PlayStation 4 CPU using AMD Turbo Core to go from 1.6GHz up to 2.75Ghz ?

For awhile there has been speculations about the 2.75GHz clock rate that showed up in the PS4 FCC Certification. Some speculated that it was just the clock rate of the Memory but today in a IGN PS4 review video the 2.75GHz clock rate has been shown to be the highest clock rate of the CPU with 1.6GHz being the base clock rate.

[lifeisgamesok]

Hmmm I'd think it would become too hot but good for PS owners if true

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

Doubtful but would be awesome if true.

[cleft5]

It's interesting how most of the stories about the PS4 is about how their is all this power in the console that wasn't even mentioned. That's the best sort of surprise.

[UltimateMaster]

It's based off the IGN article.

[Prime157]

@Cleft5

Not saying I disagree with you, however, this is very much like MisterX and his theoretical 2.1 TFlops math with ESRAM.

I'm skeptical of this on both sides.

[CryofSilence]

@Prime157

This is much more a physical possibility. It is extremely common for multicore chips to dynamically turbocharge, even in laptop and mobile processors. My 3 year old laptop with a first gen i7 onboard is capable of it. However, to my knowledge, there is no way RAM will increase FLOPS (Floating-point Operations Per Second), just the bandwidth to transmit the data. CPU/GPU create the FLOPS count. ;)

Edit: Perhaps you are referring to how the theoretical bandwidth limit of eSRAM in conjunction with DDR3 is over 200 GB/s? That is a physical possibility, but time will tell.

[ChrisW]

Yes, it can go that high... Phenomenally higher if cooled with liquid nitrogen.

Will Sony ever make a patch to make it go that high? I strongly believe not. Because all games are built around the standardized GHz for optimal performance with least amount of problems.

[pedrof93]

Can someone show me the original source ?

[Irishguy95]

Why well said for you and not for lifeisgamesok? The only reason it wouldn't be put up is because of heat. The thing about 'overclocking' is that it brings on heat. And alot of it if you clock it too high for your cooling system to handle.

[abzdine]

You want a futureproof console, here you go!!
Friday 29th cannot come soon enough

[ajkula]

well, the turbo core tech, as mentionned, can lower the freq. to minimal uses, then higher the freq. of all cores up to a certain speed THEN to less threads sensitive applications, reduce the number of core activated and boost those remaining to the ceiling...
in no way it'll boost all 8 cores to 2.75, this would be toasting the proc...
there must be a precise ratio here, which i have no idea.
and a real question fans should ask themselves is, at which clock speed all 8 cores ceiling??

..instead of being doubtful about things everyone ignore here!
SINCE, it is factual that the jaguar is capable of "turbo core tech"
cheers

[Consoldtobots]

this isn't some secret sauce, my 4 yr old laptop has the same type of core and can do the same thing.

[GarrusVakarian]

Don't worry, Sony are hardware geniuses, they have all that tech in a tiny box and the power brick inside too.

http://www.planetextech.com...

140 degrees F (60C) after playing Killzone SF for 3 hours straight which is very good indeed.

[Sitdown]

After unboxing my ps4, it slowly became apparent how hideous the ps3...I got my ps3 fat and ugly with the full intentions of hurting it's feelings. It's place in the entertainment cabinet now belongs to another.

[majiebeast]

Yeah my 6870 is idling now at 45-50 degrees celsius. If i start playing a game it goes up to atleast 70.

^

Phat PS3 is the BBW of consoles.

[pyramidshead]

If they designed it to withstand the heat from the CPU going up to 2.75 then holy crap. So long XB1 CPU advantage. If true....no wonder Sony kept this number quiet :P

[scott182]

Why the crap don't they just say what it runs at so people can stop with the rumors?

[Themba76]

my laptop runs hotter than that my laptop can get up to 91c

[mkis007]

My pc rig with an oc'ed i7 920 3.6 ghz aa gtx 680 a gtx 660 and cooling with a corsair h70 has my temps at 40-50 C idle...heat is not going to be a problem, no matter how much people want it to.

In game those jump to around 64C

[mxrider2199]

i played for 29 hrs straight no over heating issues at all i was streaming too

[ajkula]

@scott182: simply because from their point of view AND a business intelligence point, it's none of yours business and you should care about the game quality first when you first think of buying an entertainment hardware, not the specs inside it...
if you remember the jaguar from atari, which had a dual highly capable processors for its time BUT also embended an old motorola 68000...
...that the devs preferdd to use from laziness...
whatever, just think in their place!

[Consoldtobots]

good stuff!!!

I use mine in landscape mode and it looks like that runs 10° cooler at peak.

[ZBlacktt]

Yes, this is why they have sold the most consoles on the planet. Why they come out with Slim and Super Slim lines!

Nice avie. I went to that concert in 86. Got a picture wearing the shirt from back then if you want to see it for the laughs, lol. Still and always metal to this very day!

