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Xbox One vs PS4 Game Install Time Comparison

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GribbleGrunger3805d ago

Why does it take 4 minutes longer to install on the X1?

GarrusVakarian3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

I know, that's weird. Can you play while you install with the X1?

Damn that's quick on the PS4, i hated the installs on PS3.

Kayant3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

@Lukas_Japonicus

iirc yes but it's only after a certain percentage

"Call of Duty: Ghosts reportedly takes around 10 minutes to install 51 per cent of the game, after which point you are then able to play."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

darthv723805d ago

It seems that if a game requires a patch that is available at the time you first insert the disc....the xb1 downloads and installs the patch during the install process.

If you disconnect from the internet, the game can be installed prior to patching but if you go online then it will get the patch before playing.

My view is both platforms should have kept the option to play from the disc with the choice to install if needed. Both are using newer and quicker bluray optical drives.

ProjectVulcan3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

Bluray 6x read is a constant 27MB/s. If the drive runs for over 5 minutes at full speed just installing it should be at least 8Gb read off the disc.

But I don't think thats the problem, I think there has to be a software flaw here, I read reports of people having extremely slow installs far beyond anything that should be happening.

OS bug? Updates problem? Disc errors? Who knows.

FANTA11803805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

at some point yes,.

user55757083805d ago

well looks like that cloud processing is hard at work

BitbyDeath3805d ago

Sony has a secondary chip which it offloads a lot of work to, Xbone does not.

vigilante_man3805d ago

If you are the owner of a new sparkling XBox One today I guess you do not give a damn if it takes a little longer to install just as long as you can play your new next gen games!

As I jealous PS4 fan still waiting in the UK I can only offer my best wishes to all XB1 owners on their fantastic launch. Here's hoping there are no major issues.

Today is Microsoft's Day. A big congratulations to them and all new XB1 owners. Let the games begin...

irepbtown3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

@vigilante_man

I'm on your boat, still another week until our release.

The PS4 is faster but not by a big amount which is good news for any folks getting (or have) the X1. And I'm sure whatever console you've chosen, you wouldn't mind a few minute difference.

Totally agree @Lukas_Japonicus, PS3 install was bloody annoying on the PS3. From what I'm reading about the PS4, it's pretty quick.

ShinMaster3805d ago

XBOX ONE HAS A SLOWER BLU-RAY DRIVE.

Mystery solved.

NewMonday3805d ago

so far the PS4 has..

faster installs
faster browser
organized UI
simple to use live stream
better audio support

the PS4 is winning the services category the XBone was built for.

UnHoly_One3805d ago

NewMonday I have to disagree with you on the "organized UI" bullet point.

I think the PS4's UI is absolutely horrible.

I never liked the XMB either, though.

At least this is marginally better, but I predict it will get to be quite the cluttered mess once you build up a library of downloaded games.

LonDonE3805d ago

@vigilante_man and @irepbtown

I too live in UK and man waiting one more week is killing me, what makes it even worse is my work colleagues booked time off on the launch day, so i will be stuck at work from 7am till 8:30pm so by the time i get home I AM SHATTERED!!! so most likely wont even be able to play it much!
And its the same for Saturday, i have Sunday off, so Saturday night onwards i will be playing it non stop LOL

So annoyed i didn't book it off earlier, knowing my mates they will msg me with vids pics etc! aaaggghhhh!!!! either way at least i can say i have my own job,my own house, wife and kids, and so bills to pay! while most of them live at home with their mums and have had their mums buy it for them LOLOL

So technically its not even their PS4! LMAO

FamilyGuy3805d ago

They said they wanted to make everything faster on the PS4, that secondary chip is doing an amazing job.

It's been said that downloads, system updates and patches all happen in the background, even while in standby mode thanks to this low-power secondary chip. What I was curious about was whether uploads continue in the background while in standby mode as well because I didn't see this mentioned. I was going to bed and my video wasn't done uploading so I tested it out. Tried it last night with an upload of a Resogun video and it works!

