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Sony's Jim Ryan interview: "[Probably don't] feel the need to buy outright exclusives"

At Sony's Gamescom conference this week, he revealed that the PlayStation 4 has now sold 10 million consoles in less than nine months. A remarkable sales record that establishes the PS4 and the clear frontrunner in the next-gen console race.

Yet despite this, when we met with him at Gamescom, he assured us the figure could have been even higher had it not been for the stock shortages that followed the console's launch in some region

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FITgamer3533d ago

Good interview. Title comes off as arrogant though and is not what he said.

randomass1713533d ago

I think Sony simply earned a ton of support, exclusive or not through great hardware and marketing. That was more than enough for developers to put their A games on Sony platforms without the need for exclusivity deals.

xHeavYx3533d ago

Clickbait title, but good interview

JGMoney3533d ago (Edited 3533d ago )

Except hell blade, no man's sky, destiny dlc, etc....

Christopher3533d ago

Don't go based on the title, he didn't say that exactly.

The quote is: "Do we feel the need to go out and buy OUTRIGHT exclusivity? Probably not."

None of the items you listed are outright exclusives, only timed and one is not even exclusive since it's on PC as well on Day 1.

AngelicIceDiamond3533d ago

Hell Blade's multi.

I love how these days devs, pubs, manufacturers are strait forward these days.

Instead of beating around the bush PR nonsense they get strait to the point.

Sony doesn't need to buy 3rd party implying what everyone knows, MS bought ROTTR.

JGMoney3533d ago (Edited 3533d ago )

The title has it in quotes .... so who said it then?

I just assume it was said, but not listed in article due to title already saying it. Why else have it IN QUOTES?

EDIT: title was changed, so basically they put in quote something that was not said. That is sad to see a site working so hard for hits.

Regardless saying "Do we feel the need to go out and buy OUTRIGHT exclusivity? Probably not" he implies others do, which isn't the case any more than looking at Sony's purchase of GTA 3 to san andreas and final fantasy 7-10.

MightyNoX3533d ago

Sony helped the devs of No mans sky and it's still coming to XBone. Class act, if you ask me.

Christopher3533d ago (Edited 3533d ago )

***I just assume it was said, but not listed in article due to title already saying it. Why else have it IN QUOTES?***

Poor journalism. If you notice, I've updated it to better represent what he actually said.

***Regardless saying "Do we feel the need to go out and buy OUTRIGHT exclusivity? Probably not" he implies others do, which isn't the case any more than looking at Sony's purchase of GTA 3 to san andreas and final fantasy 7-10.***

Sony didn't buy any of those, AFAIK. They were put on the console with the biggest audience and they made more money on console sales. In the end, these were internal decisions to delay release to PC. Not Sony buying them. Kind of like Destiny being consoles only, there's more money in consoles than on PC. So, they go there first .

***And lets not forget Bloodborne which is developed by From Software.***

It's being published by Sony. It's a Sony IP. It's not a third-party title.

Nightcyberspud3533d ago

And lets not forget Bloodborne which is developed by From Software.

Skips3533d ago (Edited 3533d ago )

^Nightcyberspud

lol

Bloodborne is a completely new IP OWNED by Sony and is in collaboration with Sony Japan and From Software. -__-

JGMoney3533d ago

@cgood "Sony didn't buy any of those, AFAIK."

The fact that you think that these devs are going to PS4 simply because they love sony, and no money (whether through dev cost or outright cash) is involved, well you are lying to yourself.

Sevir3533d ago

HellBlade is multiplatform... But its Console debut is PS4 exclusively at least for a while.

HeWhoWalks3533d ago (Edited 3533d ago )

Um, Bloodborne is a Sony IP, not a 3rd party game. Just seems like you came in here to find SOMETHING wrong with Sony... The one "lying to themselves" is you.

OT: As the gap grows, I expect more exclusives from 3rd parties (be it Indie or otherwise).

