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Last Gen vs. Next Gen Graphics: Halo 4 vs. Killzone Shadow Fall

Karam Elahi from SpawnFirst writes: "In our "Last Gen vs. Next Gen Graphics" feature, we pit the best late-in-the-lifecycle game of our choosing from the previous gen, to as similar a title as we can find in the next gen line-up. We’re not restricted to one console line, as in this series PS3 vs. Xbox One, Xbox 360 vs. PS4, PS3 vs. PS4, and Xbox 360 vs. Xbox One graphics comparisons are all fair game. We post up decent in-game and some in-engine cinematic shots of both games, and we leave the decision all to you as to which game looks better."

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Kayant3767d ago

Seriously where do you get these screen shots from? These are damn awful and compressed to death especially KZ:SF. Doesn't do either real justice.

KZ:SF - https://pbs.twimg.com/media... http://www.abload.de/img/po...

Halo 4 - http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid... http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

More KZ:SF --> http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Halo 4 --> http://www.videogamer.com/x...

Irishguy953767d ago (Edited 3767d ago )

Killzone rapes Halo always in the graphics department. But never in the gameplay department. At best it has equaled Halo(Killzone 2) and that was only once. I find Halo 4 to be below the rest of the halo's too though(Yeah even with better graphics :/ ). And won't be surprised if Halo 5 is.

Edit - Killzone 2 was the only Killzone with that feeling. Killzone 3 and SF through it away. GG admitted to it. Because casual cod players didn't like that feeling. GG have really lost their minds with what they're up too now. Although it's not surprising. Instead of adding some new to killzone they added bullet time and seeing through walls. Slow clap for them.

WeAreLegion3767d ago

I prefer Killzone's game play, but they're very different games. Tribes was Halo before Halo and it still plays better, IMO.

vishmarx3767d ago

halo is obvously inferior to SF...
but not KZ 2 lol no.
even though KZ 2 is prolly the best fps of the last gen

ForgottenProphecy3767d ago

I'd disagree. I just like the realistic, heavy feel of Killzone

@vishmarx
Do you mean superior, not inferior?

combatcash3767d ago

Halo Reach IMO was more impressive visually than killzone.

AndrewLB3767d ago

I'm pretty sure those killzone screenshots on his page are not the final retail graphics.

mikeslemonade3767d ago

Never seen Halo 4 but Halo Reach and Halo 3 were two of the worst graphics of last generation in comparison to highly rated games.

Some other bad looking last gen games were:
Crackdown
GTA4
Saints Row

A better comparison would be COD or BF of last generation to Kilzone.

TheGreatAndPowerful3767d ago

>Killzone rapes Halo always in the graphics department but never in the gameplay department.

and yet Halo 4's MP is basically dead right now. heh

assdan3767d ago

I honestly don't understand halo's appeal. I've always hated it whenever I played it. The environments seem empty, the graphics are OK, and the gameplay is horendous. People literally never die in multiplayer.

PeaSFor3767d ago

Halo rely way WAY too much on aim assist for me, everything is sticky when they cross your reticle.

Mosiac773767d ago

Killzone in no way rapes Halo. Killzone has had many opportunities to be a great FPS games and has missed that every time. Where they went wrong was when they called Killzone 1 the halo killer. You never want to compare your games with a master piece or it will hunt you forever. The designs and graphics of KZ are alway good even KZ1 for being a PS2 game, but we're they fall short are on gameplay, voice acting and multiplayer. And believe me I always have hopes for this franchise. I've played every KZ hoping that it will come close to How fun Halo is but you can't replace the one that started it all. It just like God of War, how many have try to copy them and always fail. Stay away from the masters path.

joab7773767d ago

This article is stupid. I played them both through 2x each and the multi extensively. Wasnt a big fan of either sp, but gameplay wise, I like halo sp story and SF multi.

Graphics wise...don't spend time looking at screenshots of different gens. Play them and u will realize that it isn't even a discussion. Killzone Shadowfall is one of the best looking next gen console games to date. Yeah, halo 4 looked good on the 360 but lets hav this discussion when halo 5 releases. Though one of the ppl resposible for halo 4's good looks now works for Naughty Dog!

