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The Framerate Debate

Thirty frames per second; that is the the framerate per second (FPS) that console gamers are accustomed to. On the PC on the other hand, framerates that dip to or below 30 are deemed unacceptable. Having a 30 FPS on the previous generation was something that most people were ok with. However, now with the release of the PlayStation 4 and the Xbox One, many gamers are feeling a bit disappointed that games on the PlayStation 4 and the Xbox One hardware are running at 30 FPS.

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JBSleek3574d ago

60 fps is a better gameplay experience than 30fps period.

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MysticStrummer3574d ago

Not really. Depends on the game.

JBSleek3574d ago

What?? Name a game that doesn't benefit from a higher frame rate?

Dudebro903574d ago

Every play Gears of War in 60 FPS on PC. Its far too fast.

Asuka3574d ago

Agreed. A good example is Dark Souls 2. Because of the way the engine works 60fps actually increases weapon degradation and hitboxes suffer as well. This is why weapons such as ultragreat swords degrade much faster on PC because technically the weapon is spending twice as much time colliding with objects causing it to degrade twice as fast. So lock fps to 30 to fix this

Spotie3574d ago

Candy Crush.

What do I win?

Seriously, for some games, it just doesn't matter.

clouds53574d ago

60fps is always the better experience. It's just way smoother. Look for 30 vs 60fps comparison on google...

For me there are certain games that require 60fps, like first person shooters or side scrollers - everything based on reflexes. And other games where it's nice to have but not required. Like slower paced adventure games, strategy games and stuff like that. RPGs.

What I find extremely funny as a PC gamer, for years consoleros told me that high quality textures and 1080p/60fps is just nice to have and not required to have fun etc etc. And now EVERY game needs to be 1080p/60fps or its crap. People are even hyped for rereleases of games like TLOU just because of higher fps/resolution! What I'm trying to say: on PC this stuff is included in EVERY game since 10 years. We always have high resolution and up to 120fps and YOU choose if you want it or not or if you're happy with medium textures and high fps or rather have 30 fps but ultra textures.
What you guys are hyping atm is stuff that is a standard for gamers since a looong time. So chill, it's not that big a deal.

clouds53574d ago

@dudebro/Lance lionheart: that is just lazy programming/lack of optimisation. If they would have targeted 60fps this wouldn't be an issue.

MysticStrummer3574d ago

@JBSleek - Chess.

I win.

; )

Like cloud said, slower paced adventure games, at least some strategy games.

Vegamyster3574d ago

The only games you could possibly argue are ones like Hard Rain or Beyond which are quick time event based gameplay, any game which requires you to move the camera around will indefinitely benefit from a higher framerate. The only person who would argue against this hasn't benefited from trying multiple genres of games with it, many games prior to the PS/N64 era were 60 fps.

memots3574d ago

60 fps is a better gameplay experience than 30fps period. < --- that is a fact but if the game is built and locked at 30fps and there is no detriment to the controls/gameplay then 30 is fine , Always

ABizzel13574d ago

@JBSleek

A cinematic Adventure games like Heavy Rain, The Walking Dead, and others IMO. I hate watching movies outside of their native 24fps, and for games similar to that I don't think having 60fps is a worthwhile improvement on something that's suppose to be "filmic".

Now I agree with you on just about any other genre.

BX813574d ago

@clouds5
Why would they need to target 60fps if it's not needed for that game?

Volkama3574d ago

@Abizzle it isn't the same as watching movies outside of native 24p at all. In that case you are watching a film with interpolated "made up" frames, and it is bad.

A game's native framerate is whatever it is running at, and 60fps is always absolutely better than 30fps (a bug in Dark Souls 2 doesn't change that).

Hving said that, 60fps still needs to be weighed up against the other things that could be achieved instead. There are definitely times where the resource is better spent elsewhere.

BitbyDeath3573d ago

COD: Ghosts.
If you do not remember PC and PS4 had over 60FPS when it had launched and this caused all sorts of frame issues with the game.