Christopher3533d ago

***The fact that you think that these devs are going to PS4 simply because they love sony, and no money (whether through dev cost or outright cash) is involved, well you are lying to yourself.***

Where did I say that I think that? And, you are being way off topic here. This isn't about how Sony or MS get exclusives, whether outright or timed. This is about Sony saying they 'probably' don't see the need to pay for outright exclusives.

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Blaze9293533d ago

"[Probably don't] feel the need to buy outright exclusives"

Watch Dogs content?
Destiny content?
Agent?

A business is a business. Tired of all these articles paiting the picture like Sony is some heavenly god company set to do only good in this world while Microsoft is the evils.

They both do the same things when they need to.

imt5583533d ago (Edited 3533d ago )

DLC's is one thing, full game is another thing. I barely buying a DLC's.

Better to invest money in new IP's than buying a 3rd party game.

EDIT :
Yes, it is DIFFERENT THINGS! Don't put THE FULL GAME and DLC's in one basket. Who gives a shit about DLC's. I don't give a shit that Xbone owners will have COD : AW DLC first! WOW, a DLC. That's something biiig.

Blaze9293533d ago

@imt558 - no, it's not. It's the same thing. Stop trying to make excuses by separating what is exactly the same.

cloud 2793533d ago

@ Blaze, purchasing exclusive content on watch dogs and Destiny is nothing new, MS has done this on COD, Mass Effect and many more games.
Agent, nobody knows whats going with the game, is it exclusive to PS or multi is a question mark. If you watch the e3 2013 interview of Jack Tretton after Sony conference, even he doesn't know whats going on with that game. So until Rockstar and Take Two announce the game we won't know what is going on?

Yes a business is business, is Sony heavenly while MS is evil. To me they are both evil and good at the same time. Sony hasn't bought any third party games being funded by a publisher such as EA, UBI or Acti and made their game exclusive or timed exclusive, this isn't their policy. They have worked with independent developer (who makes AAA games) and funded their projects which are exclusives to PS, MS has done this with Epic on Gears, or Remedy on Alan Wake, and Quantum Break.

Studio-YaMi3533d ago (Edited 3533d ago )

Oh just drop it Blaze,you and I know how bad MS is doing right now & these stunts they do every now and then only backfire at them and does the complete opposite of what they hope for,they have more raged fans than happy fans now,this will only hurt the Tomb Raider franchise anyways,as for DLC?

Call of Duty says Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! :)

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Omegasyde3533d ago

Hey Blaze, get back to me when Sony buys a known multiplatform title exclusive to a Sony console.

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DLC is one thing, since eventually the DLC does come out for the other consoles, but Microsoft started it. Look at GTA4, Call of Duty, etc.

Who started the exclusive DLC (timed)? Yep, MS
Who started the paying to play online? Yep, MS
Who wanted to come out with a console with DRM and require you to always be online? Yep, MS.

Please retort.

Petebloodyonion3532d ago

And everybody is forgetting that Destiny is exclusive to ps3 and ps4 in Japan!
Sony has yet to answer is this is a time exclusive or full time exclusive.

http://kotaku.com/destiny-i...

ziggurcat3532d ago

@blaze:

DLC is not buying outright exclusives, and sony didn't "buy" agent exclusivity, R* owed sony for completely botching GTA IV.

but while you're at it:

*all* COD content?
Fallout 3 content?
Oblivion content?
Skyrim content?
Titanfall?
Tomb Raider?

shall i go on... ?

morganfell3532d ago

@Petebloodyonion,

Did it ever occur to you this a decision by Activision, Not Sony? That Activision feels right now that localization and continued support for servers, etc in Japan is not worth the money? That MS didn't pony up the cash for the extra costs Activision felt ewere not recoverable they apparently do not feel it is worth it either? All equal possibilities.

Petebloodyonion3532d ago

@Morganfell

No it never occurred to me for the simple reason that:
"In the West, upcoming shooter Destiny is a multiplatform game. In Japan, it's not. It's a PlayStation exclusive, Sony announced today"
http://www.scei.co.jp/corpo...

morganfell3532d ago

I still fail to see where Sony paid for this rather than availed themselves of the current situation.

