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OneAboveAll  +   604d ago
That would be pretty great in my opinion! They can still make PC games too. (although for GFWL which doesn't bother me like most cry babies)

Epic also had a lot of design input when it came to the Xbox 360. They told Microsoft they needed more ram than it was originally going to have and they got their wish.

Hope to see a new Unreal game on the next Xbox.
maximaz  +   604d ago
"Epic also had a lot of design input when it came to the Xbox 360."

Hmmm? I wasn't aware of that. Maybe this time they do too?
QuantumWake  +   604d ago
I believe it was Epic who convinced Microsoft to put in 512MB of RAM instead of 256MB. They told MS that Gears 1 would not be able to look/run good with just 256MB of memory.
slapedurmomsace  +   604d ago
They didn't have a lot of input, but hey convinced MS to bump the ram from 256 to 512. Can you imagine how gimped these games would be with 256 to work with?
humbleopinion  +   604d ago | Intelligent
They didn't just tell them, they actually showed them.

Anyway, this article is pretty pointless and conspirative: when a company buys another company, the first thing they sign is that key talent must stay on board for a certain period of time. Otherwise they are simply risking buying an empty shell of a company since everyone can leave at once. Key people leaving Epic now is actually an indication this is not going to happen.

Not to mention: Epic's bread and butter is the Unreal Engine itself being licensed to almost every major studio and even indie devs. What would become of this source of revenue once MS acquires them? This engine is the top engine in the industry because it scales from consoles to iphones, and once it becomes exclusive to a certain platform most studios will drop it. This simply doesn't make any sense.

Not to mentioned the hilarious biased point of view of the writer:
"Barely a month ago, another big name left the company in Cliff Bleszinski. As hugely annoying as that dude could be, he created some decent waves in the industry, on occasion..."
Just LMAO at "Decent waves of games, on occasions". Way to understate the contribution of someone who's responsible for award winning series from Jazz Jackrabbit, through Unreal Tournament to Gears of War. What's next? Claiming that "Shigeru Miyamoto made a a few games that don't suck here and there" perhaps?
Zhipp  +   604d ago
@humbleopinion
What?! Cliffy B. was behind Jazz Jackrabbit? I friggin' loved that game! Used to play it with my siblings all the time...good times.

Anyway, M$ buying Epic wouldn't necessarily mean they'd have to stop licensing out Unreal--not if they're smart, anyway.
nukeitall  +   603d ago
@humbleopinion
I think your comment is pretty spot on, albeit I think MS buying Epic and licensing Unreal to competing platform would be just fine (for MS) as they can now better shift preferences to their console.

MS has shown that they are willing to invest in competing platforms.
nukeitall  +   603d ago
@humbleopinion
I think your comment is pretty spot on, albeit I think MS buying Epic and licensing Unreal to competing platform would be just fine (for MS) as they can now better shift preferences to their console.

MS has shown that they are willing to invest in competing platforms in the past.
pixelsword  +   603d ago
If everyone's bailing out, that's like someone buying a bag of peanuts, but only getting the shells.

They're just buying the name, not the people who made the games great.
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ShinMaster  +   603d ago
Smells like another Rare fiasco.
Cliff, Mike Capps and other employees at Epic are starting to resign, just like Rare employees did by the time Microsoft bought them.

Gears Of War Kinect confirmed(?)
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showtimefolks  +   604d ago
i really hope NOT. Sony,MS and Nintendo should look to buyer the smaller studios and leave these billion dollar companies alone.

i rather have them spend $100 million on xblive and just hire bunch of smaller devs to work on xblive games.

Dlacy13g

get your facts straight MS killed Rare. and Until 343 studios work on something new you can never say MS proved anything. one thing i do give MS about 343 studios is how many top talent developers they hired for 343 studios.

i wish Nintendo would just buy Rare back
KMCROC  +   604d ago
Get your fact straight rare was shit before MS bought them.
showtimefolks  +   604d ago
KMCROC

lol

Donkey Kong Country, Killer Instinct, GoldenEye 007, Banjo-Kazooie, Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day.