Honestly though the benefits of 60FPS are greatly exaggerated. Sure it may provide a slighlty smoother experience but nothing overly game changing.

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Silly gameAr3574d ago (Edited 3574d ago )

@JB sleek

No offense,but are you the new Sasuke? Have to be first on every article? No offense but not the route you should go.

Anyway, the framerate and resolution bs feels like when xbox 360 only owners ragged on ps3 owners about this last gen.

JBSleek3574d ago

It's not hard to be first you just look on the pending stories.

Also I am very careful what stories I comment on due to this site being very volatile to certain viewpoints.

combatcash3574d ago

A locked 60 fps frame rate is better than a locked 30 fps frame rate. However 30 locked vs 60 variable imo in most cases is better.

d3nworth13574d ago

Basically any game that doesn't require quick response time. Devil may cry vs Demon Souls. DMC is a much faster game so you would need a quick response time to react. Demon Souls is a slow paced game, both your character and the enemies are slow moving. So 60 fps wouldn't do anything to the gameplay. I played Assassin's Creed 2 on Ps3 30fps and PC 60fps. At 60fps the gameplay didn't feel any different. All it had was smoother looking animation.

MasterCornholio3574d ago

Pretty much. But in no way is a rock solid 30FPS a bad experience.

tee_bag2423573d ago

Agreed. Under 60fps is always better than 30fps. In 2014 every game should be this standard. To my surprise and disappointment with the new consoles, that's not the case.

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PurpHerbison3574d ago

How many of those games actually ran at 30FPS? Yes 60FPS is better but 30FPS isn't that bad if it is actually locked at 30. I can't tell you how many consoles games I played that were supposed to be 30FPS but averaged much lower than 30.

Ghost_Nappa3574d ago

Far cry 3, so.....much......tearing

Vegamyster3574d ago

Before i bought the PC version i picked up the 360 version during Boxing day, i don't recall a single reviewer mentioning how bad the framerate was on the console versions.

Ghost_Nappa3574d ago

@vegamyster reviews are idiots not to

TheFirstClassic3574d ago

Screen tearing on fc3 is awful. Had to trade it in, will get it on pc at some point.

Master-H3574d ago

Dragon Age Origins ps3, made me quit the game actually.

SilentNegotiator3574d ago

For the graphics and what went on, DA:O ran like crap on Ps3. Awful, awful optimization.

Master-H3574d ago

@SilentNegotiator i know right, the graphics looked straight up like ps2 era, but it wasn't a deal breaker, and i liked the game's story , dialogue system and everything but just couldn't stand the damn framerate fluctuations and screen tearing anymore, so i sold it after about 2 hours in.

memots3574d ago

i would say about 95% of game last gen were 30fps and people were not so L33t about it.

Its a combination of the entitle syndrome and the all or nothing mentality. Why was i fine to game at 30 fps for almost 8 full gen ( yes yes i am old and started on console on atari 2600 )

BattleAxe3574d ago

Exactly, just buy a PC or forever hold your peace.

PrinceOfAllSaiyans3574d ago

I really don't care about framerate at all. What I hate is people who say they aren't buying a ge just because it isn't 60fps. Me personally I still can't tell a difference.

dumahim3574d ago

Watch this. It's full 1080p/60fps and minimal compression.
Heed the warning below the video though, you need a fairly strong PC to run it flawlessly.

http://www.naughtydog.com/s...

You can watch that and say you don't see a difference?

Fluchtpunkt3574d ago

its funny...because i bet most of the ppl on here cant tell the difference in movies shot on 24 fps / progressive vs. 50i (interlaced).... ;)

but all the 15yo say of course: 1080p is better....without knowing what the p realliy means haha

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere5h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN3h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos34m ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

PassNextquestion5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger3h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto4h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos4h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel4h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator3h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg6h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos6h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola1h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref10d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde10d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197210d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref10d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan10d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0079d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref10d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde10d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197210d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto10d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman10d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts10d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts9d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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