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SynGamer  +   1154d ago | Well said
This would be absolutely the worst thing Nintendo could do, no only to the fans, but to themselves. It would all but guarantee developers drop support for either the Wii U or the Wii U 2 as you called this sequel.

Nintendo has made their bed, so to speak, and must live with the consequences. By launching a year early, they have given themselves that much more time to develop their next gaming box, but I don't see a release happening until at least 2016/2017, not for a true sequel/upgrade.

Realistically, the Wii U will be no different than the current generation. They'll have their first-party games that sell well. The games will be in 1080p and will eventually look better like all console generations do as time goes on. But the PS4 and Xbox 720 (tentatively named) will easily out-power the Wii U when they are released (hopefully next year).
Hatsune-Miku  +   1154d ago
Nintendo needs to launch a new console in 2013 that is at least 5 times as powerful as a Wii u. The Wii u is rubbish and weak

Why is it seen as "trolling" when someone expresses a logical opinion on a product that is lacking a lot of things. I was a big Nintendo gamer as others were and due to the release of the Wii a lot of NES fans thought nintendo Wii was lacking a lot of things where it wasn't able to compete with the hd consoles ps3 and xbox 360. The controller is inaccurate and it requires Wii motion plus for more accuracy and even then its still inaccurate.

The Wii u again Nintendo released a weak console where they abandoned the rubbish controller as the default controller and went for a design akin to the layout of the best controller design ever DS3 or xbox controller. The Wii is rubbish with a gimmick controller and now the Wii u is rubbish with a gimmick controller. Third party devs will barely support the Wii u like the Wii, GameCube, and ultra nes. It's Nintendos fault that the Wii u is rubbish along with NES fanatics. Buying rubbish will only make Nintendo see that there is a market for rubbish Nintendo products.

I can't wait for ps4 and 720
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Relientk77  +   1154d ago
A new Nintendo console for 2013, is even less plausible then 2014.
aquamala  +   1154d ago | Intelligent
If wii u is rubbish and weak, then so are ps3 and 360. Want to game on a powerful machine? Get a gaming pc.
ChickeyCantor  +   1154d ago | Well said
" Why is it seen as "trolling" when someone expresses a logical opinion "

You mean to say "rational" but even then you are just a lunatic.

It's your arrogance to think you're always right. You aren't. People call you a troll because you bash the Wii U but seem to praise 2 consols that are't even out yet.

" The Wii u again Nintendo released a weak console where they abandoned the rubbish controller as the default controller and went for a design akin to the layout of the best controller design ever DS3 or xbox controller."

And because you say stupid stuff like this.
They didn't abandon. They gave developers choice.

You're not "logical". You're just trapped in your OWN rational thinking. You're not good at discussions whatsoever.

You're just giant baby who want things his way. You can have your opinion. But when you say " logical opinion " Your self indulged mental-narcissism is showing,
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stragomccloud  +   1154d ago
It's okay Hatsune Miku. I know you're secretly a Nintendo fanboy. You're secret's safe with me. Opps, I guess the secret's out! Sorry!
chadboban  +   1154d ago
If this article is to be believed Sony should have launched the PS2 in 1997 and launched the PS3 in 2004, and Nintendo should have launched the Wii U in 2008, the 3DS in 2006. And considering this writer's logic the 4DS should have launched by now if I'm not mistaken.

Seriously guys. Given the way history has gone I think the Wii U is gonna be just fine. PS4 and Nextbox are going to be fine as well. Why can't we just enjoy video games and put petty fanboyism aside.
The_Infected  +   1154d ago
Nintendo screwed up is all I can say the only reason it's getting the attention now which still isn't much is because the other consoles haven't been unveiled yet. Soon as Sony, Microsoft, and Valve launch their consoles the Wii U will be the weakest and games will look like they do now while the real next gen systems move games into the future. You will see this year just wait and see.
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1upgamer99  +   1154d ago
Rubbish, and weak? Do you have one? Do you even know what you are talking about? No, I think you are just a dork. If you think Wii U is Rubbish and weak, what console are you playing RIGHT NOW? It matters not what is coming in a year or greater dude. You clearly have nothing better to do with your time than BASH a console that you don't even own...Yes I will get a PS4, BUT for now Nintendo Wii U is giving people MORE POWER than PS3 and 360, with a freaking gamepad, that makes gameplay that much better. From the size of your Anti-Nintendo posts, you have nothing better to do than BASH. Go play in your sandbox please.
MegaLagann  +   1154d ago
"Nintendo needs to launch a new console in 2013"
You and logic don't mix well.
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BlackWolf  +   1154d ago
You really are nuts...
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JayBlue  +   1154d ago
All I hear from Hatsume is the same over-used word: rubbish, rubbish, rubbish, and rubbish again... don't you know any other one?

It may be that, in some remote possibility, you are right, yet that doesn't grants you the right to come around and bash a console simply because their graphics or the controller weren't what you expected.

Like most of the users around here, I doubt you even touched the console, yet the box it's packed in.

Could it be that you wanted a new Nintendo console to fit your "hardcore dream" so bad, that you got angered when the Wii U was released and it wasn't what you wanted to have?

Please, do us a favor and grow up a bit.
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Kingthrash360  +   1154d ago
@ chadboban your absolutely right if the wii can BEAT the ps3 and 360 then why would this be a problem? Or if the 360 can survive the red ring saga or playstation getting hacked then the wiiU will be ok.
How's bout we just play games? Enjoy them and let the people who gets paid for selling the wiiU or 360 or ps3 worry about sales. It's not like we're making money.
Mounce  +   1154d ago
5 powerful as the Wii U?


Yous a special kinda stupid arentcha? :3
jmc8888  +   1154d ago | Well said
Well if they launched one 5x as powerful as the Wii U, then it might be 4x as powerful as the PS4 or 720. Maybe less. Maybe more.

I have no clue how much more powerful you expect the PS4 or 720 can be than the Wii U. Are you saying 5x to compete with or equal the others you expect to come out?

People do realize the Wii (which I never owned) beat in sales the PS3 and 360 in sales. So why you would disregard them as competitors given this recent history is pretty illogical. While history isn't future, surely you can't automatically discount the Wii which sold the most, had a huge hardware disadvantage, and that the Wii U to it's competitors would be a much smaller hardware gap.