Petebloodyonion3532d ago (Edited 3532d ago )

usually a deal involve money or something beneficial for both parties involved in the deal.

and before you tell me that there's no deal between Sony and Activision regarding Destiny in Japan

"Sony and Activision reach deal to release Bungie's upcoming shooter only on PlayStation platforms in Japan this September."

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

http://www.polygon.com/2014...

http://www.dualshockers.com...

And Like I mention in a earlier post the situation was NEVER clarified about that deal (time exclusive or life exclusive)

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WorldGamer3533d ago

With the number of units the PS4 has already sold, it will be interesting to see how that works vs. directly giving money to game developers for exclusivity or timed exclusivity.

While I believe your hardware should speak for itself and tantalize developers to want to work on it exclusively, when you need to make up ground in business I guess the rules are not that cut and dry.

Interesting comment overall.

Software_Lover3533d ago (Edited 3533d ago )

This is an edit:

TERRIBLE HEADLINE FOR THIS INTERVIEW. TERRIBLE. The remark wasn't as bad as the headline suggests.

2cents3533d ago

Very stupid choice of words, just to make people angry.

Christopher3533d ago (Edited 3533d ago )

I've updated it to better represent what he was saying. Was definitely a poorly chosen title to use and likely done to get hits.

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Corpser3533d ago

Yeah that "partnership"with Activision for Destiny timed exclusive content , how much did that cost you Sony?

Enemy3533d ago

Exclusive content isn't the same as buying a timed exclusive game. The amount Microsoft paid for Tomb Raider is probably just as laughably high as the GTA4 episodes that ended up on PS3.

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Christopher3533d ago

@pongamasta: That was bad as well. No one is saying Sony is an angel. But, that doesn't mean MS/SE get a free pass now. Bad trends are bad trends.

Christopher3533d ago

Don't respond based on the old title. They misquoted him. He was talking about buying outright exclusives, meaning buying games so that they are only available on their console rather than getting timed releases or exclusive/timed DLC.

MightyNoX3533d ago

At least they didn't prevent the entire game from coming to other platforms like, say, with Titanfall and Rise of the Tomb Raider. ;)

Nightcyberspud3533d ago

Yeah they did, they "bought" Bloodborne.

Nightcyberspud3533d ago (Edited 3533d ago )

And didn't they do the same with MGS4 last gen?

Sevir3533d ago

They didn't Buy Bloodborne!... The IP belongs and was created by Sony Japan Studio, From Software was brought on as a collaborative partner for the project because they wanted something in the spirit of demon's souls.

They didn't BUY Bloodborne! its a fully owned and internally created IP that is collaboratively developed by an in house and a third party developer. Have several Seats...

Sony has downright fully acquired 3rd party exclusives before. MGS4 is one such game.

xxjabberxx3533d ago (Edited 3533d ago )

MGS4 Hideo himself said the reason MGS4 didn't come to XBOX 360 was because it would taken 7 dvds to fit.

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Omegasyde3533d ago

Yeah that "partnership" with Activision for Call of Duty timed exclusive content , how much did that cost you Microsoft?

Yeah that "partnership" with EA for Battlefield 4 timed exclusive content , how much did that cost you Microsoft?

Yeah that "partnership" with Take 2 for Grand Theft Auto 4 exclusive content , how much did that cost you Microsoft?

Yeah that "partnership" with TAKE2 for EVOLVE content , how much did that cost you Microsoft?

Yeah that "partnership" with EA for Madden 15 timed exclusive content , how much did that cost you Microsoft?

Yeah that "partnership" with Activision for Call of Duty timed exclusive content , how much did that cost you Microsoft?

Yeah that "partnership" with EA for FIFA timed exclusive content , how much did that cost you Microsoft?

Yeah that "partnership" with UbISOFT for THe division timed exclusive content , how much did that cost you Microsoft?

Yeah that "partnership" with EA for DRAGON AGE timed exclusive content , how much did that cost you Microsoft?

Yeah that "partnership" with THQ for HOMEFRONT timed exclusive content , how much did that cost you Microsoft?

