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OneAboveAll   493d ago | Bad language | show | Replies(12)
Jinkies  +   493d ago
Video Games are nothing but something to point and blame when something like happens in the world...it takes the heat of the gunlaws so they don't have to explain why they havent changed them yet or why nothing was done sooner to prevent the event that happened.

It's basicaly just something to blame so no one else gets the finger pointed at them.
Welshy  +   493d ago
Judging by the title and random site that posted it, i'm going to make a not-so-wild guess that this is just a troll attention seeking article where the content and title are complete opposites.

We KNOW that video games are not directly to blame for any crime, not just shootings.

The only people who believe that are the media and paranoid moms who are going to sell their kids PS3's out of terror.

Maybe these shootings are to blame on the media? After all they do plaster these killers faces and there sick atrocities worldwide for all to see, perhaps just maybe, there are other people of weak mental state who think "Oh FOX thinks THAT is bad? Just wait til i shoot up a hospital ward!".

The media does more harm than good and video games shouldn't even be part of the equation, it's just silly.
TripC50  +   492d ago
Yes video games cause violence. Especially now with the most popular genera in gaming being shooters. Just look at the past. Were there mass shortings and violence when the only games being played were arcade games? nah. Video games now have an affect.
Tvensky  +   492d ago
Video games can only effect stupid people... you need to be insane if you link video games with reality... even if you like simulators or shooters, and play them like you would do in real world.. still only retard could think that he can manage everything what he saw in video game.. I can say that news on TV and Movies can really mess your mind since they show real fotage or very good quality fake horror :) since movies look so realistic...
Enemy  +   493d ago
Why did the mother have so many assault weapons readily available? With her being dead now, how will we ever know that she didn't have some metal illnesses of her own, which then transferred on to her 20 y/o anti-social son?

You have to question why a substitute teacher even had so many weapons to begin with, with the area they lived in being so nice and all.
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LOGICWINS  +   493d ago
Because apparently she was a gun enthusiast. It's a hobby. Being a fan of firearms doesn't indicate that you live in a "bad" area or have a mental illness.

Teaching kids how to shoot back in the day was the equivalent of a parent teaching their kid how to ride a bike in 2012.
Welshy  +   493d ago
How dare you examine legit possabilities and use common sense!

IT WAS TEH VIDYA GAMEZZZ!!!111!!!111

Sensationalist, knee jerk journalism scape goating stuff that suits them as usual.

Edit @LOGIC I see you jumped the potential weak mental health either the gunman or his mother may have had and jump straight to the gun bit.

While i'm here i may post a blog about how forks make me fat and alcohol made me an alcoholic... because mental state and free choice doesn't govern people anymore right?
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LOGICWINS  +   493d ago
I never denied the possibility that weak mental health was at play here. It CLEARLY played a factor with the shooter. You don't kill dozens of people, mostly 5-10 year olds, if your thinking rationally.

I'm just stating that the fact that the mother owned several guns ALONE doesn't indicate anything negative.

Liking guns doesn't automatically mean there is something wrong with you mentally.
Enemy  +   493d ago
@ LOGIC: Interesting. Would you raise anti-social children around assault weaponry and honestly not blame yourself when the day comes that they walk into a school and slaughter innocent children?

It's bad parenting when you don't know that your own son is mad at the world and you do nothing to make him feel better. Instead, you let your obsession with guns rub off on him and expect him to be alright. Like my gun collection, depressed child? Here you go, feel better.

If a mother has no good reason to keep weapons around the house like they're toys or furniture, then she shouldn't. It's quite simple. Who's more at fault here is the problem.
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Reverent  +   493d ago
@Enemy, I don't think that's what LOGIC means. In this instance, I think the mother is at blame for it. However, that one example shouldn't dictate how that subject is spread globally. For example, I consider MYSELF a gun enthusiast. I grew up around guns, and my father and grandfather constantly took me out shooting, buying me guns, etc. I've lived my entire life around guns, yet I have never felt any sort of urge to take the life of another human being.
Enemy  +   492d ago
@ Reverent: There's a difference. From everything that I've been reading and hearing, no one ever saw the kid. He was always alone, completely disconnected from the outside world, including his family. I don't want to generalize here but I can't see how that could ever be a good thing, especially if you're also living with a mother that seemingly doesn't care about you either. She took him out of school and it's possible that he was bullied and had no real friends. You don't leave someone like that by themselves. All they want is attention, and even if they aren't asking for it, you don't just give up on them by leaving them around your assault weapons.

