PS4 Day One Update New Details: Game Discs Don't Have it, Dev Kits Identical to Retail Units & More

Some brand new details for the PlayStation 4.

[GarrusVakarian]

"“The Xbox One does not ship with an OS. The end.”

What?....0.o

If you don't have the internet.....you have a useless $500 box?.

[Kayant]

To save everyone's time the above is the only real new relevant info.

Well if true Albert Penello sure wasn't joking....

I think MS should offer other ways of getting the patch like what Sony is doing via requested disc or online by saving it to USB.

[GarrusVakarian]

Haven't MS addressed how people without internet are going to be able to get the patch, or is it a big middle finger to people without the internet?

[BoriboyShoGUN]

they dont give a damn once they have your money!

[mhunterjr]

Well, that comment doesn't make any sense at all... first of all, the day1 Xbox update is only 500MB and takes 2min to download... There's no way you are downloading the entire OS in that timeframe at that small a size.

Alas, it's true, you won't be able to access the user facing parts of the OS w/o first connecting to the Internet. For that, I agree with you, MS should have at least allowed the update to be installed via a disc.

[Manic2014]

I think part of the patch is to remove the DRM they had on the OS. Also i dont think people without internet will even buy a $500 Console, as for those at a military base, MS have to sort some shit out......

[Ezz2013]

@mhunterjr
was it confirmed that it's 500mb ?!

[Flutterby]

@mhunterjr

You can download 500mb in 2 minutes ?? So it takes you 4 minutes to download a 1gb movie ? Even on utorrent it takes me about 10 mins and that's with loads if good seeders

[Kayant]

@mhunterjr

"first of all, the day1 Xbox update is only 500MB and takes 2min to download"

You have to remember that won't apply to everyone.

"There's no way you are downloading the entire OS in that timeframe at that small a size"

Yh i agree doesn't sound plausible but this video of the set-up seems to back up what he says. http://www.youtube.com/watc...

It doesn't look like you can access anything without connecting first for the update.

Edit - It's kinda confusing because this was the last video uploaded so either he already got the update before doing it video showing he was banned or he removed the patch to record the video.

Also this - "After hooking up the Xbox One and powering it on, Weingarten was prompted to connect to his home Internet, and then set up his Kinect 2.0. There didn't appear to be any way to back out of that. After connecting to the Internet the console began pulling down a 500-megabyte day-one update, which will be necessary to play games"

http://kotaku.com/the-guy-w...

Looks like update is required to do anything. That's quite bad IMO.

[LordDhampire]

A 500 mb patch will take me all day or probably 4 hours during the night

[Ratty]

500mb does sound a bit small for an OS even for a console OS. It probably has half of it pre-installed, the rest is the day one patch probably.

Edit: Also it is kind of annoying how people will go on about how fast they can download 500mb or 50gb or whatever. I have an amazing connection that will download 500mb in a few minutes, yes but you don't see me being an internet speed elitist about it. Not everyone has access to fast internet, people.

[gaffyh]

Just download it from the website now and stick it on a USB stick. Then you can avoid all the update slowness.

[static5245]

@Mhunterjr

The person that confirmed to download the 500MB in 2min also his download speed from the internet was around 60 Mbps. While most people have between 6-20 Mbps. So it will take alot longer to download

[UltimateMaster]

The only reason why the Xbox One requires that day-1 update is that they need you to agree to the terms and condition of the console and that's why there's no other alternative like putting the firmware on a USB stick like the PS4.

It's very obvious that the only reason they did that was because they want you to agree that they can re-implement the DRM policies at any time they choose.

Not trying to be a fanboy, just stating the facts.

What's also in those T&C are the privacy of your personal information and how they can use your private information/collect data.

Just read the T&C, for once in your life.

[gamingisnotacrime]

Ms wants to force gamers into internet market. The big money is made on xbox live. They dont care about non internet gamers

[theXtReMe1]

I dont want to believe tis is true. If it is, how irresponsible of Microsoft. They, of all people, know just how many things can go wrong during firmware and software installation. All it takes is a power outage or power surge during installation and you have a bricked unit. Someone could bump the plug out by accident or be playing with the unit itself and hit the power button. Any one of a million things could happen that could interrupt installation and leave day 1 adopters without a shiny new xbox one to play.

