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The Framerate Debate

Thirty frames per second; that is the the framerate per second (FPS) that console gamers are accustomed to. On the PC on the other hand, framerates that dip to or below 30 are deemed unacceptable. Having a 30 FPS on the previous generation was something that most people were ok with. However, now with the release of the PlayStation 4 and the Xbox One, many gamers are feeling a bit disappointed that games on the PlayStation 4 and the Xbox One hardware are running at 30 FPS.

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JBSleek3574d ago

60 fps is a better gameplay experience than 30fps period.

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MysticStrummer3574d ago

Not really. Depends on the game.

JBSleek3574d ago

What?? Name a game that doesn't benefit from a higher frame rate?

Dudebro903574d ago

Every play Gears of War in 60 FPS on PC. Its far too fast.

Asuka3574d ago

Agreed. A good example is Dark Souls 2. Because of the way the engine works 60fps actually increases weapon degradation and hitboxes suffer as well. This is why weapons such as ultragreat swords degrade much faster on PC because technically the weapon is spending twice as much time colliding with objects causing it to degrade twice as fast. So lock fps to 30 to fix this

Spotie3574d ago

Candy Crush.

What do I win?

Seriously, for some games, it just doesn't matter.

clouds53574d ago

60fps is always the better experience. It's just way smoother. Look for 30 vs 60fps comparison on google...

For me there are certain games that require 60fps, like first person shooters or side scrollers - everything based on reflexes. And other games where it's nice to have but not required. Like slower paced adventure games, strategy games and stuff like that. RPGs.

What I find extremely funny as a PC gamer, for years consoleros told me that high quality textures and 1080p/60fps is just nice to have and not required to have fun etc etc. And now EVERY game needs to be 1080p/60fps or its crap. People are even hyped for rereleases of games like TLOU just because of higher fps/resolution! What I'm trying to say: on PC this stuff is included in EVERY game since 10 years. We always have high resolution and up to 120fps and YOU choose if you want it or not or if you're happy with medium textures and high fps or rather have 30 fps but ultra textures.
What you guys are hyping atm is stuff that is a standard for gamers since a looong time. So chill, it's not that big a deal.

clouds53574d ago

@dudebro/Lance lionheart: that is just lazy programming/lack of optimisation. If they would have targeted 60fps this wouldn't be an issue.

MysticStrummer3574d ago

@JBSleek - Chess.

I win.

; )

Like cloud said, slower paced adventure games, at least some strategy games.

Vegamyster3574d ago

The only games you could possibly argue are ones like Hard Rain or Beyond which are quick time event based gameplay, any game which requires you to move the camera around will indefinitely benefit from a higher framerate. The only person who would argue against this hasn't benefited from trying multiple genres of games with it, many games prior to the PS/N64 era were 60 fps.

memots3574d ago

60 fps is a better gameplay experience than 30fps period. < --- that is a fact but if the game is built and locked at 30fps and there is no detriment to the controls/gameplay then 30 is fine , Always

ABizzel13574d ago

@JBSleek

A cinematic Adventure games like Heavy Rain, The Walking Dead, and others IMO. I hate watching movies outside of their native 24fps, and for games similar to that I don't think having 60fps is a worthwhile improvement on something that's suppose to be "filmic".

Now I agree with you on just about any other genre.

BX813574d ago

@clouds5
Why would they need to target 60fps if it's not needed for that game?

Volkama3574d ago

@Abizzle it isn't the same as watching movies outside of native 24p at all. In that case you are watching a film with interpolated "made up" frames, and it is bad.

A game's native framerate is whatever it is running at, and 60fps is always absolutely better than 30fps (a bug in Dark Souls 2 doesn't change that).

Hving said that, 60fps still needs to be weighed up against the other things that could be achieved instead. There are definitely times where the resource is better spent elsewhere.

BitbyDeath3573d ago

COD: Ghosts.
If you do not remember PC and PS4 had over 60FPS when it had launched and this caused all sorts of frame issues with the game.

Honestly though the benefits of 60FPS are greatly exaggerated. Sure it may provide a slighlty smoother experience but nothing overly game changing.

