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Phil Spencer: DirectX12 Not a "Massive Change" For Xbox One; Explains 1st Party Studios Expectations

Xbox Head Honcho Phil Spencer gave a realistic assessments of what you can expect from DirectX 12 on Xbox One, and about his expectations from first party studios as opposed to third parties.

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ErcsYou3595d ago

Phil just crushed somebody's dreams. Lol

xHeavYx3595d ago (Edited 3595d ago )

Pretty much what everyone else who's not an Xbox fan has been saying

truefan13595d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

No that is false, Xb1 fans haven't really mentioned DX12 that much. You can search all my comments related to DX12, and you won't find one comment saying it will double XB1 performance. I did say it will be nice to have a 50% more efficient CPU, which is still unverified. And I got that information from the slides of that GDC conference earlier this year.

It's pretty funny this statement will mean more to ps4 fans than Xb1 fans. Don't believe look at the main ones commenting saying this will shut xbots up. lol Matter of fact there are only about 5 or 6 true XB1 fans on this site, so really where are all these xbots commenting talking about the cloud and dx12.

@LeBruset that was a poor attempt to call me out, keep searching. In you 2 quotes where do I mention how well DX12 will help. i just found it odd an opposing developer cared so much. As for your deal, we need to sweeten the pot a bit, if you can get a couple more of your ps4 buddies like Kingthrash, New Monday, Lukas, and Heavy to join in it's a DEAL. I'm Kind of a big deal on these gaming blogs, TRUEFAN is a worldwide name now, whether you like me or hate me.

@LeBruset it's starting to look sad that you are still trying. Keep on searching though, I'm sure I slipped up once. I basically control you, if I can get under your skin that much. It really shouldn't mean that much to you, video games are just toys.

@LeBruset stop proving my point, look at all the research you are doing. PS I never said you shouldn't have fun commenting on your hobby, which is what I do. You are clearly irritated. I get personal messages all the time, but I think it's funny people get so upset. Nothing said on this site could make me go out of my way to privately message someone lol. Not saying you have messaged me, but you keep researching trying to find some ammo. Let it go man.

hello123595d ago

Ready the actual tweet.

Person who asked. This might be random but will dx12 be a game changer for xbox one????? And how? why ?

Phil@ It will help developers on XBOX One. It's not going to be a massive change but will unlock more capability for devs

Phil confirms it is for x box something Sony fans deny on N4G all the time.

Hes wording massive. It still going to be good for xb1.

Directx12 unlock more capability for devs.

So the API is going to help out the xb1.

LackaJaKane3595d ago (Edited 3595d ago )

Yeah, and he just fulfilled everyone else who's not an xbox fan dream with that statement.

they're all probably high-fiving eachother.

Audiggity3595d ago

Or not... Good attempt at igniting yet another pointless console flame war.

Anyone who thought DX12 would bring massive, game changing enhancements to the X1 is just, not very intelligent. Hardware is hardware. There is no magic here.

Eonjay3595d ago

To be honest, Microsoft has been very honest from the beginning. You have to listen to what they say and block out others. One of the system architects at Microsoft explained it a long time ago and people wouldn't listen. DX12 brings some of the advantages from consoles to PC. It also has an advantage of making cross platform development ubiquitous across Xbox One and PC. The major benefit is its ability to get better results from modern multicore CPUs much in a way that the Xbox is doing now.

People were claiming miracles would occur but that is not what they said. They even gave a demo showing how DX12 was more efficient than DX11 with CPU time.

I seriously fail to see how Microsoft misled anyone.

MEGANE3595d ago

@truefan. Do u really think some one here is gonna waste time looking at u comment history!(BTW is must be very short with one lonely bubble).
I am actually surprise I took the time to replay to ur comment.

Pogmathoin3595d ago (Edited 3595d ago )

'Pretty much what everyone else who's not an Xbox fan has been saying.'

Pretty much they are the only ones that ever commented on it.... Half the time the 'non' xbox fans would even post the story and then comment first, too excited like a fat kid who found a smartie.

@ megane, well, its better than those with 10 bubbles, with 10 times the trolling BS.

Eonjay3595d ago

The only person who got crushed was MisterX.
For the second time by Phil himself.
I think people like that make Phil's job more difficult but promising things that are irrational and unrealistic.

tuglu_pati3595d ago

Its great that Phil is upfront with this. I like the fact that he's been honest.

GarrusVakarian3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

Woah! Am i suddenly in a different universe? I can't believe what im reading here from some people....

You guys were saying for months how much of a game changer DX12 was for the X1, how you can have the audacity to sit there and act all humble and move the goalposts in an attempt to redirect any shame from themselves is pitiful. You guys acted like DX12 was the absolutely saving grace for the X1, and that the power increase would be HUGE.

I hate to say i told you so, but i did tell you so. I said again and again that DX12 wouldn't have as much impact as people were hoping for, that it was mainly for the benefit of PC's, and that pinning all your hopes onto it was just setting up yourselves for disappointment. And any time someone chose to doubt DX12, or question it in *any* way, like i did, we got labelled as trolls and downplayers.

@KNWS

"Phil confirms it is for x box something Sony fans deny on N4G all the time. "

Hahaha....what? Stop moving the goalposts, no one said that. I heard many people say that it would benefit PC much more than the X1, never did i see someone say DX12 wasn't for Xbox, everyone and their dog knows that the 'X' in 'Xbox' is because of Direct X. Stop making things up, because you are one of the guys who thought DX12 would be a game changer, don't make me show people the PM's i have from you about DX12.

"It's not going to be a massive change"

That part of the quote goes directly against what ive been hearing from Xbox fanboys for the past few months. Maybe this will be a lesson learned about counting your chickens (and bragging about them) before they have hatched? Probably not.....

AngelicIceDiamond3594d ago

So it won't help the X1 in a massive way. But it will benefit the X1 regardless.

That's good to know.

What's also good to know is that this DX12 argument should be put to rest finally.

4Sh0w3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

No, check my posts, like most X1 fans I've always said DX12 is just another tool/asset, plus many more to come that will improve X1 over the years which is typical of how ALL consoles/software works, all the secret sauce talk is from that mister guy and ps fanboys who hope X1 doesnt constantly improve. lol, which is so silly, I mean micro is a software giant so you would expect them to QUICKLY build better tools, SDK'S to improve their platform.

-Tell 'em Phil:

"It will help developers on Xbox One. It's NOT going to be a massive change BUT will unlock more capability for devs."

"I don't think it's about a specific genre, more about creating exclusive franchises, taking some risks 3rd parties might not take." -Phil Spencer

Phil is doing a great job, it's ambitious but realistic talk like this that I enjoy.

Kingthrash3603594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

Check my previous comments....I've been saying that since February.
Hardware is hardware. Software helps but its not gunna "even" things out.
Truefan ..lol. OK whatever man.

Saigon3594d ago

@Eonjay

You are right they did not, but every developer and wanna-be-developer said other wise. +b. That is the reason why the DX12 message is scrambled. Its good that MS has said something confirming what some of us already knew but it still does not change the fact that some still think there is some secret sauce. So I guess the next thing we will here for a while until confirmation is that the cloud will make a difference once Crackdown 3 is shown using the tech.

LeCreuset3594d ago

@truefan1

"Matter of fact there are only about 5 or 6 true XB1 fans on this site, so really where are all these xbots commenting talking about the cloud and dx12."

And just what is your extreme standard for judging someone a true XB1 fan? Is it making extreme and hyperbolic statements like you engage in?

You engage in illogical hyperbole routinely and refuse to be accountable for it. That's pretty disingenuous to challenge people to find in your comment history where you said that DX12 will double XB1 performance. xHeavYx didn't imply, directly or indirectly, that anyone did. What was being called out was the illogical hyping of DX12, and hyping is something you and others are quite guilty of. Kind of like when you said XB1 won't lose to PS4 more than 2/7 months from June on. So speaking of challenges and being accountable for outlandish statements, I'm still awaiting your response.

http://n4g.com/user/useract...

