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Neonridr  +   568d ago | Well said
What should Nintendo say? We can achieve the same level of games with a CPU that is running at 1/3 the clock speed and developers have only begun to scratch the surface of our system?
MasterCornholio  +   568d ago
That sounds great and if its true i wonder why Reggie didn´t even state this yet.
decrypt  +   568d ago
Article is pointless.

Console gamers.. Dont care about graphics.

Nintendo knows this. They dont really care.
darthv72  +   568d ago
I guess...
the wii-u can be summed up as doing more with less.

@abizz below...but wasnt every new version of the pentium class cpu a modified version of the previous one? The pentium was an enhanced 486 class which itself was an updated 386 class. Even the P2 and P3 all were enhanced versions with increased clock and cache and some new instruction traces.

That doesnt mean the original is bad in any way. so what if they took a page from intel. If it aint broke, why fix it. you can improve it but no need to fix it as "fixing it" implies it was broken in the first place.

The design obviously hold some benefits for nintendo and the programmers that know how to use it.
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TheoreticalParticle  +   568d ago
darthv72: No, that absolutely is NOT how CPU class upgrades work.

Every Intel chip from the 8086 to the i7 didn't change base number/brand until there was an architecture redesign. That's why they have a different number of pins, that's why they all need new motherboards to be slotted into.

They aren't "modified". They're entirely new chip designs.
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showtimefolks  +   568d ago
wii-u is a new system it will take some time like every console to figure out the best way to get the most out of it. It will not be as strong as ps4 or next xbox but i am excited just to play nintendo's 1st party games in HD. that should be a great enough reason to buy one. when N announces a zelda game for wii-u i will buy the system

3rd party support has never been with nintendo and it won't be with wii-u either. here is a fun face the last Nintendo home console to get great 3rd party support was NES. now think about that for a second NES.

look at the lineup in 2013 most big games aren't coming out on wii-u. get bioshock,gta,tomb raider for wii-u nintendo you must

other than that give it some time for developers to figure stuff out and take it easy
sikbeta  +   567d ago
@decrypt

Gamers care about games and IF third party games are nowhere to be found on the Wii-U, they'll not care about said console, same story with the wii, not saying it's going to happen, but if "low specs" is used again from third parties as the problem to not port games for the U, then damn, that's a mistake Nintendo said I'd fix with the Wii-U, they said they wanted to get the core-gamers this time >:(
legend911  +   568d ago
See, the problem is that these children don't know how architecture works. Are you going to tell me that my 3.0GHz Pentium 4 HT will beat an i5-2500k at the same clock? If you said yes, then please leave now. If you said no, then re-read the article and you will understand.
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ABizzel1  +   568d ago | Well said
That's true the i5 destroys the Pentium.

However, the thing that has everyone worried is the the Wii-U CPU, is a modified version of the same one used in Wii, which was a modified version of the same one used in the Gamecube.

It's technically an 11 year old CPU that's been modified for 3 console generations.

On top of that MANY developers have said the same thing, with a Metro 2033 dev. even going as far to say "I guess you don't need an powerful CPU for physics and AI when you're making Mario games." That's troubling.

I have no doubts we'll see some good things from the Wii-U, but here's Nintendo's next-gen console launching 6 - 7 years after the current-gen and instead of being hands down better than the current-gen, but instead there's all these rumors and speculation about how the Wii-U is a mixed boat of being better graphically, but being a dumber console thanks to a underpowered CPU.

If anything Nintendo could have copied the Xbox 360 down to the wiring, since they both have nearly identical components. They could have gone with a quad core version of the 360 CPU, a slightly better GPU, and 2GB of RAM, and still came out with a $299 - $349 console. On top of that it's using the Wii CPU+ / Gamecube CPU++, so why doesn't it have backwards compatibility with Gamecube games? If they had simply gone with the Xbox+ then all the games released for the console at launch would have ran just as good and most liekly at better resolutions and framerates than the current consoles. It makes no sense unless:

1. Nintendo's console doesn't cost as much to make as they said, which has been proven by several other sites (do a little research). So the Wii-U can make a small profit Day 1. A less expensive CPU (which can often translate into a weaker CPU), and not attempting to integrate Gamecube BC saved them money.

If that's the case then it's really sad, that Nintendo would rather nerf their system, to save a few bucks early on, than make something that Nintendo, developers, and their fans could be proud of.

I'm still interested in the Wii-U, but it's in a similar position the the Gamecube was in for me. I'll buy it at some point, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it like I did the gamecube, but it's not a must buy.
Either way nintendo doesn't push technology software wise so what does it matter how much power they have?
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FriedGoat  +   568d ago
It matters because they have marketed and hyped it to be a super powerful console and trying to bring in "hardcore gamers" when in reality, it isn't.

People are bored of the wii's gimmicks, if they can't bring in the hardcore, they aren't going to do too well now the soccer moms don't want wiifit.
Ihaa  +   568d ago
@ABizzel1 If you recall, the Wii CPU isn't bad at all. Let it be 11 years old but for one its based on the older architecture but by that sense, every CPU is usually based of some old architecture that got lots of changes to be improved. Plus the person who created the emulator for wii and gamecube actually said that although 360 runs at 3Ghz and has 2 threads, one of its cores is only 20 percent faster than one core from the wii. The wii isn't exactly 2 gamecube CPU's put together, it had architecture changes as well. People don't realize that the CPU in the wii, although low in Ghz was actually pretty fast.
ABizzel1  +   568d ago
@Shutupandtakemymoney

It doesn't matter to Nintendo that's why they made the decision on which CPU to use.

