Dead Rising 3 runs at 720p and 30 fps on Xbox One, UI runs at native 1080p

Dead Rising 3 has been confirmed to be running at 720p and 30 fps on Xbox One, UI at native 1080p, by the Executive Producer.

[Majin-vegeta]

Wow 0_0 not good.

[GarrusVakarian]

720p @ 30fps is a huge disappointment. Do so many zombies on the screen at once really take up that much power? To be honest, the graphics don't particularly strike me as next gen either so im scratching my head as to why this only runs at 720p 30fps.

No doubt it looks fun, but that's a shocker. I thought 720p @ 30fps was going to be left behind in current gen.

@Septic

Yeah i understand it has alot going on at the same time but i would have at least expected 720 @60fps or 1080p at 30fps.

[Gazondaily]

Well it has loads of stuff happening at once with no loading.

Yeah it doesn't look next-gen at all though. I spent some time with it and visually it was very meh. The scores of zombies is quite a sight though.

[True_Samurai]

Come back when there is a Sony game with over a 1000 enemies on screen and no load time going on at the same time in 1080p 60fps

↓↓ Just saying can't talk smack unless the rival company has done it in 1080p 60fps. Plus it's obvious it was moved from the 360 to x1

[Xsilver]

@trueSamurai
http://www.reactiongifs.com... is that your logic behind this. a bunch of zombies that don't even move half the time :/.

@Xboxfun a bunch of zombies standing waiting to be mowed down that's so amazing i guess DR1/2 didn't have that :/.

[JokesOnYou]

DR3 is a open world game running a lot of shiii on screen with no streaming or load screens at launch theres no other launch game doing this and its about go anywhere kill as many zombies as possible so this game is going to be great for what it does. The obsession of 1080p is silly if you want devs to push more than just visuals it depends on the game type.

[andrewsqual]

@True_Samurai It was obvious it was a 360 game since E3 but let me guess YOU would have agreed with me back then?
After coming off a weekend of The Last of Us and seeing the first 20 seconds of this game with the zombie in the car, I almost vomited how bad it looked.

[XboxFun]

I think next gen has more to do with what's actually going on. As Septic pointed out, no loading times, open world, and sh#t ton of zombies all on screen.

@Xsilver

Zombies don't move? But they are there, they are not a part of the background and they do attack if you get close enough so therefore they are taking up the RAM/CPU (whateves.

[Ezz2013]

@JokesOnYou and @true_samurai

infamous SS is open world game with fully destructible environments
and run at 1080p native/60fps
and pretty much one of the very best looking next gen game along with killzone shadow fall

the fact that this game is exclusive to xbox one but yet can't run at nothing more than 720p native and not very stable 30fps
is not good sign for xbox one hardware

[abzdine]

@JokesOnYou:
wonder what you have said the other way around.
but you fanboys love to find a good reason to cherish your beloved brand.

to your knowledge, this gen we've seen many many open world games running native 720p. so big that they put your DR3 to shame even on "old gen consoles". what's the deal of the gen change to you then?

[torchic]

@Samurai

inFamous: Second Son might not have as many enemies at once as Dead Rising 3 has but it still has many enemies at once shooting, throwing grenades, launching RPGs + destructable environments while still graphically looking like a true next game and running at 1080@30fps (rumoured to be 60fps)

don't forget about it's beautiful animations and character models.

[ABizzel1]

@True_Samurai

Don't the the framerate, but Infamous: Second Son is 1080p, open world, tons going on, destructible environment, and as far as we know no loading considering there was none in the PS3 games.

[sincitysir1]

man the sh*t some of you spew is crazy. id rather have a 100 enemies on screen at sexy 1080p than 1 million enemies. plus the textures on this game are bad. ill wait for it to be used at 17 bucks ;]

WHRRES ADAM SESSLER?!?!?!?

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Its the lower number resolution. therefor its over for the X1.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img...

[EXVirtual]

And meanwhile in Deep Down, we have amazing graphics running at 1080p native 60fps on the PS4 and it's an online game. inFamous Second Son has true next-gen graphics and open world (fair enough not as many enemy AIs, but they're still attacking with force), 1080p native 30fps (rumored to be 60fps).

