Rebellion: PS4/XB1 Distance Closing

Rebellion believes that the distance between PS4 & XB1 is closing, and they may exploit the extra 10% GPU boost soon in Sniper Elite 3.

[XiSasukeUchiha]

Closing, for now but eventually as this generation continues one console is going to increase gap.

You got three chooses

A) PS4
B) XB1
C) Wii U

[GameNameFame]

Closing?

Explain to me how 10 percent more GPU is so importatnt, but 50 percent more GPU power PS4 is not important.

author's fanboy logic does not make any sense.

If that 10 percent GPU do wonder when exploited, then the 50 percent more GPU on PS4 will create a massive gap when exploited too.

[Ausbo]

Ps4 doesn't have 50% more power. Its 50% faster. Big difference. The 10% however is 10% more power.

[Artemidorus]

Name one game that offers 50% more GPU power next to Xbox One.

[Ausbo]

I'm getting a disagrees, yet all I've stated is facts. Someone tell me why I'm wrong

[johndoe11211]

@GameNameFame

That's way to much logic for some people around here to grasp.

@Ausbo

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

@Artemidorus

1. Even though developers are not pushing for straight parity, you'll have to be totally clueless to think that they will make one version of a game that looks a lot worse on one system over the other and loose sales on that system.

2. The gen has now started. to expect to see massive differences now would be unreal. when devs have fully unlocked the potential for both systems and one of them has a lot more potential to unlock then that is another story.

3. The reality is the only devs that will be really pushing the limitations of these systems are the first part devs and I guarantee you we will begin seeing a noticeable difference in the quality of first party titles.

We have already seen what the ps4 is capable of in it's early stages with infamous, driveclub, the order and soon uncharted. It is unimaginable what we will be seeing in five years. Just as we saw the ps3 push graphics that were never seen on the 360, we're going to have a repeat this gen. But it's going to be worse.

[Bigpappy]

@GameNameFame (NextLevel): Because , just maybe,PS4 is NOT 50% more powerful.

Its the developers making the claim that the performance gap is closing. Not the Author. So you are the one being the fan boy, by claiming bios when the author QOUTED the developer in verbatim.

You obviously didn't read, because you keep copy and pasting the line in ever article where developers are saying they could reach parity.

[stuna1]

Most people live a world where only one contender has the ability to evolve be exploited or otherwise be used in a way to maximize it potential! Because after all we live in a world where resources are limited and therefore it's only logical that the one that people perceive to have the most room to grow, be the one that's the candidate.

What's really intriguing is how quick some are to hang their hats on the next big thing, when everything prior has been shot down! Do we need examples!?

[Nekroo91]

You're getting disagrees for stating that now the xbox can use 10% of the 1.3tflops gpu for gaming, but the 1.8tflops gpu on the ps4 means nothing.

How can Ausbo have 5 bubbles when he doesent understand this?!

10% more that was reserved for the kinect inside the 1.3 tflops gpu its STILL WEAKER than a 1.8 tflops gpu!!! Hypocrites

[Ezz2013]

i agree
it's pretty amazing how 40 to 50% stronger/faster GPU and stronger/faster Ram are
""Meh, no big deal..GFX don't matter it's teh fun ""

but somehow unlocking 10% of GPU which bring it back to 1.31Tflops
which still much more weaker than ps4 GPU is
""OMG TEH GAP IS CLOSING""

EDIT: @Ausbo
1.31Tflops (7770) Vs. 1.84tflops (7850)
http://www.hwcompare.com/12...
glad i can help

[GameNameFame]

@Ausbo.

It actually do. 1.84 Tflop for PS4 and 1.18 tflop for XOne.

Not ghz, but the actual power it self.

It has 50 percent more computing units too.

As for games using 50 percent more GPU, look at Infamous, Driveclub. or any game that has resolution gap.

900p vs 1080p is about 50 percent more pixels. you fanboys ask for proof, but you never accept it.

PS4 has same CU chips as X1, but literally has more of it. like 50 percent. again, its facts you are too desperate to accept.

[johndoe11211]

@Ezz2013

I've got a hundred dollars that says no one will be able to counter what you said with any argument that makes logical sense. Your comment is the definition of "absolute truth"

[GameNameFame]

@the infected.

Actually it doesnt have better tools. Devs already been complaining for that fact.

@bigpappy

Lol. i hear your last bubble pop. Face the facts buddy.

tell me how does 10 percent gpu matters, but 50 percent doesnt. That fact has been verified by people who took apart PS4 and X1 boths.

[jebabcock]

@Ausbo

You have no clue what you even just said nor does anyone else... Because it is absolutely nonsensical. GameNameFame's initial comment wasn't much better but at least he made a valid point(that 10% improvement needs to be taken in context). For the respect of others please refrain from making comments regarding hardware performance..

Technically the 10% is less substantial... It only applies to the GPU... Yes the GPU is very important but if the improvement didn't come where the bottlenecks were, then its really just marketing fodder and will offer little help to actually improve games..

Marketing fodder is something MS is notorious for. I haven't been hearing many devs coming out and claiming that this 10% helped them bring parity or even close the gap between the two systems, in fact most seem to avoid direct responses to the said improvement with vague("It's possible somewhere in the future" type responses)...Aside from that devs will take whatever they can get and usually be grateful. We like to take things out of context here on N4g though.

[fr0sty]

Not 50% more power?

The 50% number was actually derived from the number of compute units in PS4's GPU. PS4 has 50% more CUs than Xbox One.

It has 250% more RAM bandwidth to its main pool of RAM.

It has 50% more texture units (each CU has 4 TUs in it, so 50% more CUs = 50% more TUs).

It has 400% more asynchronous compute engines.

It has 100% more render output pipelines.

So, that 50% was actually the lower of the percentage numbers chosen, though you can't accurately just slap a percentage on a console and say it is X% more powerful than Y. It doesn't work that way. However, if you want to talk about raw power of the individual components, 50% is actually among the more conservative figures you could toss around.

Both have bottlenecks that prevent them from utilizing their full potential. Both have a weak CPU, though PS4 makes up for it with the additional compute units that can perform GPGPU tasks to aid the CPU. So, PS4 will be CPU bound less often than XO due to having a helping hand from those CUs. XO has some nice fast ESRAM, but it's bottlenecked into only being able to use a tiny, TINY 32mb of it at once.