5x the Wii U might be the equivalent of two GTX 690's. Odds are a GTX 660 will have a good amount more raw power than what will be inside any of the next gen consoles. Now once all the advantages or tricks of the new consoles are realized, I could see it equaling the GTX 660 or so. But I could also see the Wii U approaching an 5870. Thus while one may be 'better' it's really more like a notch lower in PC settings then a real difference. Will that be worth an extra $100-200 for the console? If not you, then parents buying it for their children?

I'm not even sure if 5x the Wii U is possible with on the highest end of PC tech. Either way, it would be up there, and nowhere close to up there will the PS4 or 720 be. I.E. A medium end 2012 PC gaming rig should throttle a PS4/720.

An i7 chip from 2008 should be vastly more powerful than anything the PS4 or 720 would have in it. Even if I'm wrong, there's no way in hell it would be beat. They don't have the watts, $$$$, or cooling to achieve 5x the Wii U.

I'd say more like 30-150 percent faster than the Wii U. Or in other words in today's games. A notch in the PC settings. Maybe a higher level of AA/AF. Slightly more intense tessellation.

But these are all guesses. What we easily know is....they don't create the tech, they license it from the creators at IBM, ATI/AMD or Nvidia, etc. It won't run high powered 300 watt individual parts...the whole console probably won't suck up 300 watts for everything.

They aren't going to SLI things. They aren't going to price it high or sell it at a or much of a loss. They don't want it to be unreliable (heat is a byproduct of increased wattage).

Also remember that a GTX 670 (that's the 3rd place in Nvidia's line...meaning two videocards faster and more expensive than it) costs $50 bucks or so MORE than the entire PREMIUM Wii U console... and you can have 2-3 of them in a pc.

Thus we won't have a 600 watt console, basically doubling the watts used by a 360. If anything we'll have less being used by a 720 than a 360 used when it launched, and maybe by 20-40 percent. Afterall, it did cost MS over a billion dollars just to address some of the faults with repairs due to a RROD. I had one, as well as other faults with the console.

If you can't wait for a PS4 or a 720, you could of gamed like them a year ago or so with a PC. Why wait? You can always pick up a 720 or a PS4 when they come out to. You're only waiting because you want to wait. (or maybe afford it).

I have a GTX 670 and bought a Wii U. I like my gfx card, but in a couple of years I'll probably upgrade it again. Either way, the PS4 and 720 I buy I don't expect to be as good as my GTX 670. They'll still be good systems, just like the Wii U is shaping up to be.

Nintendo has provided a capable, forward thinking system first and affordable. Why would they think of pulling the plug in under two years?
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vallencer  +   1153d ago
Where's your girlfriend mika??
N4g_null  +   1153d ago
It's trolling when you constantly do it. People that don't like stuff don't wait around waiting to talk about it.
BlaqMagiq24  +   1153d ago
Stop with the damn "Wii U is rubbish" and "I can't wait for the ps4" comments on every damn Nintendo article. It makes you look stupid as hell.
BattleAxe  +   1153d ago
I hate to say it, but I think that Nintendo's home console business is done for. Nintendo will become strictly a handheld console developer, and possibly a 3rd party developer for Sony. Its like I've been saying all along, WiiU is the Dreamcast 2.
tehpees3  +   1153d ago
Nintendo's IPs are strong enough to carry them over. They have arguably the strongest names in gaming.

Their games will carry them to profit like they always do.
corrus  +   1153d ago
As always you're right but cos NES fanatics how you called them not like the truth by the way i called them Nintendo monsters i think is better anyway i remember before to come out Wii U their dreams was that is 50% more powerful than PS3/360 after that was 20% more powerful their dreams even was that is gonna be powerful as high end PC Nintendo had lie you again and you're so blind trust them
AsimLeonheart  +   1153d ago
I dont know why Nintendo fans and defenders do not understand the problem with Wii U. Everybody knows its weak. It can barely pump graphics equal to PS360. In a year it may be pumping graphics a little bit superior than PS360 BUT the MAIN POINT is that it is NOT competing with PS360. It is going to compete with the upcoming PS4 and XBOX 720. It is common sense that a product has to be at least somewhat equal to the offering of the competitors. The Wii was a FLUKE. I repeat it was a fluke, pure luck and it is not going to happen again. All the soccer moms, casuals and grannies are on the mobile gaming bandwagon now. Nintendo needs to compete on equal terms now with its competitors. The whole purpose of releasing a new console is upgrading hardware to the current technology so that developers can make better games otherwise we would still have been playing the Atari.Graphics and power is a core competency of a videogame console. It is the area in which one console competes with the other. The developers will not bother with making a watered down port for Wii U every time they make a AAA title. Nintendo had the money and the resources to make a powerful console but they opted to bet their future on a tablet controller that is not even capacitative touch screen. Being first to the market also does not always helps. It may have helped the 360 but it did not help the Dreamcast.
I am not bashing the Wii U and merely criticising a decision by a company that looks questionable at the moment. Nintendo fans may love every console Nintendo releases and wish for it to succeed but the business world does not runs on wishes alone. It runs on offering a quality and competitive product or service that can convince a significant amount of customers to purchase it while preventing them from opting for the competitors offering. I do not see Wii U doing that especially once the PS4 and XBOX 720 releases.
megamanX2  +   1153d ago
"Why is it seen as "trolling" when someone expresses a logical opinion on a product that is lacking a lot of things."

Maybe because you are trolling you idiot. Thats like saying your xbox you've been playing on for the past couple years is rubbish.

"Even if they drop the price, they're still in BIG trouble when the 720/PS4 launch."

lol yeah just like the wii, and somehow it ended up in first place. You people have no idea what your talking about or what nextgen really is. Ok wii last gen the bran new wii u current gen got it.
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JayBlue  +   1153d ago
ok, with this reply I may sound like what you call nintendo fanboy, specially since I'm new here, but let's get some facts clarified.

Nintendo won't become "strictly a handheld console developer".
Nintendo's IP have enough strength to hold the platform. They are, most of them, by far, the most profitable IPs in the gaming industry. This will sound like cliche, but almost all gamers at some early age, even if it was once, played and had fun with a Mario game.
And there is no way, if Nintendo ever gets to fail, it will become a "3rd party developer for Sony". You really think Nintendo would give their best selling IP to a competing company? Not even to MS. If they stop making console hardware, they will stop producing software too.