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Silly gameAr3574d ago (Edited 3574d ago )

@JB sleek

No offense,but are you the new Sasuke? Have to be first on every article? No offense but not the route you should go.

Anyway, the framerate and resolution bs feels like when xbox 360 only owners ragged on ps3 owners about this last gen.

JBSleek3574d ago

It's not hard to be first you just look on the pending stories.

Also I am very careful what stories I comment on due to this site being very volatile to certain viewpoints.

combatcash3574d ago

A locked 60 fps frame rate is better than a locked 30 fps frame rate. However 30 locked vs 60 variable imo in most cases is better.

d3nworth13574d ago

Basically any game that doesn't require quick response time. Devil may cry vs Demon Souls. DMC is a much faster game so you would need a quick response time to react. Demon Souls is a slow paced game, both your character and the enemies are slow moving. So 60 fps wouldn't do anything to the gameplay. I played Assassin's Creed 2 on Ps3 30fps and PC 60fps. At 60fps the gameplay didn't feel any different. All it had was smoother looking animation.

MasterCornholio3574d ago

Pretty much. But in no way is a rock solid 30FPS a bad experience.

tee_bag2423574d ago

Agreed. Under 60fps is always better than 30fps. In 2014 every game should be this standard. To my surprise and disappointment with the new consoles, that's not the case.

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PurpHerbison3574d ago

How many of those games actually ran at 30FPS? Yes 60FPS is better but 30FPS isn't that bad if it is actually locked at 30. I can't tell you how many consoles games I played that were supposed to be 30FPS but averaged much lower than 30.

Ghost_Nappa3574d ago

Far cry 3, so.....much......tearing

Vegamyster3574d ago

Before i bought the PC version i picked up the 360 version during Boxing day, i don't recall a single reviewer mentioning how bad the framerate was on the console versions.

Ghost_Nappa3574d ago

@vegamyster reviews are idiots not to

TheFirstClassic3574d ago

Screen tearing on fc3 is awful. Had to trade it in, will get it on pc at some point.

Master-H3574d ago

Dragon Age Origins ps3, made me quit the game actually.

SilentNegotiator3574d ago

For the graphics and what went on, DA:O ran like crap on Ps3. Awful, awful optimization.

Master-H3574d ago

@SilentNegotiator i know right, the graphics looked straight up like ps2 era, but it wasn't a deal breaker, and i liked the game's story , dialogue system and everything but just couldn't stand the damn framerate fluctuations and screen tearing anymore, so i sold it after about 2 hours in.

memots3574d ago

i would say about 95% of game last gen were 30fps and people were not so L33t about it.

Its a combination of the entitle syndrome and the all or nothing mentality. Why was i fine to game at 30 fps for almost 8 full gen ( yes yes i am old and started on console on atari 2600 )

BattleAxe3574d ago

Exactly, just buy a PC or forever hold your peace.

PrinceOfAllSaiyans3574d ago

I really don't care about framerate at all. What I hate is people who say they aren't buying a ge just because it isn't 60fps. Me personally I still can't tell a difference.

dumahim3574d ago

Watch this. It's full 1080p/60fps and minimal compression.
Heed the warning below the video though, you need a fairly strong PC to run it flawlessly.

http://www.naughtydog.com/s...

You can watch that and say you don't see a difference?

Fluchtpunkt3574d ago

its funny...because i bet most of the ppl on here cant tell the difference in movies shot on 24 fps / progressive vs. 50i (interlaced).... ;)

but all the 15yo say of course: 1080p is better....without knowing what the p realliy means haha

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers3h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

z2g11m ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

H94m ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

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Xbox Is Not Your Friend

After laying off almost 2,000 people, Xbox finds itself in a position at odds with the community-first image it has cultivated for itself.

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TwoPicklesGood4h ago

lol I’m not a big MS gamer but Sony and a number of others have laid off ton of people as well. Where are the ridiculous articles about them not being your friend? Gaming news is such a joke and these sites wonder why they have to beg for money/patreons or flood with 5x more ads.

Profchaos3h ago

I think the sentiment is corporations are there to make money they are not out friends that are harsh and cutthroat when lt comes to the bottom line so why do we proclaim our love for any gaming company from the rooftops when they wouldn't care about us unless we are buying the next thing.