Sounds like the kid had a rough life, and some people handle it better than others. I'll agree with you on blaming the mother.
irepbtown  +   492d ago
Anders Breivik killed close to 80 people. He was ''rationally'' thinking, he knew exactly what he was doing, he had no mental illness.

Now this is slightly different, these were kids, however some people have no hearts. We cannot rule out the possibility that he was perfectly sane. I personally think there's more to the story than what the media are saying (just youtube some of the initial reports by the media and Police radios).
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CobraUnit  +   493d ago
So we can blame everything else but not video games? what kind of childish logic is that? We have absolutely no idea what kind of effects video games are having on children, teens or adults so to rule out video games is just absurd.

Just because you have a passion for video games doesn't mean it's not harmful.

Our brains are literally like sponges, it is effected by everything you see, hear, feel, taste and touch and what it dose with all that information and the changes it makes to a persons behavior is mostly unknown but there is also a lot we do know.

You can't just rule it out just because you feel offended.
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Patrick  +   493d ago
Really? your gonna try and blame games? Oh please, we had murder before we had games. Games are not real, there is no do over in real life, I don't walk around seeing my health bar in the top of my vision and I have been playing games since Atari. There always has been and there always will be violence against the innocent. That is why people must be able to and be ready to protect themselves and others. Those that don't believe in owning guns will look to us that do, when something bad happens...and don't worry, most of us, have the decency, honesty and integrity to protect you as well.
Jinkies  +   493d ago
Mate if you think like that why are you even here

Hell why are you even a gamer....
AzaziL  +   492d ago
I never had a problem pointing my finger at the shooter to blame, I don't need excuses for that behavior. He was a lunatic, plain and simple, no need to beat around the bush.
chadboban  +   493d ago
I wonder how many people are going to read the article and not just the headline.
Nitrowolf2  +   493d ago
I'm not gonna even bother because I know this is one of those story where their opinion is completely opposite of the title.

Of course gaming isn't to blame tough.
LOGICWINS  +   493d ago
I figured it was a satirical article when I read the title.

"Why videogames, NOT the gunmen.." pretty much gave it away.
bronxsta  +   493d ago
Anyone read it?
What a stupid title, the article is actually against using games and other media as scapegoats
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morganfell  +   493d ago
Then the guy ought to be slapped for using that title. I don't want to hear any such nonsense about "counterpoint to invoke a realization..." The title was hitmongering and as far as I am concerned such titles define the article. And since that is the case I will treat it accordingly... as another idiotic article seeking to absolve people of responsibility. I do not care what the article says in the body. The site made it's choice they can live with the consequences.

This situation is already a mess because people won't face the problem head on and admit the cause. Not in this touchy feeley world where no one got the hug they needed and are therefore free to act like a maniac without blame.

Aren't rich? Not your fault.

Failed school? Not your fault.

Lack of initiative preventing success in life? Not your fault.

Suck at video games? Not your fault.

Ran a red light and T-boned an innocent driver? Not your fault.

Have no friends because you are a creep? Not your fault.

Killed 26 people in a rage? Not your fault.
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SilentNegotiator  +   493d ago
We've become a society that ALWAYS places the blame elsewhere.
liquidhalos  +   492d ago
How long have you been working in the mental health profession? Your deep understanding of the mind and its chemical imbalances have moved me. But you left one point out

Writing a stupid reply with a bunch of weird random pointless examples to buffer the relevant ones while finishing them all off with Not your fault. Completely abandoning all intelligent facts and arguments. Not your fault.
Nes_Daze  +   493d ago
I heard the media was to blame, then I heard not having "God in our lives" was to blame, then I heard some other random BS. Only thing I can say is that we're all scrambling to find who/what to blame, when we're missing the big picture. I'm tired of people telling me I can't have somebody in my prayers or say something in their memory because I'm not blaming someone/ or something. BTW, I liked the article.
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Drazz  +   493d ago
Mental Illness, and a parent who wasn't prepared are to blame.
BanBrother  +   493d ago
Exactly. Mental Illness. Anyone who believes otherwise ask yourself this; What kind of sane, happy person goes on a shooting spree and kills innocent children, many who were 6 and 7 years old??