\n/ o.o \m/

But yeah, I've played ACF up to 10 hours a day. Not a single issue as expected. That's playing for hours. Go eat, leave the console on... continue playing.

[GarrusVakarian]

@ZBlacktt

Man,i can't even express how jealous i am of you. Seriously huge Met fan here. I saw them last year, going to see them again whenever they come back here. They played so fast in 86 from the youtube vids, it was like 2X tempo.

Yeah PM me the pic lol (you have me on block though btw)

[Mosiac77]

What great rumor and it will forever stay a rumor.

[C-H-E-F]

Didn't they say something about a surprise upon opening up the ps4? Is this it? If not then ehh I guess i'll have to continuing playing Killzone Shadow Fall and 2k14 plus the other games I bought until someone unlock the surprise for me because frankly i'm to lazy to do it myself. :D

[JsonHenry]

Too hot? It is under-clocked already from its typically stock running speed. My 8-core AMD CPU in my PC runs pretty close to this same pattern. It idles lower then when a game or application that is more demanding is started it jumps from like 3.6ghz or something to 4.2ghz.

Its pretty standard these days for AMD CPUs. Whether the PS4 does this or not I don't know. But it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say it is possible since the rest of AMDs desktop/laptop line up of CPUs all do this all day every day and have for a long time now.

[Kleptic]

^exactly...This shouldn't be too surprising...both AMD and Intel have base clocks with 'boost' multipliers when applications call for it...

thermal management is the only question...and considering jaguars are low tdp, low heat units to begin with, i'd be very surprised if a turbo setting of 2.75 makes some outrageous difference in heat output...

however, people need to keep that in context...a cpu's frequency has zero effect on its instructions per cycle limit...and jaguar cores are horrendously bad in this area (not a big deal for a console, as the OS is simple)...but having very low IPC figures do not get very tangible differences from overclocking...

So...just saying...this could be true...but even then, you'd never know the difference...the cpu's between the xbox one and PS4 will perform nearly identically, even if one is clocked slightly differently...

the new consoles are gpu-centric devices, any performance differences between them will ALWAYS be because of the gpu differences...

[Cernunnos]

People forget that turbo only applies to one core. So the other 7 cores will still run at 1.6ghz. That's why the heat output does not increase significantly.

[frostypants]

Yeah...most processors can technically be overclocked beyond the speed they are initially set to. However the clock at which they are set tends to be below capacity in order to maintain safe operating temperatures. That's why when PC modders OC the CPU, one generally also throws in all sorts of additional cooling mechanisms...more fans, better thermal paste, bigger heat sink, etc. Sony won't bump the clock speed of this processor...even if later batches of the chip are more capable of managing it safely, they wouldn't fracture the capabilities of their install base that way.

[ipach]

theoretically, the non-used cores partially help dissipate some of the heat and enable the chip to operate at those speeds. that's how it works on their PC CPUs at least

[BallsEye]

It alrady heats up over 60 degrees at normal clock. Why would anyone belive it can go up from 1.6 to 2.75 without overheating?? You guys are unbelievable.

[Madderz]

Says the guy with 2 bubbles.

[BallsEye]

@Madderz

Bubbles on n4g only mean if you're a hardcore sony fanboy (tons of bubbles) or not (almost none) it got nothing to do with facts or truth.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

You can read numbers, right?
61 celsius - 141 f after 20 mins of KZ

now where is my bubble up for stating a fact? According to you I should get some.

[RegorL]

1) 60 degrees is not a problem unless you put it in a box, resulting in 60 degrees air intake...

2) How do you know KZ runs on normal clock?
If any game might utilize boost already it is KZ...

[Letros]

All modern processors do "turbo" for reduced core processing, been around for ages...

[Sm00thNinja]

^^^^^ this man is correct

[indysurfn]

he made two statments only one of them is correct. It has been around for ages, but not all modern have turbo, not all by a longshot!

[frostypants]

No, he isn't. In processor terms, Turbo is a marketing term, not a technical one.

[Statix]

Not in consoles. Everyone assumed that the CPUs in these new consoles just ran at a fixed base clockrate.

[R1V3N]

assumed, key word. it would be like the multi threading in my laptop 2.8 ghz single core apps 2 ghz for all multi threaded apps

[Volkama]

Indeed, turbo generally downclocks other cores to boost a single core. On a PC this is a way to get better performance from programs that hammer one thread alone. It is of limited use in the consoles where you'd expect games to be properly multi-threaded anyway.

Still, additional options for developers can't be perceived as a negative.

[NarooN]

Turbo boost as a concept has been around for a long time, but not all modern CPU's support it, not by a long shot. There are more CPU's than just x86 Intel and AMD processors, and not even all modern Intel/AMD chips support it.

[LordDhampire]

Yeah, not a chance

[ATiElite]

And it's less efficient and less powerful than an Intel so who cares.

