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Low End Steam Machine Beats The PS4 And Xbox In Specs, Features, Performance And Price

The CyperpowerPC Steam Machine beats the PS4 and Xbox One in specs and price, especially comparing what you're getting in the package for the same price as Microsoft's offering and for $100 more than Sony's offerings.

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Axios23531d ago ShowReplies(20)
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98xpresent3531d ago (Edited 3531d ago )

Consoles will always win in the exclusive category.

nX3530d ago

PS1, PS2 and PS3 all had many great exclusives that I would consider "must have". From Spyro & Crash to God Of War & Shadow of the Colossus to Uncharted, Demon's Souls and Journey these consoles were packed with countless high quality games. Steam is great but I wouldn't want to miss Sony's first party releases.

UltimateMaster3530d ago

PlayStation has always had a great amount of bad ass exclusives that never ceased to disappoint me in any given generation.

Performance-wise, it is the most powerful of all consoles.
Granted, when you spend 2000$~4000$ on a device, you'd expect to have more power than a 400$ one.

SilentNegotiator3530d ago (Edited 3530d ago )

"$500 PC beats Ps4/Xbone in hardware in some categories, features (once you buy yourself a copy of Windows), and loses to both consoles in price"

Fixed. BS article title.

Mr Pumblechook3530d ago (Edited 3530d ago )

Article update says "Please keep in mind games on consoles has nothing to do with this article."

However with a headline like "Low End Steam Machine Beats The PS4 And Xbox In Specs, Features, Performance And Price" it has obviously been written to invite 'lively debate' about PC vs consoles, cheeky!

rocketpanda3530d ago

@SilentNegotiator,

Steam machines run on SteamOS, which is free. So in terms of price it is still a cheap option. Although I want to see like for like comparisons in performance with multi platform games. Quoting specs always looks good on paper.

SilentNegotiator3530d ago

You'll be missing out on 99% of PC games without Windows, though.

XBLSkull3529d ago

PC will always have the power advantage, but the best game franchises are on consoles. That isn't to say PC doesn't have some great games you can't get anywhere else. I own all 3 myself PS4/X1/PC so I can play everything I want to. Anyone who limits themselves to one platform is doing it wrong, especially if that one is a PC - you simply don't have the option of playing the best franchises.

darx3529d ago

@XBLskull

Boy are you wrong!

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MrSwankSinatra3530d ago

Actually no they don't because it's subjective topic. Each person has their own preference.

mixolydian_id3530d ago

Exactly,
Looking at the games people started highlighting above.
People speak of Ps1 like is was the holy grail of games... IMO, it wasn't.

I always found Nintendo were the best back then.

Street fighter was amazing back in the day. Tekken was a total dive for years. Smash bros in a totally different way, still kicks it's arse. Thats just one genre.

Only games I ever looked towards the PS1 for were Final Fantasy and Metal gear solid, endorsed exclusives to be fair.

Its definitely down to preference, many will disagree with mine ^^^

With regards to the steam machine. Although these units are great and are working towards truly allowing developers space to create their games (Everyone else has to conform to limited specs etc).
They aren't going to offer the same services. For playing games im sure they're great, but they won't do much far from it for a while... how will they deal with cloud compute?

Nothing is replaceable so in a few years time... like a P_C... you'll find yourself looking for a new one.

As for services, you won't get famed, EA access or PSnow, 3D blu-ray, external support, skype, DLNA support, xbox controller, PSMove, Occulus, Morpheus, Marketplace, Trophys and achievements, gamertags... the list is ENDLESS.

Might as well just invest in a PC... if you have one already, get an upgrade (graphics card, ssd, Motherboard/CPU)

As you can tell, Im very much two-track minded on the steam box idea.

marloc_x3530d ago

What on earth could make a console experience unique again?

clmstr3530d ago

Being a PC-only gamer at the moment (getting a PS4 soon), I agree. Right now, consoles have a wider variety/choice of different games of different genres. That's why I'm getting a PS4, it has all the games I want to play that come out in the near future.