Omegasyde3533d ago

Ironically instead of getting exclusive DLC, they could of made exclusive games.

This type of stuff STILL happens under Spencer, yet he gets a free pass because he unbundled the kinnect?

MaxKingoftheWild3533d ago

Probably nothing to Activision. The deal probably involves sony taking up costs to market the game (hence exclusive marketing) which reduces the costs for Activision by millions. No company would pay someone to be allowed to spend money. That's just asinine. Which, anyone that says sony paid for Destiny content is saying.

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PS5 on Track to Become Sony's 'Most Successful Console Ever,' Says Jim Ryan

Former PlayStation boss Jim Ryan has said that the PS5 is "on track" to become SIE's "most successful console ever."

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Lightning7714d ago

Now he wants to say good things about PS after he laid off a bunch of ppl.

Real classy Jimmy.

Einhander197214d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Is that the worst you can come up with? Because if I was criticizing Microsoft I could easily list a dozen things only one of which would be the 5000+ people they have fired from their gaming divisions in the past 16 months including everyone who worked on producing physical games.

Let me remind you that PS5 is selling faster than PS4, they just had the hit live service game Helldivers, Spider-Man is still charting, they have already released Granblue Fantasy, Rise of The Ronin, and Final Fantasy Rebirth and Stellar Blade is right around the corner, they also have Silent Hill and two Kojima games in the works. They also have all the big gatcha coming out of Japan, Korea and China lined up for their consoles, which let me remind you that Genshin and Honkai Star Rail made close to a billion dollars last month alone.

They also have PlayStation Portal which is selling as fast as they can make them, and just around the corner they have a 33.5tf console coming out which don't listen to the BS is going to be awesome and supporting it is going to be easy since every game already has two modes so "quality" mode will only need to be unlocked for PS5 Pro's and existing games will be able to easily have PSSR enabled for them.

So yeah, things are looking really good for PlayStation, and the second half of the generation is going to be huge when all the PlayStation developers start releasing their PS5 Pro Enabled games.

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Lightning7714d ago

"Is that the worst you can come up with?"

I'm. Sorry what? Its called facts. I forgot you love Jim Ryan even if he doesn't know or care about you. None of them do. The sooner you touch grass and grow up the better.

Ok cool so what's the point of saying all that? I know all that.

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StormSnooper14d ago

@Lightning
Except it wasn’t a fact. Ryan has left PlayStation already. The layoffs that we saw with every publisher recently were after Ryan. So nice try.

Lightning7714d ago (Edited 14d ago )

"Except it wasn’t a fact. Ryan has left PlayStation already. The layoffs that we saw with every publisher recently were after Ryan. So nice try."

That was all Ryan before he left clearly. He stepped down officially a few days ago. He was doing his good byes he even took a picture with the London Studio only to shut them down days later. Don't try and shift blame or change history it was all him.

S2Killinit14d ago

Ryan left in September. 🤦

DivineHand12514d ago

I thought the layoffs were bad. It's bad when Microsoft does it and when Phil Spenser spoke about it 99% of the comments on this site were about how Xbox sucks. When someone is commenting on how Sony layoff people, you instantly find persons that run to defend Sony. This type of behavior is not good for gaming. Remain consistent in your principles no matter who is doing the wrongdoings. Stop waving your pompoms to one side because these companies don't care about you or their employees.

JackBNimble14d ago

Ryan announced it in September, he didn't leave in September.

Lightning7714d ago

Omg https://en-as-com.cdn.amppr...

Not even a few days ago just yesterday he left.

Hiroki Totoki is temporarily taking Jim's spot doing Jim's work for 7 months until he was gone April 1 . Now anymore foolish deflection from you ppl?

StormSnooper14d ago

@divine
Layoffs are bad, but we get these guys with zero credibility, who all of a sudden want to bring up layoffs because an article says something they don’t like. All the while they never bothered when MS did more than twice the layoffs after spending 68 billion to destroy multiplatform segment of gaming. The double standard SHOULD be mentioned.