Not really talking about the PS4 but just AMD cpu's in general

[DragonKnight]

Why do you make pointless comments like this?

[NarooN]

What do Intel CPU's have to do with this, lol? Absolutely nothing.

[indysurfn]

Since we are comparing xbox one to PS4 I have to wonder. You do know that Microsoft has the same brand cpu in the xbox one dont you?

You said not 'really' talking about, but if that was true you should have said not talking about xbone, and PS4. But you didn't.

[LordDhampire]

No they don't microsoft might be based off same processor but since they added esram to the die it would produce to much heat

[Magicite]

have u made benchmarks on it so u can prove your point?

[Persistantthug]

ATiElite makes pointless comments like these as his little subtle attempt to jab at consoles.

He's been angry for years with how consoles continue to get first class treatment, while PC gaming is relegated to second class treatment among the AAA budget developers and industry.

ATiElite is a bitter gamer and bitter n4g member....... basically.

[ATiElite]

Ha ha your too funny! AMD's suck NO MATTER WHAT THEY R IN!

http://www.n2g.us/2013/11/g...

there goes your second class right there!

PC we play games NOT talk about them!

[Persistantthug]

You're not playing GTA 5.....not on your PC.
Rockstar treats PC gaming as if it's second class.

Sorry.

[ATiElite]

How?

what Game besides Red Dead has NOT been on the PC from Rockstar?

GTAV PC will arrive when PS4-XB1 versions arrive.

your statements are so DUMB. Do you even think before you type....apparently NOT!

[Persistantthug]

Even if Rockstar does eventually bring GTA 5 to the PC, it would still be late, and thus, SECOND CLASS treatment.

Rockstar doesn't even care enough about PC gaming to be bothered bringing it on time.
Rockstar isn't the only one either.
I'm sorry but it is what it is.

[ATiElite]

is GTAV on PS4 or XB1 right NOW?

NO

So PS4 and XB1 are second class too right according to YOU, you stupid idiot.

you are so friggin STUPID! stop talking to me and go away. go play TLOU for the 99th time as you don't even have a PS4 yet.

[GoldenMonkey35]

Would it make a difference? the console is still underpowered just like the xbox one. I give the wii u a pass just because Nintendo seems to be the only one out of the big 3 to understand consoles cant compete with the pc market on trying to make super duper graphics and all that other stuff sony and ms try to brag about. Instead they focus on an affordable console that can make nice clean graphics with super fun games focusing on gameplay.

[Orbilator]

really? i have yet to see gears3 or killzone 3 beaten apart from res on a pc so stop talking utter nonsense

[Jovanian]

"i have yet to see gears3 or killzone 3 beaten apart from res........... and framerate and texture quality and anti aliasing and performance and tesselation and DX11 features and aesthetic"

Fixed that for you. Look at any high spec PC game and you will see it beats those two games in pretty much all categories I listed. Same for pretty much every other PS4 or XB1 'next gen' game which can barely handle 1080p and barely meet 60 fps, PC standards since for like a decade

[starchild]

That's because you are blind or looking through special fanboy goggles. Even the best looking games on PS4 like KZSF still don't look as good as the better looking games on PC.

Gears 3 and Killzone 3 look very poor compared to the best PC games.

[Statix]

They may look better, but Killlzone 3 or Gears of War 3 do not look "poor" by any means, even by today's standards.

[solidboss07]

Guess what. I spend a few hundred on a great console, and I am set for nearly a decade (PS4). I like women, sport and other things that require money, like life. I don't need to spend thousands just to up the resolution on a PC version of a console game.
Wow, look! I am playing 6 different WOW games at once on my amazing rig, while I4 internet pages are open...... yeah...... that's great, why don't you step outside and make some Vitamin D?

[JsonHenry]

Then, Orbilator, you know NOTHING of PC gaming. Because those games were beat BEFORE they came out on the console of choice. (in terms of graphics fidelity, I'm not speaking as the "fun" factor of the games)

[Soldierone]

Crisis proves graphics isn't everything.

[Jovanian]

ah yes...the classic sony response when they are called out on their hypocrisy for championing graphics when comparing their hardware to the XB1, but suddenly having a complete reversal in opinion when comparing their hardware to even a medium spec PC. I don't think I'd be able to handle that kind of dissonance

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Ah yes, the old PC fanboy wet dream of elitism, compare a machine that swaps specs at will vs a console with fixed specs.Even tho we all know it makes no sense, let's do it anyways to make us feel better about that $400 we blew on a GPU.

[sorane]

I could say the same about Killzone which is even worse in both graphics and gameplay.

[Jovanian]

@above

"Even tho we all know it makes no sense"

I don't see why consoles deserve special treatment and are suddenly not allowed to be compared to another piece of hardware that is used for gaming

[starchild]

Ah yes, the old console fanboy standby of screaming "elitism", while they turn around and act like true elitist douchebags to other console gamers. This is especially true of you Sony fanboys. Hypocrisy at its finest.