Azmatik3767d ago

Im so sick of screen shot comparisons screen shit never count u dont see it in motion and when u do see it in motion thats when u see all the jaggies from the AA and the true graphics. I can take a screenshot of one of the oldest games and itl make it look good.

TheGrimReaper3766d ago (Edited 3766d ago )

@Mosaic:
Learn WHO called KZ 1 a Halo killer, come back again ;)

I like KZ more than Halo, it's a more grounded sci-fi approach imho.
BUT one thing which KZ really lacks: Coop SP!
So much fun playing Halo with a buddy next to you!

OT: Yeah, let's compare games from two different gens! -.-"
If you want to show the improvements, compare it to KZ3...

VforVideogames3766d ago

HALO rapes KZ in every department last and new gen hands down. but by the way this article its stupid.

Utalkin2me3766d ago

@VforVideogames

Says the kid that has never played KZ obviously.

ChrisW3766d ago

Which of those screen shots are actually CGI?

Muffins12233766d ago (Edited 3766d ago )

Not any of its art desighn,it dose not..killzone has great graphics but like many comments about it,its been called a grey fest,ugly,and dull looking.K SF looks amazing and did a better job this time with its style especially in like the forest level but it still dose not have 343s talent in making the games scenery look amazing like halo 4s levels.It never game me any jaw droppin moments like halo 4 or other halos did.

mikeslemonade3766d ago

sigh.. Halo fans are as bad as Nintendo fans. All they do is say "Halo rapes ________" without any facts. Debating with kids are the worst.

badz1493766d ago

why is this comparison even surfaced? Halo 4 is not even the best looking game last gen and it even looks inferior compared to KZ2/KZ3. and suddenly comparison to KZSF seems warranted? Halo has its great side, sure, but graphic is NOT one of it!

hazardman3766d ago

IdK I feel like shadow fall hit the sweet spot gameplay wise for me of the 4.

Ps4Console3766d ago (Edited 3766d ago )

KillZone's graphics were good but there is nothing new in the game we haven't seen before sadly it's average at best graphics are brilliant but we want new gameplay .

snoopgg3766d ago

Halo 4 graphics are no where close. Killzone 3 graphics on the ps3 blows them away. As far as halos gameplay, that game was only good when there were no other fps out there to play. The only people keeping that franchise going are kids.

saber000053766d ago

I've played all of Halo games, and I've played Killzone. I personally like Killzone better. It's not overly hyped compared to Halo. Just my opinion. I actually enjoyed KZ's campaign a lot. They brought a LOT of new gameplay stuff that I've never seen or played before. Perfect example is the falling maps. It was EPIC.

But hey, that's just my two cents. ;)

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karamsoul3767d ago

To be consistent, 1280x720 screenshots were used for both games.

Stick893767d ago

Lolz?

Let's take an advantage one side has and completely disregard it so that it looks more like the other one...sweet logic bro.

gigoran3767d ago

karamsoul, that's a pathetic excuse. To be consistent? You're comparing a previous generation of technology to the current generation. You don't do a comparison of an old vhs copy of star wars to a bluray version and dumb it down. This certainly will be the last of your posts that I read.

karamsoul3767d ago

I'll switch em up. Thanks for the feedback.

assdan3767d ago

This isnt a proper comparison if one of the games is in a smaller resution than it should be. That's like taking the turbo out of a car in a street race because the other cars don't have one.

N0gg1nsh0tz3766d ago

I just inspected the screenshots from the article and Hillzone's ones are 1080p resolution. Halo's are 720p. I like halo but, it doesn't beat Killzone: SF in graphics. Not sure about other aspects of the game but i'll find out when i get my PS4. (When i manage to get one :/) Stop trolling and go back to 9gag.

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ATi_Elite3767d ago

I can't wait to see Contra NES vs. KZ:SF PS4

If you are gonna compare something then Compare KZ:Sf to BF4 PS4

Gr1mmyshadows3767d ago

No comparison. Contra is way more fun than any KZ

SilentNegotiator3767d ago

The Halo series hasn't been exceptional graphics wise since TWO generations ago. What a dumb comparison.

