My first thought when I saw this video was "Holy Crap!". But I think we've all been stung by concept videos in the past so gonna reserve judgement. Still, the idea has a lot of potential.
Yea if it makes it to us exactly the way it looks in the video the ill be very impressed. It looks really good. Where's the projection coming from to do that?
in the leaked xbox720 documents from last spring it was coming from a small sphere that looked like an old skool web cam for a pc, but that of course was only a mock up drawing i suppose since it was next to the mock up xbox720 that lloked like a dvd player lol.
"Yea if it makes it to us exactly the way it looks in the video the ill be very impressed. It looks really good."
Agreed, and you have to remember too that the player will be focused on the screen itself so all of the surrounding images will blend in to the players peripheral vision. Will be pretty mental for any onlookers watching someone play Geometry Wars or something along those lines!
Looks a lot like what Sony has been working on but Sony's version does look a lot better. http://youtu.be/N_cKsOe7hLI
I personally think it's a little distracting and kind of annoying while trying to game to have all that crap going on. I think MS has made another bad decision by going with this tech and instead see the trends going towards tech like the Oculus Rift and Sony's on VR headset.
And it looks like that MS document on 720 that got leaked a few months back was pretty accurate.
@TheGamerDood yeahthe sony version is in a total black room with 4 person around that help the scene ....theres nothing if not the nice effect of the cube......so pls...give up on the "lot better" lol
i like what ms is doing...pls give us this with he new kinect
ok so lets see if I can help you out here. Take away Santa's little helpers, all the props the furniture and just concentrate on the walls....what do you see? Ooooh! It's exactly the same tech MS is trying to achieve, only better. Do you not see the 3D effects? The higher quality elements being projected onto the walls the richer colors.
@Old McGroin
they stated in the article that this is a proof of concept device only and it made no mention of when it would being ready for the consumer market. So under those parameter yes it's fair to compare the two.
Yeah, Sony's version looks really cool as well, saw that video a while back, but it's not exactly practical considering the amount of work it looks like is going on during the whole thing! I'd imagine by now that Sony have something pretty similar to what MS are currently showing off in the works as well. Exciting times ahead :)
what they r doing is totally different ....where u r seeing a game in action on the xbox side....u r seeing some lightin effect that u can do with any laser lightin out there without any other hardware plugged in...
when ill see something practical from sony yeah....ill judge
I don't think Sony would have a problem projecting certain elements of a game onto a wall or combining that with your TV, but why would they when Sony is capable of putting the entire game into your room on multiple walls so you would be totally immersed in the game itself and would control/play it by using a Move controller. How is that not better than IllumiRoom?
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"they stated in the article that this is proof of concept only and it made no mention of when it would be ready for the consumer market so under those parameters yes it's fair to compare one experimental tech to another."
I think with MS or Sony's implementation what is more important isn't just how well it looks, but if it is practical for home use. Both in price and convenience.
There are motion capture systems far better than Kinect, but nothing that comes close in the price range at the time of release.
I hope MS or Sony can release this at a reasonable price and convenience. Maybe it can be integrated into the Kinect 2. That would be pretty cool!
Now MS just needs to package it neatly with a cheap projector! Pretty cool:
"It's actually a Microsoft Research project that uses a Kinect for a Windows camera combined with a projector. It apparently "uses the appearance and the geometry of the room (captured by Kinect) to adapt the projected visuals in real-time without any need to custom pre-process the graphics." Sure it's still in the prototype stage, but color us intrigued. We'll be sure to follow up with the Redmond giant to see if we can get a bit more up close and personal with this. Stay tuned."
"My first thought when I saw this video was "Holy Crap!". But I think we've all been stung by concept videos in the past so gonna reserve judgement. Still, the idea has a lot of potential. "
Same thinking as me. It's all fine and dandy seeing early concepts and potential ideas but I want concrete stuff from now on. I don't want teaser trailers for games with no confirmed release date, I don't want tech demos for new ideas and new controllers with no real game, I don't want mock-up scenarios on stage that is all scripted. Just give me the truth, I think I can handle it.