Loving the PS4 more each day.

snipermk03805d ago

another comparison with Call of Duty Ghosts:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

mikeslemonade3804d ago

Haha whatever happen to XBL being the better service?? I mention XBL because the zealots usually mention that they don't need to install games because it installs during while they download.

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OrangePowerz3805d ago

Could have something to do with the Xbox One originally being designed to run games only from the HDD and not from the disc. The plan was that the discs are only used for installation and the game would work without the disc. They might not have changed that function, so it would need to install more data before it is playable.

ethomaz3805d ago

PS4 runs the game from HDD only too.

Kayant3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

@ethomaz

No it doesn't. How do you explain how people can play it while the game installs in the background?

Edit - Ahh I see what you mean there. Yh after initial installation that's true.

DARK WITNESS3805d ago

surely if the original idea from the beginning was that all games would be installed and run from the HDD, then shouldn't it be a lot faster on the xb1.

I can understand that installing and then starting to play may be affected but regardless. If the xb1 was always intended to install then it should be optimized to do that in the fastest possible time, it should be faster then the ps4 if anything... Not slower

another question, are the stall sizes exactly the same for both systems? I think everyone just assumes that they are, but has anyone actually checked ?

ethomaz3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

@Kayant

The games runs only from HDD... it install the first amount of data to start to play the game so after that it use this game to play and in background install the additional to progress in the game... after the full disc is installed no BD read is done anymore.

Games on PS4 are full installed on HDD too.

Cerny explained that pretty well.

Edit - @DARK WITNESS, the install sizes are close... just 1-2GB different.

despair3805d ago

@ethomaz

Not true, you can start playing killzone less than a minute after inserting the disk and textures are massive, no way would it have copied enough resources to pay the game by then, it runs from both until it is fully cached on the hdd.

OrangePowerz3805d ago

The PS4 still loads from both disc and HHD after the files are installed, hence why you don't need for it to reach 50% in games like CoD before you can play.

Sevir3805d ago

The PS4 Caches data for fast loading, you are still required to have the disc in the drive to play, UNLESS the game is digital!

I tried switching from Resogun to Battlefield 4 while Injustice:GAU was in the drive and a message popped up saying,

"proper disc not inserted"
And I had to eject Injustice and insert BF4.

cell9893805d ago

I think it's all software, Sony really did a number on Microsoft, they are ahead on everything. I sure as he'll see how the trade off for no mp3 at launch was the right choice, in exchange for twitch streaming and smooth game installs. Sony did not F around this time

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Bathyj3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

Got me a Hybrid drive. Interested to see what difference it makes.

Edit
That comparison is bizzare.
There are a few instances where the Stock drive is quicker. and apparent Black Flag boots 37 and 47 seconds quicker on the stock than the Hybrid and Solid State respectively. Thats a huge amount.

Yet they claim Hybrid offers the best combination of performance boost, storage size and price over all but some of those numbers seem weird.

Oh well, its what Im using now. I think I've actually got the same Seagate they used in the test so I should be good.

Eonjay3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

There is a comparison on IGN:
http://www.ign.com/wikis/pl...

ABizzel13805d ago

It should knock off a few seconds on just about everything you do.

How bid is the SD in it?

Eonjay3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

Its not what it seems and I don't think IGN pointed out the obvious. With Hybrid HDD you have to let the drive cache data to NAND to utilize its speed boost. So basically, the first boot of Resogun may be slow, but subsequent boots will be much faster than HDD. This includes system cold booting.

GameSpawn3805d ago

@eonjay

That is also assuming that the "redundant" data doesn't exceed the size of the SSD cache (8GB on most hybrid drives).

So as long as the data that is constantly being accessed from the hard drive stays under 8GB you'll notice near SSD performance as the data is being pulled from the SSD cache and not the conventional drive. Once you have a cache miss (data not on the SSD portion) then you get MUCH slower access times due to the failed attempt + subsequent data retrieval and caching.