The only difference is, there really is fairly minimal difference between most of the consoles, while the PC is objectively far ahead.

Edit: sorane's right, you guys need to quit bashing Crysis all the time. If anything, Killzone fits that description better.

Metacritic scores:

Crysis = 91
Crysis Warhead = 84
Crysis 2 = 86
Crysis 3 = 76
Series average = 84.25

Killzone = 70
Killzone Liberation = 77
Killzone 2 = 91
Killzone 3 = 84
Killzone Mercenary = 78
Killzone Shadow Fall = 73
Series average = 78.83

[Soldierone]

Yeah we are happy about graphics and what we get out of it, but it doesn't mean everything. We also get exclusives and get excited for those too, when is the last time a PC fan was going nuts for games? Never, its always "well my 2k dollar computer can run it at two more frames a second than yours!!!!"

Yet when we talk games, PC fans just go "who cares, it'd run better on pc...." Guess what, you don't get it. You Don't like Killzone, yet you love Crysis because it "looks amazing" makes no sense.... No one on consoles cares at all that you spent so much money to run your PC at max settings, not a single console fan at all.

Sony fans and Xbox fans go at it with each other, then PC fans try to be the "elites" in it all. Stop, just go play your games and stop crying consoles hold you back.

[dantesparda]

Oh the irony of starchild calling anyone a fanboy. And yes the PC is a more capable platform.

[jebabcock]

Pc gaming is an atrocious experience out side of the fact that most of the games I like aren't developed for the pc... I also don't like having to buy a new graphics card Everytime I want to buy a game new and then still having compatibility issues or awful glitching that may or may not ever get fixed.

A console provides good graphics, reliable gameplay, and an Un matched game library for those who don't want to dump a large sum of cash into a pc to get a mediocre game experience with the potential for better graphics...

[Statix]

@starchild

Lol at the "fairly minimal difference" statement between the Xbox One and PS4. How is 100% greater number of pixels rendered in Call of Duty: Ghosts, and 60% greater in Battlefield 4 considered minimal? Are you too ignorant to acknowledge the massive difference between 1080p and 720p?

Fact of the matter is, PC hardware and console hardware cannot be directly compared. Consoles are fixed, closed architectures, while PC is open-architecture with an infinitely variable number of possible configurations. Comparing the two on a raw-power spec basis is moot, ESPECIALLY at this early stage when developers have yet to gain familiarity with optimizing for these new systems.

To lend you a bit of much-needed perspective, the PS3 is 7-year old hardware, equipped with an ancient 7800GTX GPU, yet it is still capable of pulling off gorgeous looking games like The Last of Us. That should tell you something about the potential longevity of these systems.

[Srelhow]

A gamer is someone who loves games and is willing to buy any piece of hardware that can expand there ability to play games and the choice of what to play on is there's alone to make. PC, PS3, 360, WII, WII U, PS4, and XB1 is just hardware for us to game on. So please can someone explain to me what the fuss is all about. Does the hardware make the game or does the game make the hardware. Does it matter that Joe plays on a Playstation and Sam plays Xbox or George likes PC, NO.... As long as they are getting a gaming experience they enjoy. By the way people can own more than one piece of hardware to game on you know. Right?????

SO PEOPLE, ALL GAMING PEOPLE, BE A GAMER ENJOY YOUR GAMES, AND THE HARDWARE YOU PLAY THEM ON. IT'S FUN. SO STOP WITH THE BLUE IS NOT RED OR GREEN, DUH WE HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT, ALL OF US HAVE, EVERYONE OF US. GET WHAT YOU WANT, TO PLAY THE GAMES YOU WANT.

[WeedyOne]

Crysis 1 was a very good game, its the sequels that sucked.

[webeblazing]

I don't think anyone brag about crisis and most of the comment here are coming out people a$$ cause the cant come up with a better argument. we see it all the time with the wii and wiiU the have the best exclusives but get downplayed buy ps fanboys. pc have a ton of exclusives that's not mmos and pc gamers don't forces their opinion of what games they like down people throat either.

pc have too many games too that's why people dont go nuts over one game. pc gamers heavily criticize games when its called for, and the main reason yall go nut over ps exclusive is because it made by sony and most people on this site is fanboys. point like I said look at Nintendo do you here Nintendo fans bashing people or saying their exclusive games is the greatest and ps has no games.

if sony next console would be a modular system that you can upgrade and swap out components everyone on this site would be jumping up and down stating how revolutionary it is.

and you don't need to upgrade your pc have to be ancient for that to happen you need a GTX 260 for ac4 that came out in 2008 so update is the same as consoles with more benefits

[AceBlazer13]

Must hurt you huh? pc being ignored by the masses while these two weaker consoles come and take the spotlight for themselves. must be boring in pc land, no one to compete with. GTFO and go to the pc articles

cause im sure everyone just can't wait to get the next big title on their pc. pc as a gaming platform is overshadowed by consoles maybe because they are specifically for gaming

[Jovanian]

" pc being ignored by the masses"

I'm pretty sure there are more homes in america that own a PC than there are that own a console...