IVanSpinal3594d ago

Maybe Xbox Fanboys, but fans?
Stupid fanboys war

ziggurcat3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

@truefan1:

"No that is false, Xb1 fans haven't really mentioned DX12 that much."

*cough*BS*cough* you, out of everyone here, have consistently yammered on about DX12 ever since they announced it...

This just confirms what everyone who isn't deluded have been saying for months now - that it won't benefit xbone as much as PC. And it comes from your saviour, too.

Despite being proven wrong (again), you continue to move those goalposts, and try to pin the blame for the false hope of DX12's impact on playstation fans? Wow...

I'm looking forward to whoever it is to post every single comment you've made talking about an exponential increase in performance because of DX12.

Kayant3594d ago

@Eonjay

"I seriously fail to see how Microsoft misled anyone." - Yep it was the fact someone people were going with this misleading article http://n4g.com/news/1487034...
and the PC benchmark here comparing PC DX11 to PC DX12 "Tested on GIGABYTE BRIX Pro (Intel Core i7-4770R + Iris Pro Graphics 5200)" that people got the up to 50% improvement when MS has never hinted at that metric for XB1 none does it make that much sense looking the the low-end multi-core processors in both consoles.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dir...

alexkoepp3594d ago

Xbox has been steadily closing the gap between the systems when you look at current multiplatforms compared to launch ones. Even just a little performance boost from DX12 is going to close that gap completely or put X1 ahead.

xHeavYx3594d ago

@Alex
Wishful thinking much?

spacecat50503594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

It truly was the sony fanboys making it a bigger deal than it was. No one said DX12 would make the x1 more powerful. Xbox fans and fanboys said it would make development easier and improve design.

Sony fanboys kept going on and on about how dx12 wouldnt do anything while misquoting fans about how dx12 was a saving grace. There is no doubt Xbox One was built with DX12 in mind and I am positive developers will be happy once they get their hands on it for making xbox games.

Edit:
I love how the sony fanboys are having a party in this artcile. Stay classy guys.

LeCreuset3594d ago

@alex

I would pretend to be amazed at your comment, but I talked to a couple of XB1 owners over the weekend that actually believed the XB1 is already ahead of the PS4, even in sales.

@Truefan

Remember when Naughty Dog tried to warn about hyping DX12 for XB1 to unrealistic levels and you responded with:

"ND must be threatened to issue this statement, especially saying pure marketing hyperbole. He sounds like all of you, this must be pre June 2nd damage control. Also sony execs sure worry alot about what MSFT is doing, saying DX12 will do nothing and planning a reactionary E3.

"This guy must be privileged to get access to DX12 this early lol. This damage control excites me, because if it was nothing the ICE TEAM wouldn't care. #1.1.4"

http://n4g.com/comments/red...

MysticStrummer3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

@truefan - "Xb1 fans haven't really mentioned DX12 that much"

Holy **** did I just read that???????????????????

Edit - Nice job johndoe. I wasn't going to bother, but that's a good representative sample. People who disagreed with statements like those were labeled trolls and haters. "Fear" was another word being thrown around if someone was sensible enough to argue with that crap.

LeCreuset3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

@truefan1

The call out demonstrated exactly what it was meant to: that you are immune to reason and prone to illogical statements. Not only could you not accept what Naughty Dog was saying about DX12, but you went so far as to insist that they were afraid. Yet, do you take any accountability for being proven wrong, again? Nope.

As for that deal, let's inject some reality. You have one, well deserved, bubble. I have five. Going by that, I already have more to lose than you. Now you want to involve others as well,including Lukas with his 10 bubbles? That's up to them whether they want to get in on that action, if they want to demand some of your ilk get in on it too, or whatever. The only thing in our control is you and I accepting the deal. So man up and stop trying to hide behind ridiculous conditions that are beyond my lone ability to consent to. Have some accountability for what you said, since you were so sure of it.

Btw, I hope Phil has now made clear to you the "true power of DX12."

"I hope June 2nd they reveal the true power of DX12 and show what the XB1 can do. I just refuse to believe MSFT spent all that money on a customized GRU for nothing."

http://n4g.com/comments/red...

"Say what you want, but the ps4 is already getting maxed out. It has essentially peaked and if you noticed their first party games are running 30fps, infamous, drive club, and the order. XB1 had been more frame rate focused and is expected to get better with DX12. XB1 already has a faster CPU, and a 50% utilization reduction could be huge. For all that 50% more powerful ultra computer, not one game has even looked 5% better.

"For XB1 There Is just so much potential with titled resources using the esRAM and cloud computing. I'll take the jokes in the now, but by time Halo comes out you will see the complete package and see which was built for the future. Maybe even Remedy will be the first compete package by year end.

"PS boyd said near future, E3 perhaps, I have a feeling some "cloud" "DX12" presentations are in order for the biggest gaming stage. MSFT leadership knows what's at stake, they know the skepticism, they are just putting it on people's radar."

http://n4g.com/comments/red...

"Don't be mad at him, he is just mad the ps4 has already peaked, what you see is what you get. What has been said about DX12 scares him."

" http://n4g.com/comments/red...

johndoe112113594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

@truefan1

Alexxkoepp – “DX12 is going to be a game changer.” http://n4g.com/news/1512546...

Georgenoob - “you just can't deny the huge leap in performance it will bring.” http://n4g.com/news/1512546...

Morepowerofgreen – “DX12 could allow XB1 to do things no other console can hope to achieve” http://n4g.com/news/1512546...

KNWS - directx12 full features will be coming to xb1 http://n4g.com/news/1532306...

Lifeisgamesok - Directx 12 and by what Nvidia, Intel, and AMD are saying will be one of the biggest tech advances in some time http://n4g.com/news/1495045...

A lot more i can post but I'm too damn lazy to do all that writing.

Wh15ky3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

How on earth does truefan get a "well said" for that drivel. Who should be banned for the amount of flaming lies he just spewed

xHeavYx3594d ago

@Wh15ky
What I'm going to say are not facts, just assumptions, but if there was a mod who liked Xbox more than PS, and if that mod were to rate a comment by, let's just say, Truefan, it would automatically show as "Well Said"

Wh15ky3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

Thanks heavy, I always wondered about that as there are quite often some very dubious "well said" and "intelligent" comments. Does he not get another bubble now though?

MightyNoX3594d ago

@Heavy: I've suspected this for a while, thanks for giving this theory some credence (the 'well said' theory, I mean)

@John Doe: Excellent research, my good man.

LeCreuset3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

@truefan1

"it's starting to look sad that you are still trying. Keep on searching though, I'm sure I slipped up once. I basically control you, if I can get under your skin that much. It really shouldn't mean that much to you, video games are just toys."

I don't need to keep trying. Herb Dean has already jumped in to stop the fight. It really wasn't difficult. You provide a lot of material, which I just copied and pasted in the rest period between bench press sets. I guess my holding you accountable is getting to you, as you've gone from trying to pretend my comments don't exist to laughably trying to dodge that challenge by trying to involve people that had nothing to do with the claims you made directly to me, while delusionally referring to yourself as a world brand. And you're obviously keeping that one post of yours alive to be edited so you can respond, so that's a fail for your attempt at reverse psychology to get me to back off of criticizing your hyperbole. Oh, and thanks for the ammo:

"I basically control you, if I can get under your skin that much. It really shouldn't mean that much to you, video games are just toys."