The report you are referring to is the one made by Arvind Bhatia, an analist from Sterne Agee. Nintendo never said the console was going to have such specs as mentioned in that report. In the part were Bhatia was quoted, he said: “Some of the developers we spoke to indicated to us that the console will have 50% more processing power compared to the PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360.”
It was never a Nintendo statement.

How to explain it to you? Wii U defenders are aware that the console isn't as powerful as it was expected to be (you can send your gratitude to the rumors around the web). But they aren't defending its power, but it's potential. It may sound pedantic, but Nintendo's strenght isn't focused on graphics, but the gaming experience that their consoles can offer. This is why the Wii was the best sold console of its generation, what you call a fluke (not mentioning handhelds, we all know who's the winner there...). Well, last time I checked, the only consoles that still offers a multiplayer experience without relying too much in Online functions are Nintendo's. Most of the multiplayer games designed for Sony and MS consoles doesn't support even a 2 player-split-screen gameplay. Yes, online is fantastic, but casual gamers that want to enjoy some time with friends on the same living room, are mostly inclined to get a Wii or Wii U, at least that you consider the offerings from Sony or MS, which are really good indeed, but don't have that much wanted replay value.
Graphic-wise, yes, the Wii U is falls short in front of the current generation consoles, and with the PS4 & Xbox 720, it will be hard to catch up, graphic-wise. Indeed, developers have decided to skip the Wii U for this reason.
As i said on a previous comment on another discussion, yes, graphics makes games look better, but that doesn't means a game is actually better. For example, talking about handhelds a for a bit, the Nintendo DS was said to fail before the PSP, but its, without a doubt, the best sold handeld between them. The reason? umm talking about money, it was cheaper, but what impulsed the console were it's games, fun, attractive, entertaining games, and they didn't relied on amazing graphics or the most advanced tech to sell (honestly, the PSP is the winner in tech).
Again, as many said, the Wii U gamepad doesn't needs a capacitive touchscreen because its not meant to use gestures or have features were you need multi-touch imput. Capacitive is a better technology, yes, but could you consider that all of Nintendo picks could be in pro that you have a cheaper console? An affordable console?
Being honest, the Wii U may have a hard time selling to the "hardcore" segment of the market, but that doesn't means its not going to sell or that is going to fail. I myself, criticized the Wii U when it came out(im mostly a pc gamer), but one does have to see the product from all the possible perspectives.
And please, just give the console some time, it just came out.
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MizTv  +   1153d ago
I played it for the first time last week and was not impressed at all
madcowz64  +   1153d ago
It's not that it's "weak" it's just that it was expected to be stronger than the ps3 and 360 and it isn't.
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chronoforce  +   1153d ago
Release a new console only a year apart, sounds familiar. I'm looking at you Sega.
LOGICWINS  +   1154d ago
I feel that Nintendo has backed themselves into a corner with the Wii U. It'll be interesting to see how long they can keep up the smoke and mirrors.
dark-hollow  +   1154d ago
Smoke and mirrors?
LOGICWINS  +   1154d ago
Yes, smoke and mirrors that they're using to convince people that the Wii U is ACTUALLY a viable next-gen gaming platform for hardcore gamers.

Even if they drop the price, they're still in BIG trouble when the 720/PS4 launch.
lilbroRx  +   1154d ago | Well said
No, they aren't. You are lost in delusions of hate.

The only problem with the Wii U now is that it there are so few games coming out soon. I support Nintendo but I don't have a Wii U because there isn't anything enough to buy it out yet.

That will change when Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3 and game that Monolith Soft is developing come out.

Pure specs don't mean much of anything anyumore. Trine 2(the only Wii U port with effort put into it) has already demonstrated that the Wii U is technically superior to the last gen consoles and that is enough.

I have a gaming PC for when I want more than that, and I'm not looking forward to Sony and Microsofts consoles stifling the PC gaming market with their ports "again".
LOGICWINS  +   1154d ago
It's not hate, I WANTED to like the Wii U.

However the content that has been announced for the future is not enough to justify the price tag unless your the hardest of the hardcore of Nintendo fans.
darthv72  +   1154d ago
Lets say....
they have hit a do over moment in their company history. meaning that they have come full circle to where the wii could be the rebirth of console gaming for them. ALA the original NES.

Gaming has been pretty rocky for the last several years and the success and popularity of the WII is very much like when the NES was released in the US. It was a runaway hit.

So the natural progression of going from the Wii to the Wii-U would be akin to the transition from the NES to the SNES. Games were better, it offers more value in the sense that it is superior to the previous platform but also maintains that ability to play your entire library of wii, wii-ware games in addition to the growing library of wii-u games.

Something the SNES didnt really have when it came to the NES (officially anyway).

What I find most troubling is the insistent comparatives of what is current tech to future tech to old tech when the reality of it is the tech that drives any of these platforms is all progressive. Each one capitalizes on the strength of the previous one to progress up that evolutionary ladder we have been climbing since pong.

Its one thing to have a distaste for a particular company. But dont hate the game. you can hate the players (Nintendo, Sony, MS) but their contributions to this entertainment outlet are all genuine and each one really believes they are trying to offer something unique to the next.
WiigotU  +   1154d ago
If logic wins yours is truely flawed.
Allow me to explain my thoughts. if the ps4 is to be successful sony can't afford to take a loss on the system like it did with the last generation. Also Sony is struggling in japan and it has taken them a long time to barely sell 70 mil. That's not a failure by any means but they barely started making a prophet. Sorry to say if you think sony is making exclusives because they love there fans then your wrong.

They appreciate there fans but know in order to keep interest in the system they have to attract new fans but the fans that have a xbox aren't running out to buy a ps3.

Now lets look at price point. The wii u is set at a perfect price point and all nintendo has to do is release somewhat of a game changer in the near future but not only that release 3 .

So the ones who should be worried is sony vs microsoft as those two consoles will be looking to compete with each other and that steam box system.

Times is rough and I work two jobs and can only afford one other system to compliment my wii u. If reports are correct the x box and playstation will be so similar that the only thing that will support the tww will be there control imput.

Now the question is who will immitate nintendo first or who will be original.
ElectricKaibutsu  +   1153d ago
I tend to find LOGICWINS to be one of the more level headed commenters, but I still disagree with him/her here. Undoubtedly the Wii U will be less powerful than the PS4 and 720 but I don't think that's their big problem. Nintendo systems have a stigma that only Nintendo games sell well on them. It's been that way since the N64. Having 3rd party support is the No. 1 most important aspect of having a popular system. People seem to forget that the ill-fated Dreamcast (and GC and xbox) was more powerful than the immensely popular PS2, which became the best selling console of all time thanks to 3rd parties. I'm not lying about the Dreamcast being that powerful, btw, feel free to double check me on that.

