inFAMOUS: Second Son’s Retail Version Shows Radical Differences Compared to E3 2013 Trailer

Today the first 20 minutes of gameplay from the retail version of inFAMOUS: Second Son were leaked, and interestingly enough they include a scene that was shown during the E3 2013 trailer.

Even more interestingly, the new version of the scene is very different, showcasing completely remade lighting and even some different environments, as you can see from the screenshots below.

[kiz2694]

Only seeing a time difference (sunset not midday), graphically looks very close to there concept. Also the locations have changed but not graphically.

[Irishguy95]

Earlier reports were correct, the graphics have taken a massive dive

This was apparent in leaked gameplay vids. However now it's clear as day. Seriously, the X1 and Ps4 were completely miscalculated by MS and Sony....or..well, not really. Like E3 2005 again but just not as bad on sonys part

Seriously
http://cdn.dualshockers.com...
http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...

The difference is immense. I wonder why they changed the lighting from before too? Imo the old one looks better, however Infamous 1 and 2 had their own 'unrealistic' lighting which looked great in the gameplay and set the mood so maybe it's better for the gameplay

Yes it clearly is a massive dive kiz. The texture resolution, jaggies, shading, shadows, all look like **** compared to the E3 version.

In the pic alone above, the hat, the buttons, the jacket, the facial details, everything is very noticeably worse.

[kiz2694]

The difference is the time of day, if the new image has the same lighting with the harsh sunlight, they would be incredibly similar. Detail wise they share the same detail, but its hard to tell because the two images are compressed at different resolutions. Its definitely not the "massive dive" your stating.

@in reply to your edit about the time of day

I would say they changed the time of day because it add to the atmosphere of the scene, if they having an argument it would make more sense to have it dark and gloomy not in the a nice summers day.

@ second edit

I seriously cant see what your seeing, the two set of images have different resolutions and are both compressed. I see little to no "jaggies". Taking to consideration the resolution difference, the textures are the same for sure. the time of day is different and the environments(not the appearance just the objects in view)have changed but i wouldn't say for the worse.

[lifeisgamesok]

"Radical difference"

They should have just said "downgrade"

[GarrusVakarian]

Lmao...

"The difference is immense"...."massive dive"

C'mon, that is pure hyperbole. Apart from the screenshot you posted being very low quality/compressed, it also doesn't have the same lighting conditions as the E3 build. The E3 build is very saturated and has direct sunlight on the environments.

If you wanna compare, at least use screenshots that aren't taken from low quality footage and with different lighting conditions and make sure they are the same res.

"Yes it clearly is a massive dive kiz. The texture resolution, jaggies, shading, shadows"

"In the pic alone above, the hat, the buttons, the jacket, the facial details, everything is very noticeably worse"

....you are complaining about the texture resolution and jaggies on an uncompressed picture taken from low quality YOUTUBE footage. Look at the edges of that 2nd screenshot....blatant signs of compression, plus the fact the image is only 720p(?). C'mon man.....You are grasping at straws here. At least compare a direct feed 1080p screenshot to another direct feed 1080p screenshot with neither being compressed.

The only difference im seeing in the E3 build and the newer build is lighting conditions/shadows. The area in that cutscene doesn't look like it's in direct sunlight like it did back at E3.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Eonjay]

Are you saying that the E3 trailer has been downgraded to the best looking console game. Ever.

[GarrusVakarian]

Here is a direct feed, 1080p screenshot from a cutscene of the most recent build shown to the public - http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-...

Here is your biased, compressed screenshot from a cutsecne in a youtube video- http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...

Lol. Doesn't look washed out/jaggy/low quality at all in the image i posted. Next time, make fair comparisons.

Although i do agree on the lighting, but im not sure if i would say "downgraded"...just looks like they changed the time of day/direct sunlight/saturation.

Watch this, E3 gameplay-
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Then watch this, most recent build gameplay -
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Downgrade? Where?

[NewMonday]

@Abriael
you should get your own source where you can confirm the quality of the material you have, you jumped the gun on this one.

sloppy reporting Abriael, you can do better.
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the difference here is the lighting, first obvious thing is that it's a different time of day

and the lighting is more subtle in the new shots, where in the old shots they are to strong, making object in the shadow hard to make out.

also notice the character textures in the new shots are actually better, and no change is apparent to the rest of the game world textures.

[arika]

Watchdogs maybe downgraded because its multiplatform, but expect Infamous Second Son to be the standard for next gen graphics since its ps4 only exclusive not in pc or xbone, so believe me this game is going to something special and amazing.

[FlunkinMonkey]

You must really be dim brother.. It's a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TIME OF DAY!

I know how you guys just LOVE images using too much contrast and sharpness, but the new build is clearly better.

You also provide an inadequate comparison, with some images being compressed to fack.

This is a complete fail, revealing your true colours partner.

For the same morons who moan about PS4 owners spouting BS in MS articles, you, lifeisgameok, ArbitorChief are doing a fine job.

Hypocrites. Try harder, this looks miles ahead of anything on the XBone.

[abzdine]

haha you fail!
the "new" Delsin clearly has a better defined face and your 2 pictures show that.
does it hurt your **** that this "downgraded" game looks better than anything out there? keep trolling but you will FAIL everytime :)

While some are feeding us garbage and CG graphics about their games and clearly downgrade it the day it releases, others like Sucker Punch step their game up and deliver.

[Ezz2013]

oh dear ...oh dear,
the time of day is different ..so let's call it "Downgrade"

didn't expect this from you @Abriael
always liked your articles but not this time

[Abriael]

@NewMonday: you say that I should get better sources , and then you proceed to say exactly the same thing I wrote? Double personality?

I wrote that there's a large difference, not that there's a large downgrade (or upgrade). And there is. The quality of the videos has nothing to do with it, as it doesn't change the lighting, doesn't add or remove elements of the environment, which are the differences here.

Only fanboys (either looking to flamebait or to be overly defensive) would read "difference" as "downgrade," because there surely isn't a single mention of a change in QUALITY in the whole article.

@Ezz2013: you didn't expect what? Me to show the evolution of a game in nine months of development? Weird, because it's not the first time I do it, and not the first time people completely misrepresent it in order to flame over it.

[arika]

Next time don't put flamebait titles, so it won't be misinterpreted as such. Instead of radical differences put big lighting changes or infamous ss added some night and day details on previous footages, etc. You kind a get my drift, because this game is touted to be a system seller(I for one believe it is), so you cant blame gamers to be a little touchy on the subject matter.

[LightofDarkness]

Well, I played it last night. The cutscenes look outstanding, but the actual gameplay has suffered a bit. Characters don't really cast shadows any more, and the lighting appears quite flat (probably due to absence of self-shadowing or ambient occlusion). It still looks great, and even reaches ~60FPS at times, but to say that it hasn't been downgraded in any way is definitely a tad dishonest. The devs themselves even said they had to make some sacrifices, particularly with shadowing, so I don't know why everyone is getting so defensive. They figured the particle effects were more important to the game's aesthetic than most other elements. It still looks beautiful, just not AS beautiful as it might have with more time or slightly stronger hardware.

[4Sh0w]

pffft "time of day is different" and dualshockers were being polite with "differences"= excuses for downgrade. Seriously Im sure infamous SS is still going to be a great game but looking at those pics compared to E3 it's an OBVIOUS downgrade in graphics. It is what it is and infamous SS still looks great, heck of alot better than DR3 which is my favorite next gen game but it has been downgraded without a doubt, ironicly some supposedly can see the minor differences in games like BF4 on X1 and ps4 but they can't see a obvious downgrade here, not to worry though infamous is still a beautiful open world game I just think it's BS that Watch Dogs was heavily criticized but this game get a pass.

[Abriael]

@arika: "difference" is a completely neutral term. It's not positive or negative. "radical" is also completely neutral.

I'm not exactly sure where you see the "flamebait."

The only correct thing you've said is that people are way too touchy.

[Ezz2013]

@Abriael

here's the thing
any one would see your article and the first thing that come to their mind that this is either downgrade or upgrade article
and as you can see xbox fanboys wasted no time declare that the game is downgraded even though any one with a working brain would know it just a different time in the day
also those pics look really bad quality wise
are they taken from youtube video ?!

you should have picked a better headline than this

[arika]

@Abriael
After the watchdogs fiasco about downgrade in graphics and after seeing your headline of your article what do you think people will say? See. And radical is kind of a strong word to use. Just say added night and day cycle or something.