My account — The only one I have ever had. Can you say the same? — with 5 bubbles, has 831 comments, including this one. You, with one bubble, have 710 comments, which doesn't take into account the edits you use to get the most out of that bubble. I've gone months without commenting, outside of the giveaways where I simply typed an ellipses to be eligible. How about you? Can you even say you've gone a week? A day (Bans don't count.)? Here's another stat for you: My join date is 21 May 2013. Yours is 06 Jan 2014. Your account is 7 months and some change newer than mine, mine has 5 bubbles vs your 1, yet you are already at 710 comments — NOT COUNTING YOUR EDITS! — versus my 831. Goodnes, Truefan1. It really shouldn't mean that much to you. Video games are just toys.

Volkama3594d ago

One of those articles that makes you wish N4G had a better searching tool, so you could pull up certain users' comments that mention Dx12.

Or maybe that would just cause things to get out of hand. Not many people like to be shamed :)

Wh15ky3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

@truefan1

Wow! Comment 3hrs ago, last edited 12mins ago.

Still keeping this comment alive after 3 hrs!

You may as well be PMing him, he's obviously managed to get "under your skin that much", why else would you keep your comment editable?

Eonjay3594d ago

@truefan1

How embarrassing. Have some dignity.

choujij3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

I think I'm starting to like Phil. He just made a ton of Xbox fanboys eat crow.

pyramidshead3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

you know full well that this article has crushed lots of xbox fanboys dreams when truefan1 is the 3rd comment down and it's almost the size of an essay excusing everything away. Fantastic! :P

MRMagoo1233594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

Everyone but hardcore misterxmedia fans and the delusional xbone fans on here knew this, the whole point in dx12 is to make pc gaming as efficient as console gaming, who ever thought it would do much for console is just stupid.

@LeCreuset and johndoe11211

LMFAO you guys ate the troll alive.

GiggMan3594d ago

Oh my god this this whole reply thread is hilarious!

dantesparda3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

You MS fanboys are right, Phil is an alright guy. He just squashed the delusions/beliefs of all you MS fanboys. We've been telling you this all along.
And I love how Truefan thinks he's a big name, but doesn't realize that people know him for being a big joke.

SilentNegotiator3594d ago

Quick, my X-brethren! Help me move these goal posts before it's too late!!

"Graphics don't matter!"
"The Kinect changes and cloud will be enough to bridge the gap!"

Whew! That was close!

imt5583594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

Lol MisterXmedia! Just lol!

http://i.imgur.com/vECyKnZ....

@LeCreuset & johndoe

Well, well done. I just wrote similar shit in post bellow and get lots of disagree votes.

UltraNova3594d ago

@truefan

You really have to learn when to back off, especially when your are full of shit.

We all read the comments about the second coming aka direct x 12 and the cloud both of which turned out to be 'of some help' and dedicated servers respectively.

Trying to downplay your blind reaction/support on both those xbox1 'upgrades' (both officially debunked) is embarrassing to you and all Xbox supporters out there.

Just be quite for a change.

fr0sty3594d ago

lol, truefanboy got owned.. repeatedly. I almost feel bad for them... but I don't.

XBOTTOX3594d ago

Not really, he didn't even mention anything in regards to power or performance. He said it wouldn't be a big change, and im sure he was referencing the API for developers.

But ofcourse this is n4g and this thread is already nearly 200 posts deep. Let the fanboys revel in their victory lol

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Abriael3595d ago

He's being honest and realistic, which is what some people tend not to be. Gotta love that.

Remember the dude (which is actually a developer) that said it's gonna double the power of the GPU?

Ausbo3595d ago

I dont think that developer had access to it yet. He spoke too soon.

Abriael3595d ago

@ausbo: The funny thing is that he seems to be developing a demo for it.

Eonjay3595d ago

Well, their word should have been taken for a grain of salt. Officially, Microsoft never made those exaggerated claims. But by the same token, we have to trust Phil when he says that the Kinect reserve will boost performance, which also seems realistic on a per title basis.

sinspirit3594d ago

I've been saying the same thing for weeks. Consoles already have that "to the metal" aspect that DX12 is trying to bring to PC.

So glad someone finally cleared it up. Nothing like having a good chuckle at all the people that argued self imagined misconceptions about how this was going to work and then being shot down by their own favored company.

I just hope they take advantage of DX12 and start porting some games over to PC, even if it's a year after the console release. My most anticipated game is a new Fable, but not the Fable Legends spin-off, I want a story-oriented one like before and I want it to really have passion put into it.

Volkama3594d ago

The whole "makes xbox 50% more powerful!" claim stemmed from a ****ty gamingbolt article that stuck some slides from a presentation together without the correct context. It was never actually what Microsoft said.

Aussiebeachbabe3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

Abriael we know dx12 is not going to double the performance but I can guarantee that it will increase the performance by at least 15-20%. So it is great news anyway.

MRMagoo1233594d ago

@aussibadger

If you really think its gonna be anywhere near a 15% increase you need to see a DR, the xbone will at most get a 5% increase, its an update that basically just does what the xbone already does, nothing new, all it does is help pcs be as efficient as consoles when programming software for it.

Bigpappy3594d ago

Taking risk can usually includes financial risk. Most indies can not afford to showcase the full ambition of their intended design.

What Phil has done hear is quail the expectations of some fans who may have expected DX12 to blow PS4 away performance wise. But he still leaves open that fact that improvements are to be expected.

@Eonjay: good sensible commenting. So many people here go out of their way to tray an insult or degrade other because of their choice of a GAMING console. So what if a few X1 fans had high hopes for DX12. They are not the developer and are getting info enforces those excitements.

Boy will be boys though and of course this is going to be used by many to say X1 is trash and will remain trash. But it is not trash and is already performing even better in upcoming games.

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Am-No-Hero3595d ago

I've told some fanboys that but they did not listen to me lol

Good job Phil you just Smashed hopes lol

BallsEye3595d ago

Big changes are not massive changes. They've already demoed big changes that dx12 brings . Massive would be achieving graphic level of Blizzard's CGIs which is ridiculous to even think of. 30% boost? Sure. They've already showed 50% boost in cpu load on PC thanks to dx12 and that's what we should expect. That's still pretty big, especially for a console like XBOX ONE where you can snap browser/videos/skype calls and whatever else in the bg. That's CPU heavy.

Nekroo913595d ago

do you even understand how Dx 12 works for pc?! Phil Spencer "console like API" its going to reduce the latency from cpu to gpu. its going to be huge for pc but almost nothing for console because they are built with that in mind

XiSasukeUchiha3595d ago

Phil basically prove to everybody that DX12 won't magically powerup but just give it a boost.

tgunzz3594d ago

Phil Spencer is a pretty smart fella indeed.... DX12 impact on xb1 is going to interesting.

AngelicIceDiamond3595d ago

So it will be a standard boost for X1. Meaning X1 will still benefit from it in some way.

I'm glad Phil's honest and isn't giving us a PR circle now we can move along.

choujij3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

"So it will be a standard boost for X1."

What exactly is a standard boost?

"Meaning X1 will still benefit from it in some way."

Yeah, the main benefit for Xbone, is that it will help Xbone developers port games from PC (and vice versa).

rainslacker3594d ago

The boost comes from better allocation of the memory bus/controller and better overall use of processing threads within the APU itself. DX12 gives developers API's to do such abilities as routine things, instead of having to make up workarounds to get it to work.

I explained it in detail once a while back(can't find the comment now) and got a lot of disagrees, even though I was saying it would improve things some. Probably because I said there's no way those things would add up to doubling X1's processing power...which was the current assumption at the time.

Otherwise, this was good of Phil to clear the air about. Seen way too many assumptions on this subject, and way too much hyperbole while I was at it. It's never a good thing to set the customers expectations to an unachievable level, which was done more by a few very passionate Xbox fans.

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corvusmd3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

Not really...EVERYONE has been saying this same thing. The only people saying otherwise is really just PS fanboys trying to build a strawman argument...and a few Xbox Fanboys...other than that everyone else was being much more realistic. Please stop making up arguments to try and make others look stupid for things they haven't said.