Eiffel3530d ago (Edited 3530d ago )

What are you talking about? Consoles are still missing entire genres compared to PC.

Stapleface3530d ago

I have a ps4, and when I look at the Library available of ps4, versus what's on pc, I'm actually looking at it right now. Your absolutely wrong. That's not even an opinion. It has far less variety/choice of different games. The ps4 library will never touch the size and amount of game types that Steam has. It just won't be around long enough. I can't argue the last part of your statement as it's your opinion. But to say there is a wider variety to choose from on ps4 is delusional. Ps4 hasn't broke 1,000 games(not even close). Steam has over 3,000. AAA, indie, some games I don't know where they sit, in any genre you can think of,a genre or two that you will barely find on console..

clmstr3530d ago

Where did I say PS4/Xbone have more games of different genres than PC? I clearly said "consoles". That means I include both PS3 and X360 in this list. Of course current gen consoles are not able to compete with PC in terms of games genres right now.

starchild3530d ago

That doesn't make any sense. Do I have to buy all the consoles to compete with the PC? If so, I guarantee you are going to spend a lot more buying all the consoles than any decent PC.

You only talked about getting a PS4 anyway. Now you're trying to act like all the consoles beat the PC together. That's not what you said originally.

IF you are getting PS4 to enjoy some of the exclusives I think that is a good idea. That's what I did. But it's for the exclusives, since 90% of the games coming out on PS4 are games that are also on PC.

mixolydian_id3530d ago

Sounds like you made your mind up ages ago...

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joab7773530d ago

It depends on what u want. With access to steam and mods for your favorite games.

Let's say u have a PS4 and now u can buy and cheap Steamboat to get access to PC gaming. Thats perfect scenario to me.

I could never understand how they were going to compete with and much less powerful machine for more $. Ppl who want to spend $800-$1000 will buy a PC.

fredrikpedersen3530d ago

I'm sorry... but "Steamboat"?

breakpad3530d ago

now with their steam let them go play Bloodborne

kingduqc3530d ago

There is over 22 000 games on pc. The biggest console library by far is the ps2 with shy of 3000 games. Ps4 and xbone don't even have in total 300 games each as of right now and most of them are on pc.

So yeah. "meh"

shysun3530d ago

22000 games on pc since last year?!? o_O

DualWielding3530d ago

But the steam machine only plays natively games made for Linux which are mostly indies

mixolydian_id3530d ago

They're clearly having more trouble pushing the consoles this time around.

Games are late and sparse in number.

Hence why there's so much deliberation.

The reason the last generation dragged on was because the consoles were actually totally sufficient just power deficient. The corporate business's ran out of new ideas ages ago... they're all looking to "new media" to push their devices. Ask yourself what features from this gen couldn't be implemented last gen?

Just how can you please an 80 million strong user base with some new that's sure to catch on?

What really annoys me is that they're all taking such a gamble on things like.

Dualshock touchpad (fecking wank)
Kinect 2.0 (Had to be released after to redeem the first)
Wii U touch screen (no more nunchuk wankery, just the pleasure of beating your friends who're completely distracted by the screen)
Project Morpheus/Occulus (VR is another gimmick smh)
Illumiroom (Won't work because of differentiating colour palettes within your own room)

Sigh.. it's not getting any better, Im becoming more and more disappointed with this generation of consoles.

UnwanteDreams3530d ago

All those 22000 games and less than 300 worth downloading. I bought into the PC bs last year and I'm still wondering what I was missing. Dont take me wrong PC has some cant miss games but nothing that worth spending more than the price of a PS4 to play. Just my opinion.

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Chrischi19883530d ago

Lol no, this is purely based on opinion. I for one know many, who wouldnt game if it wasnt for the RTS genre or most MMOs. To call a Starcraft, Warcraft, Dota, League of Legends, Command and Conquer, Diablo2 (D3 first, too), Counter Strike, Quake, Sim City, Age of Empires, World of Warcraft and Anno or all kinds of strategic games any less important for gaming is a pure joke. PC gaming defined the so called online gaming. It was there a decade before consoles. Not trying to bash consoles, I love them, but if I read such nonsense, I cannot hold back. Some of the greatest games are only on PC. This is purely subjective of course, but then also say so.