[Kayant]

@4Sh0w

Yh so obvious because it is indeed a different time of day with sun clearly not as visible due to the clouds.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

http://www.dailymotion.com/...

In the new video it is clear like they said with more direct lighting you will get your dynamic shadows which you can see from around 7:60. Look at the rocks shadows are present just like they were in E3.

So please show where this *MASSIVE DOWNGRADE* comes from when the only real differences is the shadows around their faces .

[Abriael]

@Ezz2013: the quality of the picture doesn't change the lighting, which is the point of the comparison.

If people are looking with a lens for any chance to flamebait, warping a completely neutral article and headline into a negative one, joke's on them. Time to be less touchy, because it's getting ridiculous.

@arika: radical is a strong word, but it's not strongly negative or strongly positive. The change is radical, because the original lighting *was* radical. The new one isn't, which is probably on purpose because the original lighting effectively hid expressions, as the pictures clearly show.

As a matter of fact, I believe it's an artistic choice, and while it's aesthetics are subjective, I completely agree with it from a storytelling point of view.

If people can't understand that, I can't help them.

@Newmonday: so I should skip reporting on the facts because Trolls don't care about them?

@Arika Below: you know better than me that people that want to troll would have found the chance to whatever the headline was.

The matter isn't that the headline is a problem. The matter is that people are way too eager to jump on everything because nowadays they NEED a smoking gun against the other console, whatever that console is, and that's stifling.

[No_Limit]

Whoa, that is some major changes from last year to the final game. What is going on here?

[Ezz2013]

@Abriael

i'm not talking about the lighting that's normal because it show different time in the day

i'm talking about the pics it self
is it coming from youtube video because it look really bad

[arika]

@abriael
But you see because of your headline some trolling people are making it a negative issue. My point exactly. Just choose a better headline next time ok. Im sure downplaying or downgrading infamous ss wasnt your intention, but this is n4g and you know there is a lot of spinning happening here from both side of the camp. Ok.

[NewMonday]

@Abriael

I know the screenshots are from bad compressed sources so I knew to ignore the blur and bad resolution quality and talked about the constant which is lighting.

but the trolls don't care about facts, you see from some comments here they wasted no time.

[TheGreatAndPowerful]

Shadows took a bit of a hit but that's about it the rest looks about the same. And I didn't see any jaggies at all from last nights footage so...

for those that didn't get a chance to download the vid last night. enjoy. :)
http://thepiratebay.se/torr...

[nveenio]

It almost looks like a time of day + filter is all that's changed. Shadows aren't as harsh (ToD), and there's a bit of an orange overlay (could be a filter or the light of the early morning sun). Doesn't look worse, that's for sure. This isn't another Watch Dogs fiasco, thank the Punch.

[Clarence]

The difference is the time of day. Stop it your reaching.

[listenkids]

lol

[Baccra17]

And once again, as usual, the PS4 is being treated like the red headed step child of the game industry. So eager to paint greatness with the same brush as the Bone and Wii U that we have to make these stupid articles, constantly, every f-ing time so that certain gamers can feel good about their purchase of inferior hardware at ridiculous prices. ENOUGH!

[Cuzzo63]

@irishguy
you chance to shine with one bubble and you jus made yourself look silly lmao. Sorry try again next time

[razrye]

Bad attempt at trolling irish. Try harder next time.

[abzdine]

i dont see the problem with the title, cause apart from the time of the day i can see a "radical" change in environment and background.
the title fits well in this case, doesn't always have to be about graphics.
Remember Cole from Infamous 2 and the design change after? that's a radical change regardless of graphical quality.

[NewMonday]

@Abriael
"so I should skip reporting on the facts because Trolls don't care about them?"

you should make the FULL facts clear from the beginning, like how the bad video quality adds blur and makes the textures seem worse.

you usually do good work, don't take this as hate, it's constructive criticism.

just let it go this time, do a few other good articles and people will forget about this.

[4Sh0w]

@Kayant

bro I'm not referring to lighting as Abriael said below:
"Abriael  +&am p;#1 60;  3h ago

Too bad all the pictures in the comparison come from Youtube. From the first to the last." 

The source of both the E3 2013 pics AND the recent build are BOTH Youtube. Look at the pics:

http://cdn.dualshockers.com...
http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...

There is is an obvious downgrade in the textures in his jacket and the overall quality of the environments. You know it's a downgrade when half the comments here are trying to blame it on YouTube compression, which is basicly an admission that it doesn't look as good as E3 and the other half are saying it's because of "time of day lighting", but how does any of that change texture detail, which is outstanding for a open world game in the E3 pics????

You know what I don't care the over analyzing games has become ridiculous, INFAMOUS SS STILL LOOKS LIKE AN AWESOME GAME and if the devs had to scale back a bit to make sure it PLAYS WELL then that's what's important, THE ONLY POINT I have is I think it's BS that just last week Watch Dogs got ripped apart for the exact same thing, now it's OK as long as you throw in a poor excuse.

[dantesparda]

@irish

A massive dive guy? really? Talk about exaggerating. Also, thee 1st shot is 1080p vs 720p on the 2nd shot from a compressed video. The biggest difference is the time of day lighting and some minor differences. You wanna talk about a massive difference, lets talk about how all the X1 games looked at E3 when they were all running at 1080p and the final products most of which are 720p. And now suddenly graphics matter again to the MS fanboys. Why?

@lifeisagame
"Radical difference"
They should have just said "downgrade"

You mean like with every X1 game thus far, but you dont have a problem with that, that you actually defend. Typical fanboy.

@4Sh0w
"it's an OBVIOUS downgrade in graphics"
No its not, its an obvious time of day lighting change. I'll admit that i like the old lighting better but I love how hard you fanboys are trying to put this down, shall i use some of the MS fanboys logic here, youse must be jealous, lol.

[esemce]

You are 100% correct Irishguy95, you have made the kids that worship at the alter of the single console cry. They really do not want to accept that we have all been sold a lie and that these consoles are underpower to say they need to last 5+ years.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

Will watchdogs and Second son be good games, yes have they been downgraded absolutely.

[chickenface]

o look, arguably the biggest xbot troll boy smashing a playstation exclusive to shreds. wow, i'm so so so so sooooooooooooo suprised. Listen here, no matter how much you rant, rave and bring this game down it's still going to be fantastic and the graphics will be stunning. You aren't even going to purchase this game, you don't have an interest in it AND you haven't played it

keep your troll comments to yourself

[Ma1nframe]

WOW what a downgrade. WTF is going on with this 'next gen'eration. I'm not liking this trend one bit.

[Visiblemarc]

At this rate, devs are going to get terrified to show us in-progress builds.

Yes, it does seem that some aspects are less detailed. However, what jumps out most is the lighting seems to be much less contrast-y.

At the end of the day, this is an extremely good looking early-in-the-gen game. What else matters? Should they have stood at the podium at E3 and explained that "these are target renders...depending how things go some details may or may not make it into the final build." What a showstopper!

[kenshiro100]

Oh look its Irishguy spreading misinformation again. You just couldn't wait huh?

[MorePowerOfGreen]

I normally could care less about PS4 news but I had to say that I can't believe folks think it's only the lighting. Looks like PS3 vs PS4. Textures, lighting, texture resolution, poly count, shadowing are surprisingly worse. Not surprised with Sony having a history of tricking gamers over the capability of their consoles. Being on youtube isn't hiding the current I.S.S true visuals, it's hiding how deep the difference really is between the E3 and current build.

[Jack_Reacher]

What a waste of air you are.

I bet you thought after reading the addendum at the bottom, thats the bit in pink, you thought I know I will still act like a little boy and put something really baby like.

Wow I bet you even p*ssed yourself a little as you typed away that trash.

what a waste

[RedDevils]

Nice try kiddo with 2 set of resolution image and called it a massive dive in graphics, who's you trying to fool here lol

[NukaCola]

Have you seen the game now? It's streaming online and does not look downgraded at all.