Everytime DX12 comes up we are reminded that X1 already has a low level API...we all know this, and the advantage will be more about tools that it can give devs...everyone with half a brain has been saying this as soon as it was revealed.

Every little bit helps, I just hope that is makes using the ESRAM much easier for Devs to take advantage of, that's what I've more so been concerned with the whole time. Either way, it's already looking like with the June SDK, there is less need for a "massive" boost in performance.

@skydragoon To be fair..the "delusional arguments" have always been from the PS4 side of the camp on this issue. I keep hearing Sony fans say that Xbots are saying this will change the world, but I typically only see Xbox Fans saying that it will help, but it's more about giving tools.

johndoe112113594d ago

Alexxkoepp – “DX12 is going to be a game changer.” http://n4g.com/news/1512546...

Georgenoob - “you just can't deny the huge leap in performance it will bring.” http://n4g.com/news/1512546...

Morepowerofgreen – “DX12 could allow XB1 to do things no other console can hope to achieve” http://n4g.com/news/1512546...

KNWS - directx12 full features will be coming to xb1 http://n4g.com/news/1532306...

Lifeisgamesok - Directx 12 and by what Nvidia, Intel, and AMD are saying will be one of the biggest tech advances in some time http://n4g.com/news/1495045...

MysticStrummer3594d ago

"EVERYONE has been saying this same thing"

Come on man…

You're on N4G enough to know that isn't true.

MasterCornholio3594d ago

@John

Holy crap. You just owned the biggest Xbox Fans on N4G plus you made them look like a bunch of fools in the process by using their Idol against them.

The Xbox fans that I respect should do something about them because they are only ruining the image of Xbox One owners.

MightyNoX3594d ago

@Johndoe: Giving you another bubble, just because~

pyramidshead3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

I implore anyone who is anyone to screen cap @johndoe11211 for future ownage of said users that are mentioned in his comment.

Truly a sight to see and now we have all resident xbox fanboys now denying that they were even banking on DX12 being a massive game changer.

Holy lord this is a fun day on N4g. The hypocrisy is flowing green today!

edit: Corvusmd you just got served sir.

Volkama3594d ago

@MasterCornholio "The Xbox fans that I respect should do something about them because they are only ruining the image of Xbox One owners."

Do something like what? I have yet to find an exorcist that is up to the task.

Volkama3594d ago

Oh and for what it's worth, Corvus didn't "get served" there. Right at the start of the comment he acknowledges some XBox fanboys have been saying it:

"The only people saying otherwise is really just PS fanboys trying to build a strawman argument...and a few Xbox Fanboys..."

Why did N4G get rid of the old "open zone" anyway?

kenshiro1003594d ago

You keep digging that hole there.

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Magicite3594d ago

truefan1 is always there behind the corner ready to defend exbucks

rainslacker3594d ago

Revisionist history usually goes to the victor.

I'll give him props for trying though.

Guwapo773594d ago

We've been saying this since it was announced. You've won brownie points with me bud and earned my respect for your integrity. Thank you Phil!

assdan3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

Well, it's nice to finally see confirmation that everyone who wasn't an xbox was right. But I'm sure that xbots will say he's wrong. Maybe they'll try to say he isn't a programmer or something funny like that.
And I almost forgot to say this! Phil spencer further proves why he's the only one I like at xbox.

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showtimefolks3594d ago

we all knew this but some xbox fansboys were in full denial mode just like they are about cloud stuff

these consoles are what they are and ps4 is a bit stronger than xbox one, nothing will change that. But that doesn't mean games on xbox one will be bad by any means. It will just take few years for developers to get use to both ps4 and xbox one, and also to know how to utilize the ps4 and xbox one to their strengths

I am liking phil spencer, no mixed messages anymore. Just a straight shooter. Also he took a picture with Uncle Jack Tretton so i kind of like him lol

slivery3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

Not like everyone with common sense didn't see this coming miles away. Just like every other delusional dream that has been put to rest about the Xbox One.

I have said this for ages, I won't act like Microsoft hasn't mislead people in the past but a huge majority of this misinformation is completely due to most their delusional fanbase who can't accept for the life of them what their console actually is.

Now I can add yet another dream to my list of those crushed. /s

Really not that rewarding though in all honesty, most the time I seriously feel bad for how deluded some of these people here on N4G are. I won't specifically single out Xbox fans only because it happens from ever side of the fence.

I just honestly question how some of these people even make it through life, I guess it's too easy these days to stay alive. No more natural selection to weed out the morons.

Had to edit this and add what I think is a important ending note. Although I have had my trouble with Phil in the past, I gained a huge amount of respect for him right now, just for being completely honest about this.

If this continues, who knows just maybe I might actually be a bit more trusting of the Xbox brand. My lack of trust in Microsoft in general has always been the problem, I don't dislike their games, I never disliked their consoles either, I was heavy into the 360 but that is when they lost every bit of trust I had in them.

So this type of honesty is very refreshing.

r1sh123594d ago

LOL>..
people really need to have more perspective, Yes DX12 will improve X1 - by how much?
10-15%?

So if we take the 10% unlocked from the removal of kinect, and add the 10-15% of the DX12 update it should hopefully get it closer to the PS4...
How much closer to the PS4?
Only real results will tell, from all my technical reading it will significantly close the gap, but I reckon the PS4 will still have a slight performance edge.

Any progress with either console is good progress, I understand many people will want to defend their console and really shovel it to X1 adopters, but both consoles have very similar parts and different architectures.

jessupj3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

I've always had a wait and see approach for directx12, but I have suspected that it wouldn't make a huge difference to the xbone.

I really have to admire Phil's honesty. It's just so refreshing to see. Instead of beating round the bush and dodging the question, he came right out and told the truth.

4 months ago I would have fell on the floor laughing if someone told me a MS executive was capable of such honesty and integrity.

ChickeyCantor3594d ago

DX12 was mostly meant to provide low level access on pc's. Developers on consoles already have that low level api.

He isn't being "honest" in that regard. He is just saying what was rather obvious.

ChickeyCantor3594d ago

DX12/Mantle were mostly targetted for PC. Whoever hyped it for the xbox is an idiot.

otherZinc3594d ago (Edited 3594d ago )

@Lukas_Japonicus,

It's still going to make a difference. Not "a massive difference".

M$ doesn't need much, as they have "The Only 1080p 60fps" "Next Gen Console Game On The Market" in Forza Motorsport 5, Period!

Forza Motorsport 5 is "ONLY" on a next generation console. You can't find Forza Motorsport 5 on the PS3, 360, or Wii.

Maybe SONY should get something like "Direct P4-13" to give the PS4 a small boost in performance of about 5-15% (not a "massive boost") to help Drive Club reach 1080p 60fps like Forza Motorsport 5.
OR
Help Drive Club (exclusive for PS4) add weather effects at launch instead of a post launch patch...especially after a year delay! You know, like Forza Horizon 2 has right now, delivering an open world with weather at launch.

Also, "Direct P4-13" may help Drive Club get rid of those invisible walls we had with the Atari 2600. Forza Horizon 2 doesn't have invisible walls & that's without Direct X 12.

kenshiro1003594d ago

Gee Phil, what a way to crush a typical XBox fanboy's wet dream of Direct X12...

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mrpsychoticstalker3595d ago

PHIL for president, the future of Xbox is in great hands!

DoubleM703594d ago

Yup! Keep telling the truth. It's Marathon not a sprint. I been enjoying my Xbox tremendously thanks Phil.

madjedi3594d ago

Funny that has been sony's stance since the ps3 launched.