Love people trying to compare a prototype to blueman group and cardboard box performance art. All I have to do pick up 4 projection TV's and mount them on my ceiling for each wall...what are those, 800 - 1200 a pop? That example is really no different than this on 4 walls:
What surprised me the most was that they showed primarily shooting games in this, usually in prototype videos like when the kinect was unveiled they show casual and useless games.
Showing these core games really brings my hopes up. This thing with kinect can provide ridiculous potential!!
There is no post processing, that is real time done with a Kinect and a project as captured by video:
"IllumiRoom is a proof-of-concept Microsoft Research project designed to push the boundary of living room immersive entertainment by blending our virtual and physical worlds with projected visualizations. The effects in the video are rendered in real time and are captured live -- not special effects added in post processing."
I have my TV wallmount on a plain wall surround by nothing, this would be awesome on my setup. Projection would be nice and clear. It would be like having 150" tv instead of 60".
Sounds cool, lets see if it'll be implemented in the near future, mid-gen would be OK, no need to push it right out of the gate IF its going to rise the price of the nextbox
Does it matter if you can see the projector or not?
It's not like the projector is some kind of magic thing. All the magic is done with the Kinect and how the software decides to lay projection onto the furniture.
You are just looking for some BS reason to discredit what has already been stated. No post processing b*tch!
Personally I don't see this as any more of a "gimmick" than installing surround sound speakers in your living room. And this can be applied to hardcore games no problem unlike motion controls which we have yet to see a GREAT hardcore game that only uses motion controls. Hopefully next gen we'll finally see one.
I also see it(along with motion controls) as the foundation for technology of the future. This quote from another article sums up my feelings about it pretty well:
OK, for the first time, Microsoft, you've shown me a way to use kinect that I like. I do professional video projection mapping for a living, so to see it and video gaming seamlessly integrate like this is actually really cool. As others have said, however, I'll reserve judgment until I can see this thing in use. I also would like to see more innovative uses other than a limited "wider screen". My second concern would be cost vs. brightness. A good bright projector doesn't come cheap. Toss in a Kinect and an Xbox on top of that... and I can see where these rumors of having to sign up for 2 year service plans of Xbox live to afford the console come from. That doesn't even take the kinect glasses into consideration either.
I'd rather just have VR, but to it's defense it does enable more immersion without the headgear.
U have any idea's as to how this can breathe fresh air into the gaming scene? I mean: how can this product introduce new ways of playing games (other than a mere gimmick of an extended width of the tv screen's parameters)
Until we aLl start gaming in uncluttered, light colored rooms then this sort of thing is just going to add useless gimicky effects to the game.
They can't project anything useful off the screen because there is no guarantee that it will be visible. If there is a door or window or some dark furniture you won't see the image well enough to be useful.
What you are saying, concerning the room dedicated specifically for gaming, doesn't seem viable either. First off, someone would have to own a house with a spare room that they could dedicate for gaming. Then you would have to probably limit seating to 1 chair or small sofa for the gamer. What else would you be able to have in there? Where would drinks, snacks, or even your cellphone sit?
I think the solution to the problem would end up being better spacial detection so that the device CAN properly adjust to your surroundings, instead of expecting the gamer to adapt their surroundings to the device. Regardless, this sort of innovation probably won't be fully realized anytime soon.
Maybe some real creative companies could figure out how to use this current innovation to do some spectacular and unexpected things, though. Or... maybe it will just end up being a novelty, like you suspect. *shrug*
I didn't mean to imply this was a viable solution, it's not at all viable. Ideally you would need no furniture, windows or doors anywhere forward of where you are sitting and have white or very light colored walls.
As for adapting to the room that could be done in some cases but you could still never guarantee that what needs to be displayed can be displayed properly. So because of this it's only extra special effects that are worth doing with this tech.
