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Is Nintendo Pursuing a More Mature Audience?

One of the writers here at Nintendo Enthusiast talks about Nintendo's recent focus on bringing mature content to their home console. How do you feel about Nintendo funding and publishing mature games for the Wii U? Do you think it's a smart move for The Big N? Or do you believe Nintendo is after the wrong crowd?

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Concertoine3583d ago

Its just a return to gamecube days, they published Geist and Eternal Darkness back then and did a deal with capcom for those resident evil games.

They've already published more M-rated content this gen than last lol...

SirNintend03583d ago

It's a good sign as well. Not that "M" games are automatically good, but that they are now offering a better variety for everyone.

randomass1713582d ago

So were several Resident Evil games, No More Heroes and The Conduit.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory3582d ago

They own those. Not just published

Segata3582d ago

Nintendo had nothing to do with Madworld. Sega published Platinum developed.

They did publish/develop games like Disaster Day of Crisis which was full of cursing. Zankegi no Regionliev which is EDF in norse myth and the bloodiest Wii game,Samurai Warriors 3,Sin & Punishment,Pandoras Tower (forcing a girl to eat flesh of monsters to prevent her from turning into one) The last Story but the most surpising one was Captain Rainbow where one mission you have to prove Birdo is innocent of a crime by finding his dildo.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory3581d ago

@Ryudo9
I was referring to this "they published Geist and Eternal Darkness "
Not MadWorld

Shnazzyone3581d ago

what was the authors first tip? was it zombi u being a flag ship title at launch? how about an immediate introduction of the pro controller? How about courting team ninja for games? focus on tournament level improvements in smash? It's honestly nothing new. It's been the premise behind wii u for a while actually.

Activemessiah3582d ago

I remember when Madworld came out and newspapers gave them a lynching and screaming betrayal for releasing something for adults.

Summons753582d ago

Don't forget about Manhunt 2 which got pulled off shelves shortly after launch (Wii version)

bacrec13582d ago

That may still be the most violent game available.

jc485733582d ago

Gamers grow old, so even their tastes change.

jc485733582d ago

sigh...let me put it in other words. Tastes just keep on expanding.

CloudRap3582d ago (Edited 3582d ago )

its make it or break it for nintendo, release a console that can at least hold its own against x1/ps4 hardware wise, and get some real 3rd party support or wither away. If a fourth competitor joins the ring this gen or next, its over for nintendo.

voodoochild3463582d ago

No one anywhere in the world should listen to you.

thehobbyist3582d ago

Nintendo has profited every generation and with little third party support every generation.
Their hardware was actually the weakest(Wii) for their most profitable home console.
Also a fourth competitor exists(The Ouya) and it's basically a failure. Barely breaking even and constantly discounting it's price to sell.
Now tell me again, how is it make it or break it for Nintendo? Because really. 2013 was their worst year in decades and it only seems to be going up from here.
2 million copies of MK8 in less than a month. WiiU sales quadrupling and it's outselling PS4 in Japan.
Your argument is grasping at straws.

InTheLab3582d ago

It is a myth that Nintendo made a profit on the GC and N64 that continues to spread by way of plain old ignorance and fanboyism.

Nintendo's first loss in over 30 years was due to the poor performance of the Gamecube. What saved them that gen was the Gameboy Advance. They made a profit during that era solely based on their handhelds.

Now where the confusion comes into play is the fact that 3 years after the launch of the GC, they finally made some money on it thanks to cheaper parts despite the insane number of price cuts.

Now, the reason why selling a console for more than it cost to produce does not equal a profitable console is how long it took to become profitable and the amount of stock they were unable to sell. So Gamecubes were returned from retailers and Nintendo made millions more consoles than they were able to sell.

With all of thoses gamecubes floating about, there is no way they made a ROI because they never hit the break even point.

Again, Nintendo was profitable during that generation because of their handhelds. It's the exact same story for the N64 only N was not able to recycle unused parts for their next console.

As for them needing or not needing 3rd party support, that's just flat out stupid. If Mario and all the games they slap him in is enough to sustain you for the next 3 or 5 years good for you....but most gamers will stay away from the WiiU or make it a companion console and that should not be Nintendo's goal and you shouldn't be cheering on "just enough to get by".

jholden32493582d ago (Edited 3582d ago )

Lol, your entire statement is one, big logical fallicy.