JCOLE131953595d ago (Edited 3595d ago )

Glad he's being honest and realistic about it. I wasn't expecting massive gains from it either, but it's good that he still says it'll help devs by giving them more capabilities. We'll just have to wait and see. Good news nonetheless.

christocolus3594d ago

You are right, Phil is a great guy, the gains might not be massive but he says it will unlock more capabilities, can't wait to see what the talented devs do with it. I also love what he had to say about first and third games&the fact he is taking risks with new ips is great. I always send him pms and tweets and the guy actually replies. He also played forza 5 online with a friend of mine some weeks ago.he is a very nice person and the right guy to be heading the division.

MasterCornholio3594d ago

I agree with you. Out of all the people from Microsoft's Xbox division Phill seems to be the most honest one litnof all of them. Panello needs to go though after the crap he tried to pull on Neogaf.

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2024 Is A Chance At Redemption For Xbox & Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer

Xbox has been lagging behind PlayStation in terms of 1st party content, but 2024 offers the platform and Phil Spencer a chance at redemption.

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isarai14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Nah, that time has passed for many, and with their words on future plans, i really don't see it ever happening.

shinoff218314d ago

It's a wrap. Now is the time they are slowly going to move on as to not to kill the base as is. Titles will slowly drip onto ps and Nintendo consoles, etc. Those 4 already had to of been in development for awhile already cause two of them released really soon after the announcement

VenomUK14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

There is no ‘last chance redemption’ for Phil Spencer - he’s going straight to hell for tanking the Xbox console platform.

_SilverHawk_14d ago

"2024 Is A Chance At Redemption For Xbox & Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer"

I thought that was supposed to be a decade ago

Ironmike13d ago

U do rel7se ps5 is at thr moment only getting g those titles that were mentioned nothing else as of yet

Obscure_Observer14d ago

"Nah, that time has passed for many, and with their words on future plans, i really don't see it ever happening."

Xbox has PLENTY of first party games this year while Playstation has none!

There´s more first party games from Xbox Games Studios on PS5 this year than Playstation Studios own games.

Those are the *facts* and if those facts is not something to Sony be ashamed of, they can´t feel shame at all.

VersusDMC14d ago

Granblue Fantasy versus, FF7REBIRTH, Helldivers 2, Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade will have launched on PS5 and not on Xbox by the time Hellblade 2 launches.

This only first party games count is cope.

And as a bonus meme...Microsoft will have published 3 first party games on PS5 (Hifi rush, Grounded and sea of thieves) before their first for the year on Xbox(hellblade 2). Glad they have their priorities straight...

lodossrage14d ago

It's funny when people like to say xbox has more games coming to playstation this year than sony does.

YET, they leave out the context that Microsoft literally bought the biggest (Activision) third party publisher and Bethesday (another big one). So congrats on having to buy giants in order to compete?

On topic, wasn't Starfield the "last chance" for redemption?

Am I to assume that if the games they have coming this year don't get positive, feedback then 2025 will be the year of redemption?

Obscure_Observer14d ago

@VersusDMC

"Granblue Fantasy versus, FF7REBIRTH, Helldivers 2, Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade will have launched on PS5 and not on Xbox by the time Hellblade 2 launches."

None of the games you mentioned are first party. None. There´re more Xbox first party games on PS5 this year then Playstation´s own first party games, undeniable fact!

The real bonus meme is Sea of Thieves a game which PS fanboys used to sh!t on

"And as a bonus meme...Microsoft will have published 3 first party games on PS5 (Hifi rush, Grounded and sea of thieves) before their first for the year on Xbox(hellblade 2). Glad they have their priorities straight..."

Imo, the real meme is Sea of Thieves, a 6 year Xbox first party game which diehard fanboys used to mock and sh!t on, making to the top of the most pre-ordered game at PS Store in a year where Playstation has zero first party games.

https://twitter.com/BenjiSa...

Markusb3314d ago

and all will end up on playstation, and nintendo, if xbox was doing amazing they would not need ps or nintendo, if gp was amazing they wouldnt need pc. PS has multiple first party games in development that we dont know about. Look at how halo was treated, look at redfall, and look at starfield. Its fine to be loyal and prefer one platoform but to be wilfully ignorant about it just ridiculas.

badz14914d ago

LOL se we are moving from "exclusives" to "console exclusives" to now only "1st party exclusives" matters just after MS has bought 2 publishers for $77B??

Moving goalpost to always favor MS i. Your argument is getting tiring! Exclusives are exclusives! 1st or 3rd party, they are still exclusives. You do remember the PS2 literally killed the Dreamcast, Gamecube and the first xbox due to mostly 3rd party exclusives, right?

InUrFoxHole14d ago

Observe is actually correct. Sony paid to play. But we don't mention when they do it. When they do it we're totally cool with it. N4G 4lyfe!

Skuletor14d ago

Are they still counted as first party though?

fr0sty14d ago

“This notion that Xbox can only be this one device that plugs into a television isn’t something we see in the Gen Z research. Because nothing else is like that for them.

Some of them will have an iPhone, some will have an Android, but all the games and everything is the same. I can still get to TikTok on both of them, at least for now." - Phil Spencer

Read it and weep... all Xbox games are coming to as many platforms as they can put them on, and this is the first step towards them getting out of hardware entirely, just like Sega did.

Xbox has been Dreamcast out of the industry. You can deny it all you like, but it's happening.

northpaws14d ago

@Obscure_Observer

You certainly have more faith in Xbox than Phil Spencer does, I will give you that.

rpvenom14d ago

It's actually quite impressive watching you defend xbox. I respect the loyalty

wiz719114d ago

@VersusDMC here yall Sony fans go moving the goalpost again lol now this only first party things is a cope when yall was the one who started that crap in the first place. When Sony had all the first party games and Xbox was relying on third party , yall was shouting they had no first party games. Now the tables turn and suddenly it’s a cope. lol

wiz719114d ago

@lodossrage and so it’s also funny that the majority of Xbox first party games this year aren’t coming from any of those big studios lol except for Indy .. the biggest one this year is coming from a studio that Sony left and almost let that studio die after releasing two big exclusives on their console first. Now MS swoop in and saved them , then here they are with the best looking game this generation. Now that’s ironic , but you mention buying studios like Sony biggest studios weren’t BOUGHT my brother.

Yall need to be more worried about Sony closing studio after studio , the PSVR 2 dying , Sony losing billions , and the fact that yall biggest game this year as in Stellar Blade was once being developed as a multi platform game until Sony paid for them to be a second party studio. lol but you want to mention things being bought , your delusional

Crows9014d ago

Shame in the competitor buying up tons of dev teams in order to make that a reality? Yeah...there's no shame in that on the PlayStation side....

andy8514d ago

So now you're shifting the goal posts so only first party exclusives count. Amazing 😂

Profchaos14d ago

There's probably tons of games exclusive to Xbox that won't be on PS because of their early access clause.

However list the games that count helldivers 2 I'd argue has done more for gaming this year than any other title will.
It could be their only game and it would still be a great year because it was that unexpectedly good even haters of love service games are playing it

TheTony31614d ago

Still at it? Doesn't matter at this point. The games will eventually launch on PS5.

mkis00714d ago (Edited 14d ago )

I see you ignored his" only first party games count" line as if preordained. Is it on xbox? No...then it is ammunition. Meanwhile sony gets to passively soak up 30% of all ms game studios sales.

1Victor14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

@obscured: “There´s more first party games from Xbox Games Studios on PS5 this year than Playstation Studios own games.

Those are the *facts* and if those facts is not something to Sony be ashamed of, they can´t feel shame at all.”
That says more about Xbox than PlayStation that they have to release games on rival consoles to stay afloat, Microsoft and YOU SHOULD NOT BE ASHAMED OF THAT FACT.

Edit After thought: it took Microsoft 6 years to finally fix their sea of bugs just in time to release it on PlayStation 🤷🏿

S2Killinit13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

On topic:
MS’s last chance was Starfield…
How many last chances are there?

@Osbscure
You’re moving the goal posts into places that have no basis in reality anymore.