Cacabunga13d ago

I just want to see those single player first party games.. i do not like the silence from ww studios

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Eonjay14d ago

I'm sure you also would say the same thing about Phil Spencer to be logically consistent.

fr0sty14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

You tell us, he laid of orders of magnitude more people than Sony did, and you remained silent.

JackBNimble14d ago

Are you guy's defending Jim Ryan just because he was part of playstation?
The guy did nothing good for the industry the entire time he was head of playstation.
It's his bad decision's that got people fired .

Lightning7714d ago

@Frost really now? Go find the article and look through the comments and you'll see my comment mocking MS. This isn't about MS though just the usual whataboutism from you.

But cool keep making up more stories it's in your head kiddo.

Funny to see Jim Ryan is suddenly a hero on here now.

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StormSnooper14d ago

Fun fact:
MS laid off 1900 employees from MS studios.
Sony laid off 900 employees from Sony Interactive Studios.

I hope you liked the classy MS after spending 68 BILLION on buying up the industry, then firing people.

S2Killinit14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

@Lightning77
Did it upset you that PlayStation is successful?

Lightning7714d ago

I have PS so why would it upset. I'm not a weirdo did Jim Ryan do lay offs or not?

S2Killinit14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Because you always seem to be upset when PlayStation is going good.

And Ryan retired in September. Sony laid off 900 employees recently. Every other large publisher did as well, including MS which laid off the most developers at 1900.

For the sake of proving your objectivity, please show me any comment you made about how MS showed its class by laying off developers after spending 69 billion on cannabalizing the industry. No joke, did you make any comment like that?

StormSnooper14d ago

I’m pretty sure you won’t hear back from him.

Lightning7714d ago

It's your head wanna see fanboy in everyone else because you are one. Not how it works I'm afraid.

Ryan announced his retirement in September. He was still in office Hiroki was training under Ryan hence why we've heard from Hiroki and not Ryan. Ryan officially left yesterday.

That's means Ryan did those lay offs. For God sakes just google it since it's so hard hard for you to understand.

"Sony laid off 900 employees recently. Every other large publisher did as well, including MS which laid off the most developers at 1900."

Yeah... No duh...

Wait class? MS showed no class they were candid about the lay offs and their strategy. They said no patronizing words as far as I know.

Other than that I don't know what you're even talking about. What comments do I have?

S2Killinit14d ago

Haha bravo! way to ignore what I said, conveniently. But, that answers my question. You need say no more.

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Cockney14d ago

I'm sure he was saying good things about playstation before they laid people off, not sure of your point

Lightning7714d ago

He lays off ppl and shut down a studio then wants to say good things about PS, not hard to understand. He was saying good things because he worked there, of course he said good things at the company he worked for.

They all do, so I don't know what you mean.

fr0sty14d ago

You say that like Phil didn't just give thousands of people the axe while you stood in silence. We see your hypocrisy... We know you're mad that your box just got the Dreamcast treatment, but at least try to remain objective.

Lightning7714d ago

Nice wrong assumption as always. You're a funny guy though.

Where I mocked MS

https://n4g.com/comments/re...

Anything else I can shut you on? You know know first hand I'm good at that

TheEroica13d ago

Ps5 is a turd of a console. If it outsells the ps2 Itll be the greatest paper tiger in gaming history. All pop and no fizzle.

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Profchaos14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Also Jim Ryan by the way everyone PS2 now sold 160 million total.

Still yes ps5 is a fantastic console if the games library in it's later half follows past cycles of showing off what the true hardware capabilities are we are still yet to see it's best games.

Rockstar is going to make the console sing with GTA 6.

With Xbox floundering talk of EU stores no longer stocking the games going third party fanbase is more divided than ever and Nintendo doing its own thing even delaying (rumour) switch 2 till next year PlayStation is running seemingly unopposed I'm not sure if that's a good thing but it's the reality we are in

PhillyDonJawn14d ago

Yet you still laid off a ton of people

Leeroyw13d ago

So should you keep staff you don't need in any other business? That's called socialism.

