Xbox One: Microsoft Claims Cloud Computing Can Provide Power of 3 Xbox Ones, 32 Xbox 360s

Microsoft re-introduced the Xbox One to the Japanese audience today during a series of livestreamed stage events at the Nico Nico Chokaigi 3 festival at the Makuhari Messe in Chiba, near Tokyo.

Considering the results of the Xbox 360 in Japan, Microsoft is facing an uphill battle to sell the console to local gamers, and isn’t afraid to make bold claims to bolster its guns.

[F4sterTh4nFTL]

My PC is still more powerful.

[Kayant]

"It’s relevant to mention that the rep talked about computational power, not graphical fidelity" - Hmmm reminds me of Dan Greenawalt's claims 1080p+their physics engine they are running that wouldn't have be possible without the cloud or the 600% more AI capability with the cloud. These claims are always hard to measure from our perspective especially the one of 1080p+their physics engine because it's not like if you don't go online you won't be getting the underlining physics model.

These things lean too heavy toward PR.

[Kayant]

Also the fact we have gone from "infinite"
http://www.totalxbox.com/56...
to 40x greater than X360 with cloud or 10x greater with cloud http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
http://www.neowin.net/news/...
to the now 3x the power with cloud.

So am sure anyone can see why this seems too much like PR when there is no clear definition of the power that can be seen and is a similar situation to when different execs where saying different things about DRM.

[MysticStrummer]

Yeah and every step of the way, from infinite to 3x, the MS defenders are here to tell the realists what haters they are.

Meanwhile MS is now sitting back and wondering if the number they threw out this time will help XB1 sales.

[joeorc]

@Kayant

Lol that kinda is like "well if sony was so good at Motion controls or really backed it why did they wait until after Nintendo to release the motion control system..LO

How come if Microsoft was so far ahead of Sony in this part of the grid Computing why are they not ahead of release over Sony's PS4 + REMOTE ACCESS PLAY?

pEOPLE SEEM TO WANT TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, DOWNPLAY sONY'S CONTRIBUTIONS OR THE OTHERWAY AROUND TO OFFSET SOME LOOKED AT WEAKNESS.

whats freaking ironic is out of all the motion control systems released last cycle sony's playstation Move was the most accurate, than if you really want to look at projective eco systems Sony's VR system is not getting released? oh' wait Sony has a VR system in place, sure after oc. rift..lmao!

never mind @ siggraph Sony showed off VR a long time ago for gaming purposes....!

I mean in a VR environment you need accurate tracking to handle the manipulation of objects inside the Environment. the very fact that kinect also allows you to track in a 3D depth environment already tell's you something bot companies were looking @ not just motion control by itself when they developed the product.

Sony is not out there "trying to claim" its not just proof of concept stages its in real time application! the point is what Sony and Microsoft are doing with the cloud structure is not the same thing. But what is shown is Sony is right now being able to show results of that investment on the open market.

Until Microsoft can do the same with the claims its going to be a hard sell to some about "if they can even be able to do what they are saying they can"

The fact Microsoft is spending that kinda money to do it, is really a good thing is if they really think they can get it to that point, at this point im sure investors want to know if they indeed can do it!

[Tempest317]

"by the equivalent of three Xbox Ones". The first article ypu linked (the "infinite power" article) states this within the first paragraph. Not saying the massibe amount of articles and different statements arent consfusing, but that article says 3x (from june 2013) and it lines up with wjat theyre saying now. Not that I believe it, but when after you sort out the bullshit, seems like theyre actually staying consistent with the claims, they just use bizzwords like "infinite" and "limitless" to throw us off.

[randomass171]

To be fair, if there's one thing Microsoft needs to fix up it's their PR. They seem to truly believe that the cloud will jack up the Xbox One's power. I for one really want to see this in action.

[Milesprowers]

So can cloud allow 2160p@120fps gaming?

[Abriael]

Someone didn't read "It’s relevant to mention that the rep talked about computational power, not graphical fidelity"

[HacSawJimThugin]

I'm sorry but I watched a stream last night (CS Go) and it was running at 120 fps and I was not impressed. The game looked the same as a game running at 60. Disagree all you like but anything over 18fps the eye perceives as smooth motion. Maybe it runs a lot smoother at that frame rate but it's not something that screams must have to me.

[TheGrimReaper0011]

I think it really depends from game to game
Just 2 at the top of my head right now
- The Last Of Us at 30FPS? No problem

- League of Legends at 30FPS? Fucking unplayable!

I play LOL always at 60 fps. Yesterday for some reason, i stuck at 30 fps. It was such a dreadfull experience, I simply quit the game, restarted my pc and rejoined.

Thing is, if the game is running at 60 fps, I really think that's enough.

Also and no offence, but from what retarded wiki page did you get that 18 fps is considered a smooth motion bullshit?!
I'd have to look it up, but I believe it was around 25 fps. Watch a video at 18 and tell me it's smooth without lying

[HacSawJimThugin]

@thegrimreaper0011 none taken. I can remember where I read it but all I did was Google the human eye and fps. I agree that it does depend on the game and anything over 60fps is just a waste.

[Milesprowers]

Why would a 'Stream' filled with compression be an indicator of how smooth 120hz gameplay.

Lower frame rates = Higher input lag

[mcgrottys]

@TheGrimReaper

18 fps may look smooth but only if they have proper motion blur (better than the stuff in games), hence why a 24fps movie looks great but a game running at 24fps might not.

I would never want to play a game at 18fps though.

[Deadpool101]

To be honest, MS is maybe telling the truth but it makes no difference as the results will ultimately come down to each persons internet connection. If you're still on broadband rather than fibre optic (like a large portion of the population) then I doubt it will work as well as they claim. Then again the same can be said for stream gaming I guess, a slow connection will result in less responsive gameplay.

[OrangePowerz]

There is an easy rule. You don't develop for the lowest denominator. Even if it would work the amount of users that could take advantage of it is lower than the users that can't take advantage of it and that in return would result in a lot less sales.