A better comparison would have been KZ3 and KZ:SF.

showtimefolks3766d ago

Killzone is the only FPS where i can play online and do well, COD just sucks with campers and BF series has a huge learning curve

Never tried halo so can't give my honest opinion. KZ2 and Resistance 2-8 player co-op are the best FPS online games i have played last gen

i am mostly into single player games

AyeUMadBro3766d ago (Edited 3766d ago )

You are all clearly missing the point here. A game looking better is not about how each texture pops in the character or environments. As a fan of both franchises. All of you don't realize that developers have to fit as much as they can in a game with the hardware they have. So comparing KZSF and H4 are terrible but comparing it to KZ2&3 and H4 are more appropriate.

I personally think Halo looks more impressive, even though Killzone has better texture and detail, any game could look better if all you have to do is fit so much detail into basically a corridor shooter. Halo has much more open environments in comparison, way more enemies on screen, vehicles that are air and ground, 4 player co-op, etc. All of these factors take away from a texture or two that could go into the game, but these factors make a game more impressive to me visually because it has to accomplish all of these tasks while at the same time trying to look good and add as much detail doing it. So of course Killzone is going to look better in terms of detail, it doesn't have to perform any of the tasks I mentioned above about Halo. I'm pretty sure Killzone would lag pretty badly if it had as much going on on-screen as Halo did while trying to maintain the visuals it has. Killzone just lacks to much in variety just to look good. I would much rather drive a vehicle, play co-op, and have forge mode rather than some good looking character models. Anyone would agree that is a better experience.

I like Killzone and have almost every trophy but I don't love it as much as Halo. The Halo universe is so big and there is so much to do in Halo compared to Killzone. That's what makes Halo a much more overall and impressive experience.

thisismyaccount3766d ago

On a technical level

Killzone > Halo 4

On a graphical level

You either like it or not the look&Feel of Killzone, i personally don´t because my assoziation with the Franchise-Killzone is this :

http://s2.n4g.com/media/11/...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

and certainly not this futuristic approach in SF

http://www.destructoid.com/...

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Gabenbrah3767d ago

Halo 4 looks astonishing for current-gen, I can only imagine what 343i will achieve on the Xbox One.

lets_go_gunners3767d ago

I still wonder how they managed to put that much detail into the enemies on a system running on less than 512 mb ram.

Are_The_MaDNess3767d ago

texture streaming my man. texture streaming. nothing more to it.

ProjectSeoul3767d ago

Apparently they had one of the best programmers in the business, so that helped a lot with the graphics. Sad news is that she left 343i, the good news is that she went to Naughty Dog. But don't expect the next halo game to look too amazing in terms of graphics, but that doesnt stop me from getting excited about the next Halo

DigitalRaptor3766d ago

Corrinne Yu, is your answer. She's now at Naughty Dog.

You win some, you lose some.

ELCUCO3767d ago

Not much since Corrine Yu jumped over to Naughty Dog.

Gabenbrah3767d ago (Edited 3767d ago )

You do realize she would of complete the new engine for Halo 5 since she would of been working on it for at least a year now not to mention 1 employee out of the 343 at 343i which consist of Naughty Dog employees as well is hardly a dent on Halo 5.

ELCUCO3767d ago

No dispute on the engine work, but hardly a dent is severly under appreciating her work. You must not understand the significance of her work at 343. All that is praised of Halo 4 graphics was a direct reflection of what she has accomplished.

On lighting alone, MS filed a software patent based on the techniques that she was applying to Halo 4.

beerzombie3766d ago

That is a big time loss. she is considered the best if not the best engine builder on the planet.

WeAreLegion3767d ago

Why does this exist? Let's forget about the vast graphical gap between the titles for a second. No conclusion was reached. No article was written. He posted photos and a title for hits. Ban this crap!

karamsoul3767d ago

This piece is categorized as "screenshot", NOT opinion or article.