I don't know if the Wii U will do well, but I think it depends on where the 3rd parties go and not what the clock speed of the processor is.
NBT91  +   1153d ago
Visually sure i thought the same thing but I bought a Wii U the other day and the difference between playing Bayonetta 2 on wii u versus any other console will be that the wii u lets me sit downstairs with my mum and sister and play it while only the console is on upstairs.

That is what is great about the wii u and yeah the vita can do it but remote play is half assed in comparrison.

Without owning one its tricky to imagine why you would want a Wii U but they really are different to the other consoles, the nextbox and ps4 will dwarf it but they wont be able to offer the same experiences and that is why the WiiU will be fine I think.
Bigpappy  +   1154d ago
That article needs a "/s" and ":)" at the end. They just spent all their profits from the wii, making wii u. Now you expect them to replace that console in one year and ask their fans to shell out another 300 bones?... Must be written by a Madden or COD fan.
Kingofwiiu  +   1154d ago
This article is a true JOKE lol. WHo cares so much about power ? PS vita VS 3DS . One is considerably more powerfull and is horribly failing.

Do you really think Nintendo is interested in selling super powerfull consoles at a company threatening loss ? HELL NO.

There is nothing wrong with the wiiu's graphics. Sit down and Play Nano Assault Neo and the Rayman Legends demo and Trine 2 directors cut and you can see the console has potential graphically and we have only seen the tip of the iceberg.

Not everything is a horsepower race *sigh* I actually think people in the future are going to be A LOT more wary about power consumption on ALL appliances. So if the wiiu uses a fraction of the power the 720 and ps4 do , then that's a huge selling point.

The wiiu will be here until 2018 , Whether you ''hardcore gamers'' like it or not. I am gunna love mine along side my other 8th generation consoles. I actually see Sony going bust rather soon...
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WiigotU  +   1154d ago
@ Wenaldy He was making a comparison so calm down he is able to have an oppinion right? Why you so salty?
ElectricKaibutsu  +   1153d ago
"So if the wiiu uses a fraction of the power the 720 and ps4 do , then that's a huge selling point."

As an adult who pays for my own electrical bill, I can agree with this. Having a lower power console that you use often could save you over 100 bucks a year. That's two games right there! Also the Wii U uses less power than the PS3 and 360, but they're old tech, before going green caught on so I'm not bashing them for it. I'm sure all the next gen systems will be energy conscious.
MikeMyers  +   1153d ago
Gaming is about having fun, not which is the most powerful. If people really wanted to support the best by design it would be the PC but hundreds of millions don't for whatever reason.

Nintendo has said they are not making any money currently on the hardware and the price is $300-$350. After all the flack the PS3 got for its high price why would Nintendo release a system that is higher than that?

I'm not sure where all this entitlement attitude comes from but each generation it seems to get worse. They want everything but don't want to pay for it. The Wii U is the first system to have a tablet controller included with the hardware. How much is a Vita/PS3 combo? The Wii U also has no lag between the controller and the system. It is designed from the get go to work in tandem.

Gaming is supposed to be an enjoyable hobby but it seems like people would rather bitch and moan all day long instead. Constantly saying things like 'Vita is doomed, the Wii U sucks, Microsoft are evil, Call of Duty gamers are noobs.'

Is this really why some people come to the forums, to fester and portray negativity all day long? Nintendo isn't going to release a new console in 2 years. They may have a new revision of the existing Wii U or a new handheld but not a whole new console.
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showtimefolks  +   1153d ago
Lol no. Nintendo came to the party late. They should have launched wii HD which is now wii-u in 2010. That way by 2015 they could have launched their next system

I know Nintendo fanboys will click disagree but understand this a lot of big 3rd arty games in 2013 are not slated to come out for 2013, so in the long history of Nintendo they haven't gotten great 3rd party support since NES and now wii-u is in a loosing position.

I hope it changes but 3rd party big games and Nintendo home consoles don't go together. Also Nintendo has to do whatever it takes to get GTA5 on wii-u. Whatever they have to do because that will be making a statement.

Not saying wii-u will fail but if we gonna compare it with next Xbox and ps4 than I don't see it succeeding . But I am excited to play Nintendo's 1st party games in HD
Jazz4108  +   1153d ago
This article read like it was written from a spoiled child.
avengers1978  +   1153d ago
Releasing another new console right away would certainly doom Nintendo, what they will most likely do is release games like Zelda, Mario, and metroid and lower there price when ps4 and nextbox come out...
they might be out matched in terms of power, but they will have the year lead. The main thing will be If third party devs continue to make games people want for it.
N4g_null  +   1153d ago
The proof is in the games not the tech. To believe consoles are high end is a mistake and a lie. Pc are high end not consoles. The highest believed spec of last gen was the ps3. It use lots of 5-7 year old tech with one main feature that was new blu ray. The cell was new but poorly executed. The wiiu has the tech to do Hd gaming justice now. That is what really matters. You can over shoot the console market in the middle of a resession while carrying a huge debt if you want to. That is how companies die and get disrupted.

Look around many hd gamers are feed up with last gen Hd gaming because it was mostly a lie. Many of these gamers are going pc now. A cheap amd fx CPU and a good CPU.

What stopped the wii was compatibility with Hd tvs and hd content. Also programming will be making the switch to gpgpu support of some sort so intel and amd can keep advancing their tech.

All of this is great but the life blood of gaming is gaming, you know game play. Story, graphics, tech, are distractions that turn almost infinit replay into limited replay like movies. True some of this could add to game play but I have seen a project like that green lit in a long long while.

So it's looking like ms and nintendo will be left. Sony can not possibly win tech wise and their ips don't have the replay of nintendos at the moment. We all know talent from Sony will go to nintendo or ms. Heck nintendo is already hiring Sony talent.

So we can talk about the ground of a race track or the cars, you know the things that make racers winners. These journalist really do not understand this media and the agenda of artist wanting gaming to be some thing it never was will cause companies to close.

This is about gaming and we can guess what nintendo hand is and they have a lot of aces that have been crushing diversion since the 486 intel chips. If you actually witness the wii on a dlp HDTV or the dolphin emulator then you can see why this isn't even going to be fair.