As for the streaming of games, slower connections can be offset easier since it is easier to sync everything up and the data for controller inputs is rather small, but there would be some sort of controller lag with slower connections. The bigger issue is with the video quality as a lower connection will result in a picture with more fragments and macroblocking.

[randomass171]

Microsoft kind of HAS to be telling the truth with the way they are hyping this up. I think Microsoft knows full well that this cannot be all smoke and mirrors or it's just going to tarnish their already fragile image as a game publisher.

[Visiblemarc]

Maybe...but if so, team up with a big dev and blow the world's socks off. Stop telling us how awesome it is and expect people to wait patiently. People believe what they see, way more than what they hear. I agree with many here, that this is really poor PR.

I feel like MS as an overlord is probably harming the Xbox division by trying to micro manage them. This seems the only explanation for the odd messaging from a company that should know better.

[Stoppokingme]

This is very poor PR, If I was a head honcho at M$ I would be demanding a please explain from these people.

It's one thing to promote the cloud because there is no doubt that it has potential, but putting actual numbers out there without substantiated proof is a big no no in any field.

If I was Phil Spencer I'd be tearing my hair out. It's not the product that's the problem, it's the clowns they hire to sell it.

[cyber_daemonx]

So MS are gonna release xbone in Japan.

LMFAO

[KinjoTakemura]

OOOOOOOoooooo...

More secret sauce...

"Can I have extra secret sauce on my bull**** burger please?"

[T2]

You don't wanna know what's in the secret sauce... On the other hand if you are freely eating a bs burger 🍔 then maybe it's not big deal lol

[Gr1mmyshadows]

I just dont see what they gain from this IF this so happens to not be true

[sprinterboy]

I guess ms will not need to make a xbone two then lol

[T2]

No way, you know what occurred to me? If cloud powah can make a weaker console more awesome I'm just keeping my 360!!! It's like 30 - 360 s he stated
/S

[TheTwelve]

This reminds me of what Microsoft tried to pull in France:

"X1 is the Most Powerful Console"

http://n4g.com/news/1399058...

Microsoft would save lots of money not even getting into Japan. As it is, this will be a moneypit investment just to save face.

The X1 in Japan is like a snowball in hell.

[KinjoTakemura]

Especially when all Microsoft does is try to sell "what ifs" and "maybes."

[cyclindk]

So easy, just show the bada$$ game demo for a game ACTUALLY releasing displaying what sorts of benefit players can expect. Visual improvements or not, even just amazing AI, or whatever else they want to use it for.

Actions speak louder than BS

[parentsbasement]

One company is trying to use the cloud too improve now and future games , the other is using it to play games from the 90's

[madjedi]

Yes one company is bluntly telling you that this is a solution to backwards compatibility to older games that isn't possible hardware wise on it's platform.

The other has been hyping a bullshit claim since e3 that it's cloud will make the xbox one x times more powerful than without.

Like sony and other 3rd party dev will stop using any and techniques or services available to make their games better and more stable. Are you for real?

[lemoncake]

This is a totally new concept to gamers, this type of system is real it already exists in the it sector, microsoft are just doing very poorly at explaining it to gamers as they dont have any really great examples to show it off.

With something like this seeing and experiancing it is key, haters however are always going to hate.

[BattleReach]

It's impressing, but I want the power as hardware, not as invisible cloud sh#t. I want a console that can run games on his own, without internet.

[cruzngta]

This is all 'in theory' and not really shown yet to make us the public truly see where this power they claim is. A real- world presentation at a major event like an E3 or something by MS themselves hooking up an XB1 system with the perfect connection and setup to prove this would be what is needed to make people see what they truly are claiming and they would have to have a flawless demo proving this. Not just some sideshow gimmick that could be done with another comparable rig. They really need to stop with these power claims and just promote what they have with great games because all this does is show panic on their part as trying to make people feel they are not inferior hardware wise to Sony's PS4.

[KillerByte23]

The Cloud Power is the number 1 reason Sony Fanboys are worried about the Xbox One and Microsoft, When MS released that they released at build demonstrated what the cloud can do for the console.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
This video 748 likes to 433 dislikes

The Xbox One cloud is already being used

- Forza 5 Drivatars
- Keeping Titanfall Online
- Keeping all of the game saves
- Keeping the Xbox Live service online

[cyclindk]

Just one thing.... Why would they be "worried" about it? If it all somehow worked out and was used to make amazing games unlike anything else we have seen, then people would have more reason to buy the console. What bad thing is it these "fanboys" are going to experience if it comes to pass?

[djplonker]

Vr + ps now

V

Imaginary software boosts

Sony fans are shaking in thier boots... anything microsoft does sony can do aswell!

Overpriced and underpowered plus it's oversized 5 milion "shipped" v 7 million "sold" we have nothing to worry about I wish I could say the same about the xbone!

[EasyOneTwoThree]

Keeping all of the game saves?

-Really? PS3 and PS4 already have this feature

Titanfall Online

-LOL?

[randomass171]

I'm not worried at all, actually. Even if the cloud did miraculously make the Xbox One more powerful than PS4, the PS4 still has the edge with its successful launch and it has a ton of developers under its belt giving it priority. The cloud can only improve both systems in the long term by making Xbox One more competitive, not necessarily more viable.

[ThanatosDMC]

Wow, really? That was it? Try harder next time. Uploading save files like with PS+ and Steam?

[KinjoTakemura]

@Killerbyte23

No one is worried about the cloud because everyone knows it's not going to work the way you think it's going to work.

As for your list, servers are doing that work, now if you want to call it a cloud, go right ahead. No one will stop you. Good luck though.

[LackTrue4K]

I tryed to enjoy your video, but my internet was kind of slow....
lol...

[candy_mafia]

I say give MS an opportunity to develop and implement the tech into something tangible (A Game), so that the naysayers will stfu or failing that....

MS will once again embarrass themselves and forever lose all creditability.

Time is once again the master of all ;/

[Braid]

Cloud provides rain, while console hardware itself provide the power necessary to run the games. That's all I know and believe.