The gap isn't closing however... not by enough to matter. For every step forward XO makes, PS4 also cranks out an optimization that brings its lead back out again. Both consoles will continue to have what we consider them to be capable of improve... but there will never be a day where parity exists between the two. Not even close. There will always be a noticeable performance gap resulting in lower resolution, effects, etc. on XO, unless the developer purposely dumbs down their game to target the lowest powered hardware configuration.

[MeliMel]

Ausbo,

Dont take it to heart man..these dudes are crazy up in here. If they dont like what you have to say or you like Xbox you stand no chance.

I have both systems and altho I can tell a slight difference in graphics, its not leaps and bounds better than XB1. Not saying the PS4 wont increase fidelity gap again with time. As of right now its not..

@Artemidoris,
I can't, but im pretty sure someone will try!

[Ausbo]

Ok ok. You guys proved me wrong.

dont ever call me a fan boy though. I dont want to be associated with that filth on n4g.

[Oner]

@ GameNameFame, Ezz2013 & Fr0sty ~ EXACTLY. You have to laugh at how those who actually completely believe minor software improvements trumps better STOCK hardware...but what can you expect from those who try to use math to prove a point and when that same math is thrown back at them they disagree and argue. Contradiction much?

[purp13m0nk3y]

Wow! This again!? Why oh why are we having the same argument we've been having for 12months+....again!

Nothing has changed in the last 12months. PS4 hardware still > Xbox1 hardware. And it will still be the case in another 12months.

I hope to f'k we are still not feeding the same BS flame bait articles by then. Then again I thought that 12months ago too....

Sigh.....

[DLConspiracy]

I think its important to remember that anything under PS4s resolution will be pointed at and looked down upon in the comments online. Yet people will still play all consoles regardless with a smile on their face.

[dantesparda]

@Artemidorus

COD Ghost and MGS:GZ say hi, both have a res that is 125% higher than the X1 versions

BF4 has a 56% higher res and a better framerate then the X1 version. Do you want me to go on? Cuz there are many more. Honestly, you couldnt have said a dumber thing.

Also, does the guy being interviewed even know his own game? He says the game runs regularly at 60fps when it doesnt and he claims both tear, when the PS4 version doesnt tear at all. Just more stupid sh*t from these devs that come off like they dont even know what they re talking about.

[conanlifts]

Why does everyone keep quoting 50% more power. To be 50% more powerful would the PS4 not need to be 1.97Tflops instead of 1.84?

Serious question BTW, I own both consoles so just want a decent explanation.

[dantesparda]

@sd11

It comes from the original TF numbers which were 1.23TF before MS overclocked the GPU to 853MHz, thereby raising the teraflops to 1.31TF, which your right isnt 50% more (its 40.7% more). However, the PS4 still has 50% more shader cores/units (1152 shader vs 768) and also has 50% more compute units (18CUs vs 12). So thats were it comes from. However, there's a bunch of other areas where the PS4 is more powerful, like for example, its got a 100% more ROPS (32 vs 16) and they matter for resolution. Its also has 400% more ACE/queues(Asynchronous Compute Units) (8/64 vs 2/16). Its got 50% more Texture Units (72 vs 48) and 88% more pixel fillrate at 25.6GPixels vs 13.6 and 40% higher texture fillrate at 57.GTexels vs 40 on the X1. Also the PS4 176GB/s memory bandwidth is 258% higher than X1's 68GB/s to its RAM. However, it does also have 204GB/s bandwidth but only to its 32MB eSRAM. Which in my opinion is to small, hence alot of the systems issues. The X1 does have a 9.375% higher clocked CPU (at 1.75GHz vs 1.6) but there is reason to believe that the PS4's CPU may still be faster (due to benchmarks). Also the GPU on the X1 is 6.6% mhz higher.

[wsoutlaw87]

A lot of the comments hear are acting as if ms added 10% which would add to the tflops and the hardware its self. It is still the same hardware, they are just allowing devs to use 10% more of it than they were.

[Sy_Wolf]

@Ausbo The GPU in the PS4 has twice as many compute units giving it a 50% performance advantage with GPU compute. It also has more stream processors. Also you should learn about how hardware works before you try to comment on it. The PS4's GPU certainly isn't clocked twice as fast as the one in the Xbox, that would require liquid cooling and an insanely binned GPU. Also a way bigger power supply.

[Azzanation]

Seems like you brought into another one of Sonys hype. Just like Cell last gen. PS4 isn't 50% more power, its 50% faster. Look up the differences before you post next time.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[a08andan]

Some people don't seem to understand that the teraflops numbers we have been given are the theoretical maximum of each console. The PS4 will ALWAYS be about 50% more powerful in terms of raw numbers, however over the years developers will get new and improved tools and techniques to reach that maximum theoretical performance. But the difference in numbers between the consoles will NEVER change.

[otherZinc]

@GameNameFame,

The PS4 sure isn't showing 50% more power in its exclusives:

Killzone Shadow Fall: no Campaign Co-op, shoot an enemy in the chest they fall forward...ridiculous

Infamous Second Son: "hop" up a building to a window, look at the building behind you, then look at the same building through the reflection...it isn't the same building! I mean LMAO! It's like the building turns into a McDonald's, a Gas Station, a Pizza Hut, or something; whatever it is, it isn't the same building. It's open world with nothing in it, very stupid AI, no damage left on buildings, you can beat a car with this massive Rottweiler dog chain & leave no damage to the car, then the car explodes after a while...wtf?

Knack: well, this is self explanatory garbage.

The Order 1886: you have 4 interesting players...no Campaign Co-op? Wtf?

Drive Club: started off very ambitious, now has no where near the features it said it was going to have.

So, where's this 50% more power? It's all talk because it isn't on display in their Exclusive Games.

[GameNameFame]

OtherZinc,

Lol. what ever criticism you may have not to mention those are complete BS. Still cant deny looks far better than X1.

[Dontworrybhappy]

*Choices

[Magicite]

Basically author says: PS4 stands still, X1 is improving. Pathetic at best.

[PlayableGamez]

Idiot, you can get all three if you want.

[Ghost_Nappa]

*choices

[2cents]

stop arguing over stupid sh1t people.