BG115793530d ago (Edited 3530d ago )

People are seeing this the wrong way and aren't asking the right question.
If PC is so doing so well, why is Valve creating systems that follow many of the consoles directives?
Anybody dares to answer this question.

UnwanteDreams3530d ago

If console gaming went away PC elitists would be screwed. You think PC gamers could support the gaming industry enough that it wouldnt crash? I dont.

Corpser3530d ago

Consoles? All of them combined together? It's not like one console can play the exclusives on other consoles

spoonard3530d ago

Not to mention every PS4 title that is released works on EVERY PS4. Will EVERY PC title released work on that Steam box for the next 7 years?

Another thing about the PS/Console comparison is the amount of power needed on a PC to achieve the same results on a console. The ratio is not even close to being even.

Seafort3530d ago

Does every PS1, PS2 and PS3 game work on the PS4? And will all PS5 games work on all the other Playstations? :)

All PC games work on the PC platform. The consoles can't even compare to the amount of games on PC as they don't have any backwards compatibility.

This is why you are getting milked with these remastered versions of 2+ year old games on new consoles.

tee_bag2423530d ago (Edited 3530d ago )

You all some games running at 30fps with dips working?

UnwanteDreams3530d ago (Edited 3530d ago )

Meanwhile they are still charging money for games like System Shock on steam. How old is that one?

DoctorJones3529d ago (Edited 3529d ago )

@UnwanteDreams

And Sony are selling ps1 games on their store, how old are they?.

What's your point?

Oh yeah I forgot, you don't have one.

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geddesmond3530d ago

Yeah true some of my favorite series are only found on consoles. I never really gamed on PCs for the fact that a high end PC takes up too much space, i suck at playing Keyboard and mouse and they can be real expensive and really easy to mess up if you have no knowledge about PCs like I do but if the steambox does what it promises they I might buy one for multiplat games.

frostypants3530d ago (Edited 3530d ago )

Stop trying to make the Steam Machine happen. It's dead, people. No one is going to buy this. We all know it. Seriously...who here will buy this? Don't lie, now. Yeah, that's what I thought...consolers will buy a console and PC gamers will buy a real PC. Nobody asked for this. Nobody wants it. It solves no problem and has no market.

jholden32493530d ago

I'm not arguing that I would buy it, but can we please stop using the 'nobody asked for it' excuse? Almost all my favorite games are games that I never asked for. Almost all my favorite consoles are consoles that I never asked for. It's not their job to wait tables and take orders of what we want. It's their job to create something new and enticing that they anticipate we will want. And maybe we will, maybe we won't. But if platform manufactures only made what people ask for can you imagine what kind of gaming environment we'd be in right now?

People only ever ask for the same old thing over and over again. Thank goodness they know better than to just make what people ask for.

frostypants3529d ago (Edited 3529d ago )

@jholden3249, fair enough. But that doesn't change my point that it solves no problem and has no market. Sometimes a product no one asked for succeeds because people didn't KNOW they wanted it. This is not such a product. The fact that I got 8 disagrees but no cogent counter-argument other than yours (which was good) kind of proves my theory that the only people hyping this are PC gamers who think it will bring a new audience to the PC gaming community, which clearly won't happen. Otherwise, I'd have expected some PC fanboys to jump in and insist that they'd buy one...but they know they won't. People WISH the Steam Machine would succeed...but they can't give a good argument for why it won't fail miserably.

1 year from now no one will be talking about the Steam Machine. Hell, hardly anyone's been talking about them for 6 months now.

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Vladplaya3530d ago

Exclusives, the "go to" console fan argument. Sad thing is, PC beats consoles even there heh

ShaunCameron3530d ago

Too bad the PC doesn't have exclusives of importance, though.

Dr Face Doctor3530d ago

Well they certainly aren't winning that category in terms of quantity.