Once the games start to get announced we will get to see. When you base your games on challenge then people will get hook. When you based them only on story then please understand books and DVDs do not cost $60 dollars. If we need all this tech then where are the Floyd dynamic and potiential synthesis games?
MultiConsoleGamer  +   1154d ago
You don't get more "trolling for hits" than this.
stragomccloud  +   1154d ago
I don't know why people don't just ignore this one. This one is clearly just out to ruffle some feathers. Anyway, who outrightly hates a company, and completely ignores its' great games, or potential for great games, is not a gamer. They are a "bandwagon player."
Relientk77  +   1154d ago
Designing and creating a video game console takes time and money. If Nintendo just released a new console in November 2012, even if they wanted to, making a new console for 2014 would be extremely difficult. They would have to work on all the aspects of a console, and improve on the Wii U, and make more features. They would need to give gamers even more reasons to purchase it. The Wii U may have a hard time competing with the Xbox 720, and PS4, arguably with visuals/graphics most will say; and even 3rd party games. However, this has yet to be seen, those consoles have not been released yet. If Nintendo wanted to release a new console in 2014, they would have to be working on it right now. Nintendo also has to support the Wii U though and put games on it gamers want. Nintendo releasing a new console a meer 2 years after a new console, is EXTREMELY unlikely.
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Blues Cowboy  +   1154d ago
I'd prefer a new version of the Gamepad with a capacitive touchscreen that supports multi-touch. Personally I feel that the Gamepad gives the Wii U scope to deliver truly revolutionary games, but they'll need to make the most of their second most important innovation.

The first, of course, being MiiVerse - which is probably the most forward-thinking console innovation I've seen in years.
Ck1x  +   1154d ago
I have a question, what has capacitive touch screens brought to gaming that can't be done with analogue sticks and buttons? Everyone seems to keep throwing out there that the screen isn't capacitive and multi-touch. But what game besides a casual Pet Sim or pinch and zoom on the web browser would you use muti-touch for?
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ElectricKaibutsu  +   1153d ago
Capacitive screens are so cheap now that I couldn't imagine Nintendo going with a resistive screen just to save money. If I had to guess I'd say Nintendo decided based on resistive screens being more durable and more accurate. As other people mentioned, I can't think of an advantage a capacitive screen has over resistive that isn't easily solved by the buttons and joysticks.
TongkatAli  +   1154d ago
This article is bull
BitbyDeath  +   1154d ago
Jumping the gun i think.
It is possible that they may need to do this but how bout we see how it sales first?
Kingofwiiu  +   1154d ago
Yeh. it's selling terribly. Even after once its done a month each in all three BIG regions it will be on about 2-3 Million consoles sold.

The wiiu is gunna sell huge , whether people want it to or not.

Does anyone remember the articles saying the 3DS is too weak and that it's a stop gap and another handheld will be released in 2013 LOL.

People just don't understand Nintendo. You either love them or hate them it seems.
But please don't question their ability to make money and be successfull. They're the best in the industry at that...
evilhasitsway  +   1154d ago
i dont think that would be the best idea for them to put out another console not even a year later. yeah they will be behind because of steam box,720 and ps4. but if they dont give the wiiu a chance for at least a year or two they will go under look at sega with the sega saturn and then they pushed dreamcaste. thats why they went under and sold.
Ben_Grimm  +   1154d ago
If I remember correctly Sega did the same thing for the Saturn/Dreamcast which in one of the main reasons Sega has to resort to software only.

There is no way Nintendo should even consider doing this.
mcstorm  +   1154d ago
You are right. The dc imo was an amazing console but did not get tbe big 3rd party support. The one thing Nintendo have going for them is there own ips. They always sell alot of mario, mario kart, zelda and metroid games. If they can also get the 3rd party games selling well on them too then it could be ms and dony playing catchup next gen.

People keep going on about cod not selling well on the wiiu well it was never going to as. Most people who play cod games already have a 360 or ps3 so they are not going to buy a new console just for this game.

I give the wiiu 12 months just like the 3ds and it will be selli g very well as it will have some big 3rd party games as well as some of the big nintendo names too.
DivineAssault  +   1154d ago
Ya, thats NOT going to happen.. Its ok to wish n dream at times but thats ridiculous to even consider happening.. wii u isnt even 6 months old & will only be 2-3 yrs old if this would happen so thats out of the question.. Wii u has some decent power under the hood & these launch titles havent even pushed the console at all yet.. I know it wont hang with PS4/720 for core gaming but the games wont look ugly since its HD now..
AznGaara  +   1154d ago
Umm... what?
GraveLord  +   1154d ago
kirbyu  +   1154d ago
Why does everyone think graphics is all that matters?
LOGICWINS  +   1154d ago
When your spending $300+ on a console, high end graphics/production values MATTER. They aren't ALL that matters, but they DO matter.

Having games that people want to play also matters.

The Wii U currently lacks both. The PS3 was in a similar situation in 2006, but has improved tenfold due the talented first party studios under Sony's belt and an online service that rivals if not topples XBL.

Nintendo doesn't have these same tools to lift them up from the ashes.
OneAboveAll  +   1154d ago
LOGICWINS... apparently it doesn't in your case.

The Wii U currently lacks both because it JUST CAME OUT. Just like you said, the PS3 was in a similar situation. So you would be eating your words when a year or two down the line the Wii U pull's a PS3 and has a crap ton of exclusives and games.

As a matter of fact, I know it will. Nintendo has a lot of first party titles you can't get on either PS3 or the 360.

Nintendo's in house games alone wreak of higher quality than anything Sony can put out and has games and characters people LOVE.

So shut your mouth and enjoy your Playstaton All-Stars Smash Bros. clone Captain Derpherp.
LOGICWINS  +   1154d ago
"LOGICWINS... apparently it doesn't in your case."

Starting a reply with an insult...I'm definitely going to read your comment and take it seriously.

LOGICWINS  +   1154d ago
"So you would be eating your words when a year or two down the line the Wii U pull's a PS3 and has a crap ton of exclusives and games."

Just like the Wii pumped out all those AMAZING exclusives right?
kirbyu  +   1154d ago
Yes, I know good games matter. That's the point I was trying to get across.

Now even though M-soft and Sony will have better graphics, the Wii U's are fine.

