Polygon Caught Lying About PS4 on Their Xbox One Stream

Jeremy Conrad writes: This morning, gaming site Polygon is doing a twelve-hour live stream showing off the Xbox One. Right before the comical demo of Dead Rising 3, where most of the voice commands didn’t seem to work and they couldn’t even snap Internet Explorer correctly, a panel of editors discussed the system that the site seems to be carrying so much water for. During this panel, site Editor-in-Chief Chris Grant stated a couple times that one advantage the Xbox One has over the PS4 is that the Xbox One supports remote controls and the PS4 does not. He even used the example that grandma would want to use the Xbox One over the PS4 because she wouldn’t want to use the Dual Shock 4 to watch a movie. Later, he used the example of Netflix on how the Xbox One is a superior choice over the PS4 for Netflix because of remote support. The problem with these statements is that they are lies.

[GarrusVakarian]

Polygon is biased?

I would never have guessed! /s

For "professionals", many people in this industry can be extremely petty. I expect it amongst the general gaming population....but not industry professionals.

Never cared for Polygon anyway.......Now i will actively avoid them.

[-Foxtrot]

So despite the problems...they give it an 8 while the PS4 got a 7.5

Hmmmmmmm

I'm sorry but I wish some higher ups in the games industry would call them out. This is ridiculous.

Hell they even blocked the guy for pointing this out lol

[xHeavYx]

Lies! Polygon is the most unbiased website ever, they never got almost $1M from MS... /s

[blitz0623]

Wow he blocked Jeremy. How unprofessional can you get?

[ZodTheRipper]

After seeing HipHopGamer being banned it hurts my soul seeing Polygon and Adam Sessler articles on this site ...does N4G really need more proof that these guys are the worst examples of gaming journalism that's out there right now? I mean even Kotaku is acceptable compared to them.

[SpringHeeledJack]

If HHG can get banned from this site then so should polygon with their lies and trolling. If the mods are truly unbiased on here then polygon will be banned from n4g after this.

[JhawkFootball06]

@Foxtrot

Wait so since they rated the Xbox One higher, you are wanting higher ups in the game industry to call them out as frauds? I hate fanboyism but is it seriously getting to this degree??

[Kryptix]

I have said it since many months now, why can people still post Polygon articles on N4G when they are heavily biased to the point where they spread misinformation?

Polygon are the cancer of gaming journalism. I mean, we all have our preferences but that site only has a bunch of people with only one preference when it should be almost even on both sides. They know where they stand, as a bunch of shills, disagreeing with an unfair review or false statement gets you banned there.

[scott182]

@JhawkFootball06

It's not because it got rated higher at all, that is not what this is about. They lied about the remote control not working on it! Are you seriously defending them? This has nothing to do with fanboyism and everything to do with giving consumers false knowledge about a piece of hardware.

[Statix]

I really am surprised that journalists from other more "reputable" gaming sites (I use that term loosely), like Gamespot, IGN, or Giantbomb, never call Polygon out for their blatant bias and conflicts of interest. Are they all part of a media pact to not insult each other, or what?

After Jeff Gerstmann got fired because an advertiser got mad at him, you would think he'd be the first guy in line to lambaste Polygon and their shill antics.

[badboy776]

Let's Ban Polygon from N4G!!!

[abc1233]

@JhawkFootball06: I'm guessing they were separate points. The amount of questionable activity from Polygon has been endless, especially with Gies.

[ziggurcat]

@ jhawk:

"@Foxtrot

Wait so since they rated the Xbox One higher, you are wanting higher ups in the game industry to call them out as frauds?"

polygon repeatedly rates anything sony lower than anything MS-related. it's because MS lines their pockets.

[-Foxtrot]

@JhawkFootball06

Fanboyism...it's not about fanboyism, it's about right and wrong.

They lied in their live stream when they tried to make it look like the Xbox One had one over the PS4 when it didn't and despite the problems it's having on the live stream they gave it a better score. Sorry but I wouldn't really give that an 8.

It's not about being a fanboy, yeah I prefer the PS4...AT THE MINUTE because Sony actually give a crap about the core community and gamers in general. What Microsoft this gen has shown us is once they have your money the support will be minimum because they will get to save as much money as they can.

Oh and when I said I wanted them called out...it was for their bad journalism in general and how unprofessional they are. The guy got blocked for pointing something out

[DragonKnight]

Guys, HHG didn't get banned for flamebait articles/titles or for being a fanboy. He was banned for plagiarism.

Polygon, much like Kotaku, is here to stay. Mods will say that these sites get more upvotes than downvotes, but one already said that Kotaku has had a massive number of downvotes, dwarfing all upvotes, and still isn't gone.

The upvote/downvote system on N4G for sites doesn't work. It's either incorrectly implemented, or completely ignored. Unfortunately, as long as people keep submitting stories from these worthless sites, we'll always see them here.

[blackbeld]

N4G should ban Polygon for infinity!

Bias journalism should not be allowed. They are a bunch of freaking fanboys that calls themselves journalist.

Ban them!

[Kryptix]

@Foxtrot

That's what bothers me the most, when Jeremy got called a "weird dude" for pointing out a false statement they made and he even linked the video shown in the article as proof.

http://furiousfanboys.com/w...

The best thing that could of been done is admit that they were wrong in the Twitter post. Instead he banned Jeremy like the truth hurts, that's bad journalism right there. And they call themselves professional...

[its_JEFF]

I think it's pretty sad, as an industry, that most of the professional "journalist" aren't very professional. A lot of them don't even adhere to journalistic practices.

It's honestly really hard to find an unbiased gaming centric site these days. That being said, I've always found GiantBomb to be one of the most unbiased sites out there.

[NarooN]

So who's down to ban Polygon from N4G? The site is literally full of shills, they make it blatantly obvious and have no shame about it. They're literally worse than Kotaku.

It's interesting how people point out HHG -- HHG may have had sensationalist titles, but he wasn't nearly as bad as Polygon.

[Eonjay]

Whats a Polygon?

[solidjun5]

@its_JEFF

I really like GiantBomb. I just find them on point.

As for Polygon, I think they just want hits. Just don't give it them. I know it's hard, but I just don't read their stuff. I go to Giantbomb. I'm sure Hankmoody will say Polygon has integrity.