We need to beore objective with how we view these "teams"

Gridknac2h ago

This is the absolute truth. The only part of you these companies, ALL companies, want to be friends with is your bank account. They don't care what they have to say, who's job they have to cut, or what shady underhandedness they must engage in. Bottom line is all that matters.

Vits1h ago

Because people unfortunately make these companies and products part of their own persona, so when they are scrutinized, they see it as an attack on themselves. There is some neuropsychological research around this phenomenon, but it basically has the same effect as religion. It helps foster a sense of community that humans need to feel comfortable. So that is not happening unless we have a sudden surge of people actually understanding how they work and taking control of themselves.

Magatsuhi1h ago

While it's true Sony isn't a friend either, let's not pretend that they're even in the same ballpark as MS's anti consumer practices. Sony is not a friend but atleast they're not an enemy like MS.

derek2h ago

@twopickles, were you not paying attention? Sony was heavily criticized when they laid off people weeks ago, more than Microsoft did with their massive abk layoffs.

Gamingsince19811h ago

I want to know who thought Xbox was community first anyway lmfao

ChasterMies44m ago

That’s Whataboutism. Sony and other game companies didn’t pay more than $80B to buy up publishers. Microsoft said in court that it wasn’t going to have redundancies and fire people. Microsoft told Xbox owners that they would have a AAA on GamePass each quarter. But here we are with Microsoft Game Studios shrinking. Consolidation doesn’t benefit the consumer, and no company has consolidated more than Microsoft.

BehindTheRows40m ago(Edited 38m ago)

Exactly. They love their SonyToo instead of looking at everything in its totality. You spend $80B to buy up so many pubs/devs, you damn well should have something to show for it.

That said, this article is old and someone is clearly looking for clicks!

z2g9m ago

I’m glad you see the thru the reality distortion field so many on this site don’t. My brother-in-law was just let go from PlayStation (here in PV/LA) literally just weeks ago after taking the job just 2 months before. He quite his previous job that was doing just fine to work for Sony.

Christopher0m ago

I agree that every corporation is part of the problem, but bit perhaps in the future have more of an argument than a whatsboutism? It makes it sound like your only issue is that people are complaining about Microsoft.

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cthulhucultist2h ago

ok here is a reality check. Tech companies have been firing thousands of employees the last couple of years.

I find it odd that the percentage of employees sacked from MS

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"Microsoft announced approximately 1,900 job cuts across its gaming division, including Activision Blizzard, ZeniMax, and Xbox. 8.6% of its colossal 22,000-strong global workforce. "

is worth writing an article condemning the company, when Sony Interactive fired 8% of its workforce (900 people approximately).

https://news.crunchbase.com...

Is the writer concerned about the percentage of the workforce fired or the number of employees?

Lets not forget that Unity laid off 25 percent of its workforce (1800 people) and Discord laid off 17 percent of its employees.

You also have to take into account the AI issue reported in the article. MS is heavily invested in A.I. They have invested in Open A.I (chatgpt 4+Dalle 3), in Abu Dhabi’s G42 and in French AI company Mistral.

These LLMs have already replaced thousands of jobs as A.I usage becomes more common

https://www.cbsnews.com/new...
https://www.theverge.com/20...
https://tech.co/news/compan...

This is the new reality. Even nvidia CEO said that games will fully A.I generated.

https://www.pcgamer.com/sof...

Nevertheless, no company should be ever viewed as "your friend". MS had numerous anti consumer practices in place and the same is true for Sony (not only in video game space) and Nintendo (60$ dollar games without permanent discounts, remasters of 10 year old game with full price, no console price cuts, expensive joy cons which are prone to drift, to name but a few).

Popsicle2h ago

Must be. Thought it to be common knowledge that no corporation is your friend.

rippermcrip2h ago

Xbox had a community-first image? Since when?

shaenoide2h ago

Any given company is not "friendly"...

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere15h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN12h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos9h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN3h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo4h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies49m ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger12h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto14h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos13h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long10h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel13h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator12h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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