[Bigpappy]

He does look better with the lower quality. he doesn't body as mean.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

Disagree(279)

O_O

This site is PRO SONY

LMAO!

[mcarsehat]

They are worse, but only by a little bit. still look nice. I'll give the same reaction i gave for watch_dogs: I CAN'T WAIT!!

[us_army]

From someone who has played the final build, the game has not been downgraded. As stated by the author of this article as well- it is the best looking next-gen game out there. You will see on the 21st.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

I'm sorry to say, but if that was my game being misrepresented like this I Would consider legal actions.

The author is comparing uncompressed footage Vs compressed ones at half the final resolution (1080p Vs Compressed 720p). But to make matters worse, the article completely fails to mention any of that, resulting in serious and potentially damaging conclusion of the game whilst profiting from said outcome by getting g traffic to his website.

If the game was truly downgraded, then all of this would have been well deserved. But when a developer works so hard against industry trends (bullshots and misrepresentations) and maintains the visual fidelity of his game, said developer should be rewarded for it. Not have some sloppy/hasty "writer" discredit all of his hard work for clicks' sake.

People are complaining about the headline, I don't even care much about the headline to be honest. But the f**king pictures being compared have to be consistent. If a game is 1080p, why the fack would you choose it's compressed 720p version as a measuring stick of any sorts?

What the author did is similar to taking a picture of real money then walk into a store and try to use that picture as currency.

Soo stupid if you ask me.

[thisismyaccount]

Abriael said :

"difference" does not mean downgrade. It doesn't mean upgrade. It means "difference." It's different. Not necessarily worse or better. Just different.

yep and <radical> means <radical: ENORMOUS, EXTREME, FUNDAMENTALLY!!! UNBELIVEABLE! WTF!!!!>. Next time come up with a better title then, ....

RADICAL DIFFERENCE = HOLY MADERUFGOT DAONGREID! euphemism ?!

i see : copy&pasta Title from the orginal source/article, still ... could have changed it a little.

[solar]

I clearly see a difference especially in the textures

[GarrusVakarian]

"I clearly see a difference especially in the textures"

In that comparison you do, but this is a much fairer comparison -

E3 screenshot -
http://cdn.dualshockers.com...

Newest build screenshot -
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-...

Clearly you can see that his jacket and beanie are the same in detail and texture. Delsins face also looks more detailed and has better skin tone in the newer build.

Compare E3 build to low quality YouTube stills then, obviously, you will see a difference.

[solar]

looks damn good, but the texture for the beanie looks far better in the first pic. 2nd pic it looks too flat.

[assdan]

I acknowledge that the graphics aren't quite as good, but theres a major problem with these screen shots. Mainly the fact that they are at different times of day. This makes it harder to tell how much worse shadows are changed.

[TheRedButterfly]

The environments still look great, but… but there's no denying the more-than-apparent drop in shading on the character models. They took a big hit.

[GarrusVakarian]

Character models did NOT take a hit......I can't believe people are actually using these low quality youtube stills as representation of the final game.

Newest build screenshot, direct feed 1080p (how it will look on your TV) -
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-...

Screenshot in the article from low quality, 720p youtube footage-
http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...

E3 build screenshot-
http://cdn.dualshockers.com...

The newest build looks better than both.......Cmon people......use a bit of common sense. Screenshots captured from a Youtube video is a stupid way of gauging how the game will actually look in person. There are direct feed screenshots everywhere that do that much more accurately.

[TheRedButterfly]

@Lukas

I didn't say that the models took a hit. I said the shaders on the models took a hit… And even then, they still look great.

Stop getting overly defensive.

[Amiroo]

what time of the day ? the game only has day and night, there is no sunset/midnight/sunrise etc...

[imt558]

It's very bad comparison. Build 2014 pictures are really bad quality. Look at 4th and 5th picture.

4th picture is in good quality, but 5th picture is in so bad quality that you can't see coat on his collar.

ABSOLUTELY THERE IS NO WORD ABOUT DOWNGRADE!

[ChronoJoe]

Having played this last week at a store, I can tell you all of these screenshots missrepresent the games visual fidelity. Click the images on the article, you'll see they're all pixelated and ugly, this is NOT how the game looks just these low-quality, compressed screenshots.

Check the video at the bottom of the article for a better representation.

[BallsEye]

I dont really care about graphics much but if you do not see a massive downgrade in lighting you are blind or in denial. You guys gotta stop pretending to be experts and talk bs when things are just so obvious. are almost nonexistent now and blurred. Also at e3 build there was some kind of global illumination, now everything is baked and flat. Don't blame it on time of the day. I work on Maya and 3ds daily,rendering all kinds of scenes using worlds most powerful renderer (vray) and changing time of the day do not make such dramatic differences. The truth is, lighting technique got changed from dynamic shadows and global illumination to baked. Can downvote me all you want but it won't change a thing. Get some knowledge. As for the game itself, probably will finally make me use my ps4 again...

[Azzanation]

The lighting and shadowing and the high res textures are clearly better on the E3 2013 version. Look at the 2013 faces and jeans? The jacket pockets and background seems to have proper shadows. They made it blend in the 2014 and the colour setting looks dull compared to the bright sunset images. The Jeans are the biggest differences I can see. 2014 has no textures on it compared to the 2013 which looks close to photo realistic. Guess they lose these great effects to run the game at 1080p. Pitty I would rather have the Lighting/shadowing and Textures of the 2013 and lose the 1080p.

[JsonHenry]

There is a very noticeable lack of shadow quality in the newest pictures. That stands out more than anything to me from looking at those pictures. The actual characters look the same but the lighting effects are obviously not the same.

[CyrusLemont]

E3 looks better, but the retail version still looks fantastic. However, the E3 version has the advantage of 1080p compressed YouTube screencaps as opposed to 720p compressed retail ones. This makes it a little difficult to see how fine the clothing and environment textures are in comparison to the E3 build.

I wonder if the day one patch will make any alterations to the visuals.

[Reverie990]

It appears to be more "flat" (for the lack of a better term) but that might just be time difference. I'll wait to see more.

[Patrick_pk44]

Delsin's face seems more mouldy and plastered in the current build.

[ArbitorChief]

Sony lied to us about how a game looks, my word, this has never happened before!?
>Killzone 2

Seriously, it's getting to the point where I can't trust anything I see at E3. Only company that seems to tell the truth these days is Nintendo.

[Cyb3r]

True I just hope that in future E3's they will actually show footage running on the consoles hardware instead of a high powered PC

[Abriael]

"lied" is simply flamebaitish nonsense.

In development things change. Effects gets moved, assets get shuffled and remade.

There's no "lie." If you think a final game will look exactly like the trailers from nine months before, you simply know nothing of this industry.

[ArbitorChief]

You'd think that logic would of applied to the XB1 titles, but that certainly didn't happen.

[kiz2694]

ArbitorCheif@

Are you being serious?

Both Forza 5 and Ryse both got downgraded since they reveal.

[OiNioB]

You missed the point completely

[coolbeans]

"Lied" would seem like the perfect word to use, especially since Guerrilla actually owned up to admitting the trailer was bs around KZ3's release.

http://www.destructoid.com/...

Edit: Wasn't that close to KZ3's release. Sorry.

[Patrick_pk44]

Are you saying downgrades are acceptable. When I am shown a product, I expect it to be exactly the same.

[HeWhoWalks]

To be perfectly honest, it seems like you knew exactly what you were doing, and the outcome that would accompany, when you wrote that headline. My viewpoint is only solidified in regards to how defensive YOU'VE been in here.

If you want to be treated like a professional author, be professional about it. You went on the attack because the "fanboys" when to town with the headline (and with posters like IrishGuy being someone who generally does just what he did in a Sony topic, it's no surprise you're getting the backlash that you are).

I'd suggest in the future, try conducting yourself with a little more humility.

[GarrusVakarian]

"You'd think that logic would of applied to the XB1 titles, but that certainly didn't happen."

Are you serious? Both Ryse and Forza 5 received graphical and technical downgrades from their E3 builds. Forza 5 being the biggest downgrade of next gen so far.

"My point was, why didn't his logic that's being applied here not be applied for the XB1 titles?"

Because this just looks like they have changed the lighting in the final build and/or changed the time of day/weather in that particular scene. Whereas Forza 5 had pretty much worse everything...because it was shown on PC's at E3, not X1 hardware.