The goal is to minimize cache misses. Inevitably you are going to have a cache miss, but if the data set your working with is small enough your hits will far outweigh the misses giving closer to real SSD performance. If it is the other way around though you can actually get WORSE performance than a conventional hard drive alone because you are performing two read requests for each cache miss instead of one.

The_KELRaTH3805d ago

Unfortunate not nearly as much as it could have due to saving a few pence and not supporting SATA III

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stuna13805d ago

Those 3 OS's are bogging down the Xbox1 as a whole! One would have to figure there would have to be some type of conflict between the different Operating systems, even on standard PC's with more than one OS tweaks have to be made! I don't see why the same wouldn't apply to the Xbox1 as we'll.

123pol3805d ago

The ps4 has a x8 bluray and xbox one has a x6

tigertom533805d ago

maybe ps4 has a faster drive

crazyclown3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

Reason why the PS4 is superior and the XBONE is inferior :)

Hate all you want, this is my opinion (and a fact). Dislike it? GTFO!

Love it, then :)

farhad2k83805d ago

@UnHoly_One

Are you kidding me? If you put the PS4 and XB1 UI in front of a 60 year old man who has never had an electronic device in his life, he would find it much easier to navigate on the PS4. The UI isn't bulked up with random ads, random TV related prompts, it's straight to the point, and it revolves around the games of the PS4.

Tapewurm3805d ago

The power of Teh Cloud! 8)

TBONEJF3805d ago

and why are u all looking at FIFA? that's not a next gen game

solid_snake36563805d ago

It seems slow because it was compared to a superior console.

SaturdayNightBeaver3805d ago

Jesus lets compare which power cord is longer? This is just pure BS

shysun3805d ago

Why? It's always been this way...Why don't you like it now?

Im not saying we have to be this way but just go with it man. ;)

Gekko363804d ago

This is just a geek pissin contest.

Well I've got an Xbox One and a 9.5" nob. Does that mean I win?

imdaboss13805d ago

4 to 5 min is a big difference who the hell wants to wait that long??

Demobot3805d ago

A loser with no life or woman.

BX813805d ago

Lmao go figure cod, I could play bf4 and ryse single player around 23%. The mp for bf4 I couldn't play till 100% download.

Malacath3804d ago

Probably because a game patch is being downloaded during the install.

I agree though that game installs are annoying on any platform but unfortunately that's how it's going to be on both ps4 and xb1.

At least once the game is installed you don't have to do it again(unless you delete of course)

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iLemon3805d ago

It took so long to install NFS that I thought it was copying the entire disk instead of the 351MB it mentioned. It took less time to download the 500MB OS update over the internet.

blackbirdi3805d ago

are talking about xbox one or ps4 ?

MasterCornholio3805d ago

He's talking about Xbox One because the PS4s update is only 300MB in size.

Nexus 7 2013

JackVagina3805d ago

whats the dealio? dont they both have the same 5400rpm HDD and 6x BD drive

AgitatedOcelot3805d ago

Three Microsoft OS's running through virtualization and using the ntfs filesystem.

I'm guessing the PS4 is using EXT 4 since it uses BSD, Which is just a better, faster files system in my opinion.

agibbis3805d ago

This!

Its not all about snazzy hardware, considering both machines are very similar.

The software the PS4 uses and file system is imo what puts the PS4 slightly ahead.

GoodnessGreatness3805d ago

Add a faster harddrive like an SSD.

Fishy Fingers3805d ago

Are there any benchmarks to compare? Based on current gen I believe that made little difference.

I personally don't see the fuss, if your installing the game your going to have to wait. So wait. I don't think knowing X console installs something 10% faster or slower is going to kill you.

sak5003805d ago

Dont know about consoles but i've been using 128GB SSD as main o/s and i've noticed shortend boot time, increased response when opening o/s related apps like control pannel ones. Been using it since 2011.

I wish new gen consoles could have used a 32 / 64 gb ssd only for o/s and caching files.

BX813805d ago

I hated the ps3 wait but I got use to it. The Xbox one wait isn't as long but still sux and I'm already over it.