Prime1573766d ago

Look, I understand. I get it as I took this submission's title and went, "who does this? Is this a joke?"

I know you won't agree with me and that is fine, and maybe part of me still wants to believe in honesty and integrity so I will understand my disagrees. Maybe that makes me naive... However, I just wonder if maybe, JUST MAYBE, this author Was a fan of both games and genuinely comparing the two in a POSITIVE light. That really IS possible.

It really is.

karamsoul3766d ago

It is. I love both games. :)

BillytheBarbarian3767d ago

People will be disappointed with nextgen if all they care about is graphics. It's not the leap forward people think it should be.

Racing games on Dreamcast still look good compared to the latest forza. They can do nice things with particle effects and physics now and there is more environment interaction. That will continue. But a car is a car.

Software_Lover3767d ago

Merry Christmas. Who is winning the fantasy league

BillytheBarbarian3767d ago

You too man. Degeneral looks to win with Jamaal Charles scoring crazy numbers every week. I ended in 4th place. We'll make sure you're in it next year!

mhunterjr3767d ago (Edited 3767d ago )

This guy is a complete joke. First the completely unscientific comparison between TLOU and DR3 (he's illogical reasoning being that both games have 'zombies'), now this.

Why not compare killzone:SF to a last gen game with a similar scope and art direction... I dunno... something like KILLZONE 3 for Christs sake!!!

How can you get an accurate representation of the generation shift when you keep compairing totally unrelated titles? Again, this guy is a joke.

Next, let's compare Resogun to Mass Effect 3. Why not? They both have space ships!

Shadonic3767d ago

How do you compare the graphics of an open world game to that of a more linear based one ? logically TLOU would have better visuals.

mhunterjr3767d ago

Not to mention the open world game has several hundreds of procedurally generated enemies onscreen at once.... Nope, the fact that both games have zombie-like enemies makes those points invalid...

ziggurcat3766d ago

DR3 and TLoU are both 3rd person survival games. KZ and halo are both 1st person shooters... How are they not related?

And they have compared KZ: SF to KZ3:

http://n4g.com/news/1400347...

mhunterjr3766d ago (Edited 3766d ago )

Man, anyone who knows ANYTHING about game design would understand the technical reasons why these are invalid comparisons. The genre of the game is not what determines it's potential graphical output. It's the scope.

Why would you compare a linear corridor shooter to an open world game? The features that tax the system are going to differ vastly. Why would you compare character models between a game that has <10 onscreen characters to one that has to deal with >400? Obviously, the one with fewer will have more detailed models. Why compare the textures between a game that loads new ones for every scene, and a game that has to stream them all in on the fly? There are so many reasons why the comparison makes no sense.

The same goes for Halo and Killzone. The scopes of the games are totally different. Killzone has one of the tightest fields-of-view ever in a FPS. That allows for greater detail, as their are less items onscreen at once. It also historically had tighter encounters with fewer enemies at once. Halo's engine had to account for a much wider FOV, as the game is played from the 3rd person perspective much of the time, and with vehicles, characters are moving at much higher rate of speed. There are also many more enemies on screen at once. From a technical standpoint these games are doing completely different things with the hardware.

It just makes so much more sense to compare games that are more technically related of your trying to compare next gen to current gen.

PS: that comparison you posted isn't from SpawnFirst.

mhunterjr3766d ago (Edited 3766d ago )

Forgot to mention Halo's graphical engine has to allow for four player split screen and dynamic physics. There's simply no logical reason to compare these two graphical engines.

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Killzone After a Decade in Hibernation

It's been 10 years since Killzone: Shadow Fall arrived for PlayStation 4 early adopters, and there's no sign of another sequel.

Obscure_Observer155d ago

Sadly it was dumped by Guerrilla to focus on Horizon games only. Mainline, VR and Multiplayer.

Vengeance1138155d ago

lmao sadly? Are you pretending to have actually played the series lol Sorry bud, no Killzone on Xbox.

Cacabunga155d ago

With the downfall of COD and BF, Killzone def. has a chance to make a groundbreaking comeback

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Notellin155d ago (Edited 155d ago )

What a low-functioning reply here typical of the fanboy N4G community.