[ArbitorChief]

Of course, I'm not disputing that, I'm saying it's pretty clear Infamous SS was downgraded as well, just look at the difference. My point was, why didn't his logic that's being applied here not be applied for the XB1 titles?

Are you kidding, look at the difference between in the last picture. Shadows in his face are gone, textures from his clothes is gone, just look at the beanies, a complete downgrade. This is 100% a downgrade and it's not a suprise.

[Mr-Dude]

@Lukas

You took the words right out of my mouth

[Gazondaily]

Its too esrly to tell whether its a downgrade. Id exercise caution in taking compressed Youtube images seriously.

Not long till the release. Let's just be patient. I reckon it'll look just as great as the E3 build.

[mkis007]

Well at least it's nice to see people finally noticing the difference between 1080p and 720p... thought "you couldn't tell"

and then there is the fact that it is compressed 720p.

[LoveOfTheGame]

@mkis
Only idiots and fanboys can't tell the difference beteween 1080 and 720.

What's much more pathetic are the people who think it makes or breaks a game.

[husomc]

the creator of this article is to be blamed for all this confusion. He's just getting a boat load of hits to his article by comparing direct feed high res images to badly compressed youtube feeds. those of you who haven't seen check out the video from which the screenshots were captured. the bloody thing was full of compression artifacts.

[SlyFamousthe3rd]

Youre joking right? you are saying that KZ2 didnt look better than what GG showed at E3 2006? "Lukas_Japonicus" has a nice little example of how Infamous SS looks now. Downgrade? I dont think so.

[GarrusVakarian]

People are seeing low quality, compressed youtube stills taken with different lighting conditions and a different time of day and screaming "DOWNGRADE!"...but if people actually took the time to look around, they would see that's not the case.

Pretty much every gameplay vid that SP has shown in the past month or so looks better than the E3 build. Lighting, textures, voice acting, and gameplay all look better.

Haters gon' hate. This is the best looking open world game so far this gen, will be for some time and it's one of the best looking games overall...some people just can't handle that and will do anything to try and downplay it.

[rdgneoz3]

"low quality, compressed youtube stills taken with different lighting conditions and a different time of day"

And in 720p, when the game is coming out in 1080p... Of course 720p compressed youtube looks worse than 1080p uncompressed direct feed...

[mkis007]

Eh the only people who are screaming downgrade (as long as they understand it is 720p compressed vs 1080p direct feed they are seeing) are the ones who don't care about this game or want it to fail.

People did this to killzone SF and were proven wrong...looks so much better than those prerelease comparisons people were making with bad quality captures.

[abzdine]

retail version of KZ2 trounces the e3 trailer in every way.
now you butthurt fanboys are coming here at every article about a console you dont own just trolling for free. does it hurt you this much? :D

[rdgneoz3]

Sad how the game used to say Sony lied in the past is one people unanimously say exceeded it's target render.

[ObiWanaTokie]

And CD projektRed!

If nintendo were pulling stunts like this they would probably become Japanese exclusive as it seems everyone is put off by drastically false info. but its happened for a while now

[GTgamer]

Back in my day we would not compare HD pics with compressed YouTube Pics (•ิ_•ิ).

[Abriael]

Too bad all the pictures in the comparison come from Youtube. From the first to the last.

Oops.

[GTgamer]

Just wait til the game releases or find uncompressed pics from the final build.

[Abriael]

@GTgamer: why should we? Compression doesn't influence lighting, nor changes the environments, and that's where most of the difference is.

I think you're just grasping at straws.

[GTgamer]

@abriael
Who is this We? And yes you Should you show us these washed out uncompressed 720p images from YouTube of all places and say hey guys I got a comparison, look above @lukas_jonicus he already posted a uncompressed pic showing way more detail than your pics :/ but hey what do I know apparently I'm grasping at straws. Dude I'm not attacking you or anything like that I always agree with you on this Site but come on bro me and you both know you could of got better pics for comparison you already got some people screaming downgrade.

[pedrof93]

Abriel is right, he meant the lightining and enviroments only.

[ddgaming820]

You obviously don't know how YouTube looks.

Of course the one from Sony looks better, the video file was most like 10GB, it looks better than 50MB being compressed.

*sigh*

[Evilsnuggle]

Abriael
You Have just drop The ball with your Clearly Flamebait article. Even noobs know that youtube video quality is unreliable. You can watch a video on one YouTube channel . They watch the same video on a different youtube channel and the video can look completely different in quality. I routinely look for the best Quality of resolution of the same video on YouTube Have you not done the same. Your argument that they both come from YouTube is irrelevant and don't hold water. Because video quality varies from channel to channel on YouTube. The video could be duplicated or copy many times Before it was put on YouTube or human era in recording the video can also damage the quality of the video. We all remember Digital foundry fiasco With the youtube video quality of Battlefield 4 . The x1 Battlefield 4 youtube look better than the PS4's Battlefield 4 youtube . Because of human era made by Digital foundry. When the Direct feed video was released by Digital Foundry The PS4 version was far superior to X1. The only way to receive reliable quality video is By downloading of direct feed video. You should know that youtube is compress video an unreliable.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Digital Foundry Admits To Botching Battlefield 4 PS4/XB1 Video ... http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...

[Allsystemgamer]

compression makes everything blurry. therefore the shadows will appear blurry. Downscaling ALSO makes images blurry. Time of Day ALSO needs to be considered. SP has already stated it has a dynamic time of day. Shadows are fewer and less harsh during sunset which is CLEARlY what your shots are.

Why the heck you wouldnt use DIRECT FEED comparisons is absolute flamebait for those who know nothing about how compression and resolutions work.

in short?
YES compression and resolution will effect the differences.Same with TOD

Im in school for film and have done many videos for pay. I work with resolutions and seeing the differences compression has is astonishing. for example...Going from RAW video and converting it to h.264 for transferring causes massive loss in everything

[iamnsuperman]

@Abriael

I am usually a supporter of dualshockers (your not a bad website). But whatever your trying to compare here (which doesn't matter) using youtube shots is a terrible and very amateurish thing to do

[Eonjay]

Yeah, the scenes look really different. Some scenes have light sources coming from different directions. Even the shape of Delsin's face is different. The color of the light seems more natural (original looks like a white spotlight shining down) and certain land formations have been altered. Also, his skin tone (He is Native American) seems a bit better to me in the newer version... but again that could just be lighting.

[Majin-vegeta]

Yea you really cant compare them.Youtube is crap when it comes to this.Wish people would you use Gamersyde(Think that's what its called)when doing this stuff.

[Abriael]

Youtube doesn't change the lighting. Doesn't move light sources and shadows around. It doesn't add or remove elements of the environment.

Might want to use some logic there. We're not talking about resolution or definition, and that's all Youtube influences.

[generic-user-name]

Giuseppe I presume? It's your featured image that is causing the backlash. After looking at your article I can see you're talking about the environments (although why a change of day is mentioned I find odd and less significant). But just going by your featured image it looks like you're comparing 1080p screens to compressed youtube video.

[Abriael]

@generic-user-name: maybe people should read the articles instead of flaming over featured images.

Normally it helps.

[plaZeHD]

Youtube does change the contrast and resolution and that affects both the lighting and shadows.
But it was clearly a bit downgraded.

[kenshiro100]

Youtube is crap. It does change the lighting and screws up the quality.

[plaZeHD]

You know what I was just being stupid it's actually upgraded.
http://static.gamespot.com/...

[LanceLegstrong]

Radical, dude!

[Dark11]

Oh boy , if you think this downgrade is bad wait till you see the order.

[Mr-Dude]

You have a timemachine and seen this?

[GW212]

Still won't be anywhere near as bad as Ryse or Forza.

[adorie]

Dunno about Ryse, but dem Forza V crowds are looking mortal kombat, circa 1992.

[lonewolfjedi]

are these direct feed screenshots?

[GarrusVakarian]

Not sure about the first, but the 2nd definitely isn't, it's taken from compressed, 720p, washed out Youtube footage.

This is what the game looks like in cutsecnes, direct feed 1080p-

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-...

Some people just want to watch this game burn.