Who the hell doesn't already know the specs. Just go and play some games on these consoles instead of wasting your lives arguing over teraflops.

or

how about the PS4 camp being happy for the xbox camp that they will now be getting more stable multiplats. Xbox owners be happy of the same thing. Also, xbox owners... the x1 will NEVER be as powerful as the PS4. Specs and hardware are defined till the end of this generation. Just end this useless measuring contest or someone is gonna get it in the eye.

LET THE GAMES DO THE TALKING.

[Infamazdre]

I'm an Xbox fan regardless but everyone already knows that gap ain't closing I also know it's not that big a deal unless you have a super dope TV. The big difference is between last Gen and current and my Xbox one sure looks a Hella lot better than my ps3

[funkybudda]

And my PS4 games blow Xbox 360 games out of the water.

[madjedi]

A super dope tv, any half decent tv will show the difference between 1080p and below.

Could you have picked any more of brain dead comparison, 8 yr old hardware vs 1-2 yr old hardware. Wtf kinda results were you expecting.

[Flamingweazel]

How can a hardware diff CLOSE?? The gap will always be there, the extra 10% is just allocated from what x1 has, it is still the same amount LESS then what PS4 has, MAn the gaming media and the FPS, Resolution, power excuses are embarassingly bad

[TruthInsider]

The 7770 v 7850 is wrong.

They both have slightly cut back 7790(xbone) and 7870(PS4) cards.

http://www.hwcompare.com/14...

[Festano]

Microsoft is listening to users, and finally we see the first results.

[DanielGearSolid]

Gotta be the Devil's Advocate here

This game runs way better on Ps4...

What results are referring to?

[Bigpappy]

Read the article. The developer did not use the new SDK on the X1 version yet. That's what the article is about. He is pointing out that he can patch the x1 vision.

As someone who is a hardware tech and only have basic programming skill for aiding hardware design, I will not come on here and make any claims of being a game or graphic designer. But what I will do is pay attention to what Multiplat developer say they can or cannot accomplish.

[Eejanaika]

looks like you gotta be the fanboy apparently

[Imp0ssibl3]

They're doing better, agreed. But I don't think that it will be enough to counter the inherent PS4 hardware advantage, just wait for Uncharted 4 to be released and everyone will see.

[lifeisgamesok]

10% gpu, at least 5% cpu (revealed from the Crew developers)

[johndoe11211]

You cannot close the distance between hardware specs. One machine will ALWAYS be able to outperform the other. No amount of 10%gpu, 5%cpu, directx, hidden triple core cpu super overdrive hardware esram tricks is ever going to change that.

If that was the case then video card manufacturers would not need to be making upgraded video cards every 6 months. They would have just either released software drivers to boost performances or sent out firmware updates to allow the cards to utilize more power on the older video cards.

This is going to be a very long, very harsh generation for people like you.

[BX81]

The hardware may not be the same but the graphics aren't too far off. You might as well accept the fact that the xb1 is not as strong as the ps4 but can produce some nice ass looking games. Kinda like the ps4 isn't going to do what high end pc's can do but it can produce some quality stuff like the order.

[madjedi]

@bx81

When one console version of the game is rendering twice the pixels as it's competition, the graphics definitely are far off.

No one(rational) is saying the xb1 is incapable of producing gorgeous looking games. But stop trying to spin the xb1 hardware as slightly weaker than the ps4.

For a guy proclaiming to not be on anyone's side, you sure have a bad habit of defending the xb1 against any detractors. At least far more often than a truly "neutral" gamer should be.

[vlashyr]

Micorosoft is recovering against Sony, but in time when the hardware of Ps4 will be exploited more there will be again the differences.

[odderz]

Yes, but then there will be directx 12 and the cloud .... we'll see.

[sinspirit]

The cloud will not increase console performance. Azure cloud is not built for processing any heavy workloads, let alone that almost no one has an internet connection good enough to stream that functionality.

DX12 will make almost no difference for X1. X1 already has the low level API that DX12 is basically trying to adapt to PC's.

[madjedi]

These are troll posts right?

[kaiserfranz]

Well, now I want to see the games at 1080 fps 60.

[carreirabr]

Really Rebellion?

Somebody haven't seen Eurogamer's Sniper 3 face-off showing the huge differences in IQ and performance between the PS4/Xbone versions.

[Volkama]

You think rebellion need to read eurogamer's assessment if their own game in order to understand the differences between the consoles? That's just backwards.

[OpenGL]

They made that game, I'm sure they're well aware of the differences.

[Letthewookiewin]

This dev also said they had no problems with the X1 and look how that turned out. The was a huge difference between PS4 and X1.

[ThanatosDMC]

Cant bite the hand that's giving you money.

[Kingdomcome247]

Sorry.I was scrolling on my phone, and accidentally hit disagree.

[ThanatosDMC]

^All good. It happens.

[Artemidorus]

You get what you pay for with a Playstation 4 less features in the box, cheap controllers that break easy, 90's style earbuds, lacks games (for now). garbage online system that most users have no clue about behind closed doors. Open GL which quite frankly is also garbage

Only plus for Playstation 4 is the 1080p 60fps will come with pretty much most games.

Sooner you all start waking up the better. 9 million people have been robbed already.

Xbox offers less in hardware yet they produce the biggest updates and ideas no suprises about a gap closing.

[Ausbo]

Haha we get it. You dont like Sony.

only thing I agree with is the garbage ear buds they threw in there. That was just for the bullet point on the box

[AnteCash]

Your trolling is so bad i wanna throw up in your face.

[SmielmaN]

Lol. Best comment so far!! Bubs up!

[Gwiz]

LOL,owning a PC i can say neither impress me HW-wise.
That doesn't change the fact that the PS4 gives you more for your money which i also own,buying an X1 at this point is a waste since none of their top tier games have even been released yet.

[ThanatosDMC]

I'm impressed with the PS4 hardware wise especially since it's weaker than my gaming laptop but can have gamrs that look damn good as Killzone and Infamouss SS.

[Muzikguy]

This is one of the craziest things I've ever read. I've never had a PS controller break either so no clue where that came from. Some people like paying more for less I guess. More for a weaker system, more for online, same amount for downgraded games.....

If paying more nets you less I'm happy to "get what I pay for" with the PS4

I do agree the earbuds suck

[Ausbo]

I think he is referring to the cheap plasticky feel of the dualshock 3.

the dualshock 4 is a great controller though.

[Muzikguy]

That may be, but he's talking about the PS4 therefore talking about the Dualshock4.