[morganfell]

Polygon are not staffed by professionals. They are not journalists but rather reporters. The chasm that lies between those two endeavors is as wide as the sea.

[abzdine]

let's ban them bit***s !!!!

[ProjectVulcan]

COD Ghosts has TOO MANY FRAMES on PS4. Deduct 0.5 from review!

Killzone Shadow fall has awesome grafix, but is same old

5/10

Forza 5 has decent grafix, is same old and less content

9/10

Polygon, oooohhhhhhhh yeaaaaaaaa.

[gaffyh]

To be fair, most of the Polygon employees are complete idiots. So I can see them not understanding how a remote control works. Also, they must really be stupid if they think Sony won't release a PS4 remote at some point, they did it for PS2 and PS3, why would they stop now.

Their entire stream was quite biased, you could tell from the tone of their talking on the PS4 stream (they went into it expecting to hate it), and with the Xbone stream, they were EXTREMELY forgiving. To the point where they said something along the lines of:

"Kinect voice commands didn't work well for me, but when they worked, they worked really well, so it must have been my room or something."

What the shit...

[maddskull]

see the reviews they gave killzone 5 and most xbox games are higher than 7 and they gave forza a 9 which they dont deserve

[user5575708]

no idea who polygon is but i will make a point to not trust them

[tiffac008]

Welcome to the new age of gaming media where they no longer check for facts.

[Enemy]

And they're still getting money from Microsoft. That 750k was just to get the site going. This isn't the first time Microsoft gets their own slaves caught, paying random no-name websites to fabricate utter bullsh*t about PS4.

[rainslacker]

@Gaffy

Just an FYI. Sony is already releasing a blu-ray remote on 1/31/14. I'd imagine it will work for all the streaming apps like the PS3 remote did.

http://www.gamestop.com/ps4...

[badz149]

yeah...it's just Polygon being Polygon!

UNPROFESSIONAL AND STUPID! so...what's new?

[pixelsword]

My blog doesn't sound so stupid now, eh? Find the liars, find the lies...

This is just the continuation of what's been going on in one form or another by professionals and fanboys alike.

@DragonKnight:

What did HHG plagiarize? I'll need proof on that one. If I'm not mistaken, a LOT of sites were ripping off Tor Davis, and none of them were banned, and Tor Davis could tell you that himself.

[FamilyGuy]

Polygon has been down voted to hell on here yet the mods allow it to still have its articles and reviews posted because they think of it as a big enough site to be above the democratic voting system.
It annoys me because they are BLATANTLY in MSs pocket, they show more bias then some Xbox-focused site. All they're doing is weighing the game journalist industry down.

[minimur12]

To be honest I didn't know until this video showed up, it's kindof a 'backdoor' way into controlling the PS4 with a remote, so I believe them saying that it doesn't support remote control [NATIVELY]

Also, can you controll blue ray/dvd playback with the remote? (pause/start/ff/rw)

[kerrak]

Not sure which one is better Lolygon or Poliesgon

[NoLongerHereCBA]

Why some people here get so many likes is beyond me.

@ vulcanproject. I'm not a racing fan; but comparing Forza Motorsport 5 to Killzone Shadowfall is really strange. Furthermore saying that FM5 didn't improve in anything besides the graphics just shows how biased and unrealistic you are as well as other people here.

I'm not saying that KZSF is a bad game, because I would love to play it if I had a PS4 even if it was just for the graphics alone and to see what some of my friends have been working on.

But FM5 is using the cloud (yes I dare say it) for things like AI, which is completely new. Whereas I read that the AI in KZSF is sometimes really dull. I would still rather play KZSF than FM5 though, since I prefer FPS games over driving games even if it received a lower score.

But as I said; it's difficult to compare them, since KZSF is being negatively graded due to the story etc, which is non-existent in this racing game.

Just enjoy the games you play and don't put so much faith in online reviews. If you want a game buy it and judge for yourself.

[ProjectVulcan]

VaizardNL

I hope you realise that polygon's marking system is blatantly flawed if they believe KZ is a 5 and Forza 5 is a 9, based on what they said in both review.

Forza 5 is a nice title, but its NOT, NOT a step change from Forza 4 by any means, and is marked lower by most sites because it lacks so much content it feels like half a game.

Secondly the one thing you pick out as new, the cloud AI, has come under fire by multiple reviews.

Many reviewers felt it actually detracts from the game, because the AI they were racing were racing like idiots. They were racing like you would online, over aggressive and making lots of stupid mistakes causing silly accidents.

If Turn 10 intended to create the hallmarks of poor online racing for offline races, then they did it and the AI is irritating. Irritating or dumb, take it as you will.

There is no way Polygon justified Forza 5 getting a 9 in their review if you read back the Shadow fall one, and concentrate on their criticisms

[pyramidshead]

Shill site gotta shill.

To be fair, it can be narrowed down to just Gies. But that whole live stream there was some serious FUD spreading without any shame.

[iDadio]

Some will sadly believe the FUD to, their opinion should hold no weight to anyone personally and they should be taken off meta

[EXVirtual]

Polygon got 750k from MS. They'll lie about anything.
They give crappy scores to games on Playstation as well. Even though the PS4's CODG stutter issue was because the PS4 was exceeding 60fps, Polygon won't make an update to their review.
A lot of gaming journalists do what they do because they get money. Why do you think IGN gives COD 9's (8.8 for COD Ghosts) every year?

@-Foxtrot, fair enough.

[-Foxtrot]

True

But they only do it when a Sony game threaterns a game which is made by MS coming out in the same month

Take State of Decay and The Last of Us...they both came out the same month

However

Beyond Two Souls got a solid 8...but nothing from MS was coming out in October.

It only happens when it NEEDS to happen as I've noticed.

[N2NOther]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they gave that score because they liked it. I would give every COD outside of Ghosts anywhere between a 9 (Black Ops, WAW, COD 3, MW3) and 10 (Call of Duty 4, MW2, COD 2, Black Ops 2) and I don't get paid to do so. Weird, huh?

[NoLongerHereCBA]

A stutter that seems like a framedrop is still a stutter. Doesn't matter whether it is due to more FPS or less. If it makes a game less playable, it should be counted as such.

Not updating the review depends on whether the patch came before the release of the console and game or after. Games rarely to never get updated depending on patches after release. Don't expect people to alter reviews simply because it makes you feel better.

If the patch came pre-release, then I would expect them to update it. But I don't know if that was/is the case.