In 2002, the company was wholly purchased by Microsoft and has since focused on developing games exclusively for Microsoft video game consoles. Rare since then has developed Kameo: Elements of Power, the Viva Piñata series, and the Kinect Sports series

see the difference? they use to make games than MS bought em and all the talent left and what was left work on crappy games and than even they left

there is a reason both sony and nintendo has so many studios yet being bought by MS is like a death sentence
Kalowest  +   604d ago
"Kameo: Elements of Power and the Viva Piñata series" Are awesome, so was the last Banjo game.
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cee773  +   604d ago
@bitbydeath

"Why would MS pay $375 million for a dead company?"

To make your precious avatars and kinect games.

MCSFT:)mwahahaahaha

if they buy epic it will be just
gears,halo,gears,halo. over and cover.
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JoelJD14  +   604d ago
@cee773

IP's and copyrights. doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
Syntax-Error  +   604d ago
RARE was declining when MS bought them
Why do you think they were able to be bought so cheap. They were in the toilet. What was Rare's last hit? When MS bought them they churned out Perfect Dark Zero which was trash and it's been downhill since then. Donkey Kong Country and Golden Eye was the old Rare. MS didn't buy Rare when they were on top. They bought them when they were struggling. Looking at their body of work when the N64 was relevant shows how short minded you are. What did they do during the PS2/Xbox generation? Of course MS is going to buy the company for the license of the Unreal Engine. Do you really think it's just for the game development? They are looking at the bigger picture. Games can flop and could turn out to be a loss, but that same crappy game is running on an engine. That's where the money is. Why open a restaurant or bar when 75% of them fail when you can sell the equipment they need to operate.

cee773-You are a shallow thinker and would never make it in business. Thinking they would buy a company for Gears is retarded. They already have that locked down, so why buy the company? IPs, Copyrights, and Trademarks are worth more you idiot. They would own the #1 game development engine in the world. The engine alone could sell for 15 million to a developer....DUH, small eyes
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nukeitall  +   603d ago
@Syntax-Error:

You are spot on!

If MS really wanted Gears alone, they could easily just lock it down with a contract like they already have with Gears 1-3 and now Judgement.

A game can flop, making the IP pretty worthless (not literally). Now buying expertise and technology is a whole other set of questions, but then again I don't see why a company like MS would have any problems creating a game engine that rivals Unreal.

They already created a fantastic engine for Halo 4 with 343 Industries.
Jek_Porkins  +   603d ago
Please do research before you post the same regurgitated statements that ignorant fanboys post.

Rare was basically a shovelware developer for the NES in the 1980's, they put out over 50 games, mostly licensed properties like Sesame Street and Nightmare On Elm Street. They had mass turnover because of working conditions.

Eventually they made some quality games, but the team that built GoldenEye on the N64 was actually a brand new side division of Rare whose members had never made a game before. The core of Rare at that time was working on other projects.

There were mass quitting again shortly after Banjo Kazooie was released. Rare has made some great games, but they have gone through a ton of turnovers and have had their fair share of troubles and flops. I've enjoyed a lot of what they've done, but don't list a game like Conker, which was released on N64 and flopped, Microsoft gave that IP a chance and it flopped again, selling less than 50k.

Killer Instinct was good, but the second one flopped as well. Not every game that is well made sells well.

On the topic of Epic, I could see Microsoft buying them, for one thing it would be a constant source of income because of the licensing rights to the Unreal Engine.

As for 343i, they are specifically a Halo developer, that is Microsot's killer app and 343i was built to work on those games. They aren't going to be making anything else. Its the Reclaimer Trilogy that they are working on for the foreseeable future.
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fr0sty  +   604d ago
they pretty much already have.
torchic  +   604d ago
yup, that's pretty true.

as a non Xbox owner it would make no difference to my life whatsoever.
Kratoscar2008  +   603d ago
Yeah nothing new there, if MS end buying them no one would notice the difference.
scofios  +   604d ago
If Microsoft is buying Epic Games , i don't think Cliffy b would have left epic then ,he is the biggest MS fanboy .
BertlSenix  +   603d ago
Cliffy B always said he wants Gears on other platforms but as long as M$ is good to them(MONEY!!!) they won't do that but other projects could be realized on other platforms.

