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Is 'Ground Zeroes' the 'Metal Gear' for People who Don't Like 'Metal Gear'?

An hour of Metal Gear Solid 3 was enough for me. I wasn’t a fan of the first Metal Gear Solid – I preferred playing bodyguard to triangle-faced bullet magnet Natalya – and the second game didn’t impress either, with its frequent use of the forbidden question mark / exclamation mark combo, and cutscenes like a thick green paste of military acronyms and awkward emoting.

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DarXyde3631d ago

"It feels like punishment, or at least a confidence trick – like I’ve been lured into playing the game because of how un-Metal Gear it is, only to get more Metal Gear than I could have possibly imagined stuffed down my throat. It’s borderline incomprehensible, too. It seems churlish to wander into the fifth instalment of a series and expect to understand everything and unreasonable to demand a long-running, popular series be rebooted according to my preferences, but at the same time it seems absurd that any videogame series could be quite this histrionically convoluted."

So...you think the game "tricks" you into playing it because it's unconventional, only to be exposed to the series in large doses? Additionally, one can acknowledge they have not played the entire series and complain about how convoluted it is? Riiiiiight.

Ground Zeroes is not for everyone, but this was a ridiculous article.

delicia3631d ago

Why does the author talk about reboot? In every single game, the gameplay is different! The first one had a over the top view, the second one a different protagonist, the third one mixed tps gameplay with fps aiming mechanichs(along with a camo system), and peace walker introduced a mission based system with the motherbase building mechanic (with so many other things like outer-ops and side-ops).

Moe-Gunz3631d ago

And MGS4 introduced a overhaul of controls with ton of new mechanics. MGS changes every installment, but the story continues to be connected.

GZ and TPP is introducing open world elements.

Ratty3631d ago

You're right delicia. The gameplay is almost always very different from one Metal Gear to the next. With the exception maybe of MGS1 and 2 which are rather similar with MGS2 mostly only improving upon MGS1's mechanics. But like you said, it also had a different protagonist.

moujahed3631d ago

I never saw it as a unconventional MGS game. Just more open, don't understand this article at all, maybe I'm not seeing your perspective.

Ratty3631d ago

I'm suspecting it may be someone who's trying to "open people's eyes" about how "un-Metal Gear" it is in an attempt to ride the MGSV controversy train.

FogLight3631d ago (Edited 3631d ago )

Total opposite! Ground Zeroes is not for people who don't like MGS at all. In fact, they will hate it even more since this game is dependent on Peace Walker, and whether they want to replay the game or not.

Still planning to write the review after so many hours in the game. The content is short, but the game was extremely enjoyable in my opinion. Not many people are in a soft spot with it though

gamedebater3631d ago

Ground zeroes is more about memorizing enemy patterns than actual well paced stealth.

MGS3 2 and 4 were all better.

Allsystemgamer3631d ago

They were memorizing enemy movement as well...

Name Last Name3631d ago

You can't make guard patrols completely random. It may end up being unbeatable by chance.

Ratty3631d ago

True but I still think they could try making it a little more dynamic. It's not a major complaint. I'd just like to see that happening someday.

gamedebater3631d ago

my point exactly. some should be dynamic and boss should have more tools at his disposal to beat the enemy. taking out the power / tricky guards / messing with the a.i

ginsunuva3631d ago

Until Peace Walker.

everything after = milking

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The Metal Gear series has sold over 59.8 million copies

300,000 Metal Gear games were sold during the first quarter of 2023, Konami has announced, bringing the total number to 59.8 million.

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FallenAngel1984335d ago

Still waiting on Konami to put the MGS Collection back on digital stores

Nyxus335d ago

I know right? And rerelease the games for current gen systems while they're at it.

just_looken335d ago

Do not worry they will give use those pichincko remakes for top dollar soon.

Metal gear solid 3 in the fox engine looked/ran amazing but was sealed away :(

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Sarcasm335d ago

I know re-makes and stuff have been played to death this generation.

But damn I wouldn't mind an MGS4 remake

gold_drake334d ago

i played it quite recently and it holds up very well

CantThinkOfAUsername334d ago

It does, but a remake will be available on platforms other than PS3.

itsmebryan335d ago

I thought the series would have sold more over all these years and different releases.