The XBO can't catch a break. What's next? Destiny? Titanfall?

[1nsomniac]

... Remember the power of "The Cloud" takes care of all the extra npc's & AI so it takes up NO resources of the XBone...... *Cough* *Cough*......

[pyramidshead]

I take my mind back to just after E3 this year where the PS4 games got absolutely eviscerated for what resolution and frame rate they had compared to the XB1 games....at THAT time.

Now it's this close to launch and it seems one after another they seemed to drop leaving Forza 5, a glossier F4 holding it's own, on it's own.

Oh how things change, eh?

[mewhy32]

wow. that's not good. I mean this game is an exclusive and still only runs at 720p 30fps. Wow. This reinforces my feeling that I made the right decision to go from 360 to PS4 and not the bone.

[aCasualGamer]

The power of the cloud. =/

[bjmartynhak]

Not so surprising, if you read all the stuff from the DDR3 and ESRAM you will get the 720p part at least.

[Magicite]

Total War says ''Meh''

[RevXM]

@ True_Samurai
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Well here is a ps3 game to fresh up your memory, stated up too a thousand enemies on screen.

720p30fps xbone game with 1000 enemies?
Not really much to brag about now eh?

[BitbyDeath]

@EZZ, is that confirmed for Second Son?

on-topic: I'm thinking the issues are to do with Snap. Snap allows for the games to be shown alongside the UI with both running at the same time. The divide is likely killing it... that and the hardware being weaker. But some games like this and COD should not have an excuse so it can't be just hardware.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

Stop using framerate and resolution as interchangeable. 720@60fps don't consume all the exactly same resources as 1080p@30fps, that's not how it works. For instance having that many zombies at once hardly would affect resolution as would the individual quality of each zombie, but the number of zombies could indeed end up on bad drops if they force 60fps and the GPU is not strong enough.

I think it's pretty clear Xbox 360 have a bottleneck with ESRAM, it's simply not big enough for full HD frames with highly demanding assets, they need to get the byte per pixel down a lot (optimization) in order to make it viable (or, do as we already achieve 1080p on current gen, either gimp the assets or make less demanding games even when you use high quality assets, like racing), but this alone don't affect frame rate. Frame rate suffering, if it ever comes to be a constant issue, will be the result of a weaker GPU, not the memory (it would be if it only had slow DDR3 RAM, but ESRAM should not bottleneck the refresh process, it's fast enough and, apparently, it can read and write at the same time).

Anyway, to be completelly fair, I don't think it's simply hardware restrictions or the number of zombies at once here making the game run in 720p@30fps... I could be wrong, but frankly I don't see how this game could choke Xbox One... In fact, what I've seen on videos and screenshots doesn't look like enough to choke a WiiU! Yes, Xbox One hardware restrictions could have had an impact if it really can't keep stead 30fps, but to me this literally looks like it was a Xbox 360 game, already aimed and engined to run 720p @ 30fps.

Chances are simply set the game to render the same assets on 1080p would not look very good, while redoing everything may not had been an option, so just render it at 720p and let the upscaller do it's thing may had been the best result with what they had at hand for resolution. And framerate, that would demand some reworking on the engine, which could mess up with other stuff (like number of zombies) and take some time. Which means I think they didn't even tried much to push it to 1080p and/or 60fps.

If you want to consider this would be a logical decision, lazy from devs or "evil" MS not allowing a needed delay, it's up to you, but remember I'm just gussing here, I don't have NOTHING to back that theory up.

[Ju]

If this was "just" a 360 it would not have had troubles keeping the framerate beyond 30fps @ 720p. But it had troubles even delivering this at first. It's the usual XBO limitation. Sure, streaming textures (TR, paging or what ever) might overcome the ESRAM size limit but it will never remove the bandwidth limitation which come with DDR3. Either TR don't work ATM or it isn't as efficient as it was planed/thought in the first place. This is where the problem comes from - this and the simply slower GPU. If devs can offset the memory issues and simply "assume" everything is in ESRAM (be it through intelligent paging or memory handling) than the XO can render (almost) the same fidelity as the PS4. But the reduced limitation points to the fact that buffers must be in ESRAM to actually achieve this. Having a static buffer which eats all the ESRAM isn't the smartest thing, either. Some mem will be needed for shaders and effects. IMO it's pretty cristal clear what the bottle neck is here, and it won't change throughout the live time of the XO.

