
PFFT  +   632d ago
Pass, if true i wont be getting the next xbox. Always online, Play online fees and no used games......... FCK THAT!
blackbirdi  +   632d ago
if this true well next gen without me i will buy wii U
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