Rimeskeem155d ago

“Dumped”

I think it’s called moving on.

Barlos155d ago (Edited 155d ago )

They brought out 4 main games and 2 spin offs: one on PSP and one on Vita. That's a decent run for any series. I also understand that Shadow Fall wasn't a success commercially despite it coming out at PS4 launch, and as a big Killzone fan even I couldn't get into it, so I think Sony/Guerrilla could see it was time to move on.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love another Killzone game in the vein of KZ2 but it's just not happening. Hell, I'd even take a remake or remaster of the first 3 games.

I'd hardly say it was "dumped" though, it spanned 3 console generations and 2 handheld generations.

1Victor155d ago

@obscured:”Sadly it was dumped by Guerrilla to focus on Horizon games only. Mainline, VR and Multiplayer”

Happily it was dumped by Guerrilla to focus on Horizon games only. Mainline, VR and Multiplayer( edited to reflect the writer true feelings and allegiance)
Kill zone was a FPS far ahead of its glitched competitors with nauseating bad camera angles, 10 years old screaming curses like a drunk sailor and bot aiming assist.

ChasterMies155d ago

“Sadly”?

The Horizon games were among the best games of all time. Killzone Shadowfail wasn’t.

Shane Kim154d ago

True, but damn the memories of KZ2 multiplayer. Still no MP as fun as that to this date.

Mr_cheese155d ago

Dumped and shelved are two different things

Tacoboto154d ago

And Sony as a whole dumped the FPS genre so they wouldn't have products competing with COD and (until purchase) Destiny.

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GoodGuy09155d ago

I loved the KZ2+3 campaigns and MP in 2. There could be so much more done with the franchise. Horizon although good, I wish they'd go back to this wonderful IP. Take a break from Horizon please.

Flawlessmic155d ago

Agreed dude, I would absolutely love a reboot of the series, one can only hope that either resistance or killzone makes a return.

Have nothing but great memories, especially of the first 3 games, but all 4 were show stoppers graphically.

blackbeld155d ago

To making it a successful reboot they have to change that buttons layout! Make it playable like the cod button layout. Otherwise I’ll skipping it again.

Rynxie155d ago

And that's the reason why many fps games failed. Instead of being original and catering to it's fans, they tried to make it like cod. No, kz doesn't need cod button layout. It needs to be like it was on kz2 or balanced liked kz3.

Lightning77155d ago

I think Kill Zone would do great in Sony's LS push. As well as MAG reboot and bring back Resistance into LS.

Sharky231154d ago

@Lightning77

I think WarHawk would have been a great Live service game.

thorstein155d ago

Killzone games were so polished. The gameplay was just simple joy. MP was one of the best experiences.

I remember KZ3, just staring at how awesome they animated the water and then getting wasted because of it.

P_Bomb155d ago

It’s been a decade? Now I’m sad.

LiViNgLeGaCY154d ago

I hear ya bud. We're due for a revival.

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20 Years of Guerrilla: The Story of a PlayStation Studio

The Amsterdam-based studio reflects on its humble beginnings, beloved franchises, and growth through the years.

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SullysCigar346d ago

Up there with the top tier in the industry. Love Guerrilla Games - Horizon Burning Shores is simply STUNNING.

1Victor346d ago

Can’t wait for their next franchise

SullysCigar346d ago

Same. They nailed it with Horizon. The trouble is I also want a new Killzone! Can't I just have it all?!

jznrpg345d ago

I’m with you I want Horizon 3 , Killzone and new IPs

badz149345d ago

I have yet to play Burning Shores as I just started Forbidden West (bought at launch, just unwrapped last weekend LOL) and playing on PS5.

man...I still can't believe the graphics especially now I'm playing it on my LG OLED. that graphics and with stable performance backing it up, GG really is the master of their craft!

Vengeance1138346d ago

32.7M sales in the Horizon franchise! With 8.4M coming from Forbidden West alone! Truly a hugely successful game and franchise as a whole. Looking forward to Horizon III

Shane Kim346d ago

That's kind of a huge drop though. It's only been two games.