My_Outer_Heaven3805d ago

From what I've seen theres no real performance benefit from doing that. Its better to go bigger rather than a bit faster.

DoesUs3805d ago

A hybrid drive seems the best option, and you will see some really good gains over the stock drive.

Bathyj3805d ago

Thats why I went Hybrid. Still 1tb but slightly better performance (should be comparable to a 7200rpm which I had trouble finding a good one) but less heat than that, and cheaper and more storage than a SSD.

thehitman3805d ago

from the benches I seen as well I dont think its worth it to put an SSD. Especially since the size of the SSD will be MUCH less which is counter productive. Unless your willing to fork out like 500-600 bucks for a 1 TB SSD I wouldnt bother and still then I would rather stick that baby in my PC and not my ps4.

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MasterCornholio3805d ago

Wow the Xbox One is slow.

Nexus 7 2013

sak5003805d ago

Wow ps3 had pretty long assed downloads/install/updates but did it stop it from selling?

Swiggins3805d ago

That was 8 years ago bro, we're living in the future dammit!

MasterCornholio3805d ago

Did having faster installs stop the PS4 from outselling the Xbox One?

Deathdeliverer3805d ago

Swiggins I tried to agree but hit disagree on my phone in laughter lol.

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-Foxtrot14h ago

Microsoft have Obsidian but I feel it's Bethesda who just don't want to play ball as they've always said they want to do it themselves.

Once MS bought Zenimax in 2020 they should have put the Outer Worlds 2 on the back burner, allow Bethesda to finish off its own Space RPG with Starfield (despite totally different tone why have two in your first party portfolio with two developers who's gameplay is a tad similar) and got Obsidian for one of their projects to make a spiritual successor to New Vegas.

When the Elder Scrolls VI is finished Bethesda can then onto the main numbered Fallout 5 themselves.

The Outer Worlds 2 started development in 2019 so putting it on the back burner wouldn't have been the end of the world, they'd have always come back to it once Fallout was done and it would have been nicely spaced out from Starfields release once they had most likely stopped supporting it and all the expansions were released.

If they did this back in 2020 when they bought Zenimax and the game had a good, steady 4 - 5 years development, you might have seen it release in 2025.

We are literally going to be waiting until 2030 at the very earliest for Fallout 5 and all they seem bothered about is pushing Fallout 76.

RaidenBlack12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Its not just only Todd not playing ball.
Obsidian have made a name for themselves in delivering stellar RPGs, but most famous once have always been sequels/spin-offs to borrowed IPs like KOTOR 2, Neverwinter Nights 2, Fallout: New Vegas, Stick of Truth etc.
Obsidian wants to invest more in their own original IPs like Outer Worlds or Pillars of Eternity with Avowed.
Similar to what Bluepoint & inXile wants to do or Kojima is doing (i.e not involving anymore in Konami's IPs).
So yea, even if New Vegas has the most votes from 3D Fallout fans, Obsidian just wants to do their own thing, like any aspiring dev studio and MS is likely currently respecting that.
But a future Fallout game from Obsidian will surely happen. Founder Feargus Urquhart has already stated an year ago that they're eager to make a new Fallout game with Bethesda, New Vegas 2 or otherwise. Urquhart was the director of the very first 1995's Fallout game after all.
And don't forget Brian Fargo and his studio inXile, as Brian Fargo was the director of Fallout's 1988 predecessor: Wasteland

KyRo9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Obsidian should take over the FO IP. They're do far better with it than Bethesda who hasn't made a great game for almost 15 years

RaidenBlack3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

@KyRo
So, by 15 years, you mean Fallout 3 was the last great game Bethesda made?
You don't consider Skyrim a good game, which came out 13 years ago?
I'd consider Fallout 4 a pretty decent game as well. It's Story & RPG elements were a bit downgrade from New Vegas but the exploration and shooting on the other hand, were upgrades.
FO76 was disappointing and Starfield could've been better at launch I'll agree.