But it matter a lot to other developers. Specifically 3rd party developers who Nintendo is suppose to try and get back on their side, or at least continue to develop for their console.

Nintendo's whole point of the Wii-U was to:

1. Keep the Wii audience, by allowing them to upgrade to the Wii-U along with all their Wii peripherals.

2. Get the core gamers and developers back in their camp with a HD console.

3. Make a console powerful enough to rival and surpass the current-gen HD console, while also being capable of holding it's own against the next-gen offerings from MS and Sony.

And they didn't live up to their goal in the eyes of many, especially people who had already wrote Nintendo off as a casual console.

@Ihaa

True most CPU's are based on the previous architecture, but not 11 year old tech. If anything it's based on a 4 - 6 year old version of the same CPU and the difference while there, isn't a large as an entirely new chip.

And this goes double for Nintendo. We know the Wii-U CPU smokes the Gamecube's and the Wii. But it's still not the jump they should have had if they had simply went with a more moderate CPU rather than one based on Dolphin. I have no clue what they were thinking with that. It makes no sense. I don't care how much over-clocking or tweaking you do, you can't turn 11 year old tech into gold.

They could have even used an AMD-A8 APU and it would have been better than what the Wii-U is currently capable of, not to mention it's only $100 and it covers their CPU and GPU needs.

Let me say that again $100 for an AMD-A8 APU (CPU + GPU) that's superior to the PS360 and what we've seen from the Wii-U thus far, and DX11 capable. If the PS360 runs a game in 720p @ 30fps, then this APU can run the same game at either 720p @ 60fps or 1080p @ 30fps locked.

When you look at things like that it really puts Nintendo's mindset into perspective. Their CPU + GPU combo must be dirt cheap, and Nintendo would rather save $20 and be on par with current-gen, then surpass it. It completely blows my mind that Nintendo would sabotage themselves just to save $20.
herbs  +   568d ago
Pointless article is pointless
ronin4life  +   568d ago
NO company ever comments on these things. That's just how it is.
Move along, nothing to see here...
avengers1978  +   568d ago
Nintendo is going to have the same problems with Wii u as they did with Wii once 3rd party devs don't make games for Wii u that are on ps4, Xbox,and pc... they have a machine that can compete with PS3 and 360, but that is not what there up against... they better hope being first out the gate is enough. I can think of a few games that are going to PS3 and 360 that are not on Wii u as of now bioshock infinite, metal gear rising, and the new dark souls... not good for Nintendo, but there first party games will definitely help them, they need a Zelda, a metriod, and Mariopart, that really Wow there fan base.
GraveLord  +   568d ago
How about they actually man up and officially reveal these specs? In their website or the Wii U manual....

Consumers have a right to know what they are buying.

(Before you say that those buying Wii U don't care, let me say that we don't care about these stupid safety tips or legal shit, yet they still put it in there)
lilbroRx  +   568d ago
Nintendo hasn't revealed specs since the Gamecube. People begging for them despite knowing their policy is just idiotic.
rainslacker  +   568d ago
People know they're buying a game machine. It plays games. It plays games that they like. Nintendo builds solid products. I'm pretty sure most consumers know what they're buying when they pick up a Wii U.
darthv72  +   568d ago
grave
this isnt genesis vs snes anymore. We have moved beyond the days of figurative numbers being a representation of reality.

The nerds have grown up (myself included) with all the tech jargon and now its being simplified. Is that so bad to just see the results on screen or do you need circuit evidence to make it mean something?

I mean, how many times did we hear about the EE of the PS2 being able to power nuclear missiles? You dont need the specs of the wii-u to know it will have the next iteration of zelda or metroid or smash bros.
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Shnazzyone  +   568d ago
Yet another article to show me how terrible an aggregate site n4g is. This article says nothing new and only points out something that hasn't happened. the whole thing is 2 paragraphs and a picture. This isn't news. This is the continuation of N4g being an awful source for any actual news.
Dark-vash  +   568d ago
I think Nintendo doesn't have to say anything. I'ts pretty impressive that they can achieve and surpass the performance of a PS3 with a CPU clock like that!
Consoles are quitting the "horse power" race... I'm looking forward to see what Sony and Ms can achieve!
bullymangLer  +   567d ago
yehh . Nintendo is busy .. . and Nintendo will show this generation, what a properly equipped gaming machine is supposed to do . .. (: and NEXT GEN . . The overload of accidental dominance by Nintendo is just too alien to be reaL
jacksonmichael  +   568d ago
You expected anything else? Nintendo plays by their own rules. And those rules are almost always really annoying.
wishingW3L  +   568d ago
not all the specs, only the frequencies of the CPU, GPU and Ram.
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a_adji  +   568d ago
Frankly who the F cares.

It's a good system as will the others be and offer different experiences.