[thereapersson]

Or maybe he is referring to the rubber coating that comes off of the sticks on the DS4. Though, that hardly qualifies as "broken"; it's certainly annoying, though.

[sinspirit]

OpenGL is superior to DirectX. This is a controversial topic, but OpenGL is at least capable of just as much, if not more than DirectX, because OpenGL doesn't require downloading a specific version of DirectX every time you download a game, it has had access to tessellation and a ton of other effects normally before DirectX but it simply just doesn't have wide support because of DirectX's hype back in the 90's PC market. DirectX is also only limited to Windows and is more restricting, while OpenGL can be ported to almost any platform with no problems and with enough work it will perform better than a DirectX version.

[MysticStrummer]

"I don't like cheap products"

Then you shouldn't like a less powerful console for the same price, and you should have been outraged by a less powerful console for a higher price.

[OpenGL]

The PS4 doesn't use OpenGL, it uses two custom APIs known as GNM and GNMX.

[ThanatosDMC]

I wish someone made a GNM or GNMX account here and replied to your comment. Bubs up.

[ssjkiet]

He says garbage hardware yet the Xbox internals are weaker then the PS4's .... LOL.

[joshuatobi]

Wow u must be delusional. Ps4 is lacking as much games as Xbox 1. Your next games isn't coming out till fall in sunset overdrive which looks cool but can it sell XO. We will c but just cuz something has better features doesn't mean that's what gamers want. Gamers want to play the best versions they can for the least amount of money that's why they choose ps4

[kenshiro100]

Are you sure you're not referring to another console that starts with an X?

[CryofSilence]

This frothing fanboy is beyond help. Time to go the way of old Yeller.

[Utalkin2me]

The irony in that is, you owned a 360 over a PS3, roflmao....smh.

[XtraTrstrL]

Oh god, this again? The 10% CPU will help, it's not gonna make X1 games look/perform the same as PS4 games. Only crappy devs can manage that, otherwise, the PS4 version is still gonna be noticeably superior. This isn't an extra 10% more CPU power on X1 than PS4, this is X1 just reallocating 10% of the CPU they dedicated to the Kinect.

[Gwiz]

People should learn that performance of games is up to developers,CoD ghosts for example that game runs and looks terrible on PS4 but lets not forget the relationship Activision has with MS where they receive XBL money,look at their official forum and see the active Xbox support while the playstation versions get very little to none support,in general the newer systems get sloppy ports the focus still remains on the bigger instal base.

[Gwiz]

Dafuq not what i was replying to.

[XtraTrstrL]

Yeah, and I hate to say it, but this is partially why I'm kind of optimistically watching Destiny. I couldn't bring myself to preorder it because of the Activision connection. I hate how they're mainly the ones that stamped the competitive multiplayer map $$$ DLC tag onto shooters that others ran with, that's destroying the genre's community.

This is why Epic never use to charge for mods and map packs back in the PC days of Unreal Tournaments. They made all those maps and gave the tools to users to keep the community thriving, and they looked at giving the free AAA quality maps as a way of ensuring huge sales on the next sequel in the franchise.

Now, folks like Activision with their COD devs do it the other way around. They force you to buy the new maps if you want to not lose the majority of the player pool, because you and the people who don't buy the maps will be playing with less people after that. It's just how it works, it creates 2 pools of players, I guess those who buy it have more people to play with than those who don't - but they still have less than they had before. It happens with each map pack release too, cuz not everyone that buys the 1st one or 2 will be the last 2. So, the pools keep getting smaller, that combined with the fact that it's not dedicated servers and you can't choose from a list - makes it horrible.

I want to buy Killzone just to support them for making a bold statement at the start of the generation. Keeping the competitive mp map packs free is the right thing to do for so many reasons. I wish I found the gameplay a lil more fun though.

[Lennoxb63]

The X1 has never had trouble rendering the same graphics as the PS4. The trouble comes with rendering those same graphics at the same resolution as the PS4. So they sacrifice resolution so they don't lose any graphic fidelity.

[strickers]

That would be fine if it were true. It's not though.
They have lower res AND often lower fps, more tearing, missing or reduced fx and worse or less AA.
Just accept it and move on

[Lennoxb63]

@strickers

What? That doesn't make sense. If a game is 900p on X1 and 1080p on PS4. Why don't they crank the X1 version's res up if it had all that stuff missing in the first place. X1 doesn't have any lower graphics fx. Just lower res and on occasion lower frame rate.

[Aurenar]

Killing Kinect was right.

[Macdaddy71]

Where does bone heads get the Ps4 is 50% more CPU??? This how crap gets started, I own both systems, n Ps4 don't have anything special over X1, if you don't own both you should not be able to talk bout the one you don't have, cause all people knows is what they read, and we all know bout some of the writer!!!!! Ps4 has a ton of tearing in some of its games with the 50% more whatever! how does the Sony babies feel bout that????

[04STIBluByU]

Woah...So wait a minute...I own a 2004 STI, but I can't talk about the Mitsubishi Evo because I don't own it? WTF kind of sense does that make? I could have bought either one...and before you go and say we are talking about video games...not cars...its comparing two very similar products competing for your dollar! I love the Evo, could have bought one, but I love the boxer rumble, at the better torque curve! I love the PS4's power and their 1st party games! Same sh!t dude!

[Gwiz]

Already said something towards you but somehow ended up elsewhere,but received a response much more related to the fundemental problem that you're referring to.

[BX81]

@macdaddy
I own both as well and I agree with you to some extent. Like it or not the ps4 is the stronger console. That is a fact. Now I don't think well see this gap in the games like some trolls think. Last gen the best looking titles were TLOU and uncharted followed by some others. Now when I take gears 3 and compare to TLOU, both look great but TLOU looks better. I don't see a huge gap but there is a gap. The same will happen with this gen. I same an article on n4g saying the wit her 3 demo was running on the xb1. I bet that surprised a lot of people. Honestly it surprised me. The game looked gorgeous. I think a lot of people under estimate the xb1 in the Sony camp and a lot of people overestimate it on the ms camp. The fact is the games are going to look fantastic but the ps4 has the advantage. In the end it's up to the devs. No point in bragging about a system when most devs won't use it's full potential. That goes for both the xb1/ps4.

[Goku781]

Lets see how Destiny turns out next to PS4 first. The beta's not even running 1080p yet. PS4 is just a better spec'd machine only so much cutting conners can be done with Xbox One.