While any one of the things above may be rare, guaranteed... Its going to happen. Leaving quite a few unsatisfied customers to find solace in a PS4.

God bless Microsoft, as they've been one big disaster after another with this campaign.

[Manic2014]

I Doubt that would happen, As from what was leaked by the guy who got the console early, the OS is pre installed and he was sure moving through the dashboard without downloading the 500mb Patch. If there is a power outage, surge or connection problem the console won't become bricked. You probably have to re-download the patch.....

[LordDhampire]

This is 2013, power outages and surges aren't that big of a deal. I doubt it would brick your console, you just have to reinstall

[Deadpoolio]

@ MMEHTA: You Know that he downloaded the patch right? He was online with it hence why he got banned. Are you sure your not mentally retarded cause Microsoft has confirmed for months now that the console is useless without the patch

[pyramidshead]

That's not going to sit well with the uninformed...

Microsoft's customer service division is going to be put on blast come launch day if this is true. Bricking consoles on arrival lol, that's worse than that PS3 update that happened.

Wouldn't be surprised if a certain number of XB1 Entertainment Systems get taken back to stores so that the parents of all the young'ens can pick up an actual next gen gaming console.

[cell989]

I can see that happening too, "this piece of crap does not work, I want a refund" "it's asking me to connect to the internet" "it's asking me to pay for a subscription" not everyone is as informed as the average xbone fan

[TheHybrid]

Buying an xbox for a home without Internet is like buying a car in a country without gasoline.

This is a none issue. It's not MS job to make sure people without interest don't go out and buy their Internet based product. I for one am PISSED that Sony requires you to have electricity and a TV to be able to play. It's really just a big middle finger to the Amish.

[GarrusVakarian]

"Buying an xbox for a home without Internet is like buying a car in a country without gasoline."

Im sorry, but that is a very ignorant way of thinking. "A non issue", lol maybe not for you, but for many people that don't have the internet for whatever reasons, this is a MASSIVE issue. Are they letting us know it needs an internet connection to FUNCTION on the box? Are they letting the average consumer know in any way? Are they clarifying to people how to get the patch if you don't have internet? NO.

I hate the "its not an issue for me, so i have no sympathy for others" attitude that people like you have.

"It's not MS job to make sure people without interest don't go out and buy their Internet based product."

Yeah but they would gladly take that persons money, right? It's not their job to do that, no. But the fact that they haven't shows that all they are interested in is taking your money. Sony are a business all the same, but at least they tell you other ways to get the patch.....and this is for a console that still works without the update. Some common courtesy would be nice....a little warning, you know?

You can stick up for MS all you want with your stupid comparisons like...."I for one am PISSED that Sony requires you to have electricity and a TV to be able to play". But this is unfair to people who don't have the internet.

[BlakHavoc]

smh...

[despair]

Wow, talk about out of touch of reality and living in a privileged bubble, I know many people without internet but are avid gamers. Are they to get shafted?

I for one would have no problem with the 500 mb update (even though it would take me nearly an hour to dl) but at least offer a usb update method like the PS4, I lost count the number of times I updated my friends ps3s via USB because they didn't have an internet connection.

[GirlOnFire]

@TheHybrid
What? Worst comparison ever...
A lot of disappointed kids this year for Christmas.

[SoulSercher620]

That was a dumb comparison.

[solidjun5]

Really?

[TheXD305]

Xbox One has 3 different OS

[SirBradders]

Yea i never got that.

[sigfredod]

short answer: yep
a $500 paperweight

[BABY-JEDI]

It's a bit big for a paperweight IMO.

[HardcoreGamer]

you can play ps3 games from outside the box, its not a crazy issue like the xbox one, you cant do anything on it. thats what really annoys me.

[Kushan]

@Flutterby

It takes me just over 30s to download 500Mb. But my connection is a slightly overprovisioned 120Meg connection, so I may well be an exception.

500Mb in 2 mins would require somewhere around a 35Mbit connection, which is quite high but not incredibly uncommon. Saying how long something will take to download is rather pointless, though, as you can't be sure what speeds someone else has.

[Ulf]

"“The Xbox One does not ship with an OS. The end.”