Nintendo hasn't had "real 3rd party support" in 20 years. This isn't anything new. In fact, I think the Wii U has had MORE "real 3rd party support" than any Nintendo console in the last 3 generations. Logical fallicy number one.

And Nintendo doesn't make games for the same type of gamer as PS4 and Xbox One. They make a different KIND of game, and a different gaming experience altogether. A fourth competitor wont' touch Nintendo's marketshare, unless they do what Nintendo does and can do it better (highly doubt that). A fourth competitor will pretty much just eat Sony and MS marketshare. They're different kinds of games aimed at different kinds of people. Logical fallicy number two.

Nintendo has the highest selling gaming device in the world right now (3DS) and the Wii U is the number one selling home console in Japan, and has been ever since the launch of the PS4. It is also the 3rd best selling gaming device in the US. And Nintendo has what, like 16 billion in cash and assets? So no, it's not "make it or break it" time for Nintendo. Logical fallacy number three.

Lastly, the audience Nintendo is targeting is not gung-ho about having the most powerful console. Nintendo targets gamers that just want fun games. Of course they want the games to look good, but Wii U games DO look good. REAL good. No gamer is going to be playing Mario Kart 8 and say "ya know, I WOULD be enjoying this game if only I could see the poors on Mario's face". Nintendo targets gamers who just want fun games that look good enough to not detract from the experience, all at a solid price point (beside the fact Yoshi's Wooly World looks just as good, IF NOT BETTER than Little Big Planet 3). The difference in power is negligible for the types of games on Nintendo's hardware. Logical fallacy number four.

And in response to InTheLab:

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
ZombiU
Pikmin 3
Xenoblade Chronicles X
Sonic Lost World
Wonderful 101
Zelda Windwaker HD
Lego City Undercover
Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze
Wii Sports Club
Sonic Boom
Hyrule Warriors
Bayonetta 2
Pushmo World
Smash Bros
Captain Toad
Splatoon
Yoshi's Wooly World
Kirby Rainbow Curse
Star Fox
Devil's Third
Zelda U
SMT x Fire Emblem

All exclusive games. Not one of them has "Mario" in the title, and this is what we know about at 18 months in. Imagine the span of non-Mario exclusives after the full 6 years has passed. If it truly were JUST Mario games on Wii U, then no, it wouldn't be enough to sustain me. But when you couple the huge Mario universe of games like NSMB series, 3D Mario series, Mario Kart, Mario Party, and the Mario Sports games (which are all top-shelf btw) with all the games mentioned above (and we're only 25% through the Wii U's lifespan), AND the occasional multiplat like Sonic Racing, Rayman Legends and Watch Dogs, you get a pretty hefty span of games, most of which are exclusive. Which is MORE than enough to sustain me.

Granted, I own all 5 consoles and handhelds just because I like cherry picking the best of each, but if I wanted to I could very much game on Nintendo alone. Don't be ignorant. And who gives a flute if they're profitable? Seriously, that's fanboy fodder right there. Shut up and play games.

Geekman3582d ago

They're yelling to their old fans who grew out of Mario.

"YO! GET YO STUPID 'I'M TOO MATURE FOR E RATED GAMES' BUTT BACK HERE!"

thehobbyist3582d ago

I wonder if those "Mature" adults realize the E rating means E for EVERYONE(Key word here, it's pretty important).

Spotie3582d ago

Except those E games don't typically cover the same sorts of themes that M games do.

Can you think of a way to make an E rated Persona that still has the same depth? I can't.

Nintendo would, traditionally, pass up on such a title. If they're changing that, I can only see it as a good thing.

deafdani3582d ago

I hope ypu realize that your assumption against people that prefer "mature" games is just as bad as the assumption that only kids play Nintendo games. You criticize them for supposedly being on one extreme, but then you fall on the other extreme.

-.-

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1015d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref5d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde5d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19725d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville5d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21834d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos4d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai5d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref5d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan5d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0074d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19725d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19725d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref5d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde5d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19725d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19725d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier4d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto5d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21834d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto4d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman5d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts5d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts4d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic4d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel12d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger8811d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing11d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS10d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder10d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff218310d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.