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darthv7214d ago

Life is too short to hold onto grudges. Grudges against a console, game or company is just petty.

isarai14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Has nothing to do with a grudge. Ive been waiting 12yrs for them to get back to their greatness, im done waiting and have moved onto just watching that ship sink as i play on literally every other platform

darthv7214d ago

^^... I still play on it, as well as the other platforms. Which is why I am not someone who dwells on the negativity like others do. there is always something for me to enjoy in this hobby.

isarai14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

@darth

Again, not dwelling on negativity, they legit haven't made anything i want to play since like gears 3 and halo reach. I did play Crackdown 3 and gears 5 cause i had hope given i was a huge fan of the older games, but that was a dud on both cases.

You're thinking it's way deeper than it is 🤣 make something worth playing and ill play it, i was hoping starfield would be that but again, dud.

darthv7214d ago

^^...I never said YOU were doing that... but its obvious others (here) do. Its all they seem to do is dwell on negativity, especially if its XB related. all im saying is there is more to enjoy than there is to complain about. And this is exactly why I play all the platforms instead of just one. You say you do the same... so just enjoy it.

neomahi14d ago

It's fanbots making their last stand in an attempt to save the Xbox, what more can one expect that the most optimism they've ever had. Xbox can't get a lock in Japan, still, and Europe is about to abandon it as well. What're you gonna do? And what happens IF Japanese generates interest? They'll see Europe losing interest and decide it's not worth it either. And it's not just Xbox, Microsoft as a whole is losing their footing. They've backed on subscriptions with everything they have to offer and it's tanking. Xbox needs to port to PlayStation and Nintendo while they can stay relevant and try to stay relevant, the longer they delay, we could see a complete Microsoft nose dive

S2Killinit13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

And you think MS fans are just dandy? Besides, is it a grudge if MS continues to give reasons for people to despise them?

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Markusb3314d ago

when you cant make enough from your own platform and pc and you have to go to ps and nintendo you know its a slow transition to 3rd party publishing, and that is fine. Xb never had the thurst or ambition after the 360

JackBNimble14d ago

The second they decided to put exclusives on the ps5 they blew any chance of redemption

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-Foxtrot14d ago

Even if they managed to get a win this year it dosent overthrow 10 years of mostly disappointments from Phil’s leadership.

RaidenBlack14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Then this way, no company can redeem themselves. The very concept of redemption arc becomes impossible if the past is refused to be forgiven, even if the company manages to better themselves.
Then the now popular redemption arc of No Mans Sky or Phantom Liberty wouldn't exist in the gaming community if the same logic is also applied there.
Not defending anyone here but I want gaming to improve, companies to better themselves and most importantly competition to exist so that we get offered the best products to enjoy.
(I know in typical N4G fashion, this comment will be downvoted to oblivion, but I want good games offered from every studios irrespective of publishers.)

staticall14d ago

@RaidenBlack
IMO, what @-Foxtrot means, one years doesn't mean much. It's a start, yes, but they need more, much more.

Look at your own example, No Mans Sky - they didn't just release one patch and everyone started praising them, no. They've been doing this consistently. If Microsoft will start releasing good games consistently, that'll be great, no ifs and/or buts! But hyping them up in advance (no worthy releases yet is what i mean) - dunno, i might be wrong, but i don't think it's healthy or helps anyone.

rippermcrip14d ago

Your analogies are terrible. A company releasing a single game that failed to meet expectations.

Isn't the same as Phil Spencer making mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake, telling lie after lie after lie after lie for 10+ years.

isarai14d ago

Your whole comparison makes no sense. It literally took years for both of those to "redeem" themselves in the container of a single game. MS has been lacking for 12yrs starting with the halo/gears/forza criticism begining in the latter half of the 360. So even by YOUR logic, he's right, it's gonna take a lot more than one game to be redeemed ESPECIALLY after fumbling what many were already holding as their chance at redemption with starfield

Chevalier14d ago

It's not Playstation or Nintendos fault that Xbox poses no competition. They've had more support and more money behind them than Playstation and Nintendo combined!

You say you aren't defending Xbox, but, you kind of are. Xbox has been completely mediocre for decades. The last time Xbox was competitive was the 360 era. My 360 collection absolutely demolishes my Xbox One collection and so far Series X hasn't had much reason for me to jump to a purchase.

Can you honestly say Xbox is 'competitive'?! I would say not even close.

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Silly Mammo14d ago

With the gaming media, Xbox is always just one game away from redemption and success. It's willful ignorance that they think there's a 'magic bullet' that will somehow erase all the moves by Phil & the gang of the last 2 console generations.

"Well there's always next year!" Should be the official Xbox slogan

Chocoburger13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

100% this Mammo!

They've been screwing up for over a decade! Even if they release a game that's of the highest quality, that's nothing in the grand scheme things.

It also doesn't un-do Kinect (with lies based advertising).

Or Kinect 2 (forcing people to spend $100 extra for something they didn't even want!).

Or releasing two consoles with nothing noteworthy twice in a row (One X, Series S|X).

Or releasing unpolished games such as Re:Core, Sea of Thieves, Halo: MCC, Halo Infinite, Redfall, and Starfield.

Let's not forget canceling games as well such as Scalebound,Project Spark, and the Phantom Dust remake.

Finally let's remember the broken promises of vaporware games, languishing in development Hell, such as Perfect Dark, Fable, Everwild, what else am I forgetting?

Redemption is far far FAR AWAY for Microsoft. It'll take a full decade of only making smart pro-consumer decisions and releasing plenty of amazing games in order to make up for it all.

2024? It ain't gonna do squat on its own.

Rols14d ago

It was the same old story in 2020, 2021,2022 and 2023. XBox has never delivered this gen.

Brazz14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Xbox360, the last time they delivered the goods, over 10 years Ago.

Skuletor14d ago

This headline just reminds me of the "wait 'til E3" comments we'd hear every year, before it was cancelled.

LG_Fox_Brazil14d ago

I wonder if the 2025's version of this article is already written, probably I would say

lodossrage14d ago

That's the same point I was trying to convey when I replied to Obscure

Hofstaderman14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

#wait till e3 2024

Aloymetal14d ago

''2024 Is A Chance At Redemption For Xbox & Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer''
We've been hearing and reading the same crap since the xbone launch, these shills/journos need to come up with something new. Good thing is most gamers know this is all BS, they all read ''"Step right up folks and hold out your money or sub to our service. You don't know what you are going to get, but like always, take our word for it" Signed Lord Phil.

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Phil Spencer blames capitalism for games industry woes.

Spencer said publicly traded companies have to show constant growth or else nobody will give them money. "I don't get [the] luxury of not having to run a profitable growing business"

LG_Fox_Brazil19d ago

I don't know Phil... You've being running, and some will say ruining, the Xbox brand for 10 years now, you know?

Profchaos19d ago

I'd say he'sade the best out of a tremendous cluster fk of a situation he was thrown into after Don tanked the Xbox brand from Kinect to the launch of the X1.

The only reason Xbox isn't in the Ms graveyard right now is because of Phil.

So I don't agree with everything he's done but I can see why these drastic pivots and moves have been made

VenomUK19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

You don’t hear Nintendo CEO Shuntaro Furukawa blame capitalism for the phenomenal success of the Switch.

You don’t hear now-departed PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan blame capitalism for the roaring success of the PS5.

Cockney19d ago

He was head of games back in don mattricks day so he should be held accountable for his involvement, the back half of the 360 gen and start of xbone lack of games was all him

Rynxie19d ago

The reason Xbox is not in the Ms graveyard is because of the money they are throwing around to keep the brand alive. Don was just a yes man, the stupidity of the Xbox one was MS doing.

romulus2319d ago

We are well past Don Mattrick at this point, people need to stop using that tired excsue. The issues with xbox for nearly the last ten years have been solely on Phil.