Um. LoL. I call BS.

We've seen people using it.

This lie alone invalidates everything else the guy said, as far as I see it.

[KYU2130]

we have all seen people use it. the fact is they had to set up the console before they used it. which means they had to do the update first . As for everyone saying 500mb can't be the OS. why not? its a console not a PC. Think back to when and OS for a pc was on a CD or even split on 2 CDs. its very possible that what you are getting when you buy an XB1 is a box with the basic OS and then you have to install the remainder before being able to access the rest of the unit.

[Ulf]

KYU2130, do you mind if I call you out on your comment in a week?

LoL.

[ALLWRONG]

PS4 fan: "internet is required for Xbone to work:
Xbox fan: "so does the PS4"
PS4 fan: "lalalala I ain't listening to you lalalalala"

[GarrusVakarian]

Your username has never been more true.

[ShwankyShpanky]

But... um... the PS4 still plays games without ever hooking to the net.

[SoulSercher620]

Sony confirmed you don't need the day one patch to play PS4 games. How about looking that up?

[Saviour]

rly people without internet in 2013? why thy evr buy consoles thn? Consoles games are useless without internet sicne most are unstable without internet

[GarrusVakarian]

"Consoles games are useless without internet sicne most are unstable without internet"

...What?....i don't even.......

[cell989]

What The Actual Fuq??? Have you ever played Fallout, Mass Effect, Uncharted, or pretty much anything that's not an MMO? Exactly what kind of games do you play? COD? Cause even that has something called a campaign and offline multiplayer inconsiderate jerk, Not everyone enjoys an internet connection like you do pompus p**k

[SirBradders]

you do know there are countries which are still 3rd world. your type of attitude is why the world is so fucked in which 1% of the population hold more riches then the rest of the world combined. You should have your internet stripped and games confiscated.

[gamingguy]

@ cell989 that is true they have an offline mode but most of those games you name had issue with the game at launch and had to have a patch via the internet. Now game need the internet for content updates even if it is single player

[PsychoSupaman]

??

[Objective]

“The same won’t be the case with the Xbox One. MS are a software company and they’ll be working hard to ensure this is a smooth process. I am actually more concerned that PSN will fall apart when I am downloading the 300 MB update."

Indeed.

[BadlyPackedKeebab]

While I have faith I already have the update on a pen drive ready to go if there are issues on the 29th.

[Livecustoms]

Were can i find this ?

[BadlyPackedKeebab]

Cant find where I originally got it on the playstation website.

Ive made my backup available here. Obviously use at your own risk. The update is the update and the restore is the restore file (shouldnt be needed).

https://drive.google.com/fo...

[AlexanderNevermind]

@ Livecustoms

It got leaked on the ps website a few weeks back. I believe they've since taken the link down. I have it on my pc as well. My only concern is that it has changed since then.

@ BadleyPackedKeebab,

great job providing the link for thers!!

[BadlyPackedKeebab]

indeed as @AlexanderNevermind says there is a risk it will change. Use this as a last resort obviously.

[awesomeperson]

Luckily you can still play games without the Day One patch, so if it's spotty (as it could very well be), then just hop onto Singeplayer.

That being said, it's a staggered console launch. There won't be more than a million (and even that's probably overestimating) trying to connect at the same time on launch day.

On top of that, there's other avenues to download the update, you can do it now from numerous mirrors.

I think that Sony will be just fine come launch.

[GirlOnFire]

@Objective
Sony doesn't worry that you do.
Microsoft does worry that you use their game console so much they ban you.

[RE_L_MAYER]

Online is preety mutch a mandatory thing now-I kinda agreed with needing internet just like having electricity in your home-you dont pay for it you dont get it as for people who dont have internetz try to get it and if you cant then im sorry

[pabadamus1]

I hope the PS4 update goes smoothly. The only good thing is it is not necessary to play games out of the box. If the servers are taxed, play a game while it downloads in the background.

[despair]

they will have it up to download from the playstation website as well, so we can most likely get it a couple days before and update via USB without worrying about server overload (which also shouldn't be a problem).

@NoMercyOnlyRage

I thought it was only up for a short time before they pulled it? I think they wanted to either tweak some stuff first or wait a little closer before releasing it.