[MCTJim]

I own both. The games we are seeing now are still considered launch games before all tools and SDK's were optimized. Who the heck is going to rewrite code for a game that they want to release. Its not as simple as just applying the new SDK and blam, better effects, resolution etc. Once the tools are better we will see differences between the two, though the 50% difference is not true at all, real life differences maybe 10-15% at best. The PS4 has better raw hardware. There is no disputing that... That will be about it..No real eye popping differences.

[Dudebro90]

This ^^^^ x1000

[MaxKingoftheWild]

From the headline I thought this was going to be about sales. I see that it's about performance though. To that, I say, how many secret sauces are we going to get?

[EverydayGuy]

Isn't rendering at higher resolution equate to the power difference?

[hello12]

Astounding especially in light of Sniper Elite dropping lot more frames with the PS4 version compared to the xb1 version. XB1 version wasn't using the new SDK.

A true proper analysis
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Digital foundry analysis on the otherhand was crap. Especially in light and knowing this guy reviews PC graphic cards for Nivida and AMD and writes articles for them. He's a PC elitist with no hidden agenda or bias to either console. Eurogamer is a website that supports Sony.

Wolfenstein the order was 1080p on xb1
Sniper elite is 1080p too
Destiny will be 1080p
Crew 1080p too

Ps4 50 per cent powerful was always a joke and i'm glad its now showing up to be just that.

PS4 WAS never 50 per cent faster or more than 50 per cent more powerful.

The PS4 uses 14 CU's for games, the raw stats of the CPU show 22 CU's with 18 been used. Multi-core processors have inherent inefficiency with more CU's-14 is the balance and a Playstation dev confirmed they were only using 14. Microsoft uses 12 CU's for games. This therefore decreases teraflop performance. So in reality the PS4 is about 10 to 15 per cent more powerful.

http://www.vgleaks.com/play...

http://gamingbolt.com/akihi...

[Yetter]

you can provide all the facts you want, but the trolls on this site will never read them.

[MasterCornholio]

"Rebellion's in-house Asura engine proves that it has the potential to bring a 60fps experience to consoles, although the technology doesn't appear to be fully optimised for the task in hand given the large gap between PC, PS4 and Xbox One performance. The PS4 game holds up rather well in approaching a 60fps set-up while featuring almost identical graphical quality to the PC game running with ultra settings enabled. The frame-rate drops are still distracting, but aren't really severe enough to heavily impact upon the gameplay. It's clearly the most dependable console version and easily the one to go for given the choice.

In comparison, the Xbox One version feels like it could have used a little more time in development to better optimise around Microsoft's more complicated hardware set-up. The graphical compromises rob scenes of some fine detail, while performance fails to deliver anywhere near a perceptual 60fps. An obvious solution for achieving closer parity may have been to drop resolution, but in a game so reliant on picking out small detail from a distance, that probably isn't the best idea. There's the sense that Rebellion simply made the best compromises available. By and large, it works. There's still much to enjoy here - it's just that the experience isn't as solid as it is on competing platforms."

KNWs facts are not facts if they come from a poorly done comparison. I'm sorry but Eurogamers extensive comparisons says that the PS4 version is better than the Xbox One version with the PC being the best version of the game.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[thereapersson]

"Eurogamer is a website that supports Sony. "

Bet you weren't saying that last generation when many of their analysis articles showed the PS3 versions of games running slightly worse than the 360's versions. What a joke of a post you have there. Are you MR.X in disguise or just one of his acolytes?

[Yetter]

@MasterCornholio Neither of us once said that the XB1 version of sniper elite was better than the PS4 system. What we are disputing is the '50% more power claim'. It is more like 10-15% and KNWS clearly pointed out why

[MasterCornholio]

Maybe you didn't but KNWs clearly said that the XB1 version of Sniper Elite 3 was better than the PS4 version. He uses gamingbolt as his source to prove that. However their comparison is horribly don't and Eurogamer's tech analysis is much better. But then he discredits Eurogamer by calling them a bunch of "Sony fanboys".

Why do you keep making yourself look bad by supporting him? Its almost as bad as supporting Truefan1 in my opinion.

[MaxKingoftheWild]

First off, you didn't watch the YouTube clip did you? The Brit said Xb1 version suffers from more screen tearing and poorer image quality overall.

Secondly, eurogamer supports playstation? Then why did 360 vs ps3 always go to the 360 unless ps3 was used as lead platform?

[Gwiz]

They might render 1080p but how about the FPS?,some games in that regard are developed so they would be 1080p/60fps on both systems like Wolfenstein is,and i expect certain games to be equally on both accounts.
It's obvious though that certain games have higher res while running 30fps like WD is,unless Ubisoft did that on purpose because Sony was really advertising the shit out of this game and of course having a movie deal between them.

I forsee a lot of BS this gen.

[imt558]

KNWS, shut up, will ya?

Here is proper Sniper Elite III FACE-OFF :

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Quote :

Eurogamer is a website that supports Sony.

I smell MisterX brainwash

[MasterCornholio]

I agree with you. I'm really getting tired of Mr.Xs followers making crazy posts on N4G. Heck KNWs went bonkers over the DGPU rumor when it came out.

[MysticStrummer]

"KNWS, shut up, will ya?"

Good luck with that. I just saw a comment from him in another thread claiming that upscaled 1080p was superior to native 1080p.

He needs help that can't be provided here.

OT - The hardware difference will never go away.

[GamersHeaven]

You're pathetic you have to post lies in order to feel better about your purchase of a inferior version of Sniper Elite 3.SE3 drops more frames on the Xbox One this has been proven by DF analysis PS4 has 5-10 FPS lead with a solid V-SYNCED unlike Xbox One which has terrible screen tearing http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... < Not sure if you know how to read or understand what that all means but it will give you some insight on horrible Xbox One looks and performs compared to PS4/PC its a mess.

BTW all those other games you mentioned being 1080p look and perform better on PS4 that's with them trying there hardest for parity.Mister X called he wants his medication back.

[plasticidolatry]

Almost everything in your post is wrong.

The youtube video you linked improperly counts torn frames as a full frame, when it should be discarded. DF's framerate analysis is the proper one.

Wolfenstein on Xbox One frequently downscales resolution to 960x1080 to maintain 60 fps.

Sniper Elite 3 is 1080p yes, but constant screen tearing unless locked at 30 fps, and lower AA/AO.