[pandehz]

Im scared to write some sense but here goes:

''During the stage event the Microsoft Japan representative claimed that the Xbox One has roughly eight time the COMPUTATIONAL power of an Xbox 360, but that’s not all, as combining the the local machine with the cloud, the COMPUTATIONAL juice of roughly three Xbox ones units ccould be used.''

''It’s relevant to mention that the representative talked about COMPUTING POWER, NOT GRAPHICAL FIDELITY, but it’s still a definitely bold and intriguing claim. I’m definitely interested in seeing if Redmond’s software giant will manage to back it up in future applications.''

Yet SOMEHOW it becomes a fight about PS VS XO

I wont blame the reader's here as they were pretty misled by the flamebaiting headine which it seems the author intentionally formed even after mentioning that nothing about graphical fidelity were mentioned.

I guess both fanboys didnt get enough material lately.

Not a fanboy of any, just putting it out there

[Immorals]

This could be good for fixed events (eg. Levolution in bf4).

[mcgrottys]

I don't get how hard it is to believe, it's how everyone used a computer back in the 80's and early 90's at work. You would have the company mainframe which each workers workstation was hooked up to. The workstation was your window to the mainframe and any work that couldn't be done on your computer was sent to the servers your company owned and was computed there.

An example would be working at pixar on toystory. People would layout scenes with just rough models of the actors and when they finished the scene it would be sent to the render farm and the final million polygon models, lighting and textures would be used to create the actual scene. It would take hours to days to render the scenes on those servers but it would take months or years on the computers they worked on. Nowadays our Desktops dwarf the servers of the Toy Story 1 days and the power of modern servers is unreal.

The only difference between cloud computing and what I mentioned above is that their is a longer cable, and more powerful computers.

So now what we can do is have your console render the scene made by the server. Sure you'll control the game from your console but all the complex physics will be computed on the server, and the console can still do a lot of calculations to do anything that would look off do to latency.

The scene would be easy to send over the internet because you can strip it of textures,(which is 70% of a games assets) and audio (another 10%). So what you end up streaming between devices can possibly be less than what onlive or Gaikai use.

Also if you look at the whole build 2014 conference on DX12 you can see that they are going to make it easy for computer to computer computations. Look at descriptor tables, sure they make it faster for multithreaded computations but there are other benefits. The descriptor is a file holding the location of textures, shaders and other objects to call. It is a small file (I think they said 64kb), so instead of sending textures and shaders back and forth between xbox and server they both have all of the assets and just send the descriptor files of what is being changed and what files the device needs to call.

People spend to much time arguing nonsense instead of doing some actual research. I wish I could explain things more clearly but then no one would understand what I am talking about, and I already have a wall of text that would only get longer if I wanted to dumb things down and describe them in ways more easy to grasp. But I'm not a teacher I'm still a student studying computer science. I might be wrong but with what I say but I do not say things without supporting evidence. I try my best to explain my rational but somethings are to big to explain in a single post, especially to people with minimal knowledge on the subject. I'm sure N4G users would get more joy out of doing proper research in Computer Science than reading articles based off Twitter posts from devs. And if you decide to, then at least if you are wrong with one thing pertaining the console wars you will at least have a skill that can be applied in later life.

[SixtyNine]

If there's any Company that can pull off the cloud compute for gaming it's gotta be Microsoft.

[pandehz]

Agreed.

They have made a huge push in Cloud Computing.

Xone is a minor asset in the cloud universe.

[Budobear]

When did gaming turn into politics? All the promises (empty or otherwise)leaks,about turns, slagging off the opposition, they all sound like a bunch of MP's and no one likes them.
Just stop with the nonsense and show us the games, and leave it at that, please!

[gigoran]

Right
so all you need to play the games that use this magical "power" are

1. paid for fast internet connection
2. always being connect to said internet connection
3. paid for subscription to LIVE

So as long as you spend that extra cash (on top of the cash you have already paid for the console and game) and stay connected to the fast internet at all time, you can experience this "power".

And this is supposed to sell MORE consoles? Huh...

[marlinfan10]

1) "paid for fast internet."

we don't have a clue what kind of internet we'll need for it. the only reason you're saying that is because you've read it from other people online.

2) most of the games of the future are all gonna require internet connection so whats the difference?

3) you have to pay to play online with playstation also.

[Clown_Syndr0me]

I have a major concern about this generation and Im hoping someone with a bit more knowledge than me maybe able to shed some light.

It seems alot ofthis gen does or will rely on online services such as the cloud. If future games rely on this does this mean that in 10-20 years time when servers are shut we wont be able to revisit our classics from this gen? Rendering our then retro consoles useless?

When it wasannounced X1 will not be online only I was happy because I thought it would work like allmy other consoles. Now it seems its all an illusion and online services are mandatory. Its really putting me offbuying games, the thought that they are essentially on a timer and will one day be useless...

Any thoughts? Do I have this right? Ihope not..

[u got owned]

Think about it in relation to music. Same thing happened to cds people where very skeptical at first, now nobody remembers cds. Same thing will happen with video games, in the future we wont need consoles to play them just online/cloud sercices.

[Veneno]

Wrong buddy. With mp3s you can make as many copies as you want and play them across as many devices as you want. Can you do that with games? No. Can you even do that with movies? No again. The only way gamers can feel good about this is wh3n the day comes where we can make as many copies as we want and play them across any hardware. Just like music right?

[Priestwithgun]

The probability that he is referring to Halo xb1 multiplayer is so so high

[corroios]

Yes, the future, like 2030 and not in 2014. LOL

[hello12]

Microsoft has the infrastructure to do game physics and rendering by the cloud. The tech demo is prove they are working on it. Microsoft one of most successful software companies in the world, is hardly going to make a claim, they can't do. Sony fans expect everything at launch. Where is the Sony streaming cloud service? Do i expect it never will happen, no, takes times to bring stuff out, and be sure it works for everyone.