[SuperBlur]

You can already download it . Im on mobile right now but look it up its real. :)

[pabadamus1]

COOL! Thank you both @ despair & nomercy. Didn't know that was an option. I will definitely download before hand.

[Sadist3]

I wouldn't be surprised if the PSN falls apart on the 15. I guess I'll find out this Friday. Sony hasn't really been discussing if they made upgrades to their network. I would hope so, but they have been really quiet on that matter. Every time they mention PSN, all they talk about is free games. They need to discuss the improvements to the online infrastructure, cause if it sux I know what system I'll be playing most of my online games on.

[Livecustoms]

I couldnt agree more, from someone coming over from xbox live im quite worried about PSN becuase all i hear is how inferior it is to Live.

[SuperBlur]

Inferior ? Pre-hack fiasco perhaps. Nowadays it is quite functional..
They already have the infrastructure ready to handle the heavy traffic of the ps3 user base. Worry not i say as i am sure they are ready to welcome the many ps4 they've shipped.

[despair]

its fine, the store still sucks ass but hopefully that is fixed for the PS4 (it has been steadily improved since the revamp), online is good and download speeds are pretty good (though the maximum connection I've been able to test was a 15 mbps connection). Online gaming is also not a worry.

[sigfredod]

Not me, already have the patch downloaded and ready on my USB pen :)

[GirlOnFire]

@Sadist
I've played Xbox Live for 10 years... PSN I've played for 2 years online. There is little difference expect Xbox Live Party, which is on PS4/Vita. Oh and PlayStation 3 had dedicated servers for their major titles online free. Sony needs a little love back that is why we now have to pay for most online games to play(still 10$ cheaper than XBL and free stuff). Have a nice time on PS4 i know i will. ^~^

[Sadist3]

As for buying an xbox of you don't have internet, hey you gotta use your head. You don't buy a cellphone if you live in an area that has no reception. You don't buy a car if you have no license. You don't buy an ipad if you don't have internet. That's life, if you don't have internet then just get a PS4, or go get internet. It's that simple.

[Idba]

What if you dont have reliable internet? Or what if MS's servers go down? And what if your internet goes out?

[Themba76]

man if I had a nickel every time my internet went out
i would be living in a much bigger house.

[Lunarassassin]

@themba
And you probably would have got a better internet provider.

[Kayant]

"You don't buy a cellphone if you live in an area that has no reception" - But you can still do other things with it like play games, take notes, etc.

"You don't buy a car if you have no license" Well it's not like the car won't work if you try and drive it.

"You don't buy an ipad if you don't have internet" Same with the smartphone you can at least do other things with it.

If you don't have this update you can't do *anything* with it. Meaning you just spent £429/$500 on a paperweight. It should at the very least let you play games IMO as it's primary function.

"That's life, if you don't have internet then just get a PS4, or go get internet" - What if they prefer Xbox exclusives?

[Themba76]

you wrong on the car part i know plenty of ppl with cars without licenses.

[devwan]

@sadist oh, you mean #DealWithIt? OK...

smh

[despair]

The problem is that most people don't read gaming sites and news like we do to be informed that you need to update the system for it to work.

Usually when I buy a piece of hardware it should work outside the box and since MS is not advertising in the mainstream that it need to be updated to work then many people will be left in the dark for launch.

Think about the parents who will buy the system for their kids, you think they consider whether it need an update to work if noone tells them?

Plus saying "if you don't have internet you shouldn't buy the system" is a narrow minded view of the world. Do you have any idea of how many millions still run dial up internet or have no internet at all? Its not that they can't afford better internet its just there is nothing else. Hell up to 5 or 6 years ago I had 20 hour limited dial up until broadband finally became affordable in my country (it was insanely and impractically expensive) and yet I had a PS3 and X360 before that.

Should people in my situation back then be excluded from the systems today?

[SoulSercher620]

I should NEVER require internet to game on a console... ever. If I choose to go away somewhere I shouldn't have to worry about internet no matter where I go especially if I choose to play by myself. This is why it got a bad reception with the military because they are not guaranteed internet service therefore alienating them. It's not fair to them that MS requires a day one update just to get it working.

[Persistantthug]

Or maybe, Just go get a 360.