[BABY-JEDI]

I'm actually seeing Polygon as being intentionally more critical towards Sony while showing adverts for the XB1. As for KZ review. The reviewer had already went on the record as not liking the series. This is clearly not impartial & unprofessional.

[CryofSilence]

No one takes them seriously anyway. Even fanboys should be cautious about what they say because they will deceive you too.

[Veneno]

You're wrong about that. They are on Metacritic and they have a large community that listens to what they say. People do take them seriously. and that's why this is a problem.

[CryofSilence]

Correct. Addendum: No one should take them seriously.

[Sevir]

They got a a start up fund from MS, so they pander to them more, the guys over there aren't a great bunch of journalists! In fact calling them journalists is false, they are just writers who biasly troll the industry we love and support, I'm glad Shu ripped one of the editors there a new one with the troll review of "The Last Of Us" they personally shouldn't be able to score interviews abd such since most of their stuff is either false or blatantly biased.

[OlgerO]

Why does polygon still have credibility at all ( metacritic for example ) they have proven to be a biased unprofessional site.

[AgitatedOcelot]

Calling another member of the media who is also a former IGN editor, a "creep" and blocking him on twitter for calling you out for false information is about as unprofessional as it gets.

Like parent company needs to start firing level unprofessional.

[shammgod]

Great quote to complete your thoughts...bubble to you!

"Never cared for Polygon anyway.......Now i will actively avoid them".

[MikeGdaGod]

not only that....but you can use the PS app on your phone or tablet to fully control the PS4

[pivotplease]

I always preferred ps3 netflix to 360 and pc netflix, so I'm not sure where these multimedia arguments spring from. PS3 and PSP ended up having ridiculous media capabilities after a few updates, and I expect PS4 to go in the same direction.

[kneon]

And that might be why PS3 is the top platform for NetFlix.

[pivotplease]

Is it? I think that makes sense considering all the people I know who run netflix on their ps3. Anyone notice the new update of the user interface? I'm wishing there was a way to change the settings because the picture in the top half makes it so you can only see half the selection you previously could.

[badboy776]

Ban Polygon from N4G!!!

[PSjesus]

Polysoft http://static.gamespot.com/...

[nosferatuzodd]

lol what else is new

[MightyNoX]

Microsoft can't win in a head-to-head battle, so they resort to misinformation, belittling customers, bullying reviewers and throwing money to make people insult Sony.

I feel sick to my stomach...

[WorldGamer]

You should throw it up man. But nothing washes that sour taste from your mouth. It is very sad and disgusting. Well said sir.

[Gazondaily]

"I feel sick to my stomach..."

Really? -__-

#firstworldproblems

[devwan]

Polygon staff's only preference is increasing the girth of their wallets...

Shame. On. Them.

[Jilokle]

Phoneygon...one of misterFAKEmedia favorite gaming websites. Nuff said.

[reaperofsouls]

bouycot in progress

[Tapewurm]

Polygon needs a Polygraph 8)

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

ROFL polygon

[adorie]

Polygon, huh... not even surprised. they've been blacklisted since the last of us review. mf'ers.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Well looks like Polygon is never to be trusted. I don't want my reliable sources to spread, lies and misconceptions about games and more importantly the system.

Chris Grant needs to step down from his position since he clearly can't do his job right.

Matter of fact what the hell is goin on this year? First Adam Orth's #DealWithIt and now Chris Grant's calling people creeps?

Gaming journalism is is becoming a joke and we as gamers fanboy or no fanboy need to take control of this.

[mrpsychoticstalker]

Sony bots find anything against the Xbox one. I have both systems already. My ps4 works perfect on my xb1.

[GarrusVakarian]

We don't have to "find" anything bad about it, it comes in a steady stream, have you not been paying attention this past year?

[hqgamez]

Honestly. Where in the world did this site even come from. I've been using n4g since 2011, but its not until this year I see news from polygon. They got a nice site, but they are trash bias fox news people to me.

[Am_Ryder]

It's founded by a bunch of professionals from other sites- the founder of Kotaku Brian Crescente is one of them. So it IS a very new site indeed.

And I agree with your analysis- I love their site physically, it's really stylish and well thought out and intuitive and they do ingenious things with the layout. It's a very, very modern magazine format.

The problem is, all of the money and true talent they have seems to go into the design and web hosting area. The actual writing there is okay, and the reportage is okay, but the criticism is just... Disgustingly bad. So often off the mark and misinterpreting certain things. I try to veer away from saying sites are biased- but they definitely need to check their shit in this case!

[kparks]

U guys just figured this out didn't they give TLOU a like 5 outta 10 or something stupid? There credibility has been garbage!

[showtimefolks]

the way i look at it there are some gaming sites and some reviewers who i just don't trust

I know gametrailers is owned by the parent company that is owned by MS yet they are still very fair IMO

gamespot since the whole jeff firing/kane and lynch stuff has been spot on, they will point out very minor things in their reviews and are really strict but sometimes you need to find out everything and gamespot is the place

ign has few reviewers who i like on playstation team

but one thing i have noticed is how american gaming media gives MS a free pass but not to sony or nintendo, its funny and sad how MS gave up on core gamers for last 3-4 years but still got praised and some of their E3 conferences were graded higher than sony when sony showed games compared to dance central

angryjoe is also really fair

[kenshiro100]

Its really disgusting to see how fanboyism gets in the way of being a true gamer these days. It's one thing to like a console, but to turn around and produce lies just to downplay the other is just pathetic.

[Gamer1982]

That feature of controlling with remote was on PS3 I use my Panasonic TV remote to control my PS3.

[Volkama]

Article is not really false. PS4 doesn't do voice controls for Netflix unless you buy an optional extra (the camera).

No, grandma wont be watching Netflix wearing that earbud it comes with.

The number of righteous fanboys reacting to this non-story is hilarious. Sadly I'm probably too late to achieve the 100+ disagrees other rational folk have been given.

[Murad]

I thought Polygon were supposed to be a company that wasn't biased since they started up as nobodies and then became a bigger journalist company. Pitiful, they had everything and now they're trying to lose it. O well, time to go back to Giantbomb, at least they tell me if they're bulls***ng me or not.