Duke198h ago(Edited 8h ago)

I disagree. Part of these games is the support for the mod community. If they move to releasing a "next game" every 2 or 3 years, the modding support plummets and the franchises turn into just another run of the mill RPG.

Make the games good enough to withstand the test of time, to keep people coming back to them and expanding on them with mod support.

--Onilink--6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

I dont think anyone is saying they need to come out every 2 years (not to mention almost no game is released that quickly anymore)

By the time Fallout 5 comes out, it will be more than 15 years since Fallout 4 came out (same with ES6 coming out 15 years after Skyrim). Even if you want to use F76 as the metric for the most recent release, that one came out in 2018. It will be a miracle if F5 comes out before 2030

The point is that for a studio that doesnt seem to operate with multiple teams doing several projects at once, that their projects normally take 4-5 years as a minimum, and that now they even added Starfield to the rotation, it becomes a 15+ years waiting period between releases for each series, which doesnt make sense. Imagine that Nintendo only released a mainline Mario or Zelda game every 15 years…

They either need to start developing more than 1 project at a time, let someone else take a crack at one of the IPs or significantly reduce their development times

Duke194h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Why should someone else take a crack at one of the IPs? Look at what happened to Final Fantasy as a recent example - there is pretty clear FF fatigue setting in because they are now pumping out titles in the franchise every few years. Pumping out more games faster doesn't always make a series better.

There are plenty of options to make new games, not just create more titles in the same universe at a faster pace.

-Foxtrot2h ago

"Why should someone else take a crack at one of the IPs"

He's literally just told you why

We're waiting like 15 years before a sequel comes out, it's insane

Skyrim came out in 2011, the next game is expected to come out in 2027 at the earliest so that's 16 years apart while Fallout 4 came out in 2015 and might not release until 2031, again 16 years.

We're fine with Bethesda trying new things and doing new IPs like Starfield but adding a new game to the cycle now means a bigger wait. Also Starfield didn't meet most peoples expectations, can you imagine waiting 15 years or so for a sequel and it's disappointing? It would feel even worse because you would have to wait another 15 years to see if they manage to come back from it.

They need to give it to another developer, we don't need main numbered titles but a spin off of Fallout and Elder Scrolls should be cycled in between the long gaps of the main releases.

Once again you are making out people want these games as quick as possible when all we want is a standard development time of at least 4 years or so rather than waiting 15.

mandf6h ago

Yeah I’m going to say it, who cares about the modding community when making a game? Half the time developers only tolerate modders because they fix there game for them.

Skuletor7h ago

Yeah, let's all advocate for smaller gaps between series' releases, then we'll probably get headlines about how the series have dropped in quality and they could have benefited from more time in the oven. Let them cook.

SimpleSlave6h ago

"how the series have dropped in quality and they could have benefited from more time in the oven" So every Bethesda game then? Got it.

Listen, I would agree if this was about From Software or something, but Bethesda?

🤣

C'mon now. What timeline are you from?

Skuletor4h ago

Think about it, they're already bug filled messes on their current schedule, can you imagine how much worse it would be if they rushed things?

-Foxtrot2h ago

@Skuletor

Who's saying to rush the releases? No one is saying that...

People just don't want to be waiting 15 years for a sequel, they aren't working on the game for that long, you do realise that right? The issue isn't coming down to them working on the game and us "rushing them", it's the fact they are working on other games like Starfield now meaning bigger gaps before they even get started on them.

I bet you any more Elder Scrolls VI only entered full development last year when Starfield was finished despite being announced in 2018.

Duke194h ago

I mean you aren't wrong. People are going to complain about anything

isarai6h ago

Hows about you focus on quality, just a thought 🤷‍♂️

Sciurus_vulgaris5h ago

Bethesda [or Microsoft] would have to reallocate internal and external studios towards fallout and elder scrolls titles. Bethesda has the issue of developing 2 big IPs that are large RPGs on rotation. If you want more Fallout and Elder Scrolls, development will have to be outsourced.

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