The first( Project Natal ) concept videos come to mind instantly when watching this, but for this idea to work best the area around the TV should be blank white wall.
Yeah, talking to characters within games would have been cool. Think of the Milo demo but within a world like Skyrim or Fallout. That would be insanely immersive - much more than this projection technology, I can tell you.
I was going to write a similar comment because seriously why is that people are so naive all the time as to fall for these kind of stuff? You can bet that IllumiRoom will be nothing like this vid and most of it looks totally fake.
this thing looks like it could be really awesome if it works like that. i'd love to play COD, BF, Halo, Gears, Madden, 2K Basketball, Batman and all the rest in those modes. that's just awesome looking. love the time we're living in.
I really do wish the Fan boys ect would just give it a rest. This Is this site full of kids? Sony has an idea and MS has an idea get over it. Everyone has there own vision for products that are the same.
This looks a really good idea and if MS can pull it off with there next gen console it would be impressive but I don't see it being done for next gen consoles.
I said when Kinect came out that this was just the start of what the device can do and ech version that comes out will offer more and more and I think over the next 10 years we will see some good changes in the device.
Looks a good idea by MS and will be interesting to see where it goes.
Really like a lot of stuff Microsoft are doing in terms of hardware and software. MS now need to get there products pushed onto the public to get there ideas selling.
Seems neat but I found myself being constantly distracted by the surrounding projections taking place, don't know if I'd be able to concentrate on the game when I have stars whizzing by my head.
I don't know though, it's only a concept vid so it's hard to judge exactly what it'll be like. Cool idea though.
I mean wouldnt it be badass if your playing dead space and walking down a corridor. A light is shining behind you and a necromorph walks in fronnt of that life and and IllumiRoom will display the shadow!!! That IMO would be freaking terrifying seeing a shadow in the room and for minute thinking "dafuq's that?"... And insanity ensues!
Is microsoft serious???? with this crap. projected images??? if they think for one minute this will beat ps4 offering they mise well pick up their final check now. thought this thing had excitement to intice me to the DARK SIDE of the force. jadi knight will reign supreme (ps4)
yeah, maybe it will have more than 3 games and not just Halo, Gears and Forza XD
at least I know Guerrilla Games (Killzone), Sucker Punch (inFamous), Media Molecule (LBP), Santa Monica (GOW) are having 2 teams and one of them is making new IP. and on top of that, we, PS4 owners, will get sequels to already great games on PS3.
cool idea non the less, this is the concept i believe for the kinect and Augmented Reality glasses that were in those leaked xbox720 documents discussed with having plans for this tech to launch in 2014.
Yeah, I noticed them not wearing glasses; I also noticed they didn't show exactly where that image is coming from, or where the console was, either :D
We're assuming it's a projector when they didn't show a projector or an image coming from the back. Is the projector a part of the console, or kinect, or an independent part from both? How will the image carry over to the projector while the disc is in the console?
You have to assume the scanner is at least on your face (impressive if it is), and at the most behind you to scan in front of you, so does kinect now have to be in the back? How does the projector get the image from the xbox? will there be lag between the two like kinect's lag?
It's just that concept and final product may have many differences, so I'm not writing off the glasses or projected image as of yet.
yea but sony clearly used special effect in theirs. This didn't seem to use it which makes it pretty impressive. Xbox 720 is gonna be a beast...and probably too expensive...lol
Just like the tablet right? Sounds like jealous Sony fanboys to me. You guys look for the smallest similarity then use that to jump on the "Sony did it first" train. You guys do it to Nintendo, MS or PC. Sony fanboy logic = Sony invented everything first during the Ice Age. We all know how Kinect is just an Eye Toy even though Eye Toy doesn't use infrared lasers.
As a movie concept it would be amazing , fast paced games would make me throw up....but on the contrary games like limbo should make this simply one hell of an experience.