Destiny isn't 1080p yet, and if it is, it will have lower framerate and visual effects, as expected.

The Crew isn't released yet.

PS4 has +6 CUs, +540 GFlops (40% greater) or more, +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support (volatile bit and onion+ gpu cache bypass bus), better performing CPU, faster unified memory, and less OS overhead.

All 18 GPU CUs (compute units) in the PS4 can be used for graphics rendering. You said CPU instead of GPU, a huge fundamental mistake.

[thereapersson]

Have a well said bubble on me.

[mochachino]

Uncharted will show how close they really are.

[SlavisH2]

N4g won't like this

[Spotie]

Many won't like it, because it's utter stupidity.

Why do folks like you try to spin things a certain way when every bit of evidence in the world points to something else being true?

[WildDonkey]

It's gonna be epic when it finally comes to light that the Xbox One is actually the stronger faster console. The internet will melt down. The Xbox One is built on future tech which is not fully utilized with today's game engines and way of coding. I know i will be mocked and ridiculed for these statements but i have definitive and reliable insider information that Microsoft is in fact unable to reveal the true nature of their hardware due to strict NDA's with AMD. I know most of you have heard this before but soon these claims will be substantiated and the gaming world will know the true power of Microsoft's cutting edge machine.

[04STIBluByU]

Approximately when will this happen? 2 yrs,3,4,5? Next month maybe? What game might showcase this power? I assure you Naughty Dog will blow away any 1st party developer on XB1. Quantic Dream always has good visuals too! What developer can compete with ND or QD when it comes to visuals? Maybe Remedy...maybe, but still not the best!

[MaxKingoftheWild]

I really hope your post is satire. But I honestly can't tell...

[sinspirit]

I totally believe you. I think I can trust you more than that "MisterX" guy.

[joeorc]

@WildDonkey

you forgot to use a "/S" for sarcasm there!
The Myth that the xboxone is the stronger faster console is just that a freaking Myth...and you will be waiting for something that will never happen..but carry on!

[magnoliafan]

If it was gonna happen, it would have happened. Xbox can't afford to not pull out all the stops at this point. This is there first attempt, and while a decent one, still doesn't b bring them to where they need to be. To say to the world, "We have the technology! We just can't show you yet cause reasons," and expect them to believe you and buy the shit out of your product is just naive and childish.

[Petro]

Added bubble for funny.

[Back-to-Back]

"Xbox One is built on future tech which is not fully utilized with today's game engines and way of coding"

Armchair developer much?

Seriously I've had enough with N4G lately. Idiots can spew crap like this with little to no technical knowledge.

[patrik23]

Sniper Elite 3 Digital Foundry Face-Off

- PS4 fares well, almost matching PC IQ (@1080p), running at ultra settings as DF claims.

- XB1 has lower resolution artwork and reduced texture filtering and also limited indirect shadowing

- PS4 closest to delivering 60 fps experience among consoles, with a 5-10 fps lead over XB1

- XB1 has trouble keeping a consistent framerate when vegetation is on screen

- XB1 suffers a lot from tearing

In terms of the consoles, the PS3 boasts smoother-looking shadows than Xbox One

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[lemoncake]

The performance distance between the two is very close, ms don't have to turn the equivelant of a tractor into a formula 1 race car they just need to add an air freshner to that tractor to catch up with the competition. The formula 1 car is the PC, these machines cannot compete with a high end one, best they can do is add go faster stripes to the tractor and hope no one notices.

[The_devils_chum]

I think when uncharted and the order comes out theyre will be no doubt that parody will never be reached unless devs really gimp games.

[strangeaeon]

So, the parody will never be reached? Really? Someone needs a dictionary. The "parity" will most definitely be reached.

[ainsleyharriott]

The two are a lot closer than most people think, but you buy consoles mainly for the exclusives that interest you. If you want graphics go PC.

[isa_scout]

So the developers of one of the most glitched,bug ridden,broken, and ugly games I've ever bought are talking about the power of these systems? Forgive me if I don't believe a damn thing they say. Sniper Elite 3 is utter garbage. If this was Bungie,Bethesda,Ubi, or any respectable developer I would believe them but Rebellion? Please...
Sniper Elite 3 is the worst game I've bought on my PS4... It took 3 weeks for them to release a patch for the multiplayer, and the thing still sucks. So much pop in during MP that I swear sometimes I thought I see a guy moving, and here it's just a window or bush pixelating so much on the map that it looks like movement.

[SpinalRemains138]

Haha yeah. There you are, and you think perhaps you saw binocular glint, but it was just a window pixelating white. The multiplayer is very fun, but in all honesty, the game runs like trash. Way too many pop ins and visual issues.

[ccgr]

time will tell

[shaenoide]

Sniper elite is ugly as hell what do they know about power or rendering possibilities?

[Sm00thNinja]

N4G wouldn't even acknowledge this statement if Naughty Dog said it! The armchair developers here are far more knowledgeable about the hardware than an ACTUAL developer psssssh /sarcasm

[thexmanone]

Wow this is the fist time I ever heard the PS4 was stronger.
It sure doesn`t look like it when I play my son`s PS4. In fact there seems to be more frame rate issues when playing BF4 then my Xbox.

[JWiLL552]

This is the first time you've heard PS4 is stronger?!

Welcome to the internet! Watch out for Nigerian royalty making false promises and no, clicking that link won't get you a bigger dick.

[thexmanone]

Your just so funny, will you be my friend?

[Sm00thNinja]

I chuckled lol

[windblowsagain]

@Artemidorus

BATTLEFIELD 4.

XB1 IS 1280X720

PS4 IS 1600X900

The difference in pixels is 51.8%.

The gap will never close and the 10% is nothing.

Say a game is 50fps. 10% is 5 fps.

But PS4 HAS 50%+ More power.

And no DX12 WILL DO FUK ALL FOR XB1.

It will only help PC aka mantle style.

[strangeaeon]

Pixel percentages isnt attributed to the fabled 50% difference, read up friend.

[Imp0ssibl3]

As a PC user, I'm really excited about DX12. Hopefully we can really exploit our PC's power.

[Flames76]

Hell the PS4 is yet to even match ryse which is still the best looking game on any platform.I dont see PS4 closing the gap at all.Plus now you have sunset overdrive coming out which is the best looking open world game we have seen yet this gen

[JWiLL552]

You've obviously never played InFamous: SS or Killzone: SF.