[LeCreuset]

How many of those PC's are being used for gaming?

[LordNikon]

@Swadian

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the next-gen consoles being the center of attention for gaming news this past few months...

Anyway, dude. We get it. PC is awesome. I'm not even sure why you're trying so hard here.

[sorane]

@lecreuset

Does this answer your question?

http://i.imgur.com/ROM1wSM....

Now how about you show me how many people are gaming on your platform of choice :)

[LeCreuset]

@LordNikon

Their whole argument is utterly stupid. Of course people are going to compare one console experience to another console experience. That makes sense. If you are in the market for a console, you are going to compare the specs of those consoles to see which is the better console. These arguments that they are presenting are comparing apples to oranges and are about as dumb as trying to compare console gaming to gaming on a mobile phone.

[Jovanian]

@Lord

idunno, I'm just real tired of the hypocrisy of sony fans constantly hounding the XB1 for being so inferior and then turn around and act like graphics don't matter when toe to toe with a machine that is actually better than it. In reality the graphical difference between the XB1 and PS4 is marginal at best, and the only real difference is between a next gen console and a mid/high end PC. People act like the teeny tiny difference between Xb1 and PS4 is like the grand canyon, and then the difference between the PS4 and PC is suddenly irrelevant.

[LeCreuset]

@sorane

Not really, actually. For one, you only showed a graphic, but lets take that at face value. I want to know how many of those PC's are being used for gaming. Technically, you could play a game of solitaire or good ol' minesweeper on a PC and be classified as a PC gamer. I want to know how many people are using their PC's as dedicated gaming devices. How many people are keeping their PC's up to date with the latest tech to play the latest games? That's what I'm asking. And of those people, how many of them are BUYING games?

[webeblazing]

what type of question is that "How many people are keeping their PC's up to date with the latest tech to play the latest games?" who does this serious why do people post dumb question or just state dumb things on this site. it must be to downplay people choices. why would you need to keep you gfx card in you pc "always" up to date. seriously most of people argument on here is BS I started getting more into pc gaming like 4yrs ago and the gfx card I had can play all the games of today. it cost me $650 with everything except tv and windows pirated it(didn't feel like calling to put os on new pc).

[isa_scout]

Yeah, but tell me bro how was Uncharted and The Last Of Us on your super duper PC? Oh, you didn't play those games?Why? Oh, you don't have a console? There there don't cry, just run along now troll.
Every system whether it's a PC,PS3,360,WII, WII U,PS4, or XOne has good,fun, beautiful games. Don't look like a jackass by saying things that only a jackass would say.

[hesido]

You talk about Nintendo being affordable and omit the fact that performance per dollar is WAY higher for PS and XBox products, compared to nintendo products. You get way less performance per dollar on nintendo, and you talk about it as if it is a good thing.

[webeblazing]

system design is different for consoles Nintendo knows this that's his point that why they always try new things for gameplay purposes

nin >> lets mix it up try a new way to play (wii mote, new remote, light gun, glove, etc get it).

sony and ms >> lets just upgrade it(new gfx card, new cpu, more ram, etc get it)

[tontontam0]

for a $400 machine I think it is not underpowered.

[Bathyj]

So the clock speed is variable, and the one thing governing what speed to go up to is how many cores you want to use and how much heat you produce?

Thats pretty cool, is that normal?

So theoretically, all cores could sit on whatever speed they wanted to a certain point like 2 - 2.3 or so as long as it wasnt getting too hot.

Someone smarter than me want to tell me if thats correct.

Also, does anybody know if the Xbones is locked?

[HighResHero]

From what I've read so far, more cores a at a lower clock speed can help to reduce heat.

Provided the PSU can handle it, yeah they will probably be able to run at over 1.6 Ghz if it can stay cool.

I don't think they have every been confirmed to be locked at 1.6 ghz specially anyway though.
1.8+ limit feels a bit more reasonable.

@Below, this wouldn't be the first time Sony has kept power "hidden" from plain sight. The PSP RAM and flash ROM were doubled via firmware update and I think the clock speed of the processor as well.

[Sarcasm]

It's pretty normal stuff. Basically it's just going to be variable clock speeds and depending on the developers how much CPU processing they actually even need.

It's going to be similar to TurboCore on Vishera. Basically when it uses only a few threads, the cores could clock up higher. If for some reason all 8 cores are maxed, then the cores will clock lower most likely at 1.6ghz flat.

Whichever it's going to stay at a specific TDP for heat reasons.