Go back to sleep.
legend911  +   568d ago
Again, they pull off the same or better graphics (on launch titles too) with such "slow" hardware? Do the people who take this seriously know what or how the architecture of computer systems work?
kane_1371  +   568d ago
the problem is that, this is a console, the consoles are made to work as good as possible with lower power than pcs.
That is what makes them so special, that is the reason a high pc of this day can't yet emulate PS3 and X360 games, cuz the way games and systems are engineered for those systems are way more complex than what is done on a PC.

You can easily port a game from PC to consoles but the other way around.....

To your answer, yes, it is possible to have a slow CPU and still enter the race, that is what a console is.
Nintendo knows it, and plays by that rule, now, does that affect their relations with 3rd party devs? yes, it does, does that affect their fanbase? no, it doesn't, Nintendo has a very special fanbase specially in Europe and they will stay by the nintendo's side, no matter the CPU and what not.
They enjoy the games and they get the games too.
rainslacker  +   568d ago
If I had to guess, I'd say a majority of the people complaining about the hardware have no clue what any of those numbers mean. Hell, I hardly know much about hardware in that respect, but I can at least see what they were going for with the design.

The system itself is great. I've enjoyed playing on it. I skipped the Wii, and I'm happy to now have a real Nintendo console.

My only real concern is it's long term viability when the 720/PS4 come out. But even then it would only matter for multi-plats, and even then I would just buy them on whatever other system I pick up. Nintendo games are fun, even the Wii ones, and I'm happy to be able to play them again whenever I want.
MEsoJD  +   568d ago
A console is an investment and I would like to know whats under the hood of my purchase.
Stroke666  +   568d ago
so is a pair of sneakers, have you asked nike for their chemical components of their soles?
MEsoJD  +   568d ago
@Stroke666
I don't currently own Nike's, but am the type to investigate origin and material of my shoes. The result is that my shoes usually last pretty long. Does that answer your question? :3 I'm not your average consumer, but should be.
OmegaSlayer  +   568d ago
Who bought a WiiU knew what he was buying and the future of the machine.
If people hasn't understood Nintendo's business model yet...their fault.
josephayal  +   568d ago
The Wii U is one month old
I fully expect the Wii U to continue to do better than the 7 year old consoles
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sandman224  +   568d ago | Well said
And that's why Nintendo not the Nintendo we once new. We grew up on Nintendo and loved everything about it. I even loved the Nintendo cereal. When I was a kid. But Nintendo don't care about me now. I'm grown up and want a grown man gaming system. Nintendo made there next gen console with last gen specs. I'm upset because a side scrolling Mario was fun when I was 7. Now it's boring. Zombie u looks like a low budget fps. Nintendo you suck!
mcstorm  +   568d ago
Could you please let us know what you class as a grownup game?
sandman224  +   568d ago
Zombie u, call of duty, and so on. We get call of duty. Visually it's on par with 360. Which it should be, then the frame rate dips pretty bad. Why should we put up with this? Then there's Zombie u. I love the concept. My only problem is that it's an exclusive. And we all know exclusives are suppose to shine. And we all know graphically it doesn't. Lets not forget a trophy/achievement system. I love them. They make me go back and play again. Everyone needs to open there eyes. As much as I wanted to love my next gen console. I don't.
mcstorm  +   568d ago
So what your trying to say is you think FPS games are classed as grown up games then?

COD is a port form the 360 ive not noticed any frame drop on my WiiU version but that could be your tv as well as GT5 was really bad on my old TV but when I got my new one it was a lot less.

Plus why should exclusives look so impressive at this point of the gen. I don't think ZombieU looks a bad game. its not a big step up form any 360 of PS3 games but its not a game that is a game that makes you go WOW that looks amazing its a dark horror game that should make you feel creepy.

A game dose not have to look amazing to be a go game.

MarioU is one of the best Mario games ive played but not the best looking game out there.

Back to COD again since when has COD Been a game that makes you go WOW? it has not.

Games that look good dose not make it the best game ever games that play well are.
Stroke666  +   568d ago
sandman sorry you sound like a fake, i honestly dont believe u own a wii u. if you can play zombiu and really bnm about graphics, youve got to sort out ur priorities as a gamer. grow up set ur own goals and stop looking for the goldstar u got in 1st grade for good work. an achievment system would be nice but is not necessary to those with healthy self esteem. play a game over cause you enjoy it and u want to do better or just do something in it you didnt the first time around, like lose 5 survivors in the first hour of play lol, which if ur sitting there nitpicking at graphicsvcan surely happen. wii u is dope and will continue to be.
LightofDarkness  +   568d ago
@ Sandman:

“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

- C.S. Lewis
ChickeyCantor  +   568d ago
" But Nintendo don't care about me now."

Neither does Sony or MS. Grow up ;).
jessupj  +   568d ago
I can't speak for MS with all the kinect stuff they're pushing and currently just having 1 exclusive for the whole of next year...

But I can say with absolute confidence that Sony treats me very well.
Kos-Mos  +   568d ago
What kind of kids agree with this comment?
This is the most ridiculous I`ve ever read. It must be sarcasm:

"I'm grown up and want a grown man gaming system."
ConstipatedGorilla  +   568d ago
I almost agreed with what you said until you got to the part about Mario not being fun and Nintendo sucking. They've just changed their target audience a little. There are still good games to be played on their systems, but I wouldn't want it as my only console. It too grew up on Nintendo and have the same memories... I'm 33.
MasterCratosKong66  +   568d ago
I don't think you have grown up. I don't know who you are trying to impress with your "grown up" take on consoles but it is you who needs to get their gaming priorities straight. Age doesn't change the fact that there is something to appreciate about all types of games. Don't blame your close minded philosophy on your age or Nintendo.
ritsuka666  +   568d ago
Go away troll, Nintendo not need you!
bitboi  +   568d ago
Honestly what are they going to say?