Ready4nxtgen335d ago

Yeah I would have thought over 150 Mil. Something.missing here

Nyxus335d ago

Metal Gear isn't that big, and there hasn't been a new release in years. Also MGS2 and 3 are still missing from digital storefronts.

shinoff2183335d ago

5 mgs games in total if I'm not mistaken. 59 60 million seems about right. Mgs is dope to some of us but it would be hard for a lot of regulars to understand

ChasterMies335d ago

I would love to buy MGS4 but it’s still a PS3 exclusive.

JEECE335d ago

Although there are notable exceptions (GTA, certain first-party Nintendo games, Gran Turismo), as a rule games didn't sell as much in earlier generations as they have in the past few generations. So a lot of PS1-PS2 era titles that are viewed as seminal games didn't actually sell all that much by today's standards (yes, despite the large install bases of those systems lol). I remember a similar surprised reaction happening a few months ago when Square announced the total overall sales of Final Fantasy VII.

Deathdeliverer335d ago

Some of the best fun you can have online was the first metal gear online and to a lesser, but still fun to an extent, MGO2. The magazine, CQC, stealth, and tactical play Vs real players is just a blast. Not to mention playing Snake vs everyone? Amazing. The game will never be the same without Hideo, but Konami can definitely update what’s already there and take my money.

ceyoga335d ago

You wouldn't be talking about the OG MGO that was included with MGS3:S would you? It's rare running into another former player. Those were some of the best memories of any online game I had.

Deathdeliverer335d ago

Yes my man!! That seems like the BEST game that nobody played! Tranquilizer pistol, drag the body to a corner and lay a girly mag right by their head so they wake up and instantly get caught by the mag. You could get real toxic if you wanted at that point, but man that game was incredible! The only thing annoying was that damn Konami ID

P_Bomb335d ago

Did my part!

“You’re pretty good” 🫡

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Kojima looks back on Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes on its 9th anniversary

Hideo Kojima: "After the launch, many people seemed to expect GZ to be a full game."

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-Foxtrot393d ago

People would have gotten “your intention” if you stated it from the beginning but people didn’t want smaller episode like MGS games.

He should have just focused on MGSV and work Ground Zeroes into that game instead

I_am_Batman393d ago

I don't remember there being confusion over Ground Zeroes being a full game. But then again I was just starting to catch up on the MGS series as a whole at that point so I might've not paid enough attention or simply have forgotten that there was confusion about it. I bet the whole Moby Dick Studios thing didn't help the casual observer understand what the hell was going on though.

I only got both MGSV games when Phantom Pain was already out and I kinda agree that it probably would've sucked if I had to wait one and a half years to pay The Phantom Pain after Ground Zeroes.

jambola393d ago

I'm sorry what now?
Who expected that?
If it was meant to be episodic or an experiment for that, the price should / would have reflected that

MadLad393d ago (Edited 393d ago )

To be fair, there really wasn't enough content to actually justify even the smaller price tag. It was still half the cost of a full game, yet a 20th of the content.

I can't stand these paid glorified demos.

CrimsonWing69393d ago

Honestly, it was basically similar to the FF15 Duscae demo. My theory is he was taking too damn long to make a game and Konami was like, “Sell what you got!” It just has kind of a scummy corporate “let’s sell this demo for half the price of a full game,” feel to it.

That’s just my take on it. I love Kojima and I love the MGS series, but this and 5 were the biggest let downs, ever. Clearly unfinished work forced out because, in Konami’s defense, Kojima was going over budget and taking forever on the project.

MIDGETonSTILTS17393d ago

Lol, I loved Ground Zeroes, but releasing that level at $40 during a dryspell for games at the onset of the new gen was an obvious cash grab.

I handed over my money happily, but plenty of non-diehard fans were understandably letdown by the scale of what $40 bought them.

Chocoburger393d ago

The price was originally $40 for the physical PS4 and XBO versions, but due to controversy it dropped down to $30 before launch. And as much as I love GZ, and even bought it twice, I do agree that $30 was too much. It should have launched at $20.

https://kotaku.com/konami-c...

staticall393d ago

I don't know how about anyone else. But i've bought it for $20 1 week after release (or $15, don't remember the exact exchange rate) and spent 24 hours beating every mission and getting all the steam achievements. I was 100% aware what the game was about beforehand though and i did enjoy every second of it. I knew it was a work in progress and it was probably the best and less restrictive game i've played in a long time (and controls were just perfect).