[Kingthrash360]

dem guys are known fanboys though. this is why gaming media is down the toilet.
so few real sites out these days.
i miss gamepro

[NarooN]

GamePro was awesome, dude! I still have around a hundred or more of their mags in my closet, lol.

[Kingthrash360]

lol! man me too! ive recently gone back to look at how they reviewed back then...so far ahead of whats happening now.

[kingPoS]

Gamepro & Electronic Gaming Monthly were the best! Maybe it's the age of information that makes some journalists complacent. Back then, you had to visit the game studios themselves to get detailed info on a game.

If you're a lazy journalist that doesn't do the actual footwork, the effort he or she put in will most assuredly show. (or not)

Gateway MT6706 2008

[kenshiro100]

Gamepro was amazing. I used to get books from them all the time.

[STEWIE_PLAY_PS4]

It Polygon is Xbox fanboy I knew.... Check on YouTube Polygon channels has lot Xbox XD

[Crossbones]

*SMH*

[WeAreLegion]

Did these guys pay their way onto Metacritic or something?

[HighResHero]

Don't worry, they will just pretend they aren't biased by giving Second Son a 9/10 or something.

Look out for the incoming, "Look PS4 isn't that bad and we totally kinda reluctantly dig it" article.

[Clunkyd]

I don't think that they're clever.

[WeAreLegion]

I did a bit of research...and I might not be far off, actually. They were on Metacritic within a couple months of starting the website. NOBODY gets on Metacritic that fast. I'm going to investigate a bit more and write an article.

[MysticStrummer]

We'll look forward to your findings. On behalf of all lazy yet inquisitive gamers, I applaud your initiative.

[blackbeld]

@WeAreLegion.

Thats great, let us know when you know more. I also never heart of them since a couple of months ago.

They are Meta cheaters for sure.

[Am_Ryder]

I do some freelance writing too- and I'd love to see what you come up with.

However, I'm pretty sure that Metacritic will take sites on board on a set of criteria, e.g. "are they an accredited site?"

Which Polygon will be- they obviously have the money to get professionally accredited and recorded as a private sector organisation.

"Do they have a high enough readership?"

Which they do- i'm pretty sure Polygon gets hundreds of thousands of views a day.

Etc. etc. I reckon Polygon are totally legit enough to get on Metacritic. Their quality is just so shit in comparison to most of the industry.

[zpoc]

well, they're an offshoot of the verge, which was probably on metacritic before the bulk of their gaming news was moved to polygon. polygon also has a number of veteran game journalists which gives them some clout.

not trying to defend them, or anything - i find their game coverage pretty weak, in general.

[TemplarDante]

Glad Jeremys article is on here.
To those late to the party, Polygon is a MS Mouthpiece parading around as a legitamate multi console website. Do not trust anything they say, especially that nut job Arthur Gies.

[Pintheshadows]

And this comes as a surprise to no one. Polygon is a bad site anyway. It isn't even in their bias, it is in the quality of their work. Poor previews, poor reviews, poor writing quality overall.

[jackdaddy]

Did you see their review of The Last Of Us? Comical to say the least....

[cyberninja]

Loligon strikes again!!!

[MidnytRain]

Wait, is that a play on "laugh out loud" or "lolicon"?

...

lol...

[Kayant]

Well now looking at the thread over at gaf ---> http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

At this post from the thread about comments made during the PS4 stream am not really surprised -->

"Vita UI is ugly.
PS4 is a game console with no games.
Games resolution matters to very few.
Sony didn't included the camera to undercut MS because its what Sony does.
UI and OS is not good.
Navigation on vita sucks.
Remote play is only for the Japanese market.
Remote play is pretty useless... Remote Play would definitely be cooler on Xbox because tv.
Microsoft is the only one producing new IP's."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[OrangePowerz]

They really said that? Jesus they are not biased at all.

By mistake disagreed.

[Mr-Dude]

And this is their X1 recap

Xbone is awesome.
Look at this UI. Beautiful.
Such speed.
The Frame Rate and Resolution in these games is just right for what our human eyes can see.
Great new IPs like Dead Rising 3, Forza 5, Killer Instinct reboot, Panzer Dragoon spiritral successor, Zoo Tycoon and of course Kinect sports
The TV stuff is so great
Who needs streaming right now? We can watch streams, that's enough!

[NarooN]

Dude this quote from Crecente takes the fucking cake:

"I had more problems than most people, probably because of my room or whatever, but it does work really well."

So to recap, he had constant problems with it, but it works perfectly.

Yeah, they're definitely not MS shills, there's no way. /s lmao.

[Mr-Dude]

Yeah, I saw that one... I was like WOW and thought in that guys thoughts

"How far do you want me to bend over MS? A little further? Okay..."

[fooltheman]

More lies from them....

[Lionalliance]

What's with Polygon hate towards anything Sony?

[GarrusVakarian]

Money from the hand of MS, what else?

Industry pro's for you, ladies and gents! These are the people who are supposed to be completely UNbiased as many people rely on them for news, reviews , info etc.

Corrupt, biased, paid off.....just like the real news!

[ziggurcat]

they are/were funded by MS.

[ZodTheRipper]

$$$
Must be hard working there and not being allowed to having an opinion.

[sashimi]

Maybe they are Reputation Management for MS lol

[HugoDrax]

What's with Polygon hate towards Sony?

What's with N4G hate towards Microsoft?

Everyone hates everyone!

[Pintheshadows]

I hate MS, not because of their games consoles which aren't bad, but because of everything about Windows 8.

[GarrusVakarian]

I hate MS, but love their games (103k gamerscore).

What a dilemma.....I hate to hand over money to MS, but i love games way too damn much to miss out.

[Majin-vegeta]

I hate M$ cuz where ever they decide to stick their nose in they try to ruin it.

[Hicken]

I hate MS because they're not a consumer-friendly company. And because they infiltrated gaming and have somehow convinced millions that they ARE consumer-friendly, even when pushing anti-consumer agendas.

[razrye]

I hate ms because they copy other people's ideas, re brand them, over hype them and use words like'dynamic'.

[devwan]

I hate Microsoft because.

[MRMagoo123]

N4G is supposed to be an unbiased review site, its a forum site where people are supposed to give their opinions on articles, we arent meant to be professional, i dont see how ppl not liking MS on this site has anything to do with polygon and their obvious lying about the ps4.

[Baka-akaB]

While i can have positive opinions on some games and studios , or even features ... i have no reason to like Microsoft .