Talk about marketing. When they start advertising this its going to cause mayhem. And if it really works then think of the possibilities for developers, and the forward push for technology not just with this but was is to come from everyone. Whether game just as a whole. Let's start the push. I'm ready.
I game primarily on a projector using my Xbox. this idea is not practical at all, and most definitely expensive. everyone has different setups so everyone will have a different experience. changing the complete layout of your room is much harder than changing your screen
Those really are not comparable. Philips was just using lighting to flash with on screen activity ...this is actually extending the game enviornment beyond the screen in front of you.
Same difference just Philips version is just simpler design. This is the full design.
I personally see nothing but a light show. Not exciting to me. If you have a small TV though it could be beneficial. Oh look at that guy on the wall to my right camping.
This plus Depth senor Kinect 2 with your hands controlling things could be an alright thing, but still my interest in Kinect is very minimal. I see no extra joy in this.
I think it's got a pretty cool look in theory but can't see the practicality to it. I guess the point is to create a slightly more immerseive environment similar to that of a holoroom but I still think this is a few years away. Anyone remember when it was rumored to be part of the Nintendo Wii? Everyone was all a buzz about a "hologram" like console.
For me, I can't see how this is going to work well for my environment. My home theater consists of a 92" HD projector with 2 32" LCDs mounted on either side of it. The room has to be pretty dark if I'm going to use those TVS as well as the projo because the ambient light from them tends to wash out sections of the image. having some form of projector box like that is going to screw with my picture. Not to mention that sucker is gonna have to have an awfully high lumen rating especially to look as sharp as it did in that video without the room being totally dark.
Yeah, "scan my room"... Remember the hysteria that followed a youtube hoax about 2 years ago? A guy was showing the innards of a cable tv box and saying the IR receiver was a camera used for illegal surveillance. People started screaming for their rights to privacy. What if MS scans and uploads all rooms to their servers?
this backs up that geno guys claim of wall projections for the nx box.. Im not too interested in this concept but its definitely a plus if its a free pack in feature
no it's not smoke and mirrors don't even make me start on Sony's embarrassing E3 2005 conference! the idea is not complex as kinect you don't have to jump everywhere or move your hands to be detected by cameras and sensors, it's more simple and makes the game more immersive ...amazing!
You clearly didnt grasp what Milo was/is. The studio actually said they got it either completed or close to completed when MS pulled the plug. The presentation was like many presentation an interpretation of what they are shooting for. I havent seen half of the features I saw the devs tech demo with the Move integrated in to any thing.
But in truth, this would just bother me. I am fine with my TV being just a TV... Stop trying to project everything everywhere. I hate 3D, and this looks no better.
Now how much?
"Yea if it makes it to us exactly the way it looks in the video the ill be very impressed. It looks really good."
Agreed, and you have to remember too that the player will be focused on the screen itself so all of the surrounding images will blend in to the players peripheral vision. Will be pretty mental for any onlookers watching someone play Geometry Wars or something along those lines!
http://youtu.be/N_cKsOe7hLI
I personally think it's a little distracting and kind of annoying while trying to game to have all that crap going on. I think MS has made another bad decision by going with this tech and instead see the trends going towards tech like the Oculus Rift and Sony's on VR headset.
And it looks like that MS document on 720 that got leaked a few months back was pretty accurate.
The only problem is that it could vanish just like that Milo game.
yeahthe sony version is in a total black room with 4 person around that help the scene ....theres nothing if not the nice effect of the cube......so pls...give up on the "lot better" lol
i like what ms is doing...pls give us this with he new kinect
ok so lets see if I can help you out here. Take away Santa's little helpers, all the props the furniture and just concentrate on the walls....what do you see? Ooooh! It's exactly the same tech MS is trying to achieve, only better. Do you not see the 3D effects? The higher quality elements being projected onto the walls the richer colors.
@Old McGroin
they stated in the article that this is a proof of concept device only and it made no mention of when it would being ready for the consumer market. So under those parameter yes it's fair to compare the two.