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Official PlayStation Podcast Episode 481: Here’s To You, Jim

PlayStation Podcast returns with Pacific Drive and Helldivers 2 talk. And the gang says goodbye to an old friend.

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phoenixwing17d ago

I think Jim is getting positive send-off since on mostly on his watch xbox turned into a multiplatform machine.

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PlayStation Boss Jim Ryan Reveals PS2 Sold 160 Million Units Worldwide

Sony Interactive Entertainment (SIE) President and CEO Jim Ryan has confirmed that PlayStation 2 sales reached a staggering 160 million units sold worldwide.

The soon-to-be-retired gaming boss offered an updated figure during a chat on a recent episode of the Official PlayStation Podcast. The conversation saw him covering his time at Sony while talking about the company’s direction for the future.

When asked about what the 2000s brought to mind, Ryan responded with, “The 2000s? That would be, I would say, 160 million, which is the number of PS2s that we sold. A high watermark.”

just_looken18d ago

The ps2/ps3 era so many dam good games and then you got the online im sure i am not the only one with a ps2 network disc that still works and the modem/lan deal for the ps2.

Great consoles all around

Cacabunga17d ago

The same moron Ryan doesn't understand that great games not gaas is the reason why PS2 was so successful

just_looken17d ago

Ryan took charge in 2018 sense then we got the gutted ps4 update that killed simple coms 2 of the main studios dead went from multiple new exclusives on ps4 to the ps5 ghost town.

Crossplay that killed competitive gaming and just simple controller vs controller

Gaas crap like you said

Ps4 ip's just dead

hey were is my ps move support eye toy or even the ps vr support ryan?

The ps vita 2 rip

The horrible ps5 user interface

Sony push into making there games for everyone moved hq to cali now all esg

There psn chat being monitored by ai can not say/share anything now eyes are watching you

That is just the top of my head its just not the games ryan failed to understand under his leadership he killed alot of what made playstation.

blackblades17d ago

Ps2 couldnt even do gaas or anything it was forced go that one route.

Modpeel17d ago

Horrible Ps5 interface? Ya, ok. That's not a thing. At least you tried

jznrpg17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

PS2 was one of the best generations ever if not the best. Imo much better than PS3 gen though there were some great games during the PS3 gen it started out a little slow and finished strong

Shane Kim17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Imo the classic consoles stopped with PS3. Now it's just copy and paste games, online, gaas and dlc's. This is why I really like FF7 Rebirth. Feels like a classic game.

Cacabunga17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

PS3 is my favorite PS console ever, followed closely by PS1.
PS2 was amazing but i haven’t been gaming much that gen.. too busy with schooling and stuff..
PS4 was just copy paste of PS3, like Shane said. Other than bloodborne and VR i didn’t feel there was something truly incredible and worth remembering last gen for.

FinalFantasyFanatic17d ago

I pray that my PS2/PS3 never dies, I have so many good games trapped on them, I know one out of two of my PS2s have died (I was considering opening it up and having a lot inside).

just_looken17d ago

I had my launch xbox die it was the power supply i never knew until i got a new one and after the fact opened my old one that the power supply could be replaced with a few cables :(. You never know it could be a simple ribbon cable

FinalFantasyFanatic16d ago

@Just_looken,
Hopefully it's something simple, it still powers on, just doesn't output picture/video or sound.

Relientk7717d ago

The game library of the PS2 speaks for itself. These sales are absolutely well deserved. PS2 is still arguably the best game console of all time.

just_looken17d ago

Game library and the features third console to have online mp but it became mainstream thanks to ps2/xbox then you got that sweet dvd player and the console size got so tiny. Singstar/eye toy the portable version oh also that component cable output then the whole sp game after months getting somewhat boring well gameshark it woot woot

FinalFantasyFanatic17d ago

I did main my PS2 as a DVD player when I wasn't playing games, good times.

Sgt_Slaughter17d ago

I just wish the video quality was better on the system since I've got so many classics for it. Yes, it can go all the way up to 1080i for certain games, but even today it's hard to get the right cables and the right calibration to make things look great compared to the Xbox or GC

just_looken17d ago

If you can there hard 2 find but launch ps3 consoles with backwards compatibility are great for replaying ps2 games.