Why would i ? I've seen the same antics and worse , sometimes monopolistic and anti competition in nature , since their pc days in the late 80-90s .

What confuses , amuses and amazes me even since the late 00s , is how they managed to get cheerleaders and people defending or even loving them , on the account of their of their most sneaky or pernicious actions , actually being positive , or isolated "incidents" rather than their usual and traditional business politics .

And they have the Xbox to thank for that , it made them reborn virgins in the eye of many , despite everything . Wich shows how good they indeed are ... or how clueless some are

[Riderz1337]

Microsoft gave them $750K lol

[mshh4]

I am really don't know how people's give a care to this site it's a bullshit comes from a crap

[FanOfRootBeer]

That was a sentence and a half, mate.

[MaverickStar7]

It's either they are lying, or don't know what they are talking about. Neither would surprise me.

[Pintheshadows]

Par for the course for the gaming media. I have seen so much misinformation in the last few months that it has me stunned.

How some of these people can call themselves gamers, let alone 'gaming journalists' is beyond me.

[MaverickStar7]

Agreed. I was just in a discussion yesterday about this. In my mind I try to separate their gaming opinions from their journalistic ability. I treat all the journalists reviews and opinions like any others. Just one persons thoughts. But I do expect professional journalists to provide informative and well done articles or videos. And to provide accurate information. This was not that at all.

Its the internet age we live in, and I don't see it getting any better.

[GryestOfBluSkies]

polygon has no credibility

[ar00043]

new low...

[just-joe]

Well I guess this calls for
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[devwan]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[crazysammy]

You win!

[BattleTorn]

Did the menu not click to the left one too many times @0:35???

[Call_Of_Doggy]

Polygon ....
Grrrrr Grrrrr
Grrrrrrr

[lifeisgamesok]

This article is Reaching badly

Remote control usage

I bet he thought he was right about that one feature

I don't know every feature of each console but I know which kind of games I want to buy

[Ghosts]

This website polygon is a joke!1 i vote for banned n n4g!!

[Software_Lover]

so "any remote" vs "specific remotes" should have been used vs you just cant use any remote with the ps4.

[Pillsbury1]

You should see how Adam sessler praises forza 5, he gave it a 5 out of 5. If I ever suspected Adam of being biased, his review of that game clinched it.

[Snookies12]

Yeah, let's just forget glaring issues like fans not appearing in the stands when looking in the mirror. (They must all be vampires lol)

[BlindMango]

Why was he calling him a "creep"? He doesn't know anything about CEC so he calls the guy a creep for trying to teach him about it?

[iamnsuperman]

That is what annoys me most about this story. All he had to do was apologies or clear up the misunderstanding. Not to call a guy (who is right) a creep and block him. These journalist really need to become more professional

[BlindMango]

I actually tried my remote by simply pressing the arrow buttons and it works perfectly! I never had the idea to try that out actually, lol - I just turned CEC on for the PlayStation turning on when I turn the TV on and things like that

[cyclindk]

Ha, and if true, tell him his MOM will need a Gold membership to get access to that Netflix...

Microsoft does a feeeeew things right, but then they still shaft people with no lithium ion, paywalls for services freely usable elsewhere and propriety limitations (mic).

And is it true you can't upgrade the HDD? Only go through external?

[boeso]

Awkwaaaard.

*receives money bag*

Awkwardness redeemed!

[Dasteru]

Blocking someone and calling them a creep just for calling him out on a blatant lie... talk about massively douchy. The entire gaming community on twitter should block Polygon.

[leemo19]

Not surprise, credibility at polygon has been at a all-time low since the TLOU review.

[solidboss07]

If I want to watch anything disc based or stored on HDD on my PS3 then I can just use my T.V remote. No Dual shock controller needs to embarrass my living room with its presence. Grand Ma could do the same.

Do the next gen consoles not allow this?

(You know? Through the HDMI, on Samsung Television sets its called AnyNet, ect.
I think GrandMa would rather use a remote, than get institutionalised because she was 'talking to herself'?).

[jocelot]

is this guy from polygon a journalist? by his attitude and the way he doesn't accept any criticism when he is wrong, i guess he isn't.. well, maybe he really is a journalist, but he was playing too many video games during class time...

[WorldGamer]

Wow. The saddest part is how me blocked the guy for pointing out a fact. These days you are considered a creep for bringing up a legitimate point of contention?

Reasonable debate about the merits of one product over another has died off, kudos to this guy for calling out these clowns at Polygon on their BS.

[unjust75]

The polygon site is supported by Microsoft that's why.

[aquamala]

all of this is about... remote support?

[MRMagoo123]

no check out the other lies that spouted during the whole stream via neogaf link.

[Godmars290]

Any point of asking if they did a review of the PS4 and to what degree?

[ziggurcat]

is this anything to do with the HDMI link option in the settings menu? if so, did polygon just forget to check the box off, and assumed that remotes weren't supported?

[gamertk421]

Furious Fanboys, huh?

leaves quietly

[_FantasmA_]

It makes sense for us regular people to be fanboys. Sometimes its because we don't have money for all consoles. Sometimes its because its fun to fight with other people the same way people pick a sports and create rivalries with others. And sometimes we legitimately love/hate what one company is doing and choose the competitors console.

But for gaming "journalists" and reviewers it doesn't make sense for them be biased. I mean they get free stuff and make a living playing and writing about video games so they should be neutral just by the fact alone that they get to play more games than us. Clearly they get paid or get more free stuff from certain companies and developers if they are biased.

[Lulz_Boat]

POLYRETARDS

[cell989]

The best part was when the jackass Polygon editor blocked the guy who called him out, very classy Polygon, I will actively avoid any BS this website spews

[MediaStinger]

Taking $750k from Microsoft, TLOU 7.5/10, rating the Xbox One higher than PS4 and now lying about features... All credibility at Polygon is lost.

[GdaTyler]

Did they ever have any credibility? Just a bunch of douchebags.

[SpinalRemains138]

That's not even a big deal.

Their whopper was giving Shadow Fall a 5. Hahaha the best looking console game to date got a 5. Lol

[EffectO]

lol@manabyte

haha,wtf are you trying to do now?

[TristanPR77]

I stopped reading Polygon a very long time ago because it is absolutely obvious they preference with xbox and how they constantly trash PlayStation.