Even previous MGS games didn't gave me that much freedom as Ground Zeroes did.
Love stealth? Got you covered.
Want to speedrun? Here's the timer.
Wanna kill everyone? No problem, grab that AK then and let's party.
Wanna cause chaos? Just tell Pequod where to land.
Love to drive? Then go ahead.
Miss Raiden? Then play as him.

I wish they would continue MGSV, finish remaining chapters and add more missions as DLCs, there was SO many options... A poor man still can dream...

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Metal Gear Solid V Is The Greatest Stealth Game Ever Made

Hideo Kojima was dealing with a hostile publisher who was pulling his team’s game apart at the seams in order to launch in some form of finished state, and it’s still downright masterful. Everything about it is mechanically focused and aesthetically nuanced, and not a single thing feels out of place or without purpose. Big Boss moves about each environment with a pace that provides the perfect cadence to use all manner of gadgets in whatever ways you like.

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Mobis-New-Nest565d ago

You are incorrect and I will be taking this time to correct you. The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker Forsaken Fortress is stealth that no game has yet to match. Having Link, crawl, sneak and hide under a barrel is innovative stealth that Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, Thief and Tenchu wish they had achieved. I rest my case.

ChubbyBlade565d ago

Cardboard box beats barrel

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got_dam565d ago

Lol I see what you did there.

fr0sty565d ago

So tired of opinion pieces... I come here for hot news, not hot takes.

-Foxtrot565d ago

Shit Metal Gear Solid game though

It's boring, empty, repetitive

Great mechanics and gameplay but it's just so dull....

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Chard566d ago

I played it long after the hype had settled, and I had a blast with it. Strip away the disappointment over what it could have been, and you're still left with a great game

porkChop566d ago

The gameplay loop was phenomenal, no question. From a gameplay standpoint it's an incredible stealth game.

porkChop566d ago

"Hideo Kojima was dealing with a hostile publisher who was pulling his team’s game apart at the seams in order to launch in some form of finished state, and it’s still downright masterful."

Let's not pretend Kojima was entirely innocent there. The game was 5+ years into development, way over budget, and wasn't even halfway done. That's why Chapter 2 is so unfinished and Chapter 3 was scrapped entirely. He was wasting time micromanaging and second-guessing everything his team was doing, and little to no progress was being made. The same thing happened with MGS: Rising. That's why the game got rebooted as MGR: Revengeance and was handed off to Platinum. That's the only way the game was going to get finished. And yet after wasting millions on a scrapped game, MGR only went on to sell a little over 1 million units. It was a failure no matter how you look at it.

That's why Kojima was "locked away" in his office for the final 6 months of development of MGSV. So the team could actually piece together and finish the game. Was Konami just supposed to let Kojima spend more than a decade with infinite funds to make one game? Kojima isn't Rockstar, his games don't sell 170+ million units. At some point the game has to come out.

I get that Konami are a garbage company but they aren't solely responsible for what happened with Kojima. As much as I love his games and will always be a fan, MGSV was almost entirely Kojima's fault and I'm tired of people pretending that it wasn't.

MIDGETonSTILTS17565d ago

Sounds like mismanagement by Konami.

generic-user-name565d ago

Can you prove any of what you're claiming? Because I've seen Kojima build a studio and release a AAA game in 3 years with Death Stranding. All I'm seeing here are the same conspiracy theories that people like to believe to confirm their biases towards certain people, same with Neil Druckmann. For instance, MGSV may have been in development for a while but you leave out that he was also having the FOX Engine developed alongside it, an engine so good that MGSV ran at 60fps on a PS4.

He's gone on record disputing that he ever goes over budget on very rarely has to delay his titles.

"He was wasting time micromanaging and second-guessing everything his team was doing, and little to no progress was being made."

Where did you get this from?

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Workshyskiver565d ago

Best gameplay of the series hand down, its not even close. Worst story in the series hand down, its not even close.

Ezio2048565d ago

But that ending though with amazing music. The Man who sold the world.

1Victor565d ago

I can’t say it’s the best or the worse to me I stopped playing metal gear at the end of 4 the official end of the snakes saga and the best in my book was 3 snake eater excellent gameplay and excellent story telling giving us the reason for big boss to go and create his own country before the metal gear saga on the 4-8 bits consoles.

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