[lonewolfjedi]

why didn't dualshockers just wait till they got some direct feed uncompressed footage then compare? thats fucking stupid to use youtube footage.

[PaleMoonDeath]

Idiots, the time of day is different, changing colors and shades as you'd expect, I totally just one thousand yard stared these images for no true reason, things have been added to the game, and the time of day in the retail game is
different to the E3 scenes.

You people worry sometimes, you truly do.

[Kayant]

That's what am seeing also. The time of day in the new build is closer to evening/dusk while the E3 build was midday.

You can tell from the lack of more pronounced shadows in the background.

[PaleMoonDeath]

The entire color palette is different simply due to the time of day, shades on the characters are gone because the sun is setting.

The insult is I have to tell these people how shadows and colors work, going by the added little details on Delsin & his brother, the game looks better than it did at E3, ..waiting for the game has made me hostile, beware.

[Kayant]

Are both those screenshots from 1080p footage because the new one doesn't look like it.

Having said that the assets look on par with the E3 build. The lighting or should I say time of day looks different from the E3 build.

Apart from that the shadows along the face is the stand-out difference could be due to the change in the time of day.

[MCTJim]

I noticed this about 2 weeks ago when they were all going on about KZ. I dont care if they are downgraded in the least. My PS4 needs some love and this game will do it. Buying it regardless of what was downgraded or changed.

[Pug]

Looks awesome, don't know what the fuss is about.

[SunnyRain]

Because its SONY right?

[GW212]

Actually it's Sucker Punch. Just happens to be on the stronger console thus allowing it to look this awesome.

[GentlemenRUs]

Image is of a highly compressed youtube video... Not a direct feed.

Jesus, Can we stop this BS please?

[Tedakin]

Youtube compression removed all the shadows and realistic lighting? Damn.

[SlyFamousthe3rd]

Nope but then again shadows and realistic lighting isnt the only things that brings quality to a game is it, the textures are affected as well.

[Abriael]

I'm not sure I'd call the original lighting "realistic."

It's stronger and more direct. Not necessarily more or less realistic.

[Grave]

Radical is a bit of a stretch. Slight different due to time of day would be more appropriate.

[Tedakin]

Actually the time of day doesn't change, it's scripted and not dynamic like GTA.

[Grave]

Well then they scripted it to be at a different time of day then hehe. Just look at where the shadows are casting.

[PersonMan]

The developers even came out and said that they choose the time of day based on the feeling they want to get for the particular mission.

[TomRL]

Wow, the old version looks soooo much better. I'm willing to believe that the retail shot is from a compressed youtube video, as stated above.

Maybe Duelshockers want to ride on the potential downgradegate that may be coming.

[Tedakin]

Forza, Watch Dogs, now this. Downgradeation is a sad new word in the gaming vocabulary.

[Angeljuice]

It isn't a word at all, (it doesn't exist in the English language at least). Degradation fits so no need for nonsensical made-up words.

Also there is NO downgrade evident here at all, in fact it looks better in many ways.

[Bathyj]

Is this what we've been reduced to?

[Silly gameAr]

Pretty sad right?

[CrossingEden]

I'm seriously starting to lose faith in E3 demos and trailers. And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Quantum Break or The Division also gets a downgrade. And thanks to @Abriael for pointing out that the fact that it's a youtube video doesn't change the fact that the lighting has taken a hit.

This is EXACTLY what happened to Dark Souls 2.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
Without the dynamic lighting in effect the backgrounds and character models look much flatter and less realistic than e3 builds.

OT

The same thing can be said for this game. The main areas where the e3 build look better are definitely in the background objects and in the lighting, the earlier build definitely is showing off some dynamic lighting and quite possibly higher fidelity character models because even the jacket pockets and collars of Delsin and Reggie are casting their own independent shadows. Also background objects like the totem pole, trees, and boardwalk have WAY more depth to them thanks to the lighting in the e3 build compared to the leaked version. Ffs even the bird house is reacting dynamically to the lighting in the e3 build. I remember being wowed by the e3 trailer and going like "Holy **** even the birdhouse is casting it's own shadow."

Sorry, but if I had the choice I would choose dynamic lighting over the pre-baked lighting. It would really help this game's graphics have a lasting appeal, because the honest truth is that we'll look back years from now and harshly criticize things like the lighting and lack of dynamic shadows.

All of that being said, this game still has taken a huge step forward in characterization and storytelling and I still have the limited edition digitally pre-ordered and can't wait to play the final game to see how it all ends. And for those of you how haven't watched the first 20 minutes of the game, I can assure you that the facial animation has not been gimped in anyway.

[GarrusVakarian]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Go to 12 minutes 14 seconds...the PIECE OF PAPER is casting dynamic shadows on the ground.

"and quite possibly higher fidelity character models"

Nope, character models are better, Delsins face is incredibly detailed (you can ever see the pores in his face and the fine weave of the beanie) and has a better tone, he looks ill in the E3 build, like he has a liver problem-

http://www.pcgames.de/scree...

"jacket pockets and collars of Delsin and Reggie are casting their own independent shadows. "

http://s01.riotpixels.net/d...

His clothes still cast independent shadows. You would know that if you bothered looking. Even in the screeenhots in this article you can see shadows being cast in the creases of clothes. Open your eyes and stop being incredibly biased.

They may have changed the lighting conditions in that scene since the E3 build, but to call it "downgraded" is silly. Changing the time of day/weather is not a downgrade.

[Kayant]

Oh so you're back to trolling again.

Let's see here -->

Watch this scene at 1:49 https://www.youtube.com/wat...
and the look at this at 8:12 ---> http://www.dailymotion.com/...

And tell me how that is a downgrade when you can clearly see it's a different time of the day so the lighting will be different, shadows will be different, colours will be different etc.

Until there is daytime footage there we can see if SP's claims of shadows are right and if its' similar to the E3 gameplay demo. And if there is a downgrade.

"Sorry, but if I had the choice I would choose dynamic lighting over the pre-baked lighting£" - They have already said that they control the time of day based on the missions. So it was it was never fully dynamic. The lighting will obviously be different saying that it doesn't match the E3 demo in lighting is stupid because it's a different time of the day with sun covered more by clouds so of course it's no going to be as bright as the E3 footage.

Edit - Anyway there hasn't even been enough footage from pre-E3 to claim they went from dynamic lighting to a now static lighting one.

The amount of reaching you do is amazing seriously.

[Oner]

Just to add an additional dynamic shadow portion that I haven't seen anyone else post yet...just watch from 9:32-9:36 when Delsin crosses in front of the school bus in the tunnel (during gameplay) ~ http://youtu.be/04Bi72v46sE...

[MegaSackman]

This is a campaing made from Ubisoft. Im seeing one of this articles about every game every day since the Watch Dogs trailer.

[payikick]

Such a shame I had such high graphical expectations for this game, Ps4 is my console of choice but facts are facts the time of day has absolutely nothing to do with the fidelity of textures and objects on screen.

Sad day indeed.........

[PS3and4_HAS_GAMES]

And the oscar for the best over dramatic post goes to.......payikick!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[payikick]

Thank you, Thank you!! I would like to thank the academy and all the fans for their support. LOL

[parentsbasement]

That's it ! im done with Sony! I just un-Qued it from Gamefly ! How can I be expected to play it now??? /s

[sander9702]

It looks better now then it did before IMO

[SharnOfTheDEAD]

Still looks better than Watchdogs

[PS3and4_HAS_GAMES]

Looks better than titanfall too

[GW212]

That's not saying very much. Titanfall looks last gen.

This looks better than any game on any console. Period.

[Bathyj]

And everything else.

[feraldrgn]

Lighting looks less harsh in the newer build,
it could also be time of day I guess.

Aside from that there are different details in places.
Not a downgrade.

[PS3and4_HAS_GAMES]

Lol @ these xbox fanboys just dying for any negativity towards a sony game. I know its been down hill for xbox one since day one but trying to make this post a big deal is too damn funny lol. You guys are getting desperate.

[Stoppokingme]

And so it begins...

First it was resolution, now it's 'downgrading'. Are people not satisfied unless they have something to bitch about?

Personally I think it looks great despite the rumors.

[LordMaim]

What rumors? Look at the uncompressed videos and pictures, and there's no sign of a downgrade.