VersusDMC346d ago

One year after realease HZD sold 7.6 million.

https://www.noobfeed.com/ne...

So not a drop off.

Unless you're saying a HFW should have sold as much now as HZD sold in 5 years?

Vengeance1138346d ago

It's been 3 games, this includes Call of the Mountain. Also no, its a great improvement over HZD.

solideagle346d ago

lol you are comparing:

HZD: 28 February 2017 - May 2023 (6 years+)

HFW: 18 February 2022 - May 2023 (1 year+)

We will see if it surpass original number.

Phoenix76345d ago

@shane, 2 full main games, 2 DLC add ons, 1 VR spin off game, oh and a an official LEGO set.
Not too bad for an ip that's only been on market for 6 years

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REDGUM345d ago

Wow, very impressive. I didn't know the numbers were so high for Forbidden West. Still playing through it myself

thesoftware730346d ago (Edited 346d ago )

Yooo, when I first saw that Killzone 1 footage at E3, my friends my brothers and I were like, Holy shit! When it came out, it didn't look exactly like it, but we sunk so many hours into 1 & 2.

I even liked Killzone: SF, it was a spectacle to look at, and even today it looks good. I hope they make a new one. Can you imagine how that will look, and they can get some modern FPS pointers from Bungie.

blacktiger345d ago

thank you fps lover, I'm with you

talocaca346d ago

Such a wonderful studio. They deserve all their success.

The Decima Engine is absolute 🔥 I'm just mad they have abandoned Killzone.

OzzY-waZZy346d ago (Edited 346d ago )

Kinda wish they move on from Horizon tbh.

potatoseal345d ago

They are probably working on mutiple projects. One of them is Horizon 3, but another is a multiplaer game and probably somehting else.

Imalwaysright345d ago

There were rumours that they were working on a Socom reboot.

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Master Chief Became More Than A Machine In 343's Halo

In Halo 4, 5, and Infinite, Master Chief became a more nuanced, human character.

In spite of the Halo series’ struggles, 343 deserves praise for adding nuance and characterisation to the ever-beating heart of Halo - The Master Chief. Playing through Infinite, it's abundantly clear that the events of the current and previous trilogies have irrevocably changed the iconic hero. He’s no longer the ‘blank slate’ that was previously presented by Bungie. He’s a fatigued, damaged and fallible protagonist, and one who is meandering through currents of grief, while reveling in his newfound agency. Giving the Chief a compelling and meaningful voice was no small feat, and 343 should be proud of that victory.

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kingnick401d ago

This article completely misses part of the appeal of the original iteration of character in the original game trilogy. It was the Chief and Cortana vs an entire alien collective. The blank slate Bungie displayed in their games was genius, he was an mysterious hero a wide audience could identify with because he wasn't as clearly defined as most characters.

The books added a lot of lore and backstory but most Halo players just want a fun game with exposition that doesn't get in the way of gameplay, it's why the Cortana level in Halo 3 was derided.

Not every character has to be a damaged soyboy, a soldier has to suck it up and do his duty.

BandarHub400d ago

A lot of people give the 343 version of Master Chief a lot of slack.
But Fundamentally he is still the same character, he just has a couple more dialogues. He has not changed in terms of attitude.
"Not every character has to be a damaged soyboy, a soldier has to suck it up and do his duty."
And that's what he has done at the end of the day, he did his duty. Watch his partner die, and was ready to destroy the weapon in Halo infinite....he is still the same soilder that everyone remembers

Halo Infintes one was a nice balance between both.

slate91400d ago

Chief and the halo franchise became a joke under 343

Sciurus_vulgaris400d ago

The 343i Master Chief has is based on the books. However, in Halo 4-Infinite, the Master Chief overtime become. gradually becomes more willing to show some emotion.

Obscure_Observer400d ago

"However, in Halo 4-Infinite, the Master Chief overtime become. gradually becomes more willing to show some emotion."

Which is awesome! I love how Master Chief become more John and less soldier.

Sciurus_vulgaris400d ago

I didn’t even notice my typos,lol