Yeah, Sony's version looks really cool as well, saw that video a while back, but it's not exactly practical considering the amount of work it looks like is going on during the whole thing! I'd imagine by now that Sony have something pretty similar to what MS are currently showing off in the works as well. Exciting times ahead :)
the colour r brighter for the dark room....
what they r doing is totally different ....where u r seeing a game in action on the xbox side....u r seeing some lightin effect that u can do with any laser lightin out there without any other hardware plugged in...
when ill see something practical from sony yeah....ill judge
I don't think Sony would have a problem projecting certain elements of a game onto a wall or combining that with your TV, but why would they when Sony is capable of putting the entire game into your room on multiple walls so you would be totally immersed in the game itself and would control/play it by using a Move controller. How is that not better than IllumiRoom?
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"they stated in the article that this is proof of concept only and it made no mention of when it would be ready for the consumer market so under those parameters yes it's fair to compare one experimental tech to another."
How'd they do the floor though?
Projecting just in front of you ala Xbox style is one thing but the entire room?
Don't know how that'd work??...
There are motion capture systems far better than Kinect, but nothing that comes close in the price range at the time of release.
I hope MS or Sony can release this at a reasonable price and convenience. Maybe it can be integrated into the Kinect 2. That would be pretty cool!
Now MS just needs to package it neatly with a cheap projector! Pretty cool:
"It's actually a Microsoft Research project that uses a Kinect for a Windows camera combined with a projector. It apparently "uses the appearance and the geometry of the room (captured by Kinect) to adapt the projected visuals in real-time without any need to custom pre-process the graphics." Sure it's still in the prototype stage, but color us intrigued. We'll be sure to follow up with the Redmond giant to see if we can get a bit more up close and personal with this. Stay tuned."
http://www.engadget.com/201...
Same thinking as me. It's all fine and dandy seeing early concepts and potential ideas but I want concrete stuff from now on. I don't want teaser trailers for games with no confirmed release date, I don't want tech demos for new ideas and new controllers with no real game, I don't want mock-up scenarios on stage that is all scripted. Just give me the truth, I think I can handle it.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Which was done prior to 2009. I guess Sony copied off of them?
"Where's the projection coming from to do that?"
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The CGI overlays added in post-production.
Showing these core games really brings my hopes up. This thing with kinect can provide ridiculous potential!!
There is no post processing, that is real time done with a Kinect and a project as captured by video:
"IllumiRoom is a proof-of-concept Microsoft Research project designed to push the boundary of living room immersive entertainment by blending our virtual and physical worlds with projected visualizations. The effects in the video are rendered in real time and are captured live -- not special effects added in post processing."
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Pretty cool!
They can *say* whatever they want. Where's the projector in the video?
Does it matter if you can see the projector or not?
It's not like the projector is some kind of magic thing. All the magic is done with the Kinect and how the software decides to lay projection onto the furniture.
You are just looking for some BS reason to discredit what has already been stated. No post processing b*tch!
They all change their tune - This thing is like the biggest gimmik ever. It may be fun who knows..
http://i998.photobucket.com...
The next step.
Personally I don't see this as any more of a "gimmick" than installing surround sound speakers in your living room. And this can be applied to hardcore games no problem unlike motion controls which we have yet to see a GREAT hardcore game that only uses motion controls. Hopefully next gen we'll finally see one.
I also see it(along with motion controls) as the foundation for technology of the future. This quote from another article sums up my feelings about it pretty well:
http://n4g.com/news/1150374...
@Alpha
lol
I'd rather just have VR, but to it's defense it does enable more immersion without the headgear.
They can't project anything useful off the screen because there is no guarantee that it will be visible. If there is a door or window or some dark furniture you won't see the image well enough to be useful.
I think the solution to the problem would end up being better spacial detection so that the device CAN properly adjust to your surroundings, instead of expecting the gamer to adapt their surroundings to the device. Regardless, this sort of innovation probably won't be fully realized anytime soon.