Sunset Overdrive looks vibrant and I'm sure it will be a blast to play, but visually InFamous has it beat.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

"Ryse looks worse than Avatar on my HDTV." That's a more apt comparison. Ryse is linear like a movie with QTE. inFamous is openworld reserving QTE with boss battles.

http://www.gamespot.com/for...

[Subaruwrx]

You sir are delusional. Ryse looks great but the gap in power between the two platforms is clearly in the PS4s favor as evidenced by almost all of the multiplat releases.

[Imp0ssibl3]

PS4 closing the gap? That's quite hilarious...

Infamous: Second Son is a lot better than Sunset Overdrive graphically.

[Kingdomcome247]

Just... Wow. Sunset Overdrive has a great art style going for it, and is a day one for me as I'm hoping Insomniac can get their early Rachet&Clank swagger back. It cannot touch Second Son in the overall visuals department though.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

One day its "Its all about the games and what you prefer, power difference is meaningless" Today its "the gap is closing!" Make up your minds Xbox fans.

[Revengeance]

Lol Xbone fanboys are clamoring at anything to make it seem the Xbone is almost as powerful as the PS4. It's truly pathetic they can't accept reality so they continue their crusade with false claims and baseless statements.

PS4 IS more significantly more powerful than Xbone. It is a FACT. No "parity" will change that. If you can't see it in the games now, then I'm afraid you're blind as a bat.

[EvilWay]

Console power will not make a difference. Games will look the same when it comes to multiplats because they will not completely cripple the other companies game. Exclusives will look slightly better on the PS4 it will not big a huge leap from the Xbox One games, we have seen this already.

Enough with this power/resolution BS can't we just enjoy our damn system of choice and not argue about who is more powerful, because we all lose because PC is vastly superior in that department

[mysteryraz11]

not all pcs, most pcs are weak ass shit even the wiiu can run circles around my pc is perfect example, lol stop acting like everyone has high end pcs when they dont, enjoy having played outdated looked indies all day and slightly better looking ports ill be playing far superior exclusives and pcs games dont even remain exclusive anyways,so really no exclusive games just timed ports, hell mk8 on the wiiu murks any pc game in fun and being worth playing

[Imp0ssibl3]

Actually most multiplatform games had fairly significant differences so far.

[EvilWay]

Oh yea? All multiplats look at run basically the same. The Xbox One versions drop frame's a bit, but other than that its the same exact game.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Dear N4G, stop posting ads for bullshit skinny pills

[gamer1980]

Gotta say im still awaiting for greatness,,,

The ps4 can have the slight multiplatform resolution advantage early days,this simply due to the ram advantage.

Best looking game so far Ryse,thats without the 10% gpu increase,new SDK,and cloud,not to mention developers getting to grips with the more expensive/premium/move architecture.

Add in superior online facilites and updates and an updated version of possibility the best joypad in creation.

Cant wait for Halo/Gears/Forza Horizon to show the 'real' power of the Xbox One,then the face off can really start!!!

if p@ss4 fans think the gaps gonna widen then theres a shock in store,if you dont believe me come back in 2 years time,we'l compare the results

Very confident : )

[wcas]

I have both systems, I play the PS4 more. There is no shortage of games for PS4. Software sales for PS4 are recently higher than for X1. For my X1 I can't wait for The MCC. I always have been an Xbox guy from the first Xbox with Halo to the 360. This gen I went with PS4 primarily because of the great upcoming games lineup, plenty of third and first party games and because from the beginning PS4 (Sony) have demonstrated a commitment to games and gamers and as a gamer I recognized and appreciated that. Also PS4 is simply more powerful for gaming because the whole architecture was designed for gaming first and everything else was secondary, unlike the X1.

[wcas]

PS4 still considerably more powerful over all. It's good that MS is trying to squeeze every little bit of juice they can out of the X1 to help developers out. 1080P and 60FPS on both PS4 and X1 versions of a game does not necessarily mean the consoles are on equal ground or that the power gap is small. Mario Kart 8 on WII U runs 1080P 60FPS because the graphics etc. are not demanding enough resources to be a drag on the system. My point being. If a game has same Rez and FPS on both systems then the dev went for parity, the graphics or other aspects of the game are not demanding or are nerfed somewhat for X1 etc. etc. The over all power gap is more than small, why some find that so hard to accept and just won't let it go is baffling until it is recognized for what it truly is, fanboy denial or paid MS PR spin.

[Subaruwrx]

If the target of this generation of console hardware is 1080p/60 fps, then yes, imo, the gap between the Xbox 1 and the PS4 will close because we'll see more developers get more out of the Xbox 1's hardware and be able to reach that target. Just because the PS4 is more powerful doesn't mean that the Xbox 1 won't be able to come close in terms of performance - it all comes down to the 'Law of Diminishing Returns.' That said, given the choice between console multiplat games (not talking about PC's here because I don't game on PC's,) I will always buy the superior version even if there's only a marginal performance difference and in most cases that version will be on the PS4.
Disclosure: I currently own a PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, 3Ds, Vita and PS4. I am platform agnostic and will buy a Xbox 1 as soon as MS figures out their vision for it and lowers the price for the Kinect bundle to at least $400.00. Imo, buying an Xbox 1 without a Kinect is akin to buying a 3 legged horse.

[wcas]

Same here when it comes to console games. I will buy the best version even if it is a small difference. However, as a matter of principal if both versions are about the same or devs have invoked parity. I buy the PS4 version because of Sony developing hardware focused primarily on gaming first, not entertainment first. My heart sank when I saw MS E3 2013 conference. I was going to get the X1 and an xbox was going to be my primary console as it had always been. Then I watched the MS conference and they made it clear what the X1 was truly designed for and that is the very reason it is struggling now. All things considered X1 is selling well but imagine how it would have sold had MS made it more powerful by designing the architecture for gaming first instead of entertainment first. Heck, MS still does not market X1 as a game console but as an all in one entertainment device. lol MS should change their advertising strategy on that point.

[Subaruwrx]

I too based my decision to buy the PS4 based on the E3 reveals for both consoles. It was clear to me at that time that MS was not focused on gaming but on being an entertainment hub instead. They have since attempted to erase from the consumer's mind their original vision of being King of the entertainment center by disconnecting the Kinect and by drastically curtailing their ambitious original TV programming efforts. So far, MS's efforts to backtrack on their original vision for the Xbox 1 have not been successful

[DJ]

A 10% boost means nothing when PS4 has double the memory speed and 50% more GPU cores.