Plague-Doctor2719d ago

The PS3 tanked Sony and they recovered during the same generation. The Wii U tanked Nintendo and they delivered a record setting console only a few years later. At the launch of X1 it was keeping pace with the PS4 and in the US was occasionally beating it.

jwillj2k419d ago (Edited 19d ago )

All he had to do was say “the way forward is to make great games.”, drop the mic and make it happen by any means necessary. If you listen to the interview he gave after redfall came out, you’ll hear him say he thought the game was good to go and the internal team rated the game 85 out of 100. 85!! This shows how out of touch he is. He’s literally an empty vessel just collecting his check, running the division off of data-driven analytics, he doesn’t care about xbox and now pulls a Trump, blaming the clouds for his failures.

Cacabunga18d ago

Says the biggest capitalist company.. this moron should stop talking

sinspirit18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

No.. Phil was in charge of European studios and Kinect implementation since 2008. Those European studios he was in charge of were then full time Kinect developers as he was now in charge of all XBox game studios in 2010. This is why game quality has sucked ever since he was in charge and directly why the legendary Lionhead and the actual Rare devs are not there anymore. Phil is actually more to blame than anyone for the bad game quality and the Kinect push. And especially for the terrible XBox One launch.

He was the spearhead implemented employee for Kinect and Microsoft's new vision. The others were the talking heads appointed by XBox. And, honestly watching some of those old interviews it seemed like those XBox employees were possibly maliciously complient by telling exactly what Microsoft's new agenda was with Kinect and always online without dressing it up.

And directly on topic. No, Phil. Capitalism is voting with your wallet. XBox doing bad financially is in fact because of bad products, disappointments, failed deadlines, and especially lying, misleading, and broken promises for products. If you just released really good games and tried to innovate then you'd had a lot of sales.. oh and GamePass is losing out on a ton of sales which can not be recovered from a few microtransaction purchases, monthly sub costs, or even whales. The math is simple when you could have sold a $70 game 5 million times but instead maybe sold 1 million tops and now have to recoup a quarter billion of revenue from lost sales potential of the one title alone. But now you also don't want to release a lot of first party titles because of the direct loss in sales revenue from day 1 GamePass, and you don't want them to release really good games that take a little more time and money to make because you want them to be cost effective for GamePass release. So you intentionally plan to release a lot of AAA shortcomings at this point because the AAA badge is needed but you can't do it too well or GamePass will never actually profit. Even though they had said GamePass is profitable, it is absolutely not by much and never will be. And, they said that Zune was profitable a long time ago but they combined it with an entire category of products when Zune itself was bleeding money. They lose far too many direct sales that even the most generous math can not see how they could be making much money if any at all to make up for this business practice. This is what happens when marketing and trend chasing fool a business into pursuing the wrong thing to stay relevant when the clear answer all along was that they always did good when they just supported developers making genuinely full and good games.

Babadook718d ago (Edited 18d ago )

I kind of agree with you, but Phil is partly to blame.

I blame Peter Moore (for leaving). Everything went to pot soon after.

PapaBop18d ago

How many years ago was this now? I'll give him some credit for what he inherited but lets be honest, he hasn't exactly done anything praise worthy and has done a terrible job managing the studios Microsoft owns.

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Eonjay19d ago

I thought he said it was Gen Z. I can't keep up.

Hofstaderman19d ago

Its Gen Z who are extremely capitilist. Lol, Phil is a clown of note.

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fr0sty18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

He's kinda right, shareholders expect constant growth, which is unsustainable, but it is what they expect nonetheless. That's why, even though the games industry is healthy as it has ever been, because it isn't growing, everyone in the industry is panicking. Even though we're still selling just as many consoles as ever, they expect each generation to just keep on growing and growing, and when that doesn't happen, they start to freak out.

This is true of any industry, and it's why anytime a company goes public, their products usually end up going to shit. The shareholders expect more and more and more growth, cuz they want that stock price to keep climbing, and so eventually corners start getting cut, wages start getting cut, employees start getting cut, they start cutting away everywhere they can to try to squeeze a little bit more money out of the product, until they ruin it, and then they move on to the next product.

buffig18d ago

Yeah, but everyone knows how capitalism works. This part didn't need explaining. The problem is that they bought massive plublishers for a gazillion dollars, to the detriment of the industry and now he's acting like he has no choice but to fire thousands of people because he just found out about nasty capitalism

TheEnigma31318d ago

Why I'm glad companies like Valve stayed private.

SyntheticForm18d ago

He'd never blame himself, so he's trying to score points with the kids by blaming capitalism. One of the biggest capitalists is blaming capitalism for his and Xbox's failure.

fr0sty18d ago

I agree with you, which is why I said he's "kinda" right... he's right in the fact that capitalism is behind a lot of investors freaking out that the games industry, while still healthy, is not continually growing unsustainably, but he's also being hypocritical in the same breath after buying half the industry and then laying off thousands of them, and using his own business practices as an excuse to cover for his failures.

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mandf19d ago

It won't be until halo and gears are on playstation that xbox fans see phil for who he is. A snake fighting only for himself. The video game industry means nothing to him just his paycheck to those who believe phil is passionate and loves video games you are part of the problem. You never hold ms accountable.

Minute Man 72119d ago

Halo and Gears only when Microsoft drops outta the console market

-Foxtrot19d ago

They don't need to drop out of the market for that to happen

They will always have some kind of console going forward but Halo and Gears could only be a few years away at this rate.

Next gen might look completely different

Tacoboto19d ago

I'd actually hope for Halo to come to PS and Nintendo at this point.

The community rejected a mictotransaction option so MCC is no longer maintained - no new revenue streams and Microsoft listened. Infinite is on Content Updates now instead of Seasons - dwindling playerbase and less excitement. If MS wants the franchise to thrive, that's free money and the same could essentially be said for Gears bringing them abroad.

FinalFantasyFanatic19d ago

@Tacoboto,
To be fair, Halo Infinite had a rocky start to begin with, I think they improved for a while, but fell behind again.

shinoff218318d ago

The writings on the all in huge fking letters. Just read it.

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phoenixwing19d ago

I don't blame Phil for that in the slightest. If you were offered to be an executive of a company 9 out of 10 ppl would take the job for the salary and give little crap about how they feel about any given product they sell. He's not wrong that capitalism drives greedy companies but you have to take the good with the bad.

staticall19d ago

@phoenixwing
But the person is doing a bad job and the company (including customers) are suffering because of that, how can you not blame him? The reason for high paying is the decisions you make and the responsibility you take for your actions steering the company in the right direction (if company is doing bad, it's your fault; if company is doing good, it's because of your decisions).

It reminds me of that South Park Bill Owens parody ("Follow that egg" episode), a governor who wants all the money and recognition/respect, but doesn't want to take any responsibility, how backwards is that?!

Petebloodyonion18d ago

@Staticall
Agree but what are your metrics for doing a bad job?
Is Microsoft's share value tanking due to its decision?
Is brand awareness worse than in 2016?

As someone who works in investment, this is how I see it and why Spencer's still around.
1) Grow the Xbox brand awareness by including PC and Gamepass making it a stronger brand by name versus 2015.
2) Showed a plan to evolve profitability by having multiple sources of recurrent income with Gamepass, PC gaming, streaming, and now other platforms
3) made new market integration possible via PC and cloud.
4) Can make hard decisions for the good of the company like cutting jobs.

staticall18d ago

@Petebloodyonion
I would say, we shouldn't look at Microsoft themselves, they have a ton of revenue streams - Windows sales, hardware sales, Office sales, Azure, government contracts, certification programs, etc. We need to look at Xbox - hardware sales are in decline (Xbox 360 > Xbox One > Xbox Series S + X combined). GamePass subscribers aren't growing enough and, according to the Microsoft docs, are at plateau. Games sales are abysmal (both physical and digital, thanks to "Day one on GamePass"). Xbox exclusives doesn't exist anymore (every game is coming to PC). And it didn't start yesterday, this was happening for a long-long time.