FinalFantasyFanatic17d ago

I plug my PS2 into my AVR, but that seems to be more complicated that I would have expected, maybe I can find a component to HDMI converter at some point.

SimpleSlave17d ago

While I would always consider the OG XBOX as the best system during that generation - some of the games were truly next gen. So much so that the graphics actually affected the gameplay and game design - I still love the PS2. Still, it's clearly obvious that we are beyond spoiled now a days. Where the most middle of the road game has better controls and gameplay that half the PS2 library. Ditto for the Indie scene.

The reality is that the PS4 is the greatest console of all times by a country mile and the PS4/Switch/WiiU/Xbone generation is the greatest gen ever. Not even close. The PS4 physical library is almost ludicrous at this point. Then you add the digital library and there was never a comparison.

Skuletor17d ago

Your opinion isn't "reality".

SimpleSlave17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

@Skuletor - Neither is yours, bud. Still, I never claimed it to be my opinion, it was just an observation based on the quality of titles released for the console. From compilation of classics, to re-releases of classic, to its own unique library of physical and digital games released throughout the 10 years of its existence. All of it counting toward making the PS4 the best console ever released.

If you don't agree then you're more than welcome to chime in with something a bit more substantial. Otherwise, why bother?

mcstorm16d ago

I get where you are coming from. For me I enjoyed the Dreamcast the most that gen and seeing PS2 Vs DC games now I kind of know why with the output being better on the DC. I also owned a Xbox, GameCube and PS2 but the PS2 was my least used console that gan.

I was surprised at the time as I played my psx alot more than my Saturn and N64 I have found each gen my preference has changed. Just like the Xbox one, PS4 and WiiU gen I played more of the WiiU than the other two.

I'm fully off consoles at the moment and own a Rog Ally with a 3080 that I connect it to when docked and I've really enjoyed this console alot more than I thought I would.

That said the sales of the PS2 is impressive and I can see why people like it so much but just like anything in life some of us prefer other things to what is popular.

Just like I've never owned an apple product as they are just not for me.

SimpleSlave16d ago

@mcstorm - I'm pretty much the same way. My favorite consoles are the OG Xbox, the PS1, and the Sega CD with all 5 games. Then it's the PS4. So I'm not even saying this as a number one fan or anything like that.

As you said, some prefer the popular system, and that's fine, I don't see anything wrong with that. I think the problem lies when they make their taste the holy grail of anything. In the case of the PS2, the system was absolutely amazing, and I never even imply otherwise. Some legendary series were either born or expanded on that system, no doubt about it. But I think, when you step back and look at the experiences and games and franchises released for each of the systems, the PS4 is simply at a ludicrous place. And I do believe, only when looking back, people will come to realize this.

People do forget that back in those days, there were actually less games coming out. The gaming droughts were absolutely real and brutal. If there was nothing coming out, then there was literally nothing coming out. Now? There is never really a drought. When people say nothing is coming out, they mostly refer to AAA and popular games, but if you keep your eyes on the industry, you know that a plethora of great games come out on a monthly basis. From AA to Indy games. There's always something coming out and a lot of it is pretty good.

And that's probably the problem. When there is so much good stuff coming out, nothing in particular stands out. So it does seem like no legendary games are being released compared to the PS2. But there are and you just have to look for them, sadly. Especially when a lot of these games are only coming out digitally, so they become even more obscure and difficult to reach. Like I said, in 20 years, people will look back at the PS4 library and be in complete astonishment as to how they miss most of it.

As somebody that collected for the XBOX, PS2 and mainly the PS1, I can tell you there are so many hidden gems in those systems, it's pretty surprising. And as somebody that tried to collect for the PS4? I gave up. I can't really keep up anymore. It's too much. Too many great games coming out that are worthy of having in the collection, but between digital, limited runs, European and Japanese only releases, things got way out of hands a few years ago.