The shooter is obviously at fault, not denying that, but the bigger issue is that there are people out there that need help with mental illness, but aren't getting it. I think it teachers need better training, so they are able to pick out these signs at school, where a lot of it originates from.

I feel very sad for the victims and their families. And my anger towards the shooter aside, I feel sad for him. To feel so bad that you would do something like that is truly saddening.
liquidhalos  +   492d ago
This is exactly what i put in thread yesterday. A former teacher of his has said that he displayed signs of mental illness and depression while he was a student.

I think a very important question needs to be asked by victims families and concerned citizens alike. Why if mental illness was identified years ago was nothing done about it? Is there no children in need and children at risk register in the states?

Many people are saying where was the mother? Why didnt she do anything about him? Simple fact is some parents cant cope, arent prepared or are utterly selfish and just plain shit parents. Thats when its societies job to step in, but without a robust mental health system in place that just cannot be done. Emphasis and resources should be taken away from all scapegoat activities and purely focused on helping people with problems before they snap and do something like this. Debating games and poor parenting wont fix the problem only decisive well funded action will. The mental health system is in desperate need of reform
BlaqMagiq24  +   493d ago
Bad parenting and utter stupidity are to blame
WitWolfy  +   493d ago
Thats like saying internet porn is the cause of teenage pregancy
BanBrother  +   493d ago
No it's like saying cute pictures of puppies are for teenage pregnancy....or ice-cream.

EDIT: Is that Ice-cream guy gonna show up now? (WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN!!??)
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Starbucks_Fan  +   493d ago
God bless those kids and adults who were killed that day
playnextgames  +   493d ago
The U.S. government does not want video games or guns to talking point of violence. Hence, the America's Army video game. Instead mainstream media is focusing on news laws and medication which keeps the taxpayers tranquil.
Dlacy13g  +   493d ago
The title is an unexcusable spin to get site hits. As for the article itself the author makes a few decent points but fails horribly on his point #1. He claims we need to stop trying to figure out why these things happen and get tougher on the consequences of such acts. That all sounds fine but the reality is 99% of the time these shooters take their own lives so his "get tougher" thought does nothing to help the situation. If we can figure out what the triggers are, learn how to better see the warning signs then maybe we can avoid more of these horrifying incidents. We absolutely need to be focused on prevention of future incidents rather thinking stiffer penalties will help curb the problem.
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crinale  +   493d ago
Just stop putting flame-bait title and say "come on read the article before you comment, please".
I wonder how much do contributors get paid for this...
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iNFAMOUZ1  +   493d ago
as stated before above, bad parenting and mental illness are to blame, my son will have full attention as to not grow up that way, the kid was probably feeling without anybody around him, sad that it all turned out like this.
Bk7894  +   493d ago
I agree with piers Morgan, "I'm not 'blaming' violent video games. But to pretend they can't contribute to, or stimulate, an insane person's bloodlust is ridiculous".
crackforgangstas  +   493d ago
How the fuck did this even get through approvals? Seriously? This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on this website. This guy was sick in the fucking head and now 20 children are dead. Video games had nothing to do with this you fucking heartless prick. Wrong time, wrong place friend.
Erudito87  +   493d ago
japan has lots of gamers and guns are illegal yet gun related murders seldom reach anywhere near 30 a year and in america where most people can relatively easily get guns its well over a thousand. Anyone see a correlation between gun laws???!!!
Oschino1907  +   493d ago
I def see someone who lacks clear logical thinking and jumps on a conclusion without even fully understanding what he is saying...

Guessing you just take things at face value and never delve deeper into the actual causes/effects of things.

Oh and btw your numbers are way way off and have absolutely no perspective placed behind them. It's as if you just made up some numbers that sounded right in your head and just threw them out there with no additional info to back up your point.
Erudito87  +   493d ago
http://www. washingtonpost. com/blogs /worldviews/wp/2012/12/14/the- japan-lesson-can-americans-lear n-from-the-country-that-has-alm ost-zero-gun-deaths/
Oschino1907  +   493d ago
Wow I must question if you even read the article?