[Skynetone]

my guess they will design the game to run at 2ghz across the board and when things get hectic on screen, like a few explosions then it will turbo up to max for the few seconds that it needs too, so the frame rate stays consistent

with the xbox one they will design the game to run at 1.5ghz and when the screen gets hectic it will raise up to 1.75ghz for a short time to keep the frame rate consistent

if they designed the xbox game to run at its max speed of 1.75ghz when things get hectic it has no where to go so the frame rate will drop for a few seconds

some people notice the frame rate drops some people don't, its up to the developers if they don't mind the occasional frame rate drop

if the ps4 can keep its self cool, they could have a game run at a constant 2.5ghz and let it turbo to 2.75ghz to iron out some of the explosions and more demanding effects

[firefly69]

Well didnt you people seen the latest infamous trailer with interview

http://n4g.com/news/1398080...

Brian Fleming says that they are not even using Cpu base power, all the work and power is been taken only on the GPU side.Just by this statement we can see how powerfull the Ps4 is since infamous looks amazing!Sony is well know for to hide secret sauce!

[sigfredod]

i will not bet my hand on this rumor, if the cpu could go up to 2.0 GHz sony would brag about it already, i put my money in around 1.5 - 1.8 GHz range

[n4rc]

Same...

The thing launched a week ago... How is this still a rumor?

If it were true. Sony wouldn't keep it to themselves with x1 launching tomorrow night... The only reason to stay quiet is because its not something they want publicially known...ie.. Its likely below 1.75

When has sony passed up a chance to brag about specs?

[kingdom18]

Not sure, but why use all of your cards now when you fine, use them when you really need them.

[jacksjus]

Well they didn't brag about having the DTS 7.1 Audio. They didn't brag that the camera that actually does a lot more than what they stated either.

[Statix]

Because even a clockrate of 2.75GHz is a lower number than the 3.2GHz figure of the PS3 and Xbox 360 processors, and it wouldn't look good on a purely PR basis to publicize specs that are even slightly inferior on any metric to last-gen consoles. The average stupid consumer would just be like, "Durr, why is the CPU worse?" upon seeing the lower number. Hence, why Sony has nothing to gain from publicizing said figure.

[Salooh]

But still a possibility if you think about it this way. Sony hide this power so that X1 make a weaker console . When they announce this they win easily ( like if they aren't winning right now XD ) .

They did hide the ram to developers so i wouldn't be shocked if they did that to the cpu too :P. But just like what you said , don't expect it..

[B-radical]

Hmm i dont think it's true. If it is then that means sony was planning on keeping more power from consumers which i dont see them doing.

[OpenGL]

That's not what this means at all, Intel's Turbo Boost and AMD's Turbo Core technologies simply allow power to be distributed in different ways. Applications that are not heavily multi-threaded can benefit as the chip diverts power from idle cores to active cores, allowing the clock speed and voltage to be increased.

The latest AMD PC APUs even allow the GPU's frequency to be increased / decreased based on the amount of thermal overhead available, so extra power can be diverted to the GPU if CPU cores are idle, and vice versa.

[Sm00thNinja]

Old, Microsoft also has access to Turbo core technology, this wouldn't be an advantage. The 2.75 although unlikely is theoretical and possibly. Microsoft is claiming a 10% CPU advantage but this was in a patent filed long ago. Highly unlikely Sony is proud of their beast. This wouldn't be kept secret

[Tooly]

That 10 Percent Is what They already Had They just gave it to the kinect....There Talking About Givinq It Back To Games.So Right Now the 1.32 tflops is decreased by 10% til they decide to give it back. Its really not an increase

[Belking]

lol...Thats totally bogus. You can't upclock a cpu that way or that much and not balance everything else, turbo or not. It just doesn't work that way.. It may be capable of it but it doesn't mean that it's running that. Don't be so naive people. Nothing in that backs up this ridiculous statement.

[Honest_gamer]

I don't understand ur comment, my i7-3610qm goes from 2.3 to 3.3ghz just fine I fact it's made to do that, so you saying it's not possible just sounds retarded to me, and my graphics card also does that with some crappy nvidia Optimus (anyone know how to remove this pm me PLEASE looked online found nothing)

Edit
Can notice the jump using dxdiag or cpu z and gpu z

[n4rc]

While I haven't had a desktop to upgrade in awhile.. That's not how it works.. Or it didn't

They dont overclock a 2.3ghz cpu to 3.3... But will under clock a 3.3ghz to 2.3 when it doesnt need the power.. Ive never known a cpu to do the opposite

[Sm00thNinja]

You have no idea what you're talking about, and your one bubble backs up that statement. In any case this is highly unlikely even if the PS4 AND XBONE are capable

[ZeroX9876]

Did anyone opened the link?

It says they can sacrifice the 8 core to a 4 core but at a higher clock speed. so not really an upgrade, but more of a easier job for 2 cores(or 4 cores) optimized games to be ported to PS4.