That's what Microsoft told us to do.

[Maxor]

That 300mb PS4 update is freaking huge when the only thing I want to do after taking it out of the box is the play my games.

[Livecustoms]

You can play games without doing the update on ps4, you just wont be able to do livestreaming etc

[MasterCornholio]

How about this?

You can play your games while downloading the update. Isn't that nice of Sony?

Nexus 7 2013

[Livecustoms]

From someone who coming over from the 360 to the ps4 i too am concerned about the PSN, all i hear is nothing but how inferior it is to xbox live.. (Fingers crossed!)

[Yui_Suzumiya]

No worries dude, I've used both and I prefer PSN. The one advantage that Live had was being able to download anything and still be able to play games and do whatever. Certain updates and stuff on PSN forces you to sit there until it's done. Plus the UI was a little faster on the 360/Live features.

[Livecustoms]

Oh thats good to hear, so are the servers fine ?

[xPhearR3dx]

A little? The XMB is TERRIBLE. It's slow, laggy and overall just a POS. Try sending a message in game while on PS3, it's still a nightmare.

Either way, PSN itself is just fine. The problem with the PS3 was the very limited RAM. Making simple things like multitasking not achievable. Well that, and install times were insane at points.

I'm not worried at all with the PS4. PSN has proven to be a pretty reliable network for being free, and now that it needs to be paid for, for online gaming, it will only get better.

Plus, that 8GB of GDDR5 is a MASSIVE improvement over the 256MB the PS3 had. Installing, patching, downloading etc will all be smooth as butter if you have a good internet connection.

Bring on the 15th! 5 more days :)

[Bolts-N-Rays1109]

I'm sure it will be better, but don't get your hopes up.

[hollabox]

PSN is slow, well at least on the PS3. It's kinda like Android lag on older smart phones. Functional yes, will you notice lag compared to XLive? Definitely! But until the PS4 launches next week it's free so for what it's worth PSN is a good platform. Should be interesting, first time I'm getting a Sony system first at the start of next gen.

[xPhearR3dx]

Not free anymore. Which I think is a good thing. All that extra cash can go towards improving PSN over the years at a faster rate like XBL did.

[Seafort]

I wouldn't worry about PSN. It's been solid since Sony improved it. On the PS3 the store was only slow because of the lack of RAM available. It shouldn't be a problem with 8GB available on PS4.

I would hope that Live is better considering you did pay for that service and still do.
PSN is free and still will be but you need to pay for PSN+ to play online games.

[hollabox]

Oh no, not just the PSN store, online gaming had some lag, stutter as well, something I never got on my PC or Xbox Live. But again this was the PS3, my internet connection 25 Mbps, every device that can speed test would hit 23-25.6 mbps except the PS3. Testing at the same location my PS3 speed test would only report 7-15 mbps. Set the PS3 to high priority in my routers QOS settings which did improve but still somewhat laggy. Now I have to pay for it on the PS4? I expect the first month or two to be a hot mess with the network getting smoother as time goes along, which seem to be the case for ever new console launch.

[ramiuk1]

i have both.
i have 60mb broadband on fibre.
online gaming there is no difference.

what i hate is xbox live maxes out my net speed but psn is so so slow downloading,i hope they improve it,also the patch system on ps3 is bulls=it,takes forever manually downloading,then installing etc etc.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Yeah I don't have the internet right now and not even sure when I will again so of I was getting an Xbox One, this would've been quite an issue for me.

[r21]

Ouch, that wii u shot. Also, wtf at the NSFW pic at the comments of the article 0_0

[SeanScythe]

yeah I'm at work and that caught me off guard. Nice pic but damn not at work, lol.

[r21]

Oh wow, did you get 'caught'? That would've been awkward.

[SeanScythe]

Luckily no one else is here on sundays.

[colonel179]

PS4 day one update must be so that they can manufacture the console without having to have the OS ready. That way they can still work on it, but they can also reach the demand for launch.

Xbox One's update is tricky though, since you need to actually update it to be able to use the console at all. So that just indicates more than the thing is not even ready for launch. Otherwise, it would be like the PS4 where you could play offline, and use it normally, but update to play online and use online features.