The larger audience of gamers don't give a crap about stuff like this. Just about every console or electronic device like iphones, ipads, tablets, etc have been/will get hacked. That's a fact companies know and except and quiet honestly can do little about once their product gets out in the wild.

The only way Nintendo can & have been addressing this is by releasing updates that make it harder for people to play copied games. And that's the main issue console makers are focusing their efforts on.
dennett316  +   568d ago
Nobody who actually owns one cares, the only ones who actually care are those who don't really understand the ins and outs of the technology and automatically think that the bigger number is better in ALL cases. And they only care in order to back up the fact that they have no intention - and never did - of getting the console for various poorly defined reasons...chief of which is the console is "too kiddie".

Yaaaaaawn, it got boring weeks ago. Plenty of people are going to wake up on Tuesday morning to a great console sitting under their tree. They'll get it set up, start playing the multiplayer of NintendoLand, and wonder what on Earth the spec obsessed were jabbering on about. Assuming someone put the update on the system before wrapping it up.....then they'll have to wait a wee while first. Even after that, they still won't care.
rainslacker  +   568d ago
What's funny is that even the hacker that first revealed these specs said that those numbers didn't matter and weren't indicative of what the system was capable of. Funny how that rarely gets reported or mentioned.

I'm really looking forward to what can be done with the controller. They had some unique things on the DS, and want to see how that transitions into a console style of play.
LAWSON72  +   568d ago
A cpu frequency does not determine how good it is. This cpu out performs the xbox's cpu (which i believe) is 3ghz quad core from 05, when it is only 1.3 ghz. As for the gpu it is still better than what the xbox or ps3 have to offer. That and the ram is 1gb, which is double xbox and x4 ps3s. You can say next gen is coming but the fact for the time is buy wiiu with the better hardware, graphics, and new big exclusives or buy a old console for $50 less which have old hardware and hardly any big exclusives coming out. Dont get me wrong with the older console you get great old games and a already large community, but when the new consoles come out odds are the old will be half their current price and those older great games will be to. It is smarter to buy the wiiu to be future proof.
jessupj  +   568d ago
How many times does the PS3's RAM setup need to be explained?

I'm not even going to bother.
JamieL  +   567d ago
You sure do take offence anytime someone says something negative or wrong about the PS3. Your PS3 means a lot to you huh? I just want to let you know it's ok if people don't share the same obsessive compulsive love of Sony you do. It doesn't devalue your purchase, or Sony at all. The mission you're one to protect Sony's honor, it's unnecessary. Sony's a big boy, he's got it. I just saw 2 comment's (so far) in this article where you, I guess, felt the need to swoop in and save Sony's face, and I felt compelled to say something. I hope I didn't come off as too harsh, I'm not trying to attack you. I just find it funny when people put so much stock into the "console war".
porkChop  +   568d ago
Actually, no, the Wii U's CPU does NOT outperform the 360's CPU. Which is a tri core, not a quad core. It's MUCH slower than both the 360's and the PS3's CPU. Many devs have already confirmed this.

The GPU is not faster, it's actually slower, but only slightly. The thing about the GPU is that it has more edRAM, which is very useful for developers. But even then, the amount of edRAM is still low, especially for a "next-gen" console.

Then there's the 2GB of RAM, not 1GB as you've claimed, which is also much slower than the RAM in current consoles. That extra RAM doesn't amount to much due to how slow it actually is.

The biggest problem though, by far, is the CPU. It's an 11 year old architecture. It's ancient technology, that is both slow, and horribly inefficient. It's so slow that it will bottleneck the rest of the console. It's going to limit things like AI, player count in multiplayer, physics, particles, map/level sizes, and a hell of a lot more.

Now some people have said, "Oh well the Wii U's GPU is capable of doing GPGPU. It can easily make up for the CPU". WRONG. GPGPU is a great thing to have, and yes, it CAN make up for SOME CPU related things. However, the vast majority of CPU related functions, especially the important ones, cannot be coded for GPGPU.

So it won't help much at all. What makes it worse is that the Wii U's GPU is a very low end model of it's GPU series, meaning that while it is CAPABLE of GPGPU functions, it's horrible at it and will not be useful at all.

Games will have 2 choices, focus solely on graphics, or focus solely on CPU related things. You simply cannot have both with the Wii U. The system might get by for now against the PS3 and 360, but it will be crushed and get left behind next-gen.

The Wii U is a very poorly planned, and poorly thought out console. It has many capabilities, but it doesn't have the necessary power to actually UTILIZE those capabilities. Nintendo made some very bad decisions when designing the Wii U, and it's all due to the controller.

That tablet controller accounts for more than half of the consoles entire production cost. That's why Nintendo will not be selling the tablet controller in stores. If your controller breaks you will have to go directly through Nintendo to get a replacement. So while the controller is great and can make for some great gameplay, it's actually done a lot of damage to the console, and I see this coming back to bite Nintendo in the ass in the long run.