Do you know a lot of games optimized for 8 core CPU's even on PC? more cores means more latency between all of them compared to only one, but for heat issues multi-threading is a good option.

[Honest_gamer]

People need to get a grip look at the Mac mini doesn't even have a fan, about the size of a wii. If done right and using the right technology heat distribution is simple, I can play games on my mac all day and it's cold to the touch but has no fan.....

[HighResHero]

You bring up a good point, but thermal limitations are very real as well
Thermal limitations, along with battery, limitations etc. are the reason why tablets(for example) are still struggling to run games on par with 8 year old consoles.

[Honest_gamer]

Nice reply, didn't consider that.

On a side note I hate how they are trying to make tablets and phones out to be the playstation killer (or Xbox Nintendo what ever) anyone tried playing infinity blade on ur iPhone? U get a couple hours max on full charge and ur phone basically melts in ur hand.

[HighResHero]

Exactly, while "mobiles" progress, Laptops, Consoles, and PCs can progress at an even faster rate and aren't governed by the same battery, space, and thermal limitations.

Therefore, "Moore's Law" is variable, and doesn't even necessarily apply in every instance. Especially considering they are already having trouble manufacturing chips smaller than about 20nm. So, it is not only variable, but at this point dependent on the introduction of revolutionary manufacturing technology.

They can obviously coexist anyway which is what we've seen.

[theXtReMe1]

People refused to believe me from the start when I speculated that the CPU speed was variable. I didn't actually know that they could make it even faster depending on how many cores they were using. That's amazing.

Yes, the Xbox One is locked at 1.75Ghz.

If this is true, this makes the PS4 a totally scalable machine over the duration of the generation. Allowing developers to get the most out of the system, the best way they see fit. Again, amazing.

[Sm00thNinja]

THE XBONE has Turbo Core as well please don't spread false information. This isn't new and revolutionary technology

[SpideySpeakz]

doubt it :/

[its_JEFF]

This sounds dangerous!

[jhoward585]

It seem to me that when turbo is used a few cores are shut off and the remaining active cores gets overclocked from 1.6GHz to 2.75Ghz.

I think the turbo feature only runs during Boss fights, etc.

Not run for long periods of time.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

I don't think it's the case of scaling on the action, but rather as you change from a game to an app (or even another game that's optimezed for a lower number of cores/higher speeds).

[assdan]

I seriously doubt this, but it would be super awesome.

[DragonKnight]

*sigh* Why do PC gamers have to come in articles like these and think anyone is comparing consoles to PCs? Is it really insecurity, or is it compensation?

[MidnytRain]

I sympathize with those who wince at posts of praise for technically dated hardware.

[DCfan]

Inb4 starchi... oh wait...

[pwnsause_returns]

the Vtec of CPUs LMAO

[SkullBlade169]

Isn't this just a standard feature of all modern CPUs?

Nothing to see here...

[kewlkat007]

Meh...

[mysteryraz11]

pc gamers are just sad nerds, noone cares about the pcs games when the pcs most popular games are shit like league of legends and world of warcraft plus those flash games you find on facebook lol, outdated pc games sell more then bf or crysis on the pc, the difference is consoles have to be affordable they could easily make a console with the top bleeding edge hardware but they dont because of the price and the costs of mass producing it too over a million people

[Ipunchbabiesforfun]

PC gamers have every single game you can really ever think of that isn't a Playstation, Sega, Microsoft or Nintendo exclusive. So that accounts to a couple hundred games in its entirety you don't have on the PC. Batman arkham city and asylum, GTA series, Far Cry 2 and 3, Crysis 1, 2 and 3, Bioshock 1, 2 and Infinite, Alan Wake, Halo, Half Life, The Witcher 2, Oblivion, Battlefield 3.

I have a ton of PC games and am forgetting a bunch too...not one is league of legends or WOW.

[mysteryraz11]

lol multiplats sell better on the consoles, consoles are getting the pcs games planetside 2 warframe etc, pc has lost so many of its exclusives and best seller like minecraft,diablo,doom sim city, noone cares about graphics on the pc cause most of them are playing mmo and free games like league of legends, its moronic to brag about high end pcs cause if consoles were to have the best hardware they would be to expensive to produce and the price would be sky high, its not rocket science,all those games are on consoles to so pc pretty much has no exclusives aside from outdated looking games to brag about,why should I care about the pcs graphics when I can play games like uncharted 3 or last of us or god of war 3 on my freaking ps3 a machine with less then 512mbs to use for games

[webeblazing]

he says pc have no games but brag about the exclusives that made its way to ps4 typical fanboy. same just like witcher and games they wish the have or want like amnesia and star citizen. like I said before pc has too many games too list and people that game on pc is not going to force their opinion of what games they think is good down others throat like some fans(p$ fan.....) yea hes making himself look bad.

oh pc games comes out every single day and the fanbase is not snobby to overlook them just because their not made by sony or that their gfx isn't on the cutting edge of technology most pc gamers are nipping in the but the constant bashing that ps fanboy seems to do on every article and some just do it to give yall a taste of yall medicine.