[SirBradders]

That sort of proves the X1 was rushed then when you think about it because think Sony first teased MS saying their ready etc... and then started full production with basic functionality i.e. gaming offline (this is due to all the features being included in the update)

Sony have played it very smart this coming gen from a business perspective.

[TristanPR77]

Getting my PS4 update through PC and into the USB. Is easier.

[GmIsOnPt360]

"“The same won’t be the case with the Xbox One. MS are a software company and they’ll be working hard to ensure this is a smooth process. I am actually more concerned that PSN will fall apart when I am downloading the 300 MB

[despair]

80 million PS3s on the market and when a new firmware is released you can bet millions download it around the same time and yet there is never any problem. I highly doubt, at most, a couple million PS4s updating around the same time will even cause a hiccup.

[SirBradders]

Not to mention all the PS+ games being downloaded by millions every month bearing in mind they are 1-30GB.

[Lunarassassin]

The more annoying thing is that microsoft haven't publically announced that it comes with no OS.
Meaning because it has only been announced on the internet people will buy the xbox one and then not be able to use it because they don't have the internet, they didn't know they needed.

[tulholdren]

Good job Sony giving people multiple ways to update the PS4 so they can enjoy there games and the system

[FanboyKilla]

i thought this was about sony. you fanboys in a article about sony hating on MS. you just wont stop. its over for that Plain Station. imagine this both running side by side lmfao not even a comparison. except they both play games. a yugo and bmw both drive. which ONE you want. LMFAO!!

[skoorydook]

Kenny Linder talks about PS4′s Day One update (along with the Xbox One’s update).

It's about both did you even read the article.

[StrangerX]

There is some pictures running around about the PS4 having the DRM and prohibiting the sales of physical disc without their authorization and it clearly shows the PSN terms of service and agreement. that means that Sony had that same idea but because of the Xbox bashing they retracted and one of the reasons of why this day one update. they are conniving bastards! but its very messed up! I've seen the pics guys. Messed up! this frigging thing is not letting me upload the pics!

[StrangerX]

I hope they uploaded right.
Or you guys can go to this website and I know you don't like it but its only to see the pics that's all.

http://misterxmedia.livejou...

[Lunarassassin]

These pictures clearly show that the DRM is for downloaded games, you clueless ,uneducated fanboy.

[MasterCornholio]

Oh god Mr.X?

That means you still have faith in the Xbox One having a DGPU.

Wow I feel sorry for you.

Nexus 7 2013

[robert]

Is it my ps3, but when i click on read full story its unreadable?.

[StrangerX]

Just scroll down till you see the comments section if interested what they talk about, because the story you see there is short, so pretty much what they intended to show. that was just my point that Sony HAD THE SAME PLANS AND THEY KEPT QUIET! and Microsoft took all the heat.

[theAMC1981]

I think this is a huge problem for others in the world who don't have internet (like myself) Though, I'm going to have it soon (thank goodness). I know there are a lot of people without internet, but more with some kind of smart phone: I see nothing but iPhone 4s and 5 when people come in to my job, so having internet just to download the update shouldn't be so hard given that smart phones require a data plan mostly. I have been signing on to Xbox Live through my phone's USB tethering application easy, and if I have to, I will use it to download the update. If I didn't have either then I would take it to someone's house who does and download the update from there. I'm just saying what I would do, but not everyone can which is why Microsoft needs to make another way for people to download a patch for a $500 system that requires it to even be able to use it at all.

Restrictions... restrictions: these consoles are getting on my nerves. The worst "road to a new console launch in history"

[Patychess73]

Have you ever notice people complain about the tiniest shit on this website , everybody can get internet someway some how . If you can afford a 500 hundred dollar console you can afford the internet. geez you fucking pansies

[alexkoepp]

Xbox one is a bitchin console apparently, in a topic about ps4 all people want to do is talk about Xbox, it is by far the most talked about console, gonna kill again here in the USA just like the 360

[MasterCornholio]

"it is by far the most talked about console, gonna kill again here in the USA just like the 360"

But are people are talking about it positively or negatively?

Nexus 7 2013

[alexkoepp]

As the saying goes, there is no such thing as bad publicity. Positive or negative all the attention is a good thing for the Xbox One.