I would love to see a complete collection of the system. I think it'll put stuff in perspective for some.

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Sgt_Slaughter17d ago

So odd that the number is suddenly higher than previously thought right as the Switch is closing in on the long standing record.

Crows9017d ago

They stopped reporting numbers so....yeah

ShwaaMan17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

I mean I hear what you’re saying, he did just round up by 2 million, but that doesn’t mean he’s lying either, maybe just updating the official number. The Switch still has 15 million to go to beat the Nintendo DS and another 5 million (approx) to beat the PS2… and it’s in its 7th year now. Also, if it does end up surpassing the PS2 will it hold that record for another 20 years like PS2 did?
A massive success for any of the big 3 is good for everyone, it drives the competition and should be celebrated across the board in my opinion. It makes everyone notice and adapt to the winning formula which is good for all of us. I love my Switch, it’s the first Nintendo system I have owned since GameCube, but they all have their strengths and I love my PlayStation and I have had all of them. Sony caters to my preferences in gaming more than the others. But that’s me.
Fanboys are so odd, what a weird thing to flex. Hey guess what, Microsoft has sold 600 million copies of Windows 7, mic drop?🤷‍♂️

mkis00717d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Whatever your hinting at is stupid; most people assumed ps2 was above 160 million because of the time between last sales report and last console manufactured. Switch is handheld, it will always be competing in that space. Ps2 had a smaller industry as well. Unless you think it would succeed without being a portable? Wii u 2?

Good-Smurf17d ago

IKR, all Nintendo did was they finally made more powerful Wii U portable and that's plays into their strength.
And it doesn't take much to make something more powerful than Wii U even back then.
It would have been a lot lower in sales if it wasn't a Hybrid console.
PS2 was able to do that huge numbers with much smaller industry and without the help of social media and easy access to cheap fast internet.

ChasterMies17d ago

Never underestimate the trickle of sales of old hardware. I’m glad that Sony keeps old hardware (and games for the old hardware) on the market after the new hardware releases.

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Gamerscore207717d ago

The PS2 had a phenomenal library of games for every genre. It’s unfortunate we’re never going to witness something like that again.

just_looken17d ago

Too think all those ip's sony just burred out back or tossed to companies like activision on the cheap what a waist.

mkis00717d ago

Its more of how long it takes for games to come out due to dev cycles. Think how fast sequels came out like gta 3-san andreas, god of war 1,2. Battlefront...

FinalFantasyFanatic17d ago

@mkis007,
I really don't know why more big budget studios don't do some AA titles in between bigger titles, not everything needs to be a AAA game with huge cinematic and photo realistic graphics.

jznrpg17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Of course we won’t get as many games. It takes 2-3x longer and more money to make a game than it did back then.

rlow117d ago

So he just came up with this fact all these years later??? I wonder if it has to do with the Switch closing in on the PS2 lifetime sales? How convenient.

NotoriousWhiz17d ago

He probably just rounded 155 to 160 million.

rlow117d ago

Could be but that’s a big 5 million stretch. Especially after all these years we were told different

TheCaptainKuchiki17d ago

could you please NOT pretend like you know better than the CEO of said company 💀

rlow117d ago

@TheCaptianKuchilki

I do doubt the narrative and Jim has lied before even going as far a lying to the FTC. Heck, he went and visited the London studio and didn’t hint that in two days they all would lose their jobs. While he may be quite sincere and honest about the numbers, something he could have rectified years ago. The timing and his past behavior makes it highly suspicious. So I do question the validity of his statement.

mkis00717d ago (Edited 17d ago )

You people are smoking some bad reefer with this conspiracy stuff. This is not the first time this was known, just the first time it is official. They could care less abou home console 2000's vs portable console 2010's...they are not invested in the school yard bs like you or me.

derek17d ago

@rlow1, it's you that are making a big deal about it. Why would he lie, becuase he's worried the switch will pass that total? Lol. Don't confuse the console war conversations we have on n4g with Ryan's statements on anything playstation. He was with playstation from the start and was apart of their climb to success. He would have the exact number.

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