[Holeran]

I am a Sony fanboy after being effed over by the rrod multiple times last gen but, Sorry not a chance.

[JuniorCE]

It wouldn't be a surprise at all... PS4 has got a better GPU and better Ram anyways...

[jacksjus]

This system just keeps getting better. I hope they use this on future games.

[mkis007]

I like the question mark at the end as if to make a it a valid title.

[jc12]

CANT....FIND...A...PS4...ANYWH ERE! MUST...PLAY...NOW.

[Corpser]

Still a slow CPU even at 2.75GHZ

[MasterCornholio]

That's why they designed it with GPGPU functionality.

Nexus 7 2013

[solidboss07]

Ohh, La la, Monsieur Playstation.

[jade0732]

If true, then this is a really good thing but I would't be throwing a party just yet! Let's wait for some solid proof first!

[kryteris]

Some how this must be true for consoles too, even though there is zero mention of it. Stupid article. All turbo core is, is lowering the speed on dormant cores, and increasing core 1 or two. This creates more heat and the issue with heat and consoles is that the gpu is fine, but the cpu shared with the gpu cannot get very hot. AMD cpu's are good at around 40-65, but gpu's are good up to 120.

[DJ]

Cool beans.

[windblowsagain]

@starchild

I'd say both games.

Crysis and Killzone both have some good and some bad titles within the series.

For me, CRYSIS 3 was better then 2.

KZ2 mp was better for me then 3. Although 3 ran better.

Both are good looking titles regardless.

As for the processer/gpu/ram at that price. It's a good system.

[elweon]

That would overheat this shitty system even more, probably the reason mine broke down so fast

[LeCreuset]

Seriously? Go somewhere with that nonsense. I feel for your system breaking on you. I do. I'm a fellow early adopter and we all fear that possibility, but the tolerance for the whining is wearing thin.

You and I are early adopters. We know what we are getting into. If you didn't realize getting a defective unit was a possibility when buying a newly launched console, then maybe you need to appoint a power of attorney to better make financial decisions on your behalf.

I don't begrudge people letting it be known they have a broken unit. That's actually helpful for consumers keeping track. Where it gets ridiculous is when people start posting all over the place about their broken system and you have people reporting on it and others reporting on those reports, and the whole thing gets spun up to seem way larger than it actually is. It's hysteria. It's to the point that now we're even doing articles on what the freaking shipping box for broken units looks like. Seriously, you are an early adopter. Act in a mature manner. Coming out and making a declarative statement that the system is crappy, and speculating on a rumor as causing your system to overheat, is ridiculous. Busted consoles represent less than 1% of the one million PS4's sold at launch. At this point you are going beyond being helpful and actually doing damage by causing undue worry to the vast majority who have functioning consoles.

[Drekken]

Your mom wouldn't give you your Christmas gift early. That's how I know you're lying.

[zippycup]

from what i was told this is tru but not all ps4 will get this clock rate and some might even go higher

when they make cpu's they don't specifically make 1.6 gh chips they make x amount of chips then stress test them

some will run cool at 1.6 and if you over clock a bit will crash so they lock it in at 1.6ghz

but some of thouse chips came out better and will run at 1.8ghz or 2ghz

and that's were overclocking comes in my guess is that xbox1 will be overclokable too but they were not made to run at this speed and to do it you would have to change thermal paste to something better and add a better cooling system that will most lickly be bigger than the consoles themselves

[mack1234]

"2.75GHz" is clock of GDDR5 memory

bus width 512bit * memory clock 2.75GHz = 176GB/s

PS4's GDDR5 memory has 176GB/s bandwidth

[HardcoreDaBoss]

bs the cpu runs at 1.6- 1.8 ghz tops using all cores. half of more would be disables running this turbo.

[ninjahunter]

Eh, not like it matters :/
Weve already seen the PS4's General Capabilities.

[Adityac]

Lol

[Animal Mutha 76]

Bollocks. It would melt.

[fullmetal297]

I doubt it, seeing as the console unit itself is already compacted and the power supply is probably rated at a certain wattage.

Just because the CPU is rated doesn't the system itself is capable of running at that clock speed stably.

[Ohai]

I wouldn't care about a power brick outside the console if the cpu could've been ramped up. O well

[HardcoreDaBoss]

this is nothing special if true.. Amd disables soe cores to use turbo and Its not always on... look at comcast powerboost its only good for faster loading and stuff. not dissing sony im just stating facts.

[mmj]

I would have thought that in a console things like 'turbo' were bad, consoles should be fixed specification... dynamically changing frequencies is going to cause problems for developers.