The x box 1 is a cloud based gaming machine, the PS4 isn't. I can't wait till this happens and directx12 comes out so we can stop the nonsense put out there by Sony fans, the xb1 is weak.

[djplonker]

Where is the Sony streaming cloud service?

The ps now service is in beta and people have seen it being used your the one that Is blindy believing anything they say....

Ms has cloud sony has gikai both can do pretty much the same thing and dx12 is focused on pc gaming and will not boost what the xbone is lacking on hardware still clinging onto secret sauces lol!

Let me put it into perspective just like newcastle fc the xbone can't win

;)

Virtual reality and ps now -2014 & 2015

v

xbox software upgrade that will probably not close the gap - 2015

Have fun waiting for nothing but dissapointment!

[marlinfan10]

virtual reality isn't gonna take over gaming. most people complain about the price of the xbox, yet you expect them to buy a ps4, the camera, and VR (which will probably be about the same price as the console). i just don't see it happening.

[BX81]

@djplonker

Never pass up a good opportunity to shut up.

[Give_me_head_strong]

How do you know MS doesn't have a VR attachment in the works? And you must have already forgotten about the AR patents that they recently bought. You're just assuming that DX12 won't close the gap based on what? Your crystal ball is broke, or the person interpreting it is stupid.

[SasukeX16]

Ever heard of PS Now? You do realize there is a closed beta going on right and there's even screenshots. Do your research so you don't sound ignorant. If anything, the PS4 is the cloud gaming console

[joeorc]

oh' holy hell! PSNow is already being used in Beta! right now, you are trying to imply that Microsoft's System is the only system made to take advantage of distributed "Grid Computing" ?

"Microsoft one of most successful software companies in the world, is hardly going to make a claim, they can't do."

Yeah, Kinect was such a Hardcore gamer's go to system enhancement for hardcore games when all three companies had out motion control systems on the retail chain! lol, hey I like Kinect, but its not a usable for hardcore gaming as was move, now with VR+ Kinect yeah i can see it getting more Hardcore releases, but Microsoft could have been more upfront about it instead of saying "yeah kinect on the xbox360" will be a viable hardcore platform for development! which turned out to be well after the 2nd kinect and when you add in VR.

you really are going to sit there and even try to spew such nonsense?

Hey sparky, if microsoft was so d@mn far ahead of Sony in this part of Grid computing how is it Sony is the one showing real world results past the "proof of concspt stages" right now for completed Grid?

You and other's are a real piece of freaking work on this site and , many claim this site is overran with playstation fanboys?

this is getting rather Pathetic now, trying to make the claim only Microsofts system is set up for the Cloud?

come on be truthful now

[imt558]

I think that Xbone fans who believe in that cloud fairy tale have ( especially misterx ) disease called "brain cloud". I recommend movie "Joe against volcano" with Tom Hanks

Plot :

Finally, Dr. Ellison (Robert Stack) diagnoses an incurable disease called a "brain cloud" which has no symptoms and will kill Joe within six months.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w...

[hello12]

Microsoft has had press conferences, meetings, talking to devs, AMD and Nivida and Intel attending talks.

Shown how game physics can be done on the cloud and directx12 how it will work.

Sony makes claims on the web, of similar things coming to openGL but no outline of how it will be done. Sorry i going to believe Microsoft when they demonstrate progress in front of people with more knowledge of this stuff than i.

[DoubleM70]

LMAO! People want new Tech, but don't want MS to do it I guess people fell to realize that if one company pushes the envelope it forces the other to do the same. It a win win situation for all gamers.

[modesign]

not the cloudz again, the xbone cant output to 1080p but the clouds can give it the power of 3 xbones.

[BX81]

Uhhhh

[Clown_Syndr0me]

I agree, but i believe X1 was released at the wrong time. They should have waited until DX12 and The Cloud wasready. They could have marketed it completely differently then, and it would be different to the competition .

[windblowsagain]

PS4 already outputs @ x2 xboxone levels.

Because it's got a better GPU&RAM.

They might want to try and get on level terms first before waffling on.

13.1 Gigapixels - xboxone
25.6 Gigapixels - PS4.

+ GDDR5 = 50%.

[Artemidorus]

RAM is shared on both.

[Predaking77]

And here we go again.

That's the key word "claimed"

They did not proved it, they did not presented it.

That's the difference between Sony and Microsoft. When Sony talks about cloud streaming they actually give you a beta to try it and then implement it. When Sony talks VR they actually give you a prototype to test it (Morpheus)

When Microsoft talks cloud is just a claim and black bla bla. No actual implementation, no beta, just a PC tech demo.

Japanese market cannot be fooled that easily Microsoft. You just started once again with the wrong foot.

[Activemessiah]

It's really sad when something needs external source to give power instead of doing it by itself... it's equivalent to people using steroids to be stronger.

[josephayal]

the most powerful console

[nix]

i think MS is bringing up cloud because Sony is launching their PS Now this summer. Cloud streaming is same as cloud computing to regular people. they're just trying to match with PS4.

[DOOMZ]

They need to get it going already!!!!

[LightDiego]

Amazing, that's an irrefutable evidence that Microsoft is the most visionary company, first with Kinect, then DX 12 and now Cloud.
The best exclusives (AAA games), television shows only for Xbox One like Halo and i heard about a new season of X Files.
Xbox One is winning this generation, this is a fact.

[blackmanone]

You're praising them for shows that you MIGHT have heard are in the works. That's a new low for fanboyism.

[donnieboy]

That's his opinion and you should respect that...

[nix]

wow.. at the comment section in that site. since they have no bubble system the argument never ends. lol.

[antikbaka]

..or cannot

[SilentGuard]

I remember a required online connection for the Xbone to function being one of the main complaints of the system reveal. Depending on the cloud creates just that, an online required console.

[bleedsoe9mm]

titanfall requires a connection , max : the curse of brotherhood doesn't , same thing with games that will use cloud compute .

[THC CELL]

so back on track with the always connected ms eh??

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Of course it does. Microsoft leads the world in R&D.

[DoesUs]

Is that like Hip Hop?