This is why Cliffy B probably wanted to leave and go Multiplat.
He maybe wants to try his skills on an other crowd of gamers and we all know this is only possible with the Sony Community cause they don't only play Shooters.
onyoursistersback  +   604d ago
i dont think it will happen....
on topic....i have not seen any news on the new gears of war game....im thinking its getting can.
Boysangur  +   604d ago
They said there would be gameplay footage debuting this friday on VGA's.
DOMination-  +   604d ago
Won't happen. Epic would cost a LOT and MS already have 20 first party studios now. I doubt they need any more mega studios
bicfitness  +   603d ago
Agree with the first part, disagree with the second. MS do not have 20 1st party studios. In order of # of studios for the three manufacturers: Sony > Nintendo > MS
DOMination-  +   603d ago
Microsoft Game Studios have 19
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Sony Computer Entertainment have 13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Nintendo have at least 13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
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Leviathan  +   603d ago
@ Domination:I looked at that Wikipedia list.First, lets count studios that actually make games. Microsoft has 343, turn ten , twisted pixel, Xbox live productions, lionhead and rare. That is 7 studios. All those others listed only make kinekt games. Some of these studios listed here only make 1 game and some of these studios only make downloadable games. If we ignore those Microsoft is left with ... nothing. But we all know Microsoft doesn't need
to sell GAMES to succeed. It has a different business model. XBOX Live.
NeverEnding1989  +   603d ago
@ Leviathan

Maybe you should look at the list again. 3 of the 20 studios appear to be exclusively making Kinect games.

Meanwhile 12 of those studios are working on Untitled Projects. At least 12 games of tap, mostly likely non-Kinect games, exclusively for the Xbox 360.

Gotta say, it's a good time to be a 360 gamer:) thanks for providing the links Dom
DOMination-  +   603d ago
@Leviathan

You can't be so picky. I was questioned on how many studios MS has and I provided the evidence. Yes, some have made kinect games but who cares? They are still first party and still count.

By your logic does that mean we don't count SCE London for Sony? Because all they've done it make Singstar and Buzz games or crappy move only games? Do we not include Team Ico because they haven't even made a game this gen? Of course not, that would be ridiculous.

Sony have some incredible first party studios but they have ditched a few recently.. and MS are certainly trying to fix one of the biggest and fairest criticisms aimed at them over recent years. They have a LOT of games in development, exclusively for their next console. Now lets see if they will make good games :)
Gamer1982  +   603d ago
Please NO! MS have destroyed every games company they have bought in the past bar bungie who only managed to not fall apart thanks to not being 100% MS owned. Look at what happened to RARE for example once a huge name in the gaming world and now a 2nd rate developer that nobody looks forward to their next release. EPIC needs to stay independent for that reason. Ms should take a leaf from Sonys book on how to handle studios when taken over.
liquidhalos  +   603d ago
What type of stuff was rare putting out when MS bought them? It was my understanding that rare was starting to struggle which is why they sold up. Rare started to slip further into decline in in terms of quality well before the buyout, i dont understand how some people can ignore such basic facts solely for the purpose of doing the old "MS is teh evilness studio killers" routine. Its getting old now. Not to mention that this whole thread is based purely on speculation so what we end up with is people bringing in half truths based on opinions about rare into an argument that is based purely on speculation and circumstance. Its crazy. What ever happened to waiting for the truth before we comment on it?
bicfitness  +   603d ago
It won't happen. This is ridiculous speculation based on a shift in management and staff.

Epic makes the bulk of their money off Engine licences and they make A LOT. They wouldn't kill or jeopardize that cash cow by locking down their customer base, which MS would seek to do almost immediately.

Not going to happen.
MuhammadJA  +   603d ago
As a PC gamer, not a big loss. I could live without an Unrel Tournament, Gears or a new Bulletstorm. Even if these franchises will come to PC, they'll support that mess of a client called GfWL which only benefit 360 gamers.
Stewie2k8  +   603d ago
How does that make them cry babies because you are more tolerable of a piece of crap like GFWL -_-
Walker  +   603d ago
I don`t think so !
Thy bought Rare games to remember?

And they have a bright future..

past: "Rare Wanted To Make Killer Instinct 3 But Microsoft Canned It"
http://www.cinemablend.com/...

present: "Rare sticking with Kinect for its new project"
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

future: "Rare hiring new developers for Kinect 2 and Xbox 720 games"
http://www.digitaltrends.co...

3 exclusive core games and 61 exclusive kinect games.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Why do people like MS again?

Remember these days?
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
vs today
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

They only care to make casual dollars.