People, simply avoid Polygon and session. They has been caught many times, they don't have any credibility.

[REALZILLA]

Gaming news is following the way of mass media. GE drops bank on NBC not to get bad press. What is the difference. A lot of where are our true games at. Where are the Snowdens of the game world? All true journalist are extinct. They died with Watergate. They are getting paid and don't care. Hard work is a thing of the pass, it is who has the biggest wallet.

[shadowT]

As far as I understood polygon.com got funding from one of the big players. This development is not good for gaming journalism. Is Polygon really a gaming site or a viral advertising page?

[AgitatedOcelot]

I totally didn't know about the HDMI-CEC thing. I had a really old tv up till last month that didn't support anything like that but now I have a Sony W900 so I'm sure it must, but does anyone know if this will work through my receiver? Because I have my PS4 hooked up through an onkyo avx 290. It has something like this cause the TV remote can control the volume on the receiver right now. But I have no idea if this will or how to get this to pass through the receiver to the PS4.

CEC is a feature I'm totally new to, so maybe someone can advise me on this?

[Caleb_H]

Is it just me, or were neither of these consoles truly ready?

[joshmille99]

Don't know why this shocks anyone. They do the same thing on Polygon's site when they are called on BS.

[Angerfist]

lol furiousfanboys.com??? really?

[AceBlazer13]

Polygon is so pathetic, gaming journalism on the whole is pathetic.

That's why user reviews or reviews from smaller names are always more reliable to base a purchase on.

[Kran]

"He even used the example that grandma would..."

Am I the only one wondering why it says Grandma on N4G and Mom on the site?

:/ Was grandma too offensive? lol

[assdan]

I've let polygon by too many times, I was always pretty sure, but this 100% confirms it.

[girlwithturn]

This jokes needs to be banned into all gaming sites. Disgusting.

[LeCreuset]

I think it's pretty pathetic that they were trying to give the Xbox a one up over the 4 because of the ability to use a remote to begin with. It's just so mind boggling. So all of a sudden resolution doesn't matter, but the ability to use a remote control does? Are people so lazy that the ability to use a remote (instead of a controller) is now worth even mentioning as an advantage? If Kinect voice control is so great an experience, why would anyone care about using a remote? The contradictions are amazing. So people are so lazy that being able to use a remote, instead of just picking up the controller, is an advantage worth mentioning over the competition, but these same lazy people are supposed to be drawn to a system in which the most touted feature is the freaking motion control camera? Too lazy to pick up a controller, but perfectly willing to move around to control the system? That makes no sense at all. Shills gonna shill.

[Caffo01]

POLYGON FUCK OFF!!!!

[ELpork]

Yeeaaa, because this site is so ohh very unbias.

[purp13m0nk3y]

Lies or they are just ignorant and simply didn't know any better.

Calling people liers is a big call. I wouldn't have worded it quite like that.

They obviously need to do some research so they don't look like uninformed ass hats though!

[S2Killinit]

it wouldn't be the first time Microsoft lies. or bashes other companies for that matter .remember the anti apple commercial when iPhone 5 launched? the one that backfired on Microsoft? yeah, this is not surprising, its standard Microsoft protocol.

[BOLO]

Stay classy Polygon...Stay classy.

[Lysander91]

I normally don't get the hate for sites like IGN or people l Geoff Keighley, but I totally get the hate for Polygon. I think that there is a bias there that greatly affects their output. I don't believe that it's intentional though. I think that it is a case of a bunch of hard headed and like minded people being together, so they don't take criticism well and constantly reaffirm their own biases.

[SpinalRemains138]

Lol!

haha this is awesome

[SpinalRemains138]

Videogame consoles have to have priorities.

Power and resolution are nothing compared the ability to use a remote control.

lol! I can't believe this is even real

[SoulSercher620]

Polygon never had any credibility to begin with. This is further proof of that.

[360ICE]

Lies? I'm guessing they just didn't know. Which is bad too, but still. Also, forgive him if he doesn't think HDMI-CEC is the same as remote support. Ease off a little, jeez. It's a gaming console.

The PS4, at least... (See? I take jabs at both sides).

[SliceOfTruth888]

YOU REALLY SHOWED THEM!!!!!!!!!!!PWNSSSDSSDZ

[PickAShoe]

Well, they gave Dragon's Crown a 6.5. Polygon has a nice looking website, but the content is utterly crap.

[Hozi]

If I had a gaming Site. and MS wanted to buy me out to give them all good reviews, I'd take their money and then expose what their intentions were to the world anyways....(sinister laugh) MWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.....

[MRMagoo123]

It wouldnt work like that , you would have to sign a contract saying you could not go back on your word, then if you did they would take you to court.

[Hozi]

Way to kill my dreams dude.

[GraveLord]

Douchebag.

[WMANUW]

polygon is really really ridiculous, is paid by Microsoft and is not objective ...Tlou 7 vote, I said it all ...

p.s. what sense does it play ps4 on xbox one? however you have to buy the console sony ,only lag ... if you buy sony console then automatically throw xone

[llamaman13]

N4g is the cancer of the gaming industry, if you don't want lies stay away from polygon, believe what ever you want, stick to what you want.

[ELpork]

Side note, who the hell cares? Who even uses remote-controls anymore?

[PickAShoe]

it's not really the remote-control. it's about gaming journalist credibility now. polygon is one of the most talk about review site.

[ELpork]

They've broken some solid news stories, and they do pretty OK reviews, as well as some solid talent.

The fact that they used a remote control that didn't work with the system doesn't mean squat. They missed it, something humans happen to do, ohh nooes. I fail to see how that slip means they've been bought off by a MAJOR corp.

[Relientk77]

Polygon is awful

[LordDhampire]

He speaks like obama

[kingPoS]

Funny that! The slim PS3 was the first game console to use HDMI-CEC. I use plenty of times myself. I turn the PS3 on and the TV turns on, goes mute and jumps to the right input; the amp turn on and goes to digital optical input for 5.1 sound.

Or

I turn the TV on, select PS3 on the input list (yes mine shows it as PS3) and same thing happens, only in a different order. What HDMI-CEC does is give you the basic functions of a universal remote. (works great on Netflix) My sets is a Samsung in case anyone thinks it only works on Sony TV's.

One remote to rule them all. lol Gotta luv CES!

Gateway MT6706 2008

[GusBricker]

So was Gamespot lying, too?