[aragon]

Ok ms u guys need to stop banking on that until u guys make a game that makes use of these claims, that way everyone can see that it's practical in the real world . Not trolling, but I think Microsoft and the xbox one are at a point where they need to start implementing things in real time on a real game that everyone can play because talk is cheap.

[bleedsoe9mm]

until i see a dev use cloud compute or DX12 for that matter , in a cool working game , its all just talk .

[Rivitur]

Lalalalalala so M$. Bone when will we see this amazing AI? I mean if it was such a selling point for the system why hasn't it been implemented yet hmmm?

They're claims and them are so full of hot air and cold air which causes rain clouds...

[corvusmd]

While I (and MS) agree that this tech relies on solid internet connections and will take some time to reach it's full potential...and jumping to conclusions that this will be a total game changer really soon is a bit naive....this page gives me no hope for the human race. The whole first page at least is just filled with fanboy rants, who have no proof of their own that it DOESN'T work, yet they are quick to shoot it down then defend Sony PS Now (yes I know cloud compute and cloud gaming aren't the exact same thing, but they both rely on solid network connection, and cloud compute IS actually already released and being used every day on Forza 5 AND Titanfall, where as PS Now has been put on indefinite hold since 2010). The hypocrisy here knows no bounds. You say "show me" they do, you say "lies and false claims" then you continually misquote what they said, MS has NEVER said more than 3 virtual consoles using the cloud (and even then they had stipulations, yet based on their tech demo in a CLOSED environment it looked like more...yet the claims were never more except by Sony fanboys trying to discredit MS claims) anyone saying more than 3 is gonna have to provide a link to MS saying this, because THIS seems like a lie to me.

It's hard to take someone seriously when they say that this will never work and that it's all lies, when this person is lying and has no experience that it doesn't work. Sorry I'll believe someone with experience with it over a clearly bitter fanboy that screams of insecurity. It's easy to make someone look ridiculous when you exaggerate everything they said beyond proportion and take everything out of context. MS has REPEATEDLY said that it will depend on user connection and that it will become more prominent with time...the ONLY people forgetting this is PS fanboys that desperately want this to be false...NO ONE else has claimed otherwise. Even if it never works...who cares?? My XB1 (just like my PS4, PC and Wii U have all been worth every penny) and even if cloud computing only adds half the power of a console virtually with little to no cost to the home console....uh GREAT, I'll take any free boost I can get on top of an already great system. Have any of you fanboys (not just PS4 fans, but fanboys...there is a difference...and if this stings, you're a fanboy) ever stopped and asked yourself WHY you want MS to fail so bad? Does it really bother you that much that there is another successful video game company? Even if you don't like it, you do realize the world doesn't revolve around you right? It's ok for people to like something that you don't, you don't have to be mad about it, in fact you SHOULD be happy that there is a competitor pushing your favorite company to work harder (speaking of "claims", where are all these better first part exclusives that PS has? ...where is PS now?) What happens if you get your wish and Sony pushes MS out of business... then what? How long will that twisted happiness last, and how long will you still convince yourself you did it cause you were a "gamer"? (A gamer that despite paying $100 less for your system spends less per console on games). When did being a "gamer" become synonymous with "elitist gamer nazi"? Apparently now enjoying something else makes you stupid...

I'm willing to wait to see if this works or not, either way I'm fine with it, but betting that it won't work this early on is pretty dumb in my opinion.

[THC CELL]

In defence for Sony ps now it's optional I can still go buy the ps4 games I want, ms on other hand you need a solid connected network all the time to see the best of xo. That to me is bs so no connection chappy looking games also slight drops in connection can cause major bugs eg Ai will run thru walls

[Artemidorus]

I'd like to see it first so all these Sony clowns can cry hard otherwise it's all hear say.

[g4n]

If there're so sure, why did they release the xbone and not just go for cloud gaming. Or is this ANOTHER excuse...
Not sure what everyone expected with the xbone. The last console from M$ was a jerry rigged DVD player that didn't even have HDMI or build in Wi-Fi.

[S2Killinit]

The question i have for Microsoft is: Is that before or after DX12 doubling the power of the xbone?

Honestly this is getting silly now.

[HacSawJimThugin]

Cloud compute is real...TitanFall says hi. All AI in the game are done it the cloud. Even if you dislike MS and their claims you have to give respect to the fact that they are at least trying something new this gen. I salute the effort. It will get better with time like all new technology, I'm glad they are pushing such a controversial agenda and soon all of you naysayers will eat crow for you're lack of faith.

[Illusive_Man]

This technology does not require insane connections at all. Nvidia demoed the same tech in 2013 and showed it can still work on slow high latency connections.

[cuttman]

A closed beta did not require a fast internet connection
Running on ? Computer and an unknown nvida
Graphics card!! M$ has to back up its statements!!!
Besides if it was an easy thing then I would
Expect this now!!!!! Show me !!!! No only AI
In Titan fall? Really ? Sorry your belief in M$ is just
Too strong for my taste!!!!!

[cuttman]

Really so xbone cloud is the only cloud service working?
Funny I happen to be beta testing psnow on ps3..
To my amazement it's working very well . Played grid,and puppeteer so far with
Very minor slowdown. So I'll believe M$ when they
Prove 3x or 5x or what ever their story is when
They bring it !! Besides this shit is nothing new..
The cell technology was the exact same thing .
They would join millions of ps3s together to form
The worlds largest computer... Yeah that worked
Great for folding at home haha!!!! Xbone is a joke!!!!

[USMC43]

Well look what we have here, another day, another article Abriael ripped off directly from NEOGAF.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Abriael you're such a goddamn hack. You should be banned.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Haha...fresh news...from Neogaf. They may eventually have to change the name of the website to do DualNeoGAF.com

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I am not sure what is more comical: websites continually covering MS public presentations and interviews for site hits or the comments of the gazillion that troll the articles because they have nothing better to do? Actually I think it's the latter.