[Ninver]

Dat last minute boost.

[pornflakes]

Well, dont care.. the main thing it runs in 1080p xD

To bad The Order is in 900p.. PS4 owenrs wont buy it since the yonly care about resolution :(

[TristanPR77]

That's a lie there. PS4 owners cares about resolution and Gameplay. The order at 900p looks more impressive than anything already shown in the xbone so there is no problem with the game.

Also, xbone fanboys don't care about resolution because their console can't handle next gen resolution, simply as that.

[shivvy24]

Its not 900p

[TomRL]

Lol, judging by N4G, you would think that. The Order is actually running far closer to 1080p than it is 900p though.

Also, what is up with the edit made by the submitter. We know it does not say downgraded in any way. But it is clear that the images of the retail release look far worse than the E3 trailer. The submitter, Abriael, is basically saying we are not allowed to make an opinion on the compared images. Lol, the audacity.

[alti]

can't tell if trolling or deliberately being a hypocrite.

[imt558]

Nope, it's 1080p in 21:9 ratio. Sell that bullshit somewhere else.

[hiphopisdead]

lol. the order isn't 900p. it's 1080p with with wide aspect ratio. in case you don't know the difference:

- 900p gets upscaled/stretched to fit your 1080p tv.

The Order does not do this. the image will be a 1080p crystal clear image.

just a friendly fyi

[nerdman67]

The resolution is 1920 x 800, but since they put the black bars in, it will appear as though it was 1080p in theory because it will not be scaled poorly

[PersonMan]

Different time of day... shadows are even in different places.

You guys are ridiculous. Ragging on a game because they changed it to a sunset instead of mid-day.

[cla2]

No BIG difference besides the lightning. Maybe it's only because of the time of day..

[SourShoes]

I didn't watch the leak, but everyone on GAF says it looks absolutely amazing. ND-like production values and storytelling. First 25 minutes of gameplay are converting people who were on the fence. Turn up the hype! Trolls GTFO.

[FlunkinMonkey]

It converted me big time brother.. Very surprised ho good that 20 minutes was. Don't watch it, save it.

[Ma1nframe]

Ok not that I care about Infamous but this 'bullshotting' and downgrading is really starting to become worrisome. First we have Watch Dogs which looks like a PS3 game now Infamous? Oh my...this is not good. I see a trend here and I don't like it one bit.

So sick and tired of bullshotting and developers souping up promotional footage knowing full well that they will never be able to re-create it on ACTUAL ps4 hardware.

I know we are all really early into the 'next gen' and by launch console standards the graphics are nice but I was expecting a really big leap in graphical fidelity even from launch titles and early releases. Their so so much more power in the PS4 vs the PS3 but so far, the graphical comparasions between PS3 and PS4 games are almost impossible to notice.

I'm a huge sony supporter and I love the PS4 and LOL @ the x BONE but I will admit that I was expecting games to look much better much quicker then what is actually happening. In a few years we will all look back and laugh at the launch title graphics and I nkow it takes time for the dev's to get there so I can be patient, but it is kind of odd that the PS3/shitbox/PS4/x BONE/ titles look pretty much the same. Not sure if their has to be 'parity' between the old gen and the new or the devs just have not figured out how to make games look amazing...yet..

I guess time will tell.

[MelvinTheGreat]

I dont understand your hatred for the xbox....? And if you want graphics its been quite clear that pc is the way to go, my skyrim looks better than any game on xb1/ps4

[Mr-Dude]

As a console owner, I agree. If you want to have truly uber graphics buy a awesome rig. Every game runs at 1080p or higher and 144 FPS...

Every gamer knows this...

[DarkLord1003]

Yeah - I call BS...
What a stupid article. It's clearly a different time. I really start to hate gaming sites and the whole gaming business. I quit..

[InTheLab]

I'd just like to point out that this is the same Dualshockers that a select few here seems to believe have an agenda in favor of Sony. In reality, this site seams to call it like it is...

[candy_mafia]

I prefer how it looks now. The E3 version looks dark and has less clothing details. The lighting looks like the only major change.

[MelvinTheGreat]

Not doutb there has been a downgrade, a blind man can see that. Do i think that the donwgrade visuals will take away from the experience? Absolutely....Not. This game is gonna be great either way! Makes me envious i dont have a ps4!

[Petebloodyonion]

Here a quick question to you all

How many gamers, who shall own this game, will pause the game in midplay and try to compare it to a damn screenshot from a previous to see if there's a difference?

My thought exactly!

[Lawboy2]

some ppl need to get a life....im tired of ppl trying to bring good games down before they even release...the game looks amazing period...

[babis1974]

There are many people out there who are waiting to "downgrade" this game . This is so sad. Everybody wait until the game is out, then you can be "judge dredd".

[brandonb21]

heres the first 20mins of game play from the PS share button.

[Inception]

I just watched it and it's look great. Nothing like the pictures from dualshockers.

But that's the thing. I mean, if a retail version already leaked, than why not capture the screenshots or even videos straight from the PS4?
Why must compare it with blurry screenshots from youtube?
It's like trying to deceive people not to buy the game because the graphic "looks" downgraded

Oh well, i will check it by myself when i got my copies. I'm sad though that dualshockers degraded into this low.

[curtis92]

God, gamers are the worst.

[DarkLord1003]

My words exactly!

[goldwyncq]

Is "downgrading" the new controversy now? Get a grip people, stop believing everything you read in the internet and I assure you that your lives would be much better.

[OsirisBlack]

So now were comparing compressed 720p youtube videos to E3 stuff? Seems like flame bait to me.

[sgtGanGreen]

Realy is downgraded. Look at the shadows on people. There is none. And Face details. Veins on hands, there is none

[bleedsoe9mm]

if you look at those screen shots and don't think the game has been downgraded from E3 your smokin too much sony weed

[malokevi]

Lukas to the rescue! lol

I dont even care. I didn't think the gameplay looked that amazing to begin with.

[Master-Tonberry]

It's not downgraded it's just different. Different time of day which has changed the lighting/shadow intensity and direction. Character models have been tweaked and IMO look better and some of the scenes are in completely different locations making comparisons very difficult. In terms of texture details you can't really judge it fairly using a heavily compressed video. Footage dumped with the share button is not great to start with and then YouTube/Dailymotion will compress it even more.

[purp13m0nk3y]

Final version looks sensational! Not sure if much has changed other than the time of day and some small texture/model refinement (the character models in particular look much more natural and believable in the 2014 version).

But the IQ of the final version is very impressive. Overall I think the lighting change for this cut scene was a good choice from a story telling point of view. You can make out the subtleties of the characters expressions much better. In the original footage much of the detail was lost in the heavy shadows.

It's clearly not some sort of "downgrade"! If anything this just showcases how impressive and diverse the lighting this engine can produce. Stupid fanboys will look for any excuse to try and downplay this amazing looking game. Jealousy much?!

I Can't wait to play this. Been one of my most anticipated games since I saw the original reveal.

[AntsPai]

Had this on preorder for quite some time, really sad to see how much it's been downgraded. :/ I hope this isn't the future for The Division and Destiny too :(

[linkenski]

To me the 2014 versions looks worse, but not graphically... it seems like in 2013 they had all those scenes set up for certain lighting scenarios that made it look much more crisp while, now, to integrate the scenes better within the campaign of the full game they had to switch around lighting and whatnot.

Either way, I would not be surprised if graphics aren't exactly as good as they looked in the early footage. Same happened last gen, most notably with Killzone 2 for instance (okay, that was a tech-demo and then the game came out looking prettier, but not as dynamic, but oh well)

[johny5]

XBOX fanboys want to spin things again?

Firstly this is from a compressed Youtube video so if there any detail differences there smudged out because of compression!

Lastly there is a difference in lighting that much is seen but how is it a downgrade when they also changed locations in the game to probably fit the story better?

[mister_zolos]

i just fill a bit disappointed....i see next gen game start with the wow factor on them and by the time the game is out it gets downgrade...i will keep my ps4 just for ps plus and maybe some other game that will worth my money...right now i wish i dident buy ps4 and stick with a upgrade of my pc (ps fun boys and any other fan boys out there(xbox,nintendo) get a life and be a gamer)

[SunnyRain]

Now that its SONY we are supposed to be ok with this? GTFO!! this is a downgrade anyone who plays on PC can see this the depth of field looks much worst even the textures you console only players on these sites are nothing but fanboys I don't want to hear anything about any resolution anymore from you corporate slaves.