And now this?
"Microsoft Is Essentially Making A Casual Xbox"
http://www.uproxx.com/gamma...

If "Casual Xbox" takes off then good luck seeing xbox gamers are already screwed anyway since kinect 2 will be ready day 1 this time around with the new xbox.

I like these guys much better now..
http://www.xbitlabs.com/new...

Why not make casual games but keep your original customers first?
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Lvl_up_gamer  +   603d ago
"Why not make casual games but keep your original customers first?"

They are.

MS makes Fable, Halo and Forza with Gears as a 2nd party IP.

Halo, Forza and Fable are came over from last gen. These are MS's 1st party studios. Therefor they are giving the top selling core games to the core audience. Now that MS is ALSO giving casual games, everyone seems to think that suddenly MS only cares about casuals. It only makes practical sense that MS support their Kinect peripheral. MS have a MUCH larger library of 360 core games found on the 360 then they do casual games yet nobody wants to consider the ENTIRE 360 catalog. They would only rather focus on the current year.

It's just ignorant to think MS are only focusing on the casual market. Right now MS is preparing for their next gen console release which is why the only exclusive core game we know that is coming out next year is Gears of War Judgement. The 720 and the starting game launch for it will be released 4th quarter of 2013.

Bottom line, regardless of what many on this site like to imagine, MS are still pushing their top selling exclusive franchises. Forza Horizon just released and Halo 4. MS also gets timed exclusive DLC for the largest franchise on the market as well....the COD franchise.

The 360 is still just as much of a core system as it is a casual system. It's got something for everyone.
otherZinc  +   603d ago
With what M$ has done with 343! Gears with that backing would be amazing as hell with replay value to please all fans.

Of course some of the main writers, developers, & programmers must stay & build a team from there, same as with 343.

Also, work something with Cliff to pull him on board & M$ will have something.
rainslacker  +   603d ago
The bigger question would be, what would MS gain by buying out Epic? While they certainly do have some killer IP's under their belt, outside of Unreal, GOW, and maybe Infinity Blade, most of their games aren't as well known.

Epic's biggest asset is their Unreal Engine. Much of it's popularity is due to the fact that it's powerful and multi-platform. Unless MS would keep it multi-plat it's hard to see the engine staying a major contender in the market, especially since publishers are now making their own powerful multi-plat engines (Frostbite, Luminous, Fox, etc).

Buying out a company only to reduce it's worth doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. If many of the key players from Epic are leaving, then they'd just be buying the name, which unfortunately is nowhere near the value of the company as it is now. If MS is buying it to get exclusive rights to Unreal Engine, then why would they do that. They could produce their own engine for a fraction of the cost. Hate of Love MS, they have some of the best software engineers in their company, and for the most part they do understand pipeline development and usability.
CarlosX360  +   603d ago
People leaving Epic sounds like a buyout is likely than not. The signs are there.

M$ needs a vast portfolio of new brands, this is it. But that also means Unreal will no longer be multiplatform.

Microsoft has a keen habit of taking "not-known" names into cult icons. Just like Halo before MS bought it.

Oh, and that Unreal Engine? Most likely they want that so that M$ wouldn't have to spend an extra few billions into development of new SDK's. As they do with each Halo title released, or each Forza title released, etc. etc.
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rainslacker  +   603d ago
Your argument generally makes sense and I won't really dispute it.

However key players in the company are leaving, which is not usually the case before a big buyout occurs. They would stay on because of the big payout they would receive in the transaction. The only reason, if a buyout were true, that they might leave is that MS would have a clause that they'd have to stay on for a while. If true, then they may not approve of the direction that MS would want to take with the company, which is why they are now leaving.

Also, a few billion to develop an engine? That's a gross over-estimation of what it takes to create an engine. If that were the case you wouldn't see all these publishers making their own engines to use, and Epic would not be making money off their engine licenses. I can also assure you that Halo's development budget was not in the billions.

MS is very well equipped to make their own engine if they so desired. They've been making programming tools for longer than most of us have been alive. Not only do they have Visual Studio which could serve as a base, they also have XNA which in itself is a type of game engine. Adding a pipeline development layer for the developer (like you see in most game engines like UE or Unity), would not be that big a deal for them.