(P.S. the PS3 has the same amount of RAM as the 360. The difference is that the 360 has 512mb of shared RAM for both graphics and system. The PS3 has 2 separate 256mb RAM modules, 1 for graphics and 1 for system. Oh and also, to your comment about lots of "new big" exclusives for Wii U, and "hardly any big exclusives" for PS3/360, there are actually very little exclusives coming out next year for the Wii U, whereas the PS3 has many. The 360 I believe only has 1 big exclusive next year though, which is Gears of War: Judgement.)
FanMan  +   568d ago
did you just use the word wii u and future proof in the same sentence? that's amusing.
Imalwaysright  +   567d ago
I can't take you seriously when you say that the PS3 hasn't big exclusives coming out. GoW, TLoU and Beyond must be a dream right? The 360 only has 1 big exclusive confirmed: GeOW but i believe that it is because MS will release their new console next year. .
chasegarcia  +   568d ago
if you are ok with uncharted,halo,killzone,etc graphics than you will also be ok with Wiiu. just saying. The wiiu is more powerful than ps3 and 360.
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Neonridr  +   568d ago
I am still amazed at a lot of the graphics that the 360 and PS3 can put out today. So if the Wii U is at minimum those graphics, that would be great. However, as developers learn to utilize the newer graphics card in the Wii U, I expect that the machine will start to look better than the other two systems.
Eyeco  +   568d ago
They said the same thing about the Wii yet 99% of Wii games look like PS2 games and in some cases worse, in fact there are actually original xbox games from 2004 that arguably look better than anything on the Wii just sayin
PopRocks359  +   568d ago
@Eyeco

That's because the people who developed those games CHOSE to make them look that way. Mario Galaxy and Skyward Sword are gorgeous games, as are Xenoblade Chronicles and Donkey Kong Country Returns. If those games were rendered in 1080p, they'd look like low-to-mid end 360/PS3 games.

You cannot fault Nintendo if third parties half-assed their support of the Wii.
Eyeco  +   568d ago
@poprocks359
I respect your opinion man, just a few things i wanna point out

1. I Know Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword look good but then considering the cartoony art style of those games they better look good, that said there are still games on the Original Xbox and PC that I played way back in 02/04 that imo look as good if not better than the best the Wii has to offer

2. HD really wouldn't make that much of a difference because like i said those old games still would hold a candle if I were to render them in HD aswel so bringing up HD was kinda pointless

3. Yes you can fault Nintendo because they chose to release a relatively weak system, why would a 3rd multiplat dev put in the extra time and resources to get the best out of the Wii if it's never gonna look as good as whats on the 360/ps3 especially if that game isn't gonna sell as well as the counterpart ? and to quote what Abizzel1 quoted from Metro2033 devs ...

"On top of that MANY developers have said the same thing, with a Metro 2033 dev. even going as far to say "I guess you don't need an powerful CPU for physics and AI when you're making Mario games." ouch
PopRocks359  +   566d ago
@Eyeco

1. What about Metroid Prime Trilogy, The Conduit and Xenoblade Chronicles? Halo 2 is one of the old Xbox's best looking games and it doesn't come close to any of those graphically.

2. Go on YouTube and look up Super Smash Bros. Brawl 720p emulator footage. Go look up the Super Mario Galaxy screenshots that are rendered in 1080p. Then you can get back to me.

3. No you can't because you hardly know if the system is weak. Why did the guys who made Nano Assault Neo say they could do things with the Wii U they simply could not on the PS3/360? Why will Aliens Colonial Marines look best on the Wii U?

You took that out of context. People have primarily said that the clock speed is low, which does not mean it's a weak CPU. It means the power it can provide is bottle necked to prevent burnouts.

Since we're going off word of mouth: Iwata said the Wii U's launch lineup doesn't use more than 50% of the Wii U's power. Ouch.
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bitboi  +   568d ago
The Uncharted series had some moments that made me literally stop and just take in the locales. Im amazed at what Naughty Dog have done in terms of GFX with the ps3.
kevnb  +   568d ago
Most people don't really understand specs anyway.
HateFanboys  +   568d ago
Like yourself, we are not talking about some new microprocessor design that doesnt need to run at as high a frequency in order to outperform older designs. We are talkin about a really old design that came out in 1997 as a PowerpC 750. Thereis nothing modern or high tech about the WiiU's cpu
rainslacker  +   568d ago
How does that change what he said? while your not wrong in your assessment, the fact remains that most people don't understand this stuff, which should be clearly obvious in the comments sections of these articles.

It's the same nonsense we had back when it was all about 8/16/32 bit. The bigger the number the better the machine, even though it wasn't accurate.
kevnb  +   568d ago
I didn't even say anything about the power, and who knows what IBM has done with this custom version. All we know is that the Wii u seems to be able to handle ports from 360/ps3 OK on day 1. Its possible that this is because of the newer GPU, but I would say the CPU must be more powerful than you think. This is a new custom made system after all. coders wouldn't be able to optimize fully this quickly. X86 is old as heck too, but it still works.
But anyway stop misleading people please.
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mcstorm  +   568d ago
I love they way people go on about specs on here. How many of you who talk about specs had a PS2 or a PSX?
HateFanboys  +   568d ago
Your point is retarded, cuz the ps1/ps2 had much better specs for their gen than the wii u has for its. Its a next gen consoles, with current gen specs
PopRocks359  +   568d ago
You know the PS1 was weaker than the N64 and the PS2 was weaker than the GCN and Xbox, right?
mcstorm  +   568d ago
@HateFanboys no your point is retarded as I was not talking about how it had better specs than the gen before I was talking about the gen it was in. the PSX has less power than the N64 and the PS2 has less power than the Gamecube and Xbox. Try thinking a little rather than come out with a statement like that.
@mcstorm

i got the same impression hatefanboys got of your post so maybe he has point and your post could have been worded better.