[cuttman]

Yes we all know that there are servers that
Provide extra services MMO servers do that
Everyday all day!! Nothing special or new!!
The cloud will provide a few Fps depending
On local internet connection speed and distance
From the servers!! M$ is claiming way too much
To be believable right now!! In 2040 maybe
The avg internet speed will allow such bold
Advances but it's just not ready yet!! The secret sause
Is not that secret! Maybe for xbone 4 haha!!!

[EverydayGuy]

I think the always online was in part due to cloud gaming. I believe what they try to do is, if a small cluster of gamers playing the same game within a certain distance will gain performance in their game.

Azure will have to split the data between each system to combat the bandwidth and latency. Each console will be like a mini server.

[dennett316]

Microsoft claim this sort of crap a lot, and as yet have shown ZERO evidence of any actual benefit it gives to games. The Titanfall AI grunts were supposed to be powered by the cloud, but that's not much of a demonstration because the AI on those things is dumb as a post...they are total fodder.
I have no doubt that the cloud can aid with certain functions, but not 3 times the power of an Xbox One, that's pie in the sky.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

I want to see this though MS. You literally claimed this a million times, show us!

[dillhole]

Microsoft: Stop telling us, start showing us.

[dazzrazz]

Here we go again, the infinite power of teh cloudz but still not so 1080p. Why do they even bother with Japan ? Nobody is gonna buy this abomination over there

[donnieboy]

"Abomination"? Calm down dude it's just a console..

[jhoward585]

soy sauce.

[corroios]

Again with the cloud... Xbox fans need to understand that the xbox one is built for Kinect gaming. That their main focus and thats why we get a Kinect with every single console.

They tried to ride in the sucess of the WII, a weak spec machine, but that ruled in sales department because it got all the casual gamers buying TONS of stuff and giving billions to Nintendo.

They spent a lot of Money with the Kinect 2.0.

The problem for the xbox fans is that they dont accept the facts. The PS4 is just more advanced in the hardware, its better, easy to work. Yes, Microsoft is good with software, but cleary didnt play GOW, or Uncharted, heavy rain and so on... the were able to do amazing thing with a much harder machine to work. But now...

[Longshot28]

Again with this garbage?

[thexmanone]

Weird, all the people in here trolling, and mod don`t do anything.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Serious, What's the Difference between 3x & Infinite pwar of teh Clowd?

Is 3x Infinite = 3Infinite.?

(Never Change M$, Keep trying to blow smoke "clowds" up our collective arses, while we continue to laugh at you.)

[JMyers]

So it's 3x the power now?

Too bad the reality is that games still run sub standard on the actual hardware.

[gamertk421]

Still waiting on Sony's Emotion Engine. Anyone seen it? Anyone???

[quenomamen]

Yea, first time I played Uncharted 2. Apparently the only size Cloud MS could muster for Titanfall was a big popcorn fart thats why it ended up only 6 vs 6.

[D3ATH_DRIV3R_777]

When will they stop talking and just show the their freaking cloud stuff already?

[Dudebro90]

Dualshockers cant read and misquote the source, but it stays on n4g because of ad revenue. This is whats wrong with gaming journalism.

[PrinterMan]

Cloud computing does not matter much for games as far as frame rate and resolution is concerned. If the GPU cannot output 1080p and 60fps no cloud will make it do so. It can assist in other areas for sure but everything is still limited by the hardware inside your physical device. You cannot make a 10 year old PC output newer games the same as a new computer with the latest hardware. It is physically impossible. Cloud is awesome but lets keep it real.

[quenomamen]

We like to live in places other than the real world here on N4G, and a good day to you sir.

[esemce]

bull to the muddafuggin shit.

[undenied]

forget cloud, concentrate on getting new IP

[quenomamen]

Hope they sell Cowboy boots over in Japan, Cuz MS loves to pile the BS pretty deep. Shit i put mine's on everytime I read a Cloud, DX12, Secret Sauce article on N4G just in case.

[KontryBoy706]

yap yap yap yap yap... how about proving something for once

[Skankinruby]

Yes yes Microsoft we get it, youre the best. Now how about instead of tooting your own horn which has a history of disappointing results you just actually show us something

[Gore-Content]

This is totally true, because Titanfall invented hamburgers.

[hobbitooo]

if MS keep blabbering about their stupid cloud, then what about those who play xbone without internet connection? will the game turn to crap?

[u got owned]

Well that would be the case

[Scatpants]

Prove it

[corroios]

Its true. Thats the Big secret for e3. The cloud Will allow 4k gaming in the Xbox One... At 60 frames. WHO needs 1080 when it can do 4k... England should be perfect for cloud gaming. They got tons of clouds...

[feraldrgn]

This is why it's hard to trust Spencer.
Contradictions everywhere.

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

Interesting that Microsoft keeps talking about it. If it were not possible, you'd think they would shut up about it. Maybe they'll show more at E3.

[PersonMan]

The PS4 already does that without the internet's help.

[Dasteru]

Maybe the cloud servers can handle that but the internet infrastructure cannot. They will get a 10% increase at best from it.

Also even if it was 3x Xbone's, that would not equal 32 360s, their math is way off. I don't feel like figuring out the exact value right now but 3 XBones is equal to between 18-21 360s.

[u got owned]

If the xbone is 8 times more powerful than the 360 and using the clould would be equivalent to 3 xbones the that would make the xbone equal to 24 x360s is simpke math.

[Dasteru]

If the XBone was 8x the power of the 360 then yes that would be simple math. Problem is, it isn't.

The XBone is between 6-7x the power of the 360, in general. And it isn't even that simple. Not all the parts in the XBone are an equal amount stronger than the equivalent parts in the 360. The GPU is about 8x stronger but the CPU is only about twice as strong while the ram is over 16x better if counting clock speed. There is also the OS overhead that is using significantly more resources than the 360s did. Plus like i said before, even if the servers are capable of putting out that much power, internet infrastructure is not. You will never see anywhere near that much gain in practice.

Getting a correct answer to wrong equations is still a wrong answer.