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

Ok, after some digging, since I use a universal remote for our main TV, my remote wouldn't work either. Well, that sucks...but, since I'll have a Dual Shock 4, no biggie.

[Evolve]

It's all started with The Last of Us. Enough said.

[Neezaam]

Please ban Polygon! I'm all for the gaming community (consumers) to choose the platforms and games they prefer, But this gaming "journalism" website is ridiculous. They are a disservice to the gaming community and should be called out for there blatant bias journalism. Do not give them clicks!

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Shenanigans!!!

(runs home and grabs his broom)

[Dakriz]

Gotta love the SDF here lol so based on you so bright ppl poly should be banned well lets ban them also ban DF for there extraordinary biased toward PS4 you see an eye for an eye you ban one biased for each team.

Now let the fanboys scream..

[ziggurcat]

i think there's plenty of room under the misterx delusion bridge for you to huddle under...

[Dakriz]

You think so why don't you hide under it with your SdF buddy's maybe that way u'll play with your system instead of trolling here for a living.

[Belking]

Polygon gave ps4 a 7.5 and the xbo-one a 8. Wow, that is so biased....lol 1/2 a point and they they are totally biased. If ps games and hardware don't score 9s and 10s the reviewers have to be biased.

[ziggurcat]

it's biased when you're giving the competition of the company that gave you 3/4 of a million dollars consistently lower review scores.

[Dakriz]

Its only biased when that 1/2 a point is for anyone but Sony don't you see you are in S4G only Pro Sony aloud in here. Cheers. Pathetic.

[Mosiac77]

We'll there is a problem with this article and is that although he is criticizing polygon for its lies he starts the article by telling you about the kinetic bad commands. What does the xbox 1 has to do with polygons lies. It seems like is fanboy wanting to use his articles to bash on the xbox. Give it a rest. If you don't like something then you don't need to have it.

[YodaCracker]

Sounds more like ignorance on the subject than a lie... Perhaps they should thoroughly research everything they are going to say beforehand, because fanboys are foaming at the mouth and ready to jump on any tiny mistake they make, even something as insignificant as remote control support.

People need to stop claiming every game site is "biased" when they report something they don't want to hear or give a game a certain score. Many sites have given the Xbox One a higher score than the PS4. Why? Because... *drum roll please* ...THEY LIKED THE XBOX ONE BETTER! There is not some giant conspiracy against the PS4. Everyone is not being paid off by Microsoft.

Fanboys on both sides of this "war" share a lot of filthy, underhanded tactics, but one thing I never see Xbox fanboys do is claim Sony are paying off reviewers. Meanwhile, almost any positive Xbox One news is barraged with these claims of conspiracy at Microsoft's hand.

Polygon is not biased because they like the Xbox One. Polygon is not biased because they gave some PS3 exclusives low scores. Polygon is not biased because they scored the Xbox One higher than the PS4. Polygon is not biased because they mistakenly said that the PS4 did not have remote control support... Seriously...

[1nsomniac]

HAHA I think Chris Grant may need some Aloe Vera..... He just got burned!!!

[andrarfc]

N4G is to ps4 what Polygon is to Xbox One, totally biased.

[Spore_777]

Poly...GONE! -_-

[MajorGecko]

someone should pull out the racist card if they dont get banned from N4G and hiphopgamer has been banned for same reasons

[Phaethon0017]

I did not know this either, so at the very least it's uncommon knowledge. I was able to get my PS4 to see my PS3 bluetooth remote but it was unable to control anything so I assumed there was no remote control option. I don't believe my Samsung LCD is compatible with this option though, it's pretty old (2006 model). I will investigate though, tired of draining my DS4 just to watch movies.

[dunkyson]

polygon seem to be in the pockets of ms perhaps ms has been splashing the cash on more than exclisives!

[Ps4Console]

I'd much rather discussing games not fanboy rubbish .

[abradley]

Nice job mate. It just shows his arrogance if he won't even talk about the matter. Keep up the jolly good work and let us writers keep each other on the straight and narrow.

[Mister_G]

Pants on fire! :)

[feraldrgn]

No surprise there, Polygon were funded near a million by MS.

[deruy343]

See http://n4g.com/news/1398639...

Subsequently removed by N4G...afraid to ban them or something?

[NewAgeisHere]

I mean Polygon has no shame...........it's time something be done about them....

[solderman]

To be honest Chris Grant and Justin Mcelroy since leaving Joystiq don't seem to actually contribute anything,I'm not actually sure what they get paid for?

and Justin hiring his brothers to work there too with their limited gaming background knowledge, "It's not what you know it's who you know".

But I've never seen a site reputation go from hero to zero so quickly and I don't think it is recoverable.

The small amount of times I've heard either of them comment on something they seem completely out of touch and out of the loop more so Chris Grant.

I also can't stand the other pretentious reporters that work on that site either.

Anyone who has listened to their podcast will just want to smash Chris Plantes' teeth in, He has a whistle each time he says a word and it just blows your ear drums out.

[bennj]

The real question here is : Can i use a classic IRDA TV Remote Control with the PS4 or Xbox One on my 55" Panasonic Plasma TV ? I'm sorry i don't use the HDMI-CEC thing...

[Rhythmattic]

"I'm sorry i don't use the HDMI-CEC thing"

Is that a question ?

If it is, if your tech is up to date......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Simple Innovation that works.

[Drenchk101]

I've never liked Polygon from the moment I knew of their existence. They're the most biased site in gaming history.

[SynestheticRoar]

HA. You fruity boys got caught. Shame face lol.

[ParanoidFreak]

F**k Polygon

[josh14399]

The guy sending the tweets sounds like a mad fanboy to me. Why call him a liar? he might have been unaware of this feature like I was till now. I'm getting the ps4 and not the xbox one but that doesn't mean I'll rage if I see a journalist that is unaware of a console feature that isn't widely known. The guy could have been corrected with out calling him a liar.

[SpinalRemains138]

Sure he didn't know.

As someone doing a review, maybe he should have....um....I dunno...LOOKED IT UP??

That's the thing about assumptions.

To be clear, he knew. There is a reason that PollyGonz rates everything PS with scores well below the average.

Pollygonz actually hurts PS Metacritic score.