And the Wii U does too have good games. Game & Wario, Scribblenauts, Madden, NBA 2K 13, Nintendo Land, Tekken Wii U Edition, Mario, Pikmin 3 in a few months, enough said.

I know some of those aren't exclusives, but they have Wii U exclusive features.

Also, the Wii did pump out great exclusives.

Twilight Princess, Brawl, Skyward Sword, Super Mario Galaxy, Galaxy 2, Mario Party 8 & 9, Wii Party, Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Play, I mean come on. And all the great games from GameCube and Virtual Console are on it, so, there's that. Sony & Microsoft still don't even have backwards compatibility. Sure, they're always ahead on online play and duel analog sticks, but they still don't have something that matters Nintendo does have, backwards compatibilty.
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chillhomie  +   1154d ago
@LOGICWINS Play your games and chill out dude. Every time I see you commenting your complaining or moaning.

Back on topic: it would Be absurd and foolish to release a system within 36 months of its predecessor. Its bad business. Look no further than Sega and what happened with dreamcast. One of the basic practices of business is to emulate success, not failures.

"Just like the Wii pumped out those AMAZING exclusives right?"

Yes, yes it did. I'm really starting to question if we have true passionate gamers out there who simply enjoy playing great games or do we have more whiners/bro gamers/haters out there. If your not into Nintendo games then that's fine, but there's amazing games on wii you just have to be open-minded and mature about it. If you hold on to a childish malicious view towards it then you'll never enjoy it as intended.
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jmc8888  +   1154d ago
What you're forgetting is $300+ on a console is cheap.

PS3 clocked in at $600, before the dollar lost 2/3 of it's value since.

It DOES offer good graphics. Not ultra graphics, but that's where bigger, costlier, more powerful PC's come in.

The Wii U at a bare minimum has same graphics with better lighting of the standard PS3 and 360's graphics are.

Games people want to play does matter, which is why BY FAR the biggest selling games that came out in the 360/PS3/Wii era were ALL on the Wii.

Here's something you might have missed....add up all the copies of Halo ever sold on 360, xbox, and PC. Made by Bungie or 343.....

....and the singular title Mario Kart Wii sold more than that.

Nintendo has a business because of it's IP's. So for you to say they don't have the same tools to life them from the ashes is overlooking the fact that their 'tools' called their ip's have made them profitable almost constantly since they entered the video game market.

People just don't understand that Mario Kart Wii greatly outsells Call of Duty.

What the console can do is just beginning and there will be plenty of games coming out for the system in due time.

Again the Wii had six games sell more than 20 million units. The 360? Zero. The PS3? Zero. Me? I didn't buy a single Wii game since I didn't have one. I bought the Halo's, the CoD's, the Resistance fall of man's, etc.
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younghavok  +   1153d ago
So people dont want to play Call of Duty? Or Assassins Creed? Or Mario? Or Mass Effect? Or NBA 2k13? These are games that people dont want to play? If thats the case, what games do people want to play on the other consoles?
N4g_null  +   1153d ago
What is the main excuse for not like wii exclusives. They where not hd...

Pc for example are and will stay more powerful than consoles. Yet why do we mostly get gimped ports on more powerful tech?

We are currently in a sweet spot area price, ability and execution wise for creating games. Tech only matters if you can not port down.

So tech is going to be some what on a level playing field unless you really want to pay laptop prices. $300 doesn't even get you a good gpu on pc builds. Sure it is better than a console and that illustrates my point. Cost is a huge factor when justifying profit.

I'm curious who would want to spend $200 million and not multiply their profit? Lots of these games are visually nice but they are not that high end in structure where we need crazy power to make the games that the majority wants.

Consoles have always had a few things over pc gaming. Arcade graphics and game play, more imaginative, less stuffy or serious, lots of reply with out the Internet and every one could afford it so your pool of possible gamers is way bigger.
Kos-Mos  +   1153d ago
Your fanboyism have reached a level unreachable. Did you use a game-genie?
iamnsuperman  +   1153d ago
It is preformance as well. Wii u does have an issue with load times and on ports frame rate issues. Graphics really only matter when Sony and Microsoft are involved. If the release better and more powerful machines third party will drop like it did for the Wii.
Theyellowflash30  +   1153d ago
Thats the problem, their rushed ports. When developers have more time with the system and games you wont see those framerate issues.

Many PS3 games had framerate problems when ported from the 360. You got to spend more time with the system. Plus new hardware. GPGPU, gotta learn to use the GPU to help out the CPU. All the ports just turned over the code without using the GPU to assign tasks the CPU usually does.
Npugz7  +   1154d ago
Nintendo screwed themselves with there weak hardware and are gonna see the results from it when the big guys showup next year!
deletingthis34675334  +   1154d ago
Just like how Nintendo screwed themselves with their weak hardware 3DS when the PSVita released...
PopRocks359  +   1154d ago
You could argue for a number of console generations, actually.

Playstation was weaker than the 64. Number one seller.

Playstation 2 was weaker than the GCN and Xbox. Number one seller.

Wii and DS were weaker than their competition and those were number one sellers.

3DS is also currently outselling the Vita, particularly in Japan.
Hicken  +   1153d ago
The Wii U is aimed at the same demographic as the next two systems likely will be. Not so with the 3DS versus the Vita.

That said, I don't think it makes any sense to come out with a new system, nor do I believe it'll be necessary.
SuperShyGuy  +   1154d ago
Well considering they are focused on getting this console settled in, and to get a console out by 2014 they'd have to start on it RIGHT NOW.

Investing in R&D, which they did last year going into losses for the foreseeable future, this is never going to happen.
Neko_Mega  +   1154d ago
Wii U 250GB model, they seem to need to come out with a Wii U with more hard drive space.

Other then that, theirs no need for a new console. Plus thats a dumb idea because it would cost them alot of money to make a new system.
lilbroRx  +   1154d ago
The Wii U has no hard drive and it was made with the intention of you using an external drive...
mrbojingles  +   1154d ago
Go to Best Buy, Amazon, New Egg, Wal-Mart, K-Mart, etc

Buy a 500GB to 1TB USB Hard Drive for $50 to $80, varying prices.

Plug it into your Wii U, format it and you're good.