Maybe some real creative companies could figure out how to use this current innovation to do some spectacular and unexpected things, though. Or... maybe it will just end up being a novelty, like you suspect. *shrug*
As for adapting to the room that could be done in some cases but you could still never guarantee that what needs to be displayed can be displayed properly. So because of this it's only extra special effects that are worth doing with this tech.
Potential to do what. Dance in your frontroom.
Just put up a discolight, another awful gimmick.
OMFG Microsoft are becoming Nintendo.
This looks a really good idea and if MS can pull it off with there next gen console it would be impressive but I don't see it being done for next gen consoles.
I said when Kinect came out that this was just the start of what the device can do and ech version that comes out will offer more and more and I think over the next 10 years we will see some good changes in the device.
Looks a good idea by MS and will be interesting to see where it goes.
Really like a lot of stuff Microsoft are doing in terms of hardware and software. MS now need to get there products pushed onto the public to get there ideas selling.
I don't know though, it's only a concept vid so it's hard to judge exactly what it'll be like. Cool idea though.
I mean wouldnt it be badass if your playing dead space and walking down a corridor. A light is shining behind you and a necromorph walks in fronnt of that life and and IllumiRoom will display the shadow!!! That IMO would be freaking terrifying seeing a shadow in the room and for minute thinking "dafuq's that?"... And insanity ensues!
Thats a way it could be incorporated well :)
Remember all the Cool commericials in the 90's and how when you got the Toy or Game it was nothing like in the commercial.
This could be like that.
at least I know Guerrilla Games (Killzone), Sucker Punch (inFamous), Media Molecule (LBP), Santa Monica (GOW) are having 2 teams and one of them is making new IP. and on top of that, we, PS4 owners, will get sequels to already great games on PS3.
At any rate, it looks nice to play; a 3d type of thing I guess.
We're assuming it's a projector when they didn't show a projector or an image coming from the back. Is the projector a part of the console, or kinect, or an independent part from both? How will the image carry over to the projector while the disc is in the console?
You have to assume the scanner is at least on your face (impressive if it is), and at the most behind you to scan in front of you, so does kinect now have to be in the back? How does the projector get the image from the xbox? will there be lag between the two like kinect's lag?
It's just that concept and final product may have many differences, so I'm not writing off the glasses or projected image as of yet.
http://www.gizmag.com/sony-...
As for the idea I think it's a distraction.
Just like how you have NO problem saying the Move is just a Wii-mote even though the Move doesn't use the infrared sensor? Gotta love hypocrisy.
:D
I have never once said anything like that. I have never even compared Move to the Wii-mote in any way.
Nice try though.
So reading between the lines that was all real time which now begs the question... what did it take to run that?
Cheap way of getting a cool wallpaper mind you.
Just blast a light colored wall with ultra bright lights and leave an interesting shadow design burned into it.
Question is, will the final product deliver?
If it does happen then I will be the first in line for purchase.
I personally see nothing but a light show. Not exciting to me. If you have a small TV though it could be beneficial. Oh look at that guy on the wall to my right camping.
This plus Depth senor Kinect 2 with your hands controlling things could be an alright thing, but still my interest in Kinect is very minimal. I see no extra joy in this.
For me, I can't see how this is going to work well for my environment. My home theater consists of a 92" HD projector with 2 32" LCDs mounted on either side of it. The room has to be pretty dark if I'm going to use those TVS as well as the projo because the ambient light from them tends to wash out sections of the image. having some form of projector box like that is going to screw with my picture. Not to mention that sucker is gonna have to have an awfully
high lumen rating especially to look as sharp as it did in that video without the room being totally dark.
Now we just need free online and long term AAA game support and I will jump in!
Do it MS! I expect many seizures.
I am thinking I may have to turn one of my extra bedrooms or studio in to a holodeck.
But in truth, this would just bother me. I am fine with my TV being just a TV... Stop trying to project everything everywhere. I hate 3D, and this looks no better.