[DJ]

I forgot who, but someone on here is investigating how Polygon got onto Metacritic within just a few months, when typically it takes anywhere from 6 months to a few years to get accepted there.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[FanOfRootBeer]

Were it not for the instantaneous Twitter ban, I'd call it "being wrong" over "lying." However, that is suspect, as are some of their reviews. Regardless, I quite like Polygon's review staff.

[avid8bit]

It seems the N4G community really just wants a reason to rip on Polygon.

You know what's really suspect? Every single gaming publication sustains itself with advertisements for the video games they review.

[LinuxLeaf]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Watch this video.
Talk about OWNAGE.

PS4> Xbox One bishes

[Rhythmattic]

Bubs..
Haters Gonna hate the truth.

[Sci0n]

That video was so refreshing lol

[lawgone]

Soooo, why are you on N4G trashing the Xbox One instead of playing your PS4???

[stloony]

(a little off topic)

Yeah and the republicans never put forth a healthcare bill that would work...

We should all be used to lies by now from people who want to discredit other choices by making it appear there is no other choice.

It's a very devious tactic. Unfortunately many people believe what they hear and don't do the research.

(BTW, those that were duped by the lie i used as an example...HR2300)

[RE_L_MAYER]

To people who is getting xbox tonight good luck I hope it works perfect and no problems arise

[avid8bit]

Run! Run from this site before you're stoned to death!

[lawgone]

Why? N4G isn't biased. LOL

[James Vanderbeek]

the xbox 1 reminds me of that girl you are just unsure about so you have to talk yourself into liking her. 720p upscaled. games look the same as 360. but wait you can use a universal remote and talk to the system with voice commands.

[DJ]

The midnight launch in my area was a bust for Xbox One. It's really awkward seeing a big fence in front of the store at 8:30 pm and only a handful of people there.

GTA V - big line
iPad Air - bigger line
PS4 - big line

Xbox One - 6 people? o_o

[James Vanderbeek]

i wouldn't waste 599 for a console that cant handle 1080p. plus they push kinect on you. just money hungry

[linkenski]

Ever since the launch of Polygon I found it suspicious that their website's focus was mostly about its flashy design. Seems so sugarcoaty, especially now.

[Wescyde]

I have a pretty brand new Panasonic Plasma, I tried this yesterday with the controller and it did not work. So not sure what to believe

[RevXM]

You have to turn it on in settings!
I have an "older" Panasonic plasma and I can use its remote to control my ps3. its not even branded with smart tv and it was before they made all these mid end models with 3D.
Think it is a 2010 model but Im not sure.

The HDMI CEC is a nice feature, the tv and ps3 interacts and turn eachother on or off with the dualshock or tv remote, and I can do basic navigation with the tv remote in the XMB or in netflix.

[Wescyde]

Yah I Figured it out with the other article in fact it works on my 2012 plasma and 2007 LCD as samsung uses any net. I set them up to do the following:

1. THe second I turn on the PS4 7 seconds later my tv will turn on and change to the HDMI input the PS4 is connected too. All just from turning on the PS4.

2. If i am watching tv and the PS4 is in standby mode all i have to do is turn it back on and it changes to the HDMI Input.

[DJ]

Isn't Polygon funded by Microsoft? I'm not surprised. Gorgeous looking website, but the content is obviously skewed on purpose.

This video shows how well PS4 voice commands work, and how you can use your TV's remote to control its menu.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[LordsOfSkulls]

All i heard during that whole interview was....

"stuff Stuff Stufff... Stuff stuff.. Stuff Stufff...those alot of things Stuff Stuff Stuff"

>.> So what exactly is the "Stuff" that they talking about to make the person like Xbox One Over PS4.... they never go into detail they just say "It those all this great stuff over PS4"

but yet i didnt go into the detail very well..

>.> Now to point out 1 thing though... what the reason you buy video game consoles? >.> to play video games.

True gamers dont need all this Extra "Stuff" that has nothing to do with gaming. having ability to play netflix/hulu/dvd/bluray those kinds of tasks i would say that should be it and limited to. While most of us will have PC to do it.. the ability to those services is kinda nice.

IN THE END:

From what i been seeing people are just trying to defend Xbox One... because honestly their no real good grounds to defend it.

More Expansive, Less Power, Less nicely looking graphically and performance issues, will most likely be replaced by Xbox One and Half in next 3-5 years.

It a big box of features that... 90% of them you wont use or care about. Cause all you really use it for is bluray player, netflix/hulu etc, and video games.

Save yourself a headache and get a PS4. This is not a fanboy talking this is a "Smart Shopper"

[lawgone]

First of all, YOU don't get to decide what a "true gamer" is. That is the lamest term ever anyway. Second, where in the world do you get off saying we won't use 90% of the features on the Xbox One? Maybe you won't, but guess what? You're just one person! Many of us will use those features and are excited about them! And finally, you cannot claim you're not a fanboy when you tell people to "save yourself a headache and get a PS4." Guess what guy, I'm getting both systems and when I'm online on the PS4 I will do my best to avoid fanboys like you.

[avid8bit]

While I understand that Polygon isn't the most reputable site out there - many of you seem to believe it may in fact be the least - N4G's collective reaction to what is no doubt a blunder has got to be the most overblown thing I've seen recently.

You guys really want to burn Polygon at the stake, don't you?

[lawgone]

That's the thing...they are so blinded by their love of all things Sony they can't even see their bias or how silly they look to the rest of us.

[lawgone]

The irony and hypocrisy here is mind-blowing. Here you have commenters from what is well-known to be the most biased gaming site around, complaining about another gaming site being biased! I mean, we are just hours from the Xbox One's launch and what's the top story on N4G? This. An anti-Microsoft story. (If you don't think this is a anti-Microsoft story then just read the comments.)

Oh well, I guess if I'd like some coverage on the XB1 launch I'll just read the 2nd place story about...oh no, wait...that's about the PS4's CPU. /smh

[TongkatAli]

I have never seen a first comment get sooo many agree's. Ban them from this site moderators.

[ATiElite]

wow is this what The Video Game Industry has come to, LIES, more LIES, and untruths.

Fanboys need to be Banished from planet Earth.

[Max-Zorin]

Polygon most likely gave half of this community gray hair from high levels of stress.

[THEpirateshunter]

Lol they care about the remote control service on the xbox one cus the xbox one is a reciver,, i mean really c'mon have you ever saw a reciver without a remote control ?