In my eyes, brand recognition doesn't mean much, if it doesn't translate to console sales, because Phil took away every reason to buy Xbox console for a regular customer (i used to own Xbox 360 and saw 0 reasons to own Xbox One or Xbox Series).

I would also argue that he didn't make any hard decisions, at least when it comes to games: Crackdown 3, Redfall, Halo Infinite - he was saying that those games are looking fine only to be laughed at on presentation/release. But i would consider that a low blow, because he did cut some jobs. But not from top management (who are responsible for the decisions).

In my eyes, as a console owner/gamer, doing good job as a platform holder = supporting your console with high quality exclusive games (like Nintendo and Sony are doing). I'm fine with releasing the games afterwards on PC, but not right away (otherwise, what's the point of a console?!). Extra services are fine (like PS+ or GamePass, or cloud stuff), but they wouldn't be a reason to buy a console for me. Phil is overfocusing on extra services, not on games. And it doesn't work out and haven't worked out for what, 10 years already? Sorry, i feel like i'm rambling at this point.

Nooderus19d ago

He's a Microsoft executive. Duh

S2Killinit19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

Agree except I think the real snake is MS itself. They are a terrible company. This clown is just the hired man for the job.

phoenixwing18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Thats basically what I'm trying to say and if you really want to get down to it. It's the board of directors for the company who makes this stuff happen.

jznrpg18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

@Phoenixeing it’s his job as the head of the division to tell those people I think you are wrong and for success we need to this - that’s literally his job. MS motto is a big problem and Phil going a long with it is also his fault. He’s the one guy who can say something.

Abear2118d ago

Agreed they are the problem.

M$ doesn’t care about the quality of the game, they care about the profitability of the game.

When you work for a Co. like M$ you know this. It’s all about money—not the “art” or what’s healthy in the industry for devs and/or the consumers.

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M3talDiamond19d ago

First its Gen Z now its capitalism but we can all agree that it definitely isn't Phil

JackBNimble18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

If it wasn't for capitalism there would be no xbox or Microsoft for that matter. But as the head of xbox division it is his responsibility no matter good or bad .... that's what it means to be the boss. If that's to much for him, then he needs to resign.

-Foxtrot19d ago

Kind of funny because when it comes to capitalism Microsoft is one of those great big American companies that just screams it.

They spent billions on Minecraft, Zenimax and Activision yet couldn't afford to save all those jobs they cut. With the money they make within a year they could have, someway.

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FinalFantasyFanatic19d ago

They've been swallowing up a lot of AI companies too and spending big on that area.

S2Killinit19d ago

If MS gets into AI they will cause the end of humanity the way they are causing the end of console gaming.

FinalFantasyFanatic18d ago

@S2Killinit,

It's between Microsoft and Google, the chances are one of those two will take the AI crown considering the amount of cash they're throwing at that sector. I suppose Microsoft might be the worst out of the two, but Google hasn't been exactly great compared to the old days when they threw around their old adage of "do no evil".

Silly Mammo18d ago

MS is making millions of dollars annually with the Xbox brand. Unfortunately, they're spending billions on acquisitions too

8bitAssassin18d ago

Game Pass games are not free.

Christopher18d ago

He also blames his bank account balance on capitalism.

PhillyDonJawn18d ago

I don't think it work like that. MS is the parent company. The branch has its own budget to maintain.

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thorstein19d ago

Making millions, taking million dollar salaries and bonuses but it's the dev in the chair that's preventing profit?

Yeah okay, Phil.

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Phil Spencer, long cast as Xbox's saviour, may be remembered as the man who killed it

Nathan Brown: "Phil Spencer spoke to the press at GDC last week, offering some context/spin on Microsoft’s recent manoeuvres, while dropping a few now-customary hints about the Xbox division’s future plans. I take one issue with this: I am no longer sure Xbox has much of a future to speak of. Moreover: I think Phil Spencer, for so long cast as Xbox’s saviour, may ultimately be remembered as the man who killed it."

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gold_drake21d ago

his decisions over the years were definitely questionable at best.

but MS let him be the head of xbox for this long, so they either dont have anyone else for the job or .. we'll i dont rly know any other reason haha.

-Foxtrot21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Basically when we had that awful Xbox One reveal in 2013 and Don Mattrick was thrown under the bus as the companies scape goat Phil was pretty much the only one they had who wasn't a typical looking "corporate suit".

Despite the fact him being the head of Microsoft Game Studios and gladly going along with the lack of games nearing the end of the Xbox 360 life where it was basically Kinect, Sports, TV along with the same 3-4 IPs like Halo or Gears he was the best person they had for the job.

They didn't have anyone else basically and from that day onward he was seen as good guy Phil turning the studio around when all he was doing was reversing the silly decisions made and going along with whatever the higher ups or the board wanted for Xbox. Didn't make a difference in the end because everything they "reversed" with the awful Xbox One reveal ended up being implemented in small different ways surgically in recent years with Gamepass.

The guy apparently is such a huge gamer yet played Crackdown 3 and Redfall, thought they were good and released them anyway in those states.

PapaBop21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Not a typical looking corporate suit? The guy straight up looks like a used car salesman lol. To be fair, after Mattrick, I think anyone with half a brain could succeed him and look semi decent, whenever I think of his name, I immediately remember that "this is how to share your games" video from Sony.

S2Killinit21d ago

when I look at him, its cringe. The guy dresses casually to fool people. But he is as corporate as it gets.

fr0sty20d ago

His cocky smirk I've always found to be incredibly annoying...

MrDead21d ago

I would say his "why bother making games when others are already" decision is what has lead them here. MS does this, but they just buy companies that they want to do a thing then asset strip it and dump it, you can't do that in gaming.

Tody_ZA20d ago

He's the head of Xbox because Microsoft isn't a gaming company and they haven't done anything for gaming in more than a decade. They're a parent company looking to buy more kids to raise as investments. They will profit off ownership, off their games releasing on other platforms, because they can't create anything themselves. Slowly they'll make Xbox as a console completely irrelevant under the mantra of play anywhere. That's why Phil is still there. He shares their corporate vision of making bucks and doing nothing for the gaming industry.

SubtilizZer21d ago

“If they don’t have a story these days they’ll make one”
Drake.

RhinoGamer8821d ago

Phil's top skill is keeping his job, growing his net worth to over $25million, all while underperforming...

SeTTriP21d ago

Gotta respect it, he went from a gaming studio head to making 70billion dollar deals...he is the main character I gotta admit.he looks fun to hang around too.

MrDead21d ago

...why do I feel like I need a shower after reading that? One of the grossest thing I've heard, S tier blowing bubbles grovelling.

jznrpg20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I don’t respect moves that make gaming worse long term

XBManiac20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

(Phil 'wait for next year' Spencer)
Microsoft made the 71,933 millions deal because it was already started and, with Microsoft, it is not possible to go back and stop it. Does anybody think that deal would be an option in 2023 or 2024, with the nowadays sitiation of the industry? And in 2022? No, nobody would pay that money for Activision-blizzard-king... because it would not be recovered in more than 20 years of really hard and good work. Everybody are selling for less, not buying for more (Embracer, Tencent...). But bad decisions in a company like Microsoft are impossible to fix. It is like a very big Ministery, where if something starts, it can't be stopped. It happened before and Microsoft will do the same again, as they have enough money to burn... well... I hope, because if Microsoft dies... it will be the end of our known world. What could substitute it?

_Decadent_Descent20d ago

I mean, that does take a certain skill. lol

FinalFantasyFanatic20d ago

I guess he has skill as a salesman, look how long he managed to get people to wait on Xbox.

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