@Pop
the ps1 and ps2 may have been weaker for their gens then their competitors but both the ps1 and ps2 had better graphics than the n64 and gc. Not the xbox, that was clearly superior, but not the gc/n64
ElectricKaibutsu  +   568d ago
@The Real Peter Moore

The PS1/PS2 had better graphics than the N64/Gamecube? I loved the PS1 and PS2 but that's just not true...

Here's a video comparing the PS1 and N64:
http://youtu.be/pDQrC9zThfo

Here's a video comparing the GC to the PS2:
http://youtu.be/5qz0LbKpZtI
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cee773  +   568d ago
Do you all realize ps1 and PS2 released first so of course n64 and gamecube releasing a year later meant better specs right ps1 went up against the Saturn ps1 had better 3d effects than Saturn compare virtua fighter to tekken and see what I mean n64 came a year later and the differences were negligible ps1 won because of CD ROM it was cheaper and it took literally 11 n64 carts to to match the capacity of a ps1 CD ROM this is the main reason ps1 had all the exclusives it was cheaper carts will forever be more expensive than a CD or DVD that's the main reason n64 games were more expensive than ps1 games ps1 also had better quality sound blew 64 out the water in this department
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FanMan  +   568d ago
i think hate fanboys meant that although, slightly weaker the psx/ps2 were still comparable with the other system specs currently out during the same generation. while most believe the wii u is going to be left in the dust by ps4 and xbox3, even though its the same gen.
Spookshow  +   568d ago
Gamers that care about specs are but a minority among the whole gaming market, that makes them irrelevant.

I rather play most NES games over some of today's blockbusters with cutting edge graphics.
1upgamer99  +   568d ago
Xbox had more power than Gamecube and Gamecube had almost 2X's the power of PS2, guess what PS2 Blew the water out of Gamecube and Xbox combined, it went on to be the #1 selling console of all time. I never even owned a PS2, but I am just saying. PS2 still had great games, Xbox pretty much failed, as did Gamecube sales wise, but you know what, I did not sit and bash the PS2 or Xbox back then, I just played my PC, and Gamecube. I loved my Gamecube, heck there are some great games for it. When I got my PS3 a few years ago I started picking up some great PS2 games as well. It is a about the games people. A Nintendo hater or not, Metroid, Zelda, Smash Bros, Bayonetta2, Fatal Frame, 3DMario game, all first party games that will be amazing, and there are some games like Eternal Darkness 2 that are rumored(please, please,please) (Silicon Knights does not own the IP). I for one am loving the Wii U, I don't care if its CPU is based on two cans and a string! :)
mcstorm  +   568d ago
I agree and I asked the question How many of you who talk about specs had a PS2 or a PSX? and yet to have a reply. Game consoles have never been about how much power they have they have been about games. I am loving my WiiU and I was not a big fan of the Wii but the WiiU I am very impressed with it feels like the old Nintendo with the SNES and N64. The console is still young and it takes 12 to 18 months for developers to get there games out for it but by next Christmas it will be flying along.

I remember the PSX logo being don't under estimate of the power of Playstation and its the same with the WiiU.
stylishjerk  +   568d ago
Enough about comparing ps2, xbox, and gamecube and comparing it to xbox 360, ps3, and wii the power difference was not even that close. Graphics were clearly better for the xbox and gamecube but it was not lightyears ahead of the ps2. Resident Evil 4 looked better on gamecube, but it wasnt an eye sore. The playstation 2 could keep up with that generation, it wasn't an eye sore. Nintendo Wii on the other hand, was definitely behind the curve. The Wiiu remains to be seen.
lilbroRx  +   568d ago
That is false.

The GC was actually stronger overall. It had a stronger CPU even though its clock speed was slow(did 3 process per cycle opposed to the 1 process for the Xbox1 on top of other things). It could produce a lager variety of textures effects at once with almost no stress on the GPU do to the use of a TEV instead of Shader Modal 1. Its RAM was over 3 times as fast and its disc read speed was also faster.

The thing is that the GC was much harder to program for than the Xbox1 leading to most devs not making use of it capabilities.

The 2 games that hold the 6th gen console record for highest polygon count in game as well as number of effects implemented at once are both on the Gamecube( 2oMil Polygons, 60 FPS, fully normal mapped with dynamic shadows, advanced lighting etc.

http://bleedingedgegaming.f...

This game was impossible on the Xbox1 without heavy downgrades.