[Akuma2K]

Not the cloud talk again, you'd think Microsoft was flying an airplane or something.

[Tales RPG addict]

Microsoft spouting nonsense about the cloud on XB1 makes as much as sense as when Sony spouted 7 years ago that PS3 plays games at 120 FPS, and does 4D gaming.

As much as im a PS fan SOny said some stupid crap back then, and now MS is doing the same.
None of the console manufacturers are as innocent as they try to make themselves out to be.

[DVAcme]

So you're telling me that, according to these numbers, the XB1 on default is roughly 10 times as powerful as the X360? Umm, no, bullshit much? Yes, the new systems are more powerful than the previous gen's. TEN TIMES as powerful? Are they fucking smoking?

[KillerPwned]

I feel like they are lieing straight to the consumers faces that buy their product seriously! This is just crazy to make such statements without any clear evidence.

[DevilishSix]

Cloud computing is NO substitute for hardware.

[Locknuts]

Sounds like hot garbage to me, but if they pull it off as promised, I'll get an Xbox One.

[Give_me_head_strong]

I agree, I think it's BS. If this were true, then we should be seeing Xbox One games running in native 1600p any day now, right?

[amazinglover]

Would love to see what the cloud can actually do for the X1 Respawn claimed it was needed for Titanfall AI but they still seem like mindless bots to me.

[BABY-JEDI]

I kind of think they were intentionally retarded bots to be honest. Really cannot understand why a cloud would be required to achieve this level of AI?

[HaydenJameSmith]

they pretty much are and are aimed to give a atmospheric battlefield to the game and they didn't want them to get in the way of player vs player combat but honestly I would prefer them to be a bit more lethal... plus the AI includes the Titans which are more lethal than the bots...

[BABY-JEDI]

Well, my views on these claims are all up in the air. Either it will prove to be hot air or a cool breeze.

[Give_me_head_strong]

Well I claim that I'm the Queen of England.

[jairusmonillas]

They said Titanfall will be powered by Cloud.. we all know what happened. It can't even run at 900p or even a stable fps lol.

[chand93]

If i had a x1 i would sell or trade it now,microflop are getting desperate

[Gamerita]

damage control

damage control

damage control

x 3

[mmj]

The cloud won't be able to do anything in realtime.

You only have to read the countless discussions about memory bandwidth (the amount of bits that components can send to one another each second) to understand that your average internet connection is going to be a huge bottleneck.

Xbone DDR3 = 68GB/s = 584100 Mb/s
PS4 GDDR5 = 176GB/s = 1512000 Mb/s
Broadband = between 10 Mb/s and 100Mb/s?

That's not even taking into account the far higher latency.

Anything related to realtime rendering is impossible due to the amount of data that would need to be sent over the internet each second, in human terms it's like being asked to recite a full Shakespeare book in less than a second.

[bligmerk]

The power of the cloud will make XBO at least 3 times more powerful and will increase sales by 3 times. Three times three is ninety-eleven, there is no arguing with the powerz of the cloudz. Just you wait and see, just your wait ... and wait... and wait ..., dang this load time is worse than the lag.

[DivineAssault]

M$ also claimed they were going to take over the gaming industry world wide. But that clearly didnt happen.. Maybe they can get the US all excited about shooters & al that but its going to take alot more than words to take over the world

[jay2]

So why don't your games run better than PS4? Wheres 1080P 60FPS on EVERY game that's in your catalogue?

[Harmy666]

I'm not saying Microsoft are lying, however...

I need to see this to believe it.

[RAGE91]

*Cough "Bullshit" *Cough......And I own an xbox one

[ThatOneGuyThere]

i hate what MS has been doing. We all know the XB1 isnt that fast of a machine, but THAT IS OK. the Wii U isnt either, and it offers some really cool and unique experiences. I would LOVE for MS to just shut up and BRING IT. bring the cool new kinect experiences. bring the new games. Gamers love games. Bring that to E3. shut the front door about the cloud.

[RAGE91]

The problem is, is that the cloud seems a really cool feature but I think it is a little ahead of it's time, maybe next gen. Because it's all based on others internet speed.

[cyber_daemonx]

Its just sad when a 500$ 'console' has to rely on secret sauces to try to achieve parity with its 100$ cheaper, more powerful rival. One day it's dx12, the next its da powa of da clowd, what an utter crock of sh1t.

[JohnS1313]

April Fools.

[purp13m0nk3y]

Show us proof that it works MS.

And I'm not talking some tech demo/proof or concept BS running on a PC and a bank of blade workstations at some undisclosed location (in the next room for all we know). That sort of thing has been done for years. It's not exciting or revolutionary in anyway.

I want a demo running on an actual Xbox1, running off the actual azure service. Anything else is pure BS!

[kingPoS]

Awe man! Ever since Xmen 3 'aka' X3, that moniker has left a bad taste in my mouth. Couldn't they of said it's 2.9% faster of something. If they're going use Japan's super duper network infrastructure with they're purported cloud tech, it might take a good long while for that to happen in the US.

Most likely the 3x claim applies to those lucky enough to be on a high end fiber network. Too bad local incumbent ISP's such as comcast arn't really doing anything noteworthy to improve overall quality of service, more like the opposite. Gigabit download & upload speeds sounds nice doesn't it, who wouldn't want that?

Gateway MT6706 2008

[ThatOneGuyThere]

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH thats all. theres 0 need to take this seriously. Dear MS, theres PLENTY to love about the xbox 1. Please stop claiming it will someday have more power. its not going to happen in any meaningful way anytime soon. Keep pushing out great games and the gamers will follow. I'm looking forward to the next Forza. PLEASE, I beg you not to force me to change my mind with stupid crap like this.

Sincerely,
A long time GT fan who thoroughly enjoyed forza 4.

[finito82]

i dont believe that at all, and i bet it will also have 99 problems.

[DoggyBiscuit]

I believe it when I see it

[user9558903]

I'm just going to buy 4 xbox ones and connect them all together. Then I'll have ultimate power

[MasterCornholio]

Kind of like the super computer that Sony made with PS3s.