Honestly I see these key players leaving as a sign of something else. It's possible they want to do something different. It's not unthinkable that they may be looking at creating their own studio, or they have offers to go work with other big players in the market and they are just biding their time until their non-compete contracts run out.
xtremeimport  +   603d ago
This would be a big buy for MS since they basically have zero top notch first party Dev teams.

except, I'm pretty sure Epic has been pretty vocal about their dislike of the closed source system MS uses on the xbox. (see unreal tournaments map packs and mod system) So i'm not entirely sure that they'd go through with selling out completely.
CarlosX360  +   603d ago
It wouldn't surprise me a bit. Not even the least.

I expected Epic to be bought by M$ when that other buyout rumor started.

This is one of those cases of "a little too late, Microsoft!"
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konnerbllb  +   604d ago
God I hope not. They killed Rare, they will kill Epic too.
maximaz  +   604d ago
I kinda agree. They did completely destroy Rare.
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lelo2play  +   604d ago
Just like Sony completely destroyed Zipper Interactive (among others).

At least Rare is still alive (and i hope they make better games in the future), but Zipper Interactive is completely dead.
Gamer1982  +   603d ago
Sony destroyed Zipper how? They didn't do no such thing they still released plenty of games for PS3 unlike RARE. They just couldn't keep up with current gen. Zipper wasn't that great anyway. Finally Sony got sick of them losing money and pulled them. Sony did well to stick with them so long.
DonMingos  +   603d ago
@lelo2play yeah, sony really killed zipper. Look at all the games zipper made before they were part of sony (sarcasm)

And at least they "died" with the game that made them who they were (Socom) and not psMove only games and avatars. That was a noble quick "death" not the slow and humilliating that Rare has being trough
Xalaris  +   603d ago
@lelo2play

What does any of this have to do with Sony?
Are you in denial or paranoid or some shit? Too many people attacking MS so you assume they're Sony die-hards?
Dlacy13g  +   604d ago
MS didnt kill Rare. Rare was DOA when they got to MS. Most if the top talent had already left Rare. MS has shown they can build a top tier studio. .. 343i says hi. Regardless of this rumor something is definitely up at Epic.
-Mika-  +   604d ago
343 basically copied and pasted the work of bungie so that not really proof of anything.

Until they create a new IP that is rated very well. Then they can be called top tier but until then...
Boysangur  +   604d ago
Please don't pull **** out of your *** and state it as fact. Rare was doing great at the time of acquisition and most of the key figures didn't leave until after the acquisition, including the founders (Stamper brothers). Hollis himself stated that Microsoft was very ham fisted in its' management of Rare. First there was lack of management and then there was a mess that made a several key people leave.
BitbyDeath  +   604d ago
Why would MS pay $375 million for a dead company?
guitarded77  +   604d ago
343 took over one of the biggest series ever and made a brilliant game true to the franchise's roots... they didn't "copy and paste".

If MS did acquire EPIC (which I highly doubt will happen), as long as MS treats them like 343 and hands them a blank check and says "Make the best damn Gears (or whatever) game possible", then it would be a good merger for fans.
SilentNegotiator  +   604d ago
Look at Rare's first project on the 360, Kameo.

They were CLEARLY still a brilliant studio at the start of the generation. Then they were forced to shoehorn XBL into their games. Then Kinect. All downhill from there.
xtremeimport  +   603d ago
MS as shown they can build a top tier studio.
343 has made 1 game, and some of the people are from Bungie.

and they make Halo, which had a pretty solid formula of building off. Try a new IP, then you can say they build top tier studies...also more than 1 example.
fermcr  +   604d ago
"God I hope not. They killed Rare, they will kill Epic too."

No. Rare was already dead when Microsoft purchased them. BTW how many studios have Sony and Nintendo killed ? Zipper Interactive (Sony) comes to mind in recent months.
vega275  +   603d ago
try zipper,London, Liverpool,Evolution Studios,Bigbig Studios,LightBox Interactive,Eat Sleep Play,and Game Republic.
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torchic  +   603d ago
let's not lie now. Lightbox Interactive, Eat Sleep Play and Evolution Studios, are all alive and kicking. Sony gave Lightbox Interactive the green light to make a Warhawk sequel knowing very well it wouldn't sell much, but would add variety to the PS3.

Game Republic was never owned by Sony, they could have chose to reject Sony money and not make exclusive Sony titles.

the only studio that didn't deserve the cut was Studio Liverpool. that was a huge mistake by Sony. everyone else deserved the boot.
neoMAXMLC  +   603d ago
Evolution? Lightbox? Eat Sleep Play?