The rest of your statement is quite correct though.
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HateFanboys  +   568d ago
Wow, the level of ignorance coming out of you is unbelievable, the GC was not 2 times more powerful than the ps2. And the GC could not produce more polygns than the ps2. Also the GC had a Tranform and Lighting engine which was the precursor to Shaders and was not programmable. Whereas the Xbox had shaders and could do 8 textures per pass. The GC was nowhere near the Xbox's performance level. The Xbox would produce bump mapping and specular highlighting on nearly all their games, whereas the GC would barely ever do it. You are fanboy deluting yourself. Most games looked better on Xbox and PS2 compared to the GC
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lilbroRx  +   568d ago
@Hatefanboys.

I never said or even implied the GC was 2 times as powerful as the Xbox1. I only listed the specific attributes within the console that exceeded the relative component in the Xbox1 and nothing beyond that. I didn't say the console as a whole was twice as powerful. The stats are a matter of fact. You can research them. The only ignorant one here is yourself.

I said that it was "overall" more powerful. There were somethings that the Xbox1 could do better than GC and vice versa, but when it came down to the absolutely highest possibilities that each console could achieve the GC was slightly above the Xbox1 in real world capability.

The GC could produce bump mapping, bloom, specular highlight, EMBM, and other texture on all of its games. The developers not taking the time to program it to do so and the GC's capability are completely different matters. You had to create the shaders from scratch yourself and program them yourself manually on the GC which cost more money, took more time, most devs didn't know how to, so developers just didn't use it. It was never that it couldn't.

Rogue Leader had all of those things running on the GC despite other devs saying it couldn't even do them and it was a launch game. The devs simply faulted the console for their incapability like they did with the Wii and are doing with the Wii U now.

Its ironic that you speak of ignorance when you can't even read and need to create preferable negative statement to argue against.

It the same with the SEGA Genesis and the SNES. The SNES had the better graphics processor but the Genesis was overall the stronger console.

What games you think looked better on which console means absolutely nothing in regards to technical capability. That is only a matter of your personal opinion and personal preference. I'm talking technical facts. Learn the difference.
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MEsoJD  +   568d ago
The difference is that the WiiU is competing late in game with 6 to 7 year old consoles. It's what the wii should have been. PS2,Xbox, Gamecube were all around the same time and the graphic difference wasn't too big.
strigoi814  +   568d ago
what can nintendo do about it??? Nothing, they will just wait for wii u to be 100% hacked so it will sell like hotcakes..thats why 3rd party developers are still on the fence jumping to them..
bryam1982  +   568d ago
Lol at people saying look the wii U run mass effect and batman AC just fine maybe even better but the thing is nintendo was supposed to come out whit a next gen system not a current gen system but well like that guy said u don't need a powerful machine to run mario games lol
1upgamer99  +   568d ago
I think what people are trying to say about the Wii U is running these games as well as if not better, is due to the fact that the current Gen is maxed out and the Wii u is just starting out yet it is doing what it has taken developers years to accomplish on current gen. If you look at ports for 360, and PS3 at launch some were really really bad. I don't just mean looking, but playing. Wii U's ports look good and play well( Darksiders 2 is just ok). The Wii U is much more capable than current gen. Also the gamepad offers a more immersive gameplay experience. You can play in ways we could not before.
turgore  +   568d ago
WiiU is so weak...pathetic.
ConstipatedGorilla  +   568d ago
That doesn't mean there aren't games worth playing on it. Mario and Zombie U are fun and I downloaded Nano Assault which is really good too. Give it a chance you son of a gun!
1upgamer99  +   568d ago
"so weak...pathetic" what are You playing console wise right now? If you think Wii U is weak, well gosh it has newer more powerful tech than 360 and PS3..It will remain the most powerful console for at least a year. I am not worried about what I am going to play a year from now. Also 1st party games are going to play amazingly!
Triggytrolls  +   568d ago
I picked up a Wii U because it offers a different way to play games.