:)

[Obscure_Observer]

The title is misleading. Pure Fuel for haters!

Its consoles COMPUTING POWER enhanced by 3x via Cloud.

[PhuckDuck]

When AMD announced Mantle, Nvidia users were so skeptical. When Mantle showed benefits, they went on to say how DX12 is the sh!t. Remember, without Mantle to nudge MSFT, who knows if DX12 would even be in the news?

You have one company trying to innovate which ultimately urges the other to one up. Shuhei Yoshida says "competition is always healthy" (look up the article).

I believe MSFT built the console for tomorrow, and Sony built one for today. Don't get me wrong, the PS4 is here and now with much more to come. Like user candy_mafia said, time is the master of all. Until I actually see it, I will not bite into the whopper. Too many people raise their expectations and get disappointed. Key is, be patient and be happy with what you have. Got the Xbox One, don't regret it. Any free improvement is always a plus to consumers.

P.S. I lose a chromosome every time I see fanboys going at it. It's like a bunch of chimps throwing feces at each other until one runs out...

[SITH]

Problem is they have an unlimited supply of feces.

[SITH]

Even I want proof. But the fact Microsoft is not backing off these claims, speaks volumes to me. It keeps building the stage they are going to have to stand on and show something concrete.
And plus, this is nothing new. Microsoft was talking about this many years ago.
http://research.microsoft.c...

[trademark]

need to fully protect all trademark on this products. simple and useful information can be found on www.tigerintellectual.com

[Azzanation]

I can see this working in a couple years. Future looks bright. take your time and don't listen to the fanbabies in denial. The games look good enough right now.

[Bonerboy]

Wildfire!

[feraldrgn]

"Won't somebody please think of the polarbears?"

[Delsin_Rowe]

@XxExacutionerxX
You claim PlayStation fan come here in Xbox article and talk bad but last time I remember you came to PlayStation article not so long ago, started to write hate. Remember I am the person who spoke that I will have to find a way to report you for those words you written. PlayStation is not a rip off since they created themselves as Xbox did, even PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo copy each other in someways like inspire each other with games and lets not forget Those company copy PC itself then. Every company copy a formula and improve it, that how they survive. We don't think PlayStation is perfect but it have been in our childhood for a long time that we love any good news and we hype about since we are happy for PlayStation that is getting stronger.

[frankdrebin72]

the way i see it is that if microsoft delivers on the cloud tech,..forget the 3x but even just 1 x...and with dx12,...now lets just say that gives a 50% increase in performance.....the question then lies with what can Sony do??
All of a sudden xbox is THE more next gen console afterall,..more powerful,faster etc,..what happens to the sony fanatics..not the gamers,..but the pixel counters,..what would happen to them IF only the percentages above become reality??..Would that spell the end of ps??..afterall it would no longer be perceived as THE most powerful console.
Its common knowledge and vastly agreed the xbox one was to be released 2014,..this in turn with it being dx12 in 2015, ....devs having more time and the newest sdk kits...would have told a different story.
E3 is soon,.i am sure microsoft will show a lot more,..as will sony,.but truth be told,..whatever games are announced,new features etc etc,..what is a victory,..afterall,..microsoft shows a demo of the cloud,..sony fanatics.....thats not good enough we want to see on xbox etc etc,...microsoft shows dx12 demo,..still the sony fanatics cry it wont make a difference...
Well to all the sony fanatics,..the ones that hunt the xbox section on every website...
When microsoft deliver the above,..and lets just say at that percentages....how will you spin it then??.

[MasterCornholio]

What Sony will do is provide mind blowing exclsuives that demonstrates the PS4 power and 3rd party's will still produce superior multiplats on the PS4.

Regardless if Microsoft's magical cloud.

I'm sorry but you can't use the cloud to grow additional GPU cores in the console. And that ESRAM is causing problems as well.

[Jack_Reacher]

Your wrong ps4 would still be the more powerful console. The cloud does nothing to the actual hardware. The base console is still the same hardware. Which still means all those lovely variables to make it work consistently properly. You need to realise that most of the world's Internet users are on relatively slow broadband. And if everyone in the house is using the bandwidth then that factors in again.

As for pixel counters and the like. Funny but that started with pro ms people looking for everything they could to dis the ps3 . After is release.

Before calling out the opposition you want to clean your own house first. Hypocrite.

[jairusmonillas]

You can't download hardware lol. MS is spreading false information so xbox 1 fans have something to look up into.

PS4's GPU is 40% stronger plus 8gb GDDR5.

[tigertron]

and what happens when your internet goes down?

[sebzhd]

The most important bullshit from M$ with Xone.
Hey AMericans, stop buying the shi. xone and start real console next gen with PS4.

remember xbox and rodbox? Didn't you understand?
use your brain, please, for the future of video games, please.

[Adolph Fitler]

Roughly translated from Microsoft speak, to standard reality based English...."Please buy a XBOne, please do not buy a PS4".

Oh God, MS says the XBOne can be 3X more powerful than it currently is....Now, to me it is bad enough that game developers are delivering to us unfinished products that need multiple patches applied from the day they release.....So now MS are trying to make it standard practice to release unfinished consoles, that need multiple patches & updates that will allegedly make them what they should have been from day one, out of the box.... As I've always called on this, TOTAL bullshit...Anyone who believes ANYTHING MS says, is a gullible MS d1ckrider, that has only been console gaming for a limited time....People that have been console gaming since the 8 & 16 bit days, realize that MS is THE WORST thing for this business, & has done more bad than good, ever since the awesome XB original failed....(the only good machine they've released).. Seriously, MS need to stick to windows & getting that right, & leave consoles to the people who do it right, & offer consumers at least some kind of value for money....rather than charge for every little breath of air. Out with MS, & Sega should return in there place... That is a perfect console world for mine, Sony, Sega & Nintendo.....console gamings perfect trio.

[Azfargh]

Even if is true... cloud computing is an ONLINE ONLY feature. I wonder how it would handle if the internet signal drops...