You might want to do some actual research, vega. Eat Sleep Play isn't even a first party studio. Neither is Lightbox.
BitbyDeath  +   603d ago
@torchic, Liverpool got merged with Evolution Studios.

Zipper was the only real loss, not that i'm into shooters but MAG was pretty decent.

And Evolution Studios are still alive and well. Hopefully we'll see a new Motorstorm from them as a PS4 launch title.
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AngelicIceDiamond  +   603d ago
With what making Kinect games? Last I heard a Kinect for Gears Of War was scrapped and was never gonna work.

If MS bought Epic they would put them hard at work. By creating new Ips for them, and expanding current franchises like Gears, BulletStorm, Unreal, and Shadow Complex 2. Think about it, MS could have a new Ip every year if they wanted, if they bought epic.
xtremeimport  +   603d ago
@lelo2play

who is this "among others" you've listed?
and yeah..Zipper tried some new things and it just didn't work. When you have other studios producing top quality games, why keep one that's a Ps2 success around?

they could've handled it a bit better from some of the reports I've read, but when it comes down to it, its a business about making money. Zipper wasn't making it happen.
blue_flowers  +   604d ago
it would be an industry shaking move, would that affect who could and couldn't have licensing of the unreal engine? i think it would be a strong decision for xbox and microsoft but may hurt gaming as a whole and i don't think epic would end up as rare. microsoft sort of kept rare alive but didn't use them well which ultimately ended the company, epic on the other hand has software, games, and established ip's that sell well acrooss all platforms, it'd be hard to take down a company like that, also microsoft had a great relationship with bungie which didn't end in its demise so i think epc and microsoft would do fine together.
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Boysangur  +   604d ago
Oh I don't know, man. Rare had quite a few massive games and established IP's. I think most forget just how revered and important the company once was. Plus, so many major figures leaving the company all of the sudden like a sinking ship? Something is up.
blue_flowers  +   604d ago
very true, it is odd that the big players left. and rare did have some great titles. personally id love for microsoft to just buy bioware, jade empire 2!
SilentNegotiator  +   604d ago
Industry shaking? Why, because they would go from making mostly Xbox exclusives and late-PC releases to making mostly Xbox exclusives and late-PC releases?

Oh man, the industry would be on its head!!!
/s

What are they going to do? Raise UDK prices? That'll just cause developers to use other, equally competent (or more so) engines.
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ALLWRONG  +   604d ago
MS owning the most widely used game engine would be kinda huge.
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SilentNegotiator  +   604d ago
But overhead won't change. Epic is estimating exploding costs, meanwhile the rise of accessibility would make any rising costs that they allow on themselves to be catastrophic.

It would take them MANY years to even profit, assuming mismanagement didn't allow supposed rising costs (AKA, costs to the BUYERS).
blue_flowers  +   604d ago
dont you just know it all...lol
rainslacker  +   603d ago
It depends on what they do with Epic as to whether it would be industry shaking. Buying them doesn't necessarily mean that they would become a MS powerhouse, and it could remain an independent company, meaning that the engine could still be distributed to developers of all systems. While it's hard to imagine them doing this, the fact remains that their Unreal Engine is a big money maker for the company. If that's the case then the only thing it would really change is that the games they make would likely become MS exclusive.

OTOH, if they decide to make Unreal an in-house engine(similar to Fox, Luminous, Frostbite), then it could definitely have some industry "shaking" repercussions. UE is one of the most accessible and widely used engines on the market to smaller developers and publishers. It's a move that may force some developers to produce only on XBox/GFWL, if they want to use it. If those developers still want to go multi-plat then they would have to look to another engine, which could increase development time if they aren't familiar with the tools. Of course this isn't to say that some other engine maker wouldn't step up to the plate. I could see Unity becoming a bigger player if this were the case.
SilentNegotiator  +   603d ago
Hey, THEY said that costs would double, not me.