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Theo11303531d ago

Can you plug in a M/KB to this thing? I just want to play dota on it.

xtremexx3530d ago

into the steam machine? i would think so since its technically a PC.

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Cold VR is all About Acting Super Hot

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This sounds very interesting, Superhot was a great game to take inspiration from.

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I liked the VR version of SUPERHOT. If this ends up being as good I'l pick it up (once available) for PSVR2.

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Tomb Raider Remastered just quietly censored one in-game detail

Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered players are ticked off by the game’s most recent patch, which censors in-game pin-up posters of Lara Croft.

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rlow16h ago

This is why gaming is screwed. When people change things to fit someone’s agenda, it’s a slippery slope downhill.

Christopher5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Even if that agenda is of the developer? Way to remove developer rights.

***One player called it a “huge problem with modern games,” saying they can now be “ruined AFTER people buy them”.***

The level of drama. Yes, I recall sitting there for more hours than I did anything else in the game. These two pinups are the core of the game, after all!

coolbeans4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

rlow1's cringe catastrophizing aside, I do think developers *ought* to strive to maintain an original work to the best of their ability. The language of a "remaster" tacitly implies that - for good or ill - what's being resold is what fans remember but better.

Profchaos4h ago

Games can be ruined after purchasing them yeah we know this not from this but from GTA IV which had half it's radio content patched out due to licensing expirations and to me that was a huge deal.

This pin up poster is a bit of nonsense but the whole argument of modern games can be ruined post launch is Absol true.

DedicatedDark3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

It's not their work to censor. They are incharge of restoration & remastering the work, not overwriting it.

Barlos1h ago

It's not the agenda of the developer though, they're pandering and trying to increase their ESG score.

Way to support censorship...

victorMaje1h ago

It’s not the end of the world for sure, but I understand the hate towards this kind of change. I believe it’s also a matter of principle.

Imagine a Picasso painting being restored & the restorer deciding there aren’t enough strokes, or some lines aren’t straight enough or curved enough…not sure it would/should sit well with people.

Have all original devs signed off on this change? Even if it’s the case, are we saying older gamers are better mentally equipped to process what was there than current gamers, hence the change?

Enough time ago the case was made that games are an art form. We’re supposed to have won that case.
So which is it? Are games art or not?

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Eidolon2h ago

Hasn't this been happened for over a decade since remasters? I can't see that it's any worse now. Maybe if Sweet Baby starts getting their hands on remasters we will definitely have a problem.

Rebel_Scum4h ago

tbh I dont see something like this as censorship. Does anyone else not find it strange for someone to stick pin ups of themsleves in a locker room?

Now of it was a pin up of some half naked firefighters it might make sense as Lara might like that, and if they removed that I would cry censorship. But removing pin ups of the main character, yeah I get it.

Barlos1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

It's a game, and they were placed there for the audience. It's not real life. If it was, she wouldn't have fought a T-Rex now would she?

Yes, it's censorship but it's a bit less in your face. If they were in the original game, then they should have been in the remasters. It's bad enough that they have that ridiculous unnecessary warning at the start, but then they start removing things post launch. I don't care how small the change, they shouldn't be doing it. It's nothing but ESG pandering but in a subtle way.

Rebel_Scum39m ago

Look bro, if you have pictures of yourself naked on a bear skin rug up in your house let me tell you, its not normal.

SimpleDad1h ago

By the year 2030, this remaster collection will totally be changed and censored. Probably will remove Lara as a playable character. It's ridiculous. Glad that my family didn't buy this.
I still have Tomb Raider 2 PS1 as a memory.

CobraKai1h ago

It’s mentioned in the article, and it’s a point i 100% agree with, it’s the fact that they can censor a game after you buy it. That’s total bullshit.

Killer2020UK44m ago

Whilst it's an overreaction to say this has "ruined" the game, it's still problematic that this has happened post launch and for many, post-purchase.

I don't want someone to change a product for the worse after I've bought it. The same goes for implementing micro transactions after reviews.

I wonder why they did this? Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

maykhausonninh37m ago

Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.