Problem solved and it is likely cheaper than shipping the Wii U with an actual hard drive.
aquamala  +   1154d ago
since Wii U can just use external hard drives as storage, there's no need to get a model with big drive like you do for PS3/360.
lilbroRx  +   1154d ago
Why do people flock to trashy news like this?+

This is the exact same stupid argument people were making with the Wii when they were saying "Nintendo must release a WiiHD!!! or their DOOOMED" all those years ago.

Bad articles like this aren't even worth discussing.
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PopRocks359  +   1153d ago
Trolls and haters. People love to hate things on this site.
stage88  +   1154d ago
Wii U is fine now but when the PS4 and 720 hit next year the wii u will be left in the dust. I believe it will get no-where near the number of sales as the original wii.
lilbroRx  +   1154d ago
And I believe that will be even more the case for the Orbis/Durango in comparison with the sales of the PS3 and 360.

I'm kind of lost on how the PS4/720 release correlates with having sales like the Wii though. Last I checked, the weakest console always had the most sales and that doesn't seem likely to change anytime soon.

I wish beating "myself" was my greatest challenge. That'd just consolidate that I'm at the top. I assure you that Nintendo is feeling no pressure from Sony or Microsoft, or as Iwata said "We do no care what kind of 'more beef' console our competitors make."
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aquamala  +   1154d ago
just how powerful do people think the next ps/xbox are going to be? me and my i5 + Radeon 7950 are ready to laugh at the specs

yeah I can't wait til the specs are revealed, the fanboys will be saying to PC gamers that specs are not important, it's all about the games lol.
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kirbyu  +   1154d ago
And why is that? Because of the other consoles' games, or the other consoles' graphics. If both, which reason would you say is more important?
Ck1x  +   1154d ago
The PC has much better graphics than either PS3 or 360 and that didn't stop those consoles from selling. Vita is a much more powerful system over the 3ds but that system isn't doomed because the Vita launched! Truth is if Sony and Microsoft launched these systems tomorrow, most of you probably couldn't afford to even buy one. Sony and Microsoft have an even bigger problem, the sales of the current gen of their hardware is still high... So how does one release new hardware when the demand hasn't died yet for the old yet? They will have a harder time competing with themselves let alone whatever Nintendo does in its arena.
KonaBro  +   1154d ago
Nintendo isn't going to release a new console anytime soon but you can believe that this will affect them going forward with developers already saying that the Wii U will be outclassed by the PS4/720 when they come out. It's pretty telling when several major multiplats coming out next year don't even have a Wii U version coming out beside them. If you are a Nintendo fan looking for 3rd party support, Wii U isn't going to cut it.
MegaLagann  +   1154d ago
"It's pretty telling when several major multiplats coming out next year don't even have a Wii U version coming out beside them"

Ever stop to wonder that maybe those games were in development prior to the devs getting Wii U dev kits and decided it wouldn't be a good idea to add another platform to develop for so late in the game's development cycle that it might cause the game to be delayed? You didn't, well, what a "surprise".
KonaBro  +   1154d ago
Nice try.
Wii U was known about by developers for quite some time. If Wii U could have Assassin's Creed III and Ninja Gaiden 3 at launch, there's no excuse for not having future games added into a game's release. Those were in development before Wii U devkits came out before so what's your excuse?

Oh, you don't have one and neither does Nintendo. Next!
iamnsuperman  +   1153d ago
That is partly true but it is a little bit of a concern considering developing for the Wii U is easy and it isn't that costly to port it either. Doesn't take much to port a game. One way or another Nintendo really need to start securing these games
NBT91  +   1153d ago
True but how is that a problem for the Wii U? Nobody is going to buy one to play games that are already available on two other consoles, it's for all the experiences that are available on no other console, of which the Wii U has so many of those I wouldn't even know where to begin listing them.

So what if I can only play assasins creed 8 on my 720 or PS4? I can't play F Zero, super smash bros, Mario, Mario Kart, MarioParty, Warioware, Pikmin, Zelda or Starfox and many others (Mertorid?) on either of those consoles. And as for the controllers, if either Sony or Microsoft have a controller that in any way resembles a tablet or even has a screen on it then it will prove once again that Nintendo got it right first.

Wii u is an excellent addition to any gamers library because of how different it is not because it's powerful or is the lead platform for call of duty black ops modern warfare in space 6
ISNeko  +   1154d ago
No they don't. The console is great the way it is now. Everyone is just being a huge cry baby out graphic fidelity. The games look good and play great. I for one, switched to the Wii U for Black Ops 2 because my PS3 version freezes ALL THE DAMN TIME.

Nintendo will probably come out with pads with better multitouch screens, support for more than one, and bigger hardrive. As long as they keep up their great digital store, I'm sticking around. I plugged a spare 2TB I had and the Wii U formatted it for use in like 15 seconds.
aquamala  +   1154d ago
yep I will be getting multi plat console games on Wii U from now, the games at launch already look at least as good as PS3/360, it will only get better from here as devs learn to program the console, games on PS3/360 haven't looked better since 2009.
mrbojingles  +   1154d ago
Good lord that's a terrible article.
CRASHBASHUK  +   1154d ago
maybe the next DS?
JasonKCK  +   1154d ago
they just released a new console. good or bad it will be at least another 5 years. i dont even see whats wrong with it. its an upgrade 2 current gen.
metroidfusion2  +   1154d ago
Ok why do people assume so many things lol going off of RUMORS the 720 doesn't come out until next year or 2014 angoing off of RUMORS the omni doesn't come out untill 2013 to 2016 and FACTS the 360 and ps3 will be supported until at least 2015 and FACTS nintendos first party LAUNCH TITLES are in native 720p and run at 60fps on the gamepad screen and the tv at the same time and FACTS 3rd party games. Are in native 720p and 60fps or native 1080p and 60fps FACTS as of now that I know since I do something called RESEARCH and know FACTSS FROM OPINIONS AND RUMORS AND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY the wii u has as of now 10 native 1080p and 60fps games POSSIBLY MORE and FACTS there are going to be many surprises for the wii u in games and other things and FACTS GOING OFF OF GAMING HISTORY WITH ALL OR ALMOST ALL OF THE CONSOLES THROUGHOUT TIME HAVE IMPROVED GRAPHICS LATER IN ITS LIFE and that the wii u LAUNCH GAMES look as good or better then games that have been in development on the other consoles for years is definitely next gen and then the gamepad controller and I'm sure more things and people bitch about nintendo not doing this and not doing that then when nintendo ddoes those things and a lot more they still don't get ccredit but I like how nintendo stands out and doesn't follow the dumbass norm aand also GOING OFF OF RUMORS the ps4 and 720 wont be much more powerful tthen the wii u which is expected tthere is only so much consoles can do but I do expect the 720 and ps4 to be doing native 720p and native 1080p and 60fps now everyone knows the first party can push the systems probably to its max and soome 3rd party but will more 3rd party push the systems and also going off of RUMORS THE low end ps4 and 720 are priced right but the higher end models I don't know but just like everyone else I will have to wait and see so the question is how come people don't know fact from rumors and how come people can do research are you retarded or something and can anyone tell me what a wii u game that pushes the system. Built from the ground up looks like no I don't think anyone can but I'm sure nintendos first party usual games will blow everyone away and I can't wait for their 1st party surprises and I also can't wait for the. 3rd party exclusive surprises etc etc and if you don't do research or if you haven't evven played the wii u then shut the fuck up and wait until. E3 so ya dumbasses can learn something shit a bunch of bakas
Dlacy13g  +   1154d ago
A new console? Fat chance... A new sku, different bundles, colors, etc... Highly likely. I would think Nintendo would offer up a new handheld before a new console if they are going to do anything in the "new" hardware space.
jacksheen0000  +   1154d ago