SONY was about to do the same ting MS did but they were cornered and confronted just look at this.. at least Nintendo never lied to you with bull shots even if their console is doing poor.

[No_Limit]

It looks fine, a slight downgrade in shadow and texture but this game will score over 80 plus on metacritics. It will be fine people, I am sure it is going to be an excellent and fun game.

[Condemnedman]

Not buying it anyway so I don't care

[SoCalledMe]

Say whatever u want , but not even yt-s crappy compresion can remove shadows or make game look flatter , and dont say it's different time of the day cuz its not dynamic so what u see in afther shots is the only thing youll get to see ..an it is a downgrade , it looks worse but still looks nice , light/shadow quality is clearly toned down

[cell989]

The only difference I see here are contrast levels. Seems like different times of the day, like direct sunlight vs sunset

[Meltic]

are u kidding me. Why have they downgrade the game?. Looked better at e3

[SunnyRain]

Resolution is a big deal now I guess and frame rate.

[metatronx]

we will know in less than a week :)

[hogfan76]

Just watch the video graphics are amazing! Please also remember this is the 1st generation of the new systems wow what did you expect? Third and fourth year is when you'll see a big difference.

[mkis007]

Yes the time of day isn't dynamic...but they obviously made a design choice to change the time of day for the scene in the last 9 months...it just looks different...not downgraded...get over it...looks awesome.

[Datruth187]

Downgrade Confirmed

[windblowsagain]

The game hasn't been downgraded at all.

Judging a game based on a crap quality youtube video,rofl.

Dualshockers should know better.

If you don't know what your talking, obviously it's all about hits now. Then don't speak.

I've seen enough Directfeed 1080p footage to know how stunning this game really is.

[Saithraphim]

I'll wait to get my copy to judge. I have seen so many live game plays that were beautiful to really buy into this too much.

[Tempest317]

This...I watched the 24 minute retail video last night, amd all I have to say is: Who gives a shit IF it was downgraded? If this is downgraded then sign me up! Its the best looking console title to be released (when it is released) to date, and not by a small margin either imo. The first true next gen game, and it shows. I dont care if the game thats released is half what they said it would be at e3, its still beautiful and is looking damn good in the gameplay dept.

[HackedLife]

When did developers start signing contracts with the gaming community that anything they show at E3 is 100% representative of the final shipping product?

[KontryBoy706]

I don't know if people are going to look at this as a downgrade, it kinda somewhat is to me. It's certainly not an upgrade that's for sure. But... it's no where near the fiasco known as Watch Dogs.

[Hakoom]

the images arent even in HD
i never judge images based on snapshots or videos
but i wuld like to see the game infront of me to judge it

[OC_MurphysLaw]

In fairness if we are going to rake Watchdogs over the coals then we have to be willing to look at other games. "If" the screenshots in this are indicitive of the final product vs what we saw at E3 2013 then yes clearly we are seeing a downgrade in visuals.

That said... I dont think that really should matter too much for PS4 owners. This is an exclusive coming to your platform so its not like there is a "better" version and any visual change is not a statement of final product or fun factor for a game.

[OsirisBlack]

I hate to be negative towards you all but someone taking screenshots from 720p compressed youtube video and comparing them against anything is complete and utter fail. All of you screaming downgrade and eating this up are going to be pretty embarrassed come this Friday. There is no game on either PS4 or XB1 that looks as good as infamous SS.

http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

Downgrades... Yea. @the Author ... next time try using Direct feed Images instead of the blame bait BS you posted.

[metatronx]

We should wait until the game releases, then we can judge for ourselves :)

[DJ]

This is a great lesson in mood lighting. Check out the removal of the '5 oclock shadows' and how the color tones hint at the emotional tone of the scene.

Removing that carnival ride in the background of that one shot also helps me focus on the character.

[CJDUNCAN]

The game still looks great, and the video was pretty nice. Infamous SS, looks to be the first true next-gen experience, from a graphical standpoint and gameplay not being sacrificed for looks.

[justicefanboyX]

god really? this images arent even in hd good try though to create the same ms dowongrades news of the latest months for ps4

[BX81]

To me this looks like a downgrade from e3. That's not what bothers me with this. It's a huge open world game I don't expect it to be the best looking thing ever but I'm tired of companies showing us games that don't even look close to what it'll actually look like. Stop trying to trick us a$$holes.

[R17]

Damn All these games were really proped up for E3 but developers are realizing the limiatations of the BOTH consoles now. Or sadly they always knew but have been lying about what these systems can do.

[corroios]

dualshockers are amateurs for trying something like this. They want clicks for their website and then they come out with an update, but its too late.

How can you compare something like this...

Of course that the xbox fans will try downgrade the hype of next gen game. If the flagship of the PS4 run at 792 it would be the end of the world...

[ozstar]

The fact that you must use a disclaimer clearly shows your intention in using the word "difference" wasn't the problem.

It was the word "radical", proceeding it, that was the issue.

Reported - I see a problem with the title (and especially the timing).

[RVanner_]

Approaching from a completely neutral standpoint as I dont have a PS4 yet and won't be getting this game, at least for now. The E3 version overall does look better. I think the new lighting is quite overpowering and hides the details. The E3 version is a far more natural light allowing shadows and texture details to standout. So I think it has been slightly downgraded yes but it isn't huge.

[Tzuno]

bullshit i see clearly a downgrade, ps4 is nothing more than a high end laptop that cannot do what they promise. end of story.

[PS4FEVER]

game looks fantastic watching the leak demo

[Dr_Yo]

Anyone notice how most games show pretty trailers in the beginning to attract people, and then it becomes worse on the retail version? People should see that by now ...

[mad-dog]

well, people will never stop to compare a screen from a youtube vid with a press release screen.

All we can definitely say here is that the lighting is different.

We can't say for sure that this is because the PS4 can't do lighting (lol) or if might be a nother time of day. Or an artistic choice..

[Chupa-Chupa]

Please release the E3 Verions, looks way way better.

[Darrennev]

just shows what lying shits they all are, Microsoft and Sony

[Jovanian]

Sony doing bullshtos. Who woulda thunk it!

Also, 30 fps. Lol

[danny818]

Hope its the video compression. If not it looks like a ps3 game -.-

[MilkMan]

Man, that's a BIG difference son. They should really stop showing all these hyped up E3 cgi promos and then hitting us with shit.
Just be honest right from the git and save yourself the backlash.

You can bounce back from honesty, you cant from a lie.

[kenshiro100]

The amount of nonsense that goes on is astounding. I saw the trailer myself and the game looks amazing. Stop looking at compressed youtube videos.

[lemoncake]

E3 version looked way better, guess we will all know soon enougth for sure though when we play it

[S2Killinit]

Now that Titanfall has come n gone, the MS fanboys have realized that it wasnt all that it was hyped up to be n their system has nothing to look forward to, so they are trying real hard to bash what they dont have

[bligmerk]

The xbox fanbois are butthurt over the actual graphics downgrades for Ryse and Titanfail, so they have to do their usual crybaby turnaround on the next big PS4 title. Anybody that has played inFamous knows there are massive changes in time of day lighting and the landscape differences between playing for good and playing for evil. That is just one of the things that make inFamous what it is, the dynamic changes always going on.

[hello12]

Why post x box fans are at fault when this was posted by non x box fans get real. Accept it may not be as good as what was shown at E3, so what. Most games shown at E3 were running on PC hardware anyways.

Ryse was not much of a downgrade to be honest it looked fairly good at the end.

People who are not fanboy's still claim its best looking game so far.