[Bennibop]

To be honest this is a developer trying to increase sales based on what they might do for x1. Sniper elite 3 on x1 has frame rate issues and terrible screen tearing.

[Yomaster]

I like how people are arguing over which console looks better because of teraflops, etc.

I hate to drop the bomb on you guys, but you're literally arguing over the shiniest of two turds.

You want to argue about superior gaming graphics? Argue about which PC configuration performs better graphically. Kthnxbai.

[airforcex]

Sony fans, 360 was better. Sony had maybe 10 games I bothered with. Yes, I owned both consoles. Fast forward to 2013. MS created a console for 2010. Who cared for Kinect in 2011? That was last gen. Sony focused on the right thing; (relative) power! You can add peripherals if the market wants it. You can't place all eggs in one basket; yes, it worked for Nintendo...once! MS won't come back out of this one. I got a PS4 and not even Forza will make me pay $400 for a less powerful system.

PS; haven't played one game on my PS4. Cool but currently overrated. Where are the games? On PC.

[karamsoul]

As long as there are good games on both systems, I don't care much about any "gaps".

[MonstaTruk]

I do. For both consoles to share roughly 97% of all games between the two and be priced at $400-$500, if one is proven to show a gap (say...40%+?), I need to know this. Money might grow on trees for you, but for me? Yeah. I need to know that. Major deal breaker... ;-)

[Scatpants]

Yeah I have both and I really don't care about all these statistics. The games look fine on both. as long as they are fun I don't give a sh!t about framerate or resolution. I feel bad for all these nerds endlessly debating statistics. Why do they care so much? Just play you're games on whatever system you want, you don't need to try to make other people feel bad for picking something else It just makes you look like a lame fanboy.

[X-23]

I guess we'll just pretend the differences in hardware don't matter when it comes to performance...and that removing a peripheral from a machine will give it a performance boost...and that DX12 will also make a gaming console achieve Super Saiyan status.

It doesn't really matter anyway...these companies are looking to make maximum profit while putting in minimum effort. The PS4 could be 10x more powerful than the XB1, but at the end of the day the games (except for exclusives) won't be polished up in regards for the PS4's capabilities it'll always be some douche agenda to make the games on both consoles look similar to one another...what was that stupid ass word those guys used...oh yeah, "Console Parity"

[Scatpants]

Another secret sauce xbox one article. In 3 years the GPU in Xbox One will be equivalent to 3 SLIed Titans because sauce.

[SonyAddict]

I hope it is closing because as much as I like my ps4s performance I also want my X1 to perform just as well!.

[marcofdeath]

For the most part i stopped talking about this. Why? Most of you (99%) don't know what the hell you are talking about.

There's two types of information, unofficial and official.
Fan boys here love the unofficial.

1."The GPU in XB1 is a 7700 or 90." MS did not say this, even the real world facts don't support this.

AMDs own web page about CU of the PS4 V.S. SPU of XB1.<official>
http://www.amd.com/en-us/pr...

"GCN Architecture1
(one compute unit equals 64 stream processors"

So XB1 is not a GPU with CUs, it's SPU....

2.By now most should know that XB1 memory system is 200GB/s DDR3+ESRAM that work as one system, if you don't your a idiot...<official>
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Now take a look at the AMD page from a HD7790.<official>

A. Memory Interface is only 128-bit GDDR5. XB1 is 1024-bit + 256-bit Interface. No! That don't fit.

B. Memory Bandwidth 96GB/s (maximum) v.s. 200GB/s in XB1.
NO! That don't fit.

Now go over and look at the specs for PS4's GPU the HD7870.
http://www.amd.com/en-us/pr...

A.Memory Bandwidth 153.6GB/s (maximum) check!
Page 13 <official>
http://develop.scee.net/fil...
B. Memory Interface 256-bit GDDR5 (maximum) check!

Facts will all ways kick you in the ass, they do here. Some of you will go out and look for lies that you like the sound of, some from Gamerbolt <unofficial>.

How i remember when people where saying MS changes the names of parts of the GPU all the time, but was that truth or a lie because now AMD is too. <official>
AMD
"Stream Processing Units"

http://www.amd.com/en-us/pr...

[Brettman2008]

According to AMD, the PS4 uses a semi-custom APU jointly designed in conjunction with Sony. It is not purely off the shelf components. You can't compare the PS4 GPU to an off the shelf AMD GPU, the PS4 GPU is modified.

PS4 has a faster GPU and RAM, there will always be a gap in performance with Xbox One.

http://techreport.com/news/...

[marcofdeath]

You must show your work. Not just talk. Your link is not official, my link is from Sony. You can't get any more official than that. Unfortunately websites like to tell people what they like to hear. The math does not say that PS4 memory system is better than that memory system of Xbox one. Sony's own development documents say that the highest achievable bandwidth is 135 GB per second. If you cannot provide a link closer than the source I have provided then why should I believe you.

[Vantage]

The nerds congregate to measure their chodes while the master race basks in their eight inches atop their golden mount.

[king_ps4]

Ps4 blows the Xbox one out of the water.

[FayZ_]

the sony n4g community are like justin beiber fans that never stop 'belielbing' in sony , calm down, but its true, sniper elite was only like 10fps behind the ps4 version without the 10% gpu boost, just imagine the parity if they used it?

destiny used the boost & now its 1080p. you will pretty much see little to no difference from now on. shame for the ps4 because it has nothing to brag about unless you enjoy paying for indie games.

[Brettman2008]

PS4 has 50% more GPU compute units and faster RAM. Xbox One is getting 10% back from a much slower GPU. PS4 will always have superior graphics for multiplatform games. It's not just resolution and frame rate its also draw distance, screen tear etc.

[welly300]

Both systems are not what we expected I thought we would be doin high res and 60fr with no trouble but it seems they can't or struggle at best.

[Brettman2008]

Built to a cost. Spend another $100 on a far superior GPU and you would get a powerhouse that probably wouldn't sell too well, except to the hard core. Wait a few years, both consoles should show much improved graphics once they start maximising them.

[kakashi81]

Some people are putting bad comparison GPU's up. Xbx1 is more like a 7790 while PS4 for is more like an 7870.