Nintendo is not going to release another gaming console until 2016-2017. In terms of Wii U's graphical capabilities being so weak, I think Nintendo was forced to take their new Game pad in account for how much more work would be needed from DEvs to program sub menu/etc to the Wii U's game pad controller.

Though, this of course will definitely be a major problem for Nintendo when Microsoft/ Sony release their Next gen console. multiplat games that are released on all game console(720/PS4 would be heavily priced if 3rd party DEV have to do the extra work.

So I guess that why Nintendo went with a weak console to balance out the workload, so Devs don't have to spend to much time working on the graphics.

My 2 cents...
Theyellowflash30  +   1154d ago
How many developers will have the money to develop on the PS4 and 720? I think the Wii U will have its share of exclusive games cause it is cheaper to develop for and it does have the gamepad.

Your selling the Wii U's graphics short, We haven't seen what it can do yet. Give it some time. Japanese developers have already moved over to the Wii U, Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, Bayonetta 2 all Wii U exclusives.
jacksheen0000  +   1153d ago
Sure, Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, Bayonetta 2 are all great Wii U exclusives, but that won't be enough to satisfy all hardcore gamers.

Though, I think Nintendo was completely aware the mistake, and and that if they introduce a tablet game pad for their Next gen console, it would require more cooperation from 3rd party Devs to spend the extra game development time to add sub menu/etc to the Wii's U games. Both for tablet game pad/pro controller's functions would have to be programed and implemented in every game released for the wii U. Thats double the work. Game development time is limited so would make sense to create a weak system such as the wii U. Think about it.
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ceballos77mx  +   1153d ago
Thats a good point, some developers (especially newer ones) wont have the budget to make those big AAA games that's most people love on the next systems so probably well be seeing some very fun and unique titles on the wii u.

On topic it'd barely been a month out and they want a new Nintendo system, let it grow its like the vital let the damn system grow and developers learn to use it.
iamnsuperman  +   1153d ago
They wouldn't develop for the consoles then if they can't afford it. They would then do the PC route over the Wii U. Large profits could be gained on the PC market than for one console because they do not have the money for more than one console
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Rubberlegs  +   1153d ago
Next-gen games won't have some huge increase in cost, they will be just as expensive are they now. You can already get next-gen versions of games like Far Cry 3 on the PC. Devs have no problem putting in the extra bells and whistles for the PC version and that keeps their engines up to date for next-gen consoles.
MegaLagann  +   1154d ago
So Nintendo should release a new console in 2014, screwing over everyone who bought a Wii U up until that point, essentially pulling a Sega Saturn and Dreamcast. And look how well that worked for Sega.

All this doom and gloom for the Wii U and Vita is getting really fucking old. Look at the 3DS when it came out, everyone thought it was dead and that Nintendo should just drop it to make iPhone games. And now look, the 3DS has a whole slew of games coming out and is selling like hot cakes in Japan and relatively well in North American and Europe. Hell, look at the PS3. No console in history had as much shit thrown at it like the PS3 did in the early years. And now look, PS3 probably has the best library of any of the 7th gen consoles. So people saying how both the Wii U and the Vita are failures and they should just be discontinued should remember the PS3 and 3DS and kindly shut the up.

Also, I love how we're comparing the Wii U to consoles we haven't even seen yet. For one thing, we haven't even see the Wii U's potential, and second, we are literally comparing something to nothing! You have no idea how powerful the new consoles will be yet we're already comparing them to existing consoles!?!? I mean yes the PS4/720 will be more powerful than the Wii U, that's a given, but not by much. Developers like Crytek are already saying how the next gen consoles won't be that big of a leap but it seems like people don't want to hear that. Seriously people, if you truly care about visuals and performance, then get a PC.
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chadboban  +   1154d ago
You are one of the few sane people on this site. Thanks for always keeping a level head and for being a true gamer. We should play games, not companies. Converse with each other about games that we love, not constantly attack each other over trivial nonsense.

Wish there were more gamers like you, then this place wouldn't be as the cesspool of hatred and fanboy wars that it is that it is day in and day out.
chillhomie  +   1153d ago
Agree whole-heartedly. One of the Wii U's main selling points to me personally was miiverse, and at first I wasn't sure about it but after doing some research, I found out its basically one big gamer family that is all about the games and sharing thoughts, opinions, and drawings and best of all, its free and positive!

I was almost to the point of giving up on gaming sites and not conversing about videogames via the net because there are so many immature and negative people that ruin the experience and this site is absolutely FULL of them. I don't think a console is something to pledge aligence to, its plastic!!! Haha but people take it too far on here, NEOGAF, gamespot and ESPECIALLY YouTube. Thankfully Miiverse offers a fun creative alternative to make online interaction with other gamers enjoyable again for me
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Dark-vash  +   1153d ago
There are a few people like him, they just don't bother comment on something so ridiculous as this! But most of of the people here tend to play the Fanboy role and keep bashing the competition... it's been like this for years!
Triggytrolls  +   1154d ago
I've been there from the start of the 360/ps3 launch and I'm getting a Wii u and the steam console (if it's any good) if it is, I'm done with MS/Sony.
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Oops double post.
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