And since that doesn't match up with how inflation will add up and developers have no reason to spend more, costs will NOT likely "double" for everyone.
Axonometri  +   604d ago
Scary days
SKUD  +   604d ago
Worst move in history. They make a killing in licensing unreal tech. If they were to sell off the whole farm. It would be in the multi-billions for MS.
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BitbyDeath  +   604d ago
MS need more first party devs and i think Epic would make for a great fit.
majiebeast  +   604d ago
Dont know but it seems something is making epic employees run for the hills this is like what 5-6th time of employees changing/leaving the company in a few months. It could be Nexon remember how they wanted to buy EA.
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Qrphe  +   604d ago
This article does little to support a possible acquisition by Microsoft.

@blue_flowers
"personally id love for microsoft to just buy bioware"

Buy it off from EA?
strigoi814  +   604d ago
I wont be surprised coz thats the only studio they can milk forever..oh and 343 lolz
sjaakiejj  +   604d ago
Epic has no reason to sell themselves to Microsoft - no, Microsoft is not buying Epic as Epic earns too much from being an independent developer.
doctorstrange  +   604d ago
The main reason that Epic is so big is that they create Unreal on every platform. To lock that to Xbox and Windows PC would be 'epicly' stupid.
aiBreeze  +   604d ago
Unless you are the ones who make both Windows and Xbox.. o wait! Seriously though, this move would hurt gaming overall but could be a very good business decision for Microsoft for next gen.
sjaakiejj  +   603d ago
No it wouldn't, because Epic's value is in engine development - not in creating games. The reason that Epic earns so much in Game Engines is their multiplatform nature - take that away, and they will lose a majority share in the middleware market.

This would greatly devalue Epic as a company, which is undesirable for both Epic and Microsoft.
rickybadman  +   604d ago
Buying Epic makes no sense. The price would be ridiculously because of the Engine business. But MS would have to gut the engine business when they gain control. Buying a company like Gearbox would make waaaaaay more sense.
maximaz  +   604d ago
Well, Activision did get Vivendi Games, including Blizzard and I honestly doubt that the engine business is bigger than WoW. Technically it was a merger but Activision is the parent company.
BitbyDeath  +   604d ago
'Buying a company like Gearbox would make waaaaaay more sense.'

Gearbox are a better developer but they have no ties with MS so i don't see where the sense part would be.
rickybadman  +   603d ago
Epic engine business is so profitable because it is a multiplatform engine. Would MS really be ok with for developing an engine for use on the WiiU and PS3/4.

I don't management will view it the same way they view Office on Macs. The engine business would be pocket change compared to what MS makes with it's Apple software. And back then MS was way and away ahead of Apple. Not the case in the console business.

Gearbox makes sense because they are the best independent developer without any strings attached. Valve got Steam, Crytek got Cry Engine and it's government contracts, Epic got Unreal.

And MS does have ties with Gearbox. A couple early members of 343 came from Gearbox. They did Halo PC.
rainslacker  +   603d ago
They wouldn't necessarily have to gut the Engine business just because they are buying the company. Epic could remain a subsidiary that caters to the entire gaming market. In some ways it could serve them well, for instance giving the engine away cheaply if the developer wants to stay exclusive to MS.

People assume that if this happens that MS would make UE exclusive. Given that a majority of the value of Epic is in their engine licensing, it would immediately devalue the company, and shareholders would not be happy.

On the other hand, if they keep UE multi-plat, it means they make something off every game that uses the engine regardless of which platform it's on. Which in itself isn't a bad business move.

On top of that, it means they gain access to some extremely lucrative IP's, namely Unreal and Gears of War, which could now become or remain exclusives to their system.
LOL_WUT  +   604d ago
Who cares...
Knight_Crawler  +   603d ago
The hundreds of people who have commented on this article -__-
CaitSith  +   603d ago
lol wut...
KMCROC  +   604d ago
This would be F............... Epic & great for MS cause of all that extra cash flow .
RememberThe357  +   604d ago
A horrible move if they do it. I doubt it will happen but weirder things have happened. MS seem to like buying companies they don't make a return on.

The engine business losses half it's worth once you cut off the other two platforms (I'm assuming that MS would use the engine for PC and 720) but even more so developers would look to an engine that was truly multiplatform and an other engine would take Unreals place, cutting it's market share even further. Even if MS allowed Unreal to be used on other platforms it's hard to imagine Sony and Nintendo allowing the engine on their platform.