I will probably pick up the steam box too, just so I can enjoy some decent RTS games without the need to own a PC.
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MultiConsoleGamer  +   568d ago
Meanwhile the general public simply doesn't care.
MEsoJD  +   568d ago
The general public/consumers are uninformed idiots.
quantae06  +   568d ago
Nintendo wasn't going to say anything anyways. If someone said the Wii U had a 800mhz CPU, Nintendo response.... They aren't going to say anything. It's nothing new when Nintendo releases consoles. But it doesn't bother me one bit. I can look and play the games and find out if their to my liking. The Wii U is a good console in my eyes. It is actually more powerful then the 360/PS3 also, I'm not sure by how much though. Another thing... I think the CPU speed could possibly be faster then 1.2ghz, but no one knows for sure. The efficiency of the CPU isn't just defined by pure clock speed. But the fact that only one man hacked the console, and did it in Wii mode really doesn't prove the CPU's speed 1.2ghz to be a fact.
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wiiulee  +   568d ago
if i was nintendo i wouldnt respond either..nintendo doesnt care about system specs..and we all know the details already..wiiu does better graphics then ps3 and xbox360...what else is new besides haters and clowns looking to spin the story about the same foolishness that we've been hearing for the past 3 months....wiiu owners are too busy making games..nintendo is too busy making money and getting the wiiu up and running....
Triggytrolls  +   568d ago
I feel sorry for the people that are willing to spend £400/500+ to play another HALO, FORZA, GOW, FABLE. ;D
I feel even more sorry for anybody that would send
$300/350 on a system to play Mario, Metroid, Zelda
unmannedrobot  +   568d ago
i feel even sorry 'er for the anybody that would pay 500/600$ to experience rrod again.
$500/600? ok, kid keep wishing/guessing and i wasnt supporting the 360 for your information. You're just mad the Wii U is technically weak and pathetic.
MasterCratosKong66  +   568d ago
I feel sorry for people who care enough to pass judgement on other people's purchases.
BitbyDeath  +   568d ago
Wait to see what they produce at E3, then talk.
2v1  +   568d ago
Is this like gamecube where it only sold 25mill i think..i din't buy one of those did buy a wii tho and a Dreamcast,this is like the ps2 and the Dre@mcast had slight better graphics but came when the ps2 was dominating.the wiiu is competing whit current consoles and the ps360 combo is dominating the market..now the economy is in a depression and the wii was launch before we got into this slump.Im tired of wasting money whit all this games companys when it comes to systems release.Even if amazing ps4 and freeonline xbox came out i still be careful in being one of the first adopters.
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kagamer79  +   568d ago
What i dnt understand is why ppl bash other consoles. Its like music justcause u dnt like the kind of music i listen to doesn't make my music bad or any less enjoyable to me as the music u like. Ppl have different tastes so what. Same with consoles i dnt need cutting edge specs or graphics to have fun playing a game. Hell angry birds is a perfect example i love playing it and its a free game not 59.99 retail. In all honesty if specs matter so much to some of you why game on a console when pc is undeniably graphically superior. The fact some of u say nintendos a kiddie console is ridiculous. Think about what your saying video games were created for to market to kids. Dont believe me google it. So technically all consoles are so called kiddie. You ppl who argue about specs and graphics are the minority face it. Most consoles are bought by parents for who? Their kids so if nintendos a kiddie console so is microsoft and sony dont want like it tough go pc or stop calling nintendos kiddie. I mean come on do you think most moms go well that cpu is sh#t im going with sony? Hell no they dont they buy what they can afford and want to get regaurdless a specs. Same with hardcore gamers they go with the best their budget allows. My rambling point is at the end of the day most ppl dont care about the specs and the people that do are a way smaller majority. Plus think about this if 720 releases this 2013 xmas for 400 dollars lets say and eii u basic is 250 dollars by then which do u think the pareor average buyer will go for? I rest my case.
Ck1x  +   568d ago
Because its the cool high-school thing to do, go with what the mainstream likes... No different then most buying every Apple product known to man because they think it makes them look hip and current. Most of us that like exclusive games on competing systems will just buy those systems to play those games, its that easy people! As you have stated, because one likes a particular type of music doesn't make everything else bad in comparison.
Thepcz  +   568d ago
wiius SPLENDID future prospects
All this talk about the wiiu being feeble will disperse when zelda wiiu arrives on the scene. people will be gobsmacked.

all you will hear is crickets in the grass because it will be so beautiful nobody (other than trolls) will be able to say otherwise without losing all credibility.

i predict it will be THE game of the next gen, perhaps even the game that defines this decade. then take into account the next new 3d mario game, along with monolith (of LEGENDARY xenoblade fame)and their new game, all in glorious hd... its going to be tremendous
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Liquid_Ocelot  +   568d ago
Wow, you did went THAT far as to call it the game that will define this decade.
I'm speechless, I just hope you're being sarcastic which you don't seem to be.
Ck1x  +   568d ago
What many here have even failed to mention is how the PS3 is suppose to be so much more powerful than the 360 and yet this whole generation it has had a rough time running the same Multiplat games a the 360. Obviously we have seen from first party games that PS3 can have the better visuals between the two, so this leaves coding and that fact that most games this gen are structured with the 360 in mind. The Multiplat games that have come out so far on the WiiU, have been modified just enough to be playable on the console and should in no way be indicative of what the system is truly capable of in the end.
cee773  +   568d ago
No the ps3 has a slightly more powerful CPU than 360 but the 360 has a slightly more powerful GPU which puts them each on par with each other the 360 CPU is based off ps3'S CPU in the end the ps3 still has a slight edge because the cell can do a little GPU work on its own which is why ps3 has the best looking exclusives but Wii u is running ps360 ports even if its not optimized for Wii u if the Wii u is all powerful it should have no problem running ports like a strong PC rig has no problem running ports that's a red flag right there imo these ports are from 6 and 7 year old consoles
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Ck1x  +   568d ago
If only things worked that way! I can't put a 4cyl engine from a Honda into a 4cyl Ford just because they may produce similar horsepower and all. Things have to be modified and tweaked if they are to take full advantage of the target platform its going on. The WiiU is designed completely opposite of the 360/PS3 in that it is GPU reliant and not CPU as the other consoles are... Another point to make is how most Android phones today are clearly more poweful than the Apple equivalent. But most Apps that were created with iOS in mind run much better on those platforms than the Android devices.
animegamingnerd  +   568d ago
judging how powerful a system is even though it is a month old and most of the games on it are ports that weren't even made for the system in mind

fanboy logic
Rockefellow  +   568d ago
Hey now, that's not fair. I bought it day one, and the two ports I own look a lot better than Nintendo Land and New Super Mario Bros. Wii U.

I'm not saying that the system is underpowered, but it was definitely rushed to the market when even Nintendo can't make games that look better than their Wii counterparts.
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