[system22]

haha i like how this about the ps4 and yet you still throw xb1 fanboys into it. listen. ryse... even running at 1600x900 looks amazing. still one of the best looking games i've seen on the new consoles and yes I own both. Secondly, Titanfall isn't the isn't the prettiest game I've seen but it still looks really great. even more than anything it is a fucking riot. I haven't touched anything since buying it. Even after launch its still getting more free coverage than 2nd Son is having to buy. Its hugely successful and honestly, its the first must have game for the new systems. Believe me when I tell you this. Yes the ps4 runs a couple cross platform launch titles a bit sharper but its going to be a nonissue within 6 months or at least going forward. even titanfall is getting patched up to probably 1080p soon. the ps4 is not so much more powerful than the xbox one that when you boot it up, your retinas burn. The differences in graphics are honestly really minor. When more xbox one games are in 1080p the small differences will be even less noticeable. Stop being a dipshit fanboy. Both systems have a lot to offer any gamer with an open mind. Thats why i bought both of them. Right now though, the xb1 is definitely getting more love in my house. - at least til ps4 gets some better titles.

[leemo19]

Image are taken from the video at low compression so of course the images won't look good. All that has been done is the lighting changed, trees on the rocks on the new build where as the e3 didn't have them, some other things as well. People need to calm down just wait till the game is out for you to play, before making judgements left and right.

[IIZANGETSUII]

IDK how people are suprprised by this, its a common practice by Sony, excpect the same thing for The Order, a downgrade no matter how you look at it, don give me that crap about "its just the lighting and dif time of the day" no ITS NOT you just need to look at the previous version to see that theres more detail in the faces and especially on the jacket, remember this?

http://images.lazygamer.net...
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http://images.lazygamer.net...
http://images.lazygamer.net...

Companies change "the lighting effects" for the final version of their game to hide the obvious downgrade, same thing all over again.

[windblowsagain]

really wow.

Is that all you could find,lol.

Most Sony games actually do look like their early shows, obviously not everything. Depends how early the concept is made on PC before they have final specs/dev kits running.

Infamous SS looks better now then it did at E3.

Your looking at a low quality youtube version.

This is what the game looks like on your screen.

http://images.gamersyde.com...

[IIZANGETSUII]

"Most Sony games actually do look like their early shows" Yeah sure, first Killzone 2, then Uncharted 3 and no ISS just to name a few, its ok buddy w/e you say.

[ClutchGawd]

Bad lighting? If the scene is darker then naturally the lighting will not be as good as a mid day scene. You don't go outside at night and question why the trees shadow is gone or why the sun light is bad. Y'all reaching

[lemoncake]

Yes because at night that tree doesnt have a shadow, shadows only come out during the day, if I walk outside under the pale moonlight at night I see no shadows... oh wait yes I do!!

[Silly gameAr]

Just have to wait until it comes out I guess.

[Razjin]

It's funny how sucker punch mentioned they downgraded the shadows and day/night cycle for the particles and graphics/resolution and now all of a sudden a comparison comes up and people are on the fritz..... Smh i sure hope game developers stop making games and so that the ppl complaining can get the education to make there own games so they may be satisfied.

[UsUcK]

Wow the ps3 graphics look awesome.

[mysteryraz11]

looks better then the old build the character models are way more detailed they changed the time of day on the pics though

[Gamer666]

As long as the frame rate is above 30 fps, and the resolution is 720p or greater, it is perfectly fine. There seems to be differences in the graphics. Some better, some worse...

I'm sure it will be a game worth owning!

[xtheblackparade]

Oh my...lucky I wasn't planning on buying this. Why would they do this? Ps4 is capable enough.

[metatronx]

you arent going to buy even if it's good anyway :)

[system22]

yes... thats it. they said "ya know. these graphics are too good. lets lower the quality a bit.... has nothing to do with the actual power of the system. of course ps4 fanboys think the thing can out perform super computers while curing cancer.

[Huck24]

Grrr why do the images look so whited out!?

This alone won't revert my interest away from this game, but I really dislike that new "bleached" look. Deeper blacks are a much more attractive visual feature imo.

[Ra3030]

OMG!,....the author of this post is right. There is a difference. I like the after much, much better. I wasn't going to get this title but after seeing these images and them looking so awesome I can't wait to get it. I just pre ordered it on PSN.
Thanks Author for this well researched post. Don't mind those that post hate and call you a used nasty dbag and other names saved for the typical Xbox one owners. That kinda stuff is just a normal day in the console war. . Pay no attention to them. You did well.

[nerdman67]

Okay, the textures are clearly muddier.
People have to at least recognize that.
The time of day wont make something appear more or less muddy

[Zack_attack]

I guess I would prefer the prior footage.

[Zack_attack]

I guess the prior footage looks better. The lighting does not look as intense.

[purp13m0nk3y]

Lols @ the fanboys grasping at straws!

There is no downgrade. If both versions were at the same time of day you'd be all be praising how well polished the final version is.

The the only big difference in visuals is all lighting. In fact if you look carefully you will notice that the character models/textures are actually of a higher quality in the final build.

Also the lighting/shadows in the 2013 build look quite unrealistic. The shadows are way too heavy. That's not how people look standing in full sunlight.

The final build doesn't lack shadows, they are just in different places because the light coming from a different angle and it's much more diffuse being sunset or dusk.

[Gunstar75]

There seems to be a loss of shadow effects, the lighting effects have been lost.

Maybe it's that pesky fog blocking the sunlight??

Lol... sorry for being a bit troll-like, but you guys dined out for weeks on a far less obvious forza downgrade.

You reap what you sow.
(goodbye bubble)

Lolololl

[rocky047586]

Can everyone declaring "downgrade" hush for one second and check this video out. http://youtu.be/YuoaTagkgOI there is not a graphical downgrade, so let's move on now.

[Azzanation]

E3 has dynamic shadowing, looking at there faces and how the shadow wraps around there face is a huge difference. 2014 version lacks that. Well of course wouldn't be the case on a PC.

[rocky047586]

Would you please look at the video I posted above your comment? It will show you that you are dead wrong. Nothing is lacking other than YT screenshots lacking.

[Azzanation]

Are you denying the fact the E3 screen shots are showing full lighting on everything and even the Jeans on the main character look the completely different?

[rocky047586]

The screenshots don't matter. It's taken from a Youtube video that's not even displaying the image correctly. If I take the video I showed on here and take pictures of it, it will look better since my TV is actually 1080p and much bigger than a monitor. The video I provided puts these screens to rest bro, PM me if you want to continue this conversation since you don't have any more bubbles.

[shotime97]

YEP DOWNGRADE

[player002]

lol 940 degrees but not on front page or at all on top row or extended for hot topics...buried deep in site smh how does this site keep getting away with this obvious bias ...smh

[TRYNDAREUS]

Looks like they removed shadows. Even in the footage, you can clearly see no shadows on anything.

[windblowsagain]

IIZANGETSUII

UC3 looks exactly the same, other then different times of day and art.

https://www.youtube.com/wat... Before full engine development.

https://www.youtube.com/wat... While being developed.

Your clutching.

[system22]

haha fanboys are getting so psycho they have to put big red disclaimers up on the article. what a f'ing joke.

[Deadpool616]

As if they didn't expect this reaction when they posted this article.

[TotalHavoc]

Just console war fodder. Images from people who have the game because of the broken street date, images that are uncompressed, show it looks just as good if not better. Why do people keep wanting to tear each console and every game down? Competition ensures you get better games and keeps prices from getting out of hand more than they already are.

[Keregan]

Once again it seems devs had to cut into the texture to make sure it reach 1080p. It's clearly downgraded from what we saw at e3

[H0RSE]

lol, funny (or sad) how the author had to post an update to soothe the butthurt and/or overly defensive reactions, all of which could have been avoided if reading comprehension was applied instead of relying on emotions resulting in kneee-jerk reactions.

[GeraltofRivia]

wow a next gen game with low end 5 year gaming pc graphics, who would have thought

[TheBusterMan]

Doesn't anyone want to punch Delsin's stupid arrogant,smug face? He probably says stuff like 'sick','awesome 9;,'fail','freakin& #39;',etc way too much.He looks like he's created for the 12-17 yo demographic.Sorry,maybe I'm getting too old! Infamous 1 bored me,so,I doubt this will light my world up.

[Export]

Its a downgrade from the E3 showing . Still looks nice and I bet it will be fun to play it when I grab a ps4 in two years

[WheatBread]

LOL

master race

[JustInTlME]

The E3 pics definitely look better, but as for how much better I don't know. That being said it looks great in person. Gonna play more here in a few prolly.