It just doesn't seem like a smart move, Epic is just worth too much and wouldn't offer enough for MS to make a real return on investment.
taquito  +   604d ago
it wouldn't be anywhere near a 50% loss if the engine was ONLY on xbox720 and windows

last gen, ps3 unreal games didn't sell even a 1/4 of 360 and pc unreal games and wii doesn't use unreal engine to my knowledge, i could be wrong, don't really play wii games except a few on pc/dolphin
ALLWRONG  +   604d ago
The Unreal Engine is on Wii U
Zhipp  +   604d ago
I believe Metroid Prime 3 used a modified Unreal Engine 2.
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K1W1  +   604d ago
First of all I don't think MS are buying Epic.

But if they did why would they cut other platforms from licensing the unreal engine? I would have assumed that would be the main reason for buying the company in the first place.

Microsoft likes making money.
WitWolfy  +   604d ago
RIP Ensemble Studios...
mochachino  +   604d ago
Besides Gears Epic has nothing. Already there are so many engines that produce way better graphics than Unreal. At least according to the demos.
Zhipp  +   604d ago
Way better than the Samaritan Demo? Way better than Unreal 4?
madjedi  +   604d ago
Kinda a moot point for us, we won't be running off a $500-600 graphics card with the ps4/720. Or a sli setup.

We still need to wait to see the unreal 4 engine, on either next gen console.
BitbyDeath  +   604d ago
Unreal 4 looks similar to Bethesda's engine (hopefully without the bugs tho)
Hopefully Epic will produce an Unreal5 for nextgen.
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ghostrider32  +   604d ago
They don't need to buy Epic.
StreetsofRage  +   604d ago
Out of all the rumors of these big puchases...I would of liked to see bioware under microsoft.
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BitbyDeath  +   604d ago
MS had their chance to buy them but instead left them for EA to snatch up.
Silly gameAr  +   604d ago
Wonder if that's why everyone is leaving.
Trekster_Gamer  +   604d ago
I don't care who owns epic. I do think the games will truly be Epic on the next XBOX!
black911  +   604d ago
Maybe This is Why Cliffy B. left?

Smart Move!!!!
0pie  +   604d ago
stupid article...
not worth your time, dont lose your time clicking on the link.
The_KELRaTH  +   604d ago
With the lack of creativity coming from MS over the last few years I think it would be better if Epic bought MS and kicked a few butts!!

But seriously, this is just a fairy story for ad money.
AlienLion  +   603d ago
Huh? You see ads on the site? Let me know where so I can remove them. And ask them for my moniez.
Orbilator  +   603d ago
are we really gonna miss anything not having epic multiplat ?
Ok Gears is ok, but that was always gonna be m$ only as they pretty much sealed that ip in concrete to keep it on xbox.
So why would buying them be a benifit ?
The unreal engine has always been a system resource hog, but has excellent dev tools, and basically they told microsoft they couldn't get gears looking as good as it could with 256mb, funny how better developers get better looking games out of the engine.
There are better engines out there that look and run better like frostbite and Guerrilla's own engine to name a few. So if M$ are trying to buy the engine for exclusiveness It would be a very bad idea as most multiplatform devs would just use another engine rather than developing games on different platform engines.
kupomogli  +   603d ago
Doesn't matter if Microsoft buys Epic. They're practically exclusive to Microsoft anyways.
chuckyj1  +   603d ago
It would be a good move for M$, because then they would be getting the royalties for all those UNREAL licensed games out there. They would also be getting a top notch studio that would cater to core gamers.

But, I think you need much more information than the article gives to suggest a buyout. With Windows 8 not exactly catching fire and the MS Surface not exactly flying off the shelves MS is probably watching their Purse strings pretty close right now.
Ps3-PCgamer  +   603d ago
Epic to me has already been in Microsoft's back pocket for a while. Just like Activision
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sway_z  +   603d ago
Microsoft buying Epic games is a huge mistake....

Look at the evidence for yourself, MS buys a company and then runs it into the ground within a few years....I have never been convinced as to MS' dedication to gaming. MS seem to solely be in this industry for profit...I sense no love or attachment from them to gaming as a whole.

Quite simply (IMO) Microsoft just want to Win!

As a PS3 owner I'm not concerned over the possible exclusivity of Unreal Engine 4 to MS. Reason being is that there are far better engines than Unreal and Gears was never a major loss to me.

MS should continue to develop their own engine, as Sony 1st party developers do, and let the battle of the engines commence ;)
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