Your numbers don't even match what the article stated, you can't even reference the article info without just half guessing the info. And no where are video games even mentioned.

Regardless the article was written as a question w/some informational backing to help open up some perspective and discussion surrounding the topic.

Not any single place does the author state anything that would lead to the conclusion you came up with in your comment. They simply ended it by saying (in paraphrase)
"the usa and japan are at extreme opposites in terms of laws, and can we learn anything from them while retaining our american way and is culture more the reason for these differences in laws imposed or not imposed on people while questioning if it really is for the better or not"

He doesn't come to any conclusion but simply just wrote an interesting and relevant article opening up some insight into how different things are depeneding where you are from. It's more an article to open up and expand thinking on the topic and not to provide any sort of concrete facts regarding stricter gun laws directly being related to equaling a better society.
mastershredder  +   493d ago
Bait. Clicky. Wants hits. No real meat. Not anything gamers need to focus on anyway.
This whole ordeal has nothing to do with video games. The air the guy breathed had more relevance to his life shattering episode. So let's blame the air for going into his lungs allowing him to breath.

The anti-gameing victorian-age thinking obsessive ignorant nuts will stop at nothing until games are nothing more than supper fluffy kid-like everyone wins type games where you do chores, volunteer at the old folks home and worship your deity.
xyxzor  +   493d ago
This article is so absurd it should be reported.
Genuine-User  +   493d ago
Misleading title.
League_of_Draven  +   493d ago
I agree that video games are to blame
And this game is the main culprit.

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Cam977  +   493d ago
Just think of all of the trees with an abundance of presents but no child due to this hellbound scumbag. It's awful. I hope this disgusting excuse for a person rots in hell and no, video games were not the culprit. Did they tell him to commit the inhumane slaying? No. He made the decision himself, his psychopathic mind somehow saw good in it.
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UnholyLight  +   493d ago
The fact that anyone can make the claim that video games are EVER to blame is bullshit. Seriously get a life, you're just ruining a great entertainment medium with your bullshit
RETLAWx10  +   493d ago
I'm 35. And love video games specially Nintendo games.
I also have ps360. I stop playing "COD" because all the hate on xboxlive towards blacks,hispanics,homosexuals. I could not play a single match without someone insulting me or my friends.
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MultiConsoleGamer  +   493d ago
There is an intense culture of hatred that surrounds our hobby, but I still don't agree with this ridiculous premise.
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Tzunoy  +   493d ago
Bobby Kotick you weasel.
googergieger  +   493d ago
Even if the article is trying to pull "a modest proposal" on us, it is still very much in poor taste. As a rule of thumb I avoid these types of conversations on the internet because one isn't obliged to do what should be done with topics such as these and use tact. Because they aren't obliged, they go about sharing their opinions in quite the rude and inappropriate way. No filter. No logic. No empathy. Personally I see both sides of the arguments where guns are concerned and do agree something should be done, but really time and place. Which clearly isn't the site N4G, where apparently cursing and "insulting" others is not only frowned upon but a banable offense, but using a mortifying tragedy for site hits(no matter if done to "defend" video games") is beyond insulting and personally I can't believe it was approved. In any case, I hope no one clicks on the site. I didn't. But tis a free country after all...
sonicsidewinder  +   493d ago
"For those who are upset with with the title of this story, the hosting site has changed the article title to better reflect the contents."

Is this supposed to make me click the link to read the title, then everything will be all right?

This fish won't bite.

Will not read.
Guitardr85  +   493d ago
No it was changed because everyone was ticked off at the title which is misleading in hindsight. Quit thinking changes are made just to 'one up' you. This was an honest mistake that was corrected.
whatRU  +   493d ago
You truly believe it was an "honest" mistake that they titled their article on such a sensitive subject with such a rage-baiting and controversial title? I'm not saying you're wrong...... but you're definitely wrong.
gcolley  +   492d ago
poor judgement that was corrected. is it really a big deal?
CYBERHATER  +   493d ago
So throughout history I guess the game came before the gun. And psychotic people only started killing kids yesterday! Stupid article and stupid idiot that posted it. I'm gonna use up my last bubble on this piece of @#$&!!
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Guitardr85  +   493d ago
Did you even read the article?
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