[ShwankyShpanky]

I keep seeing this "thousands of zombies on screen" claim. Can somebody post a pic? Yeah, I've seen screens with a lot of zombies, but from everything I've seen, "thousands" is gross hyperbole.

"Zombies don't move? But they are there"

<snicker>

[UltimateMaster]

...

I honestly don't know what to say.

[batbatz]

wow what happened to the next gen??

[n4rc]

Oh boy.. Here we go again....Lol

Please explain what LAUNCH TITLE on ps4 is doing what dr3 is doing?

You have..... Killzone... Everything else is still in development and most are quite a ways off... Dr3 comes out in 2 weeks..

[badz149]

everytime I read comments from the Xbone apologists, really makes me thinking that they are actually just zombies!

if you play zombie games, you would know. fall into the SAME TRAP/TRICKS over and over and they keep spewing the same $#!t and doing the same thing over and over too trying to eat our brains so we can be as dumb as them!

[Kryptix]

The game isn't even graphically amazing and it's running at 720p... lol I truly understand the 30fps because there's a lot of zombies on the screen but it should definitely be running at least 900p if you're going to be giving the excuse of no loading screens. And the "so much shii on one screen" doesn't even apply because that's up to the CPU also to process that.

You also got the use of the magical cloud that the Xbots here seem to not bring up. The cloud doesn't help with specs and Xbox One ESRAM is a big bottleneck...let's leave it at that.

[Ritsujun]

Another Xbone180.
I've totally lost count.

[FANTA1180]

@Lukas_Japonicus

well i guess this game aint for you.

dont worry ill be enjoying the game while people nit pick the resolution. lol

[tee_bag242]

god this is such a fan boy site. Yeah that sucks alot. So we can expect 900p @ 30 fps on ps3. Both options still suck balls.

[frostypants]

Give the dev a break. There's a lot going on and the hardware isn't that great.

[deecee33]

The drama just keeps on coming. I am really curious what the sales figures for each box will look like before any price cuts for either.

[Azfargh]

@Septic

Load times has nothing to do with fps count or resolution.

This things depends from the devs competence, direction and the engine/hardware capacity.

[Xsilver]

http://img.pandawhale.com/p... Dufaq
1080p UI only http://img.pandawhale.com/p...

[Sci0n]

X1 Fanboys response http://mrwgifs.com/wp-conte...

[Pogmathoin]

Look closely at the picture I see Xheavy, Maria, Nature of logic coming at that X1 fanboy...

[xHeavYx]

I think the zombie here is the One

[aceitman]

trying to get 1080p in there somehow lol.yes d3 has 1080p in it ui.

[nypifisel]

Pretty stupid to be honest, who the hell cares about the UI resolution, I've never heard anyone boast about UI res lol

[CYCLEGAMER]

You know what?...I was just saying this to a friend.

After playing both of them, if someone were to ask me between Killer Instinct and Dead Rising, which one was 1080p and which was 720p, I would have easily picked KI as the 1080p game and DR3 as the 720p one.

This is not good, but oh well, the game still looks fun.

[JokesOnYou]

Yeah I agree, KI should be at 1080p.

[Deathdeliverer]

My problem is that these are the exclusives. You can focus on this one system and fully maximize it. No splitting of teams and resources. No need to hold back because another system is too far behind or you cant implement this new area because another system cant handle it. How are these games coming out this way? Im getting KI day one and Dead Rising but damn. This is a bit concerning. Yeah its a lot of zombies on screen but a lot of them are inactive. The system still has to render them obviously, but they aren't going through all of the animations until you come within a unseen area and become active. To be honest I'd rather have less zombies on screen if that's what it took, just to achieve 60fps. Why KI is so underwhelming resolution wise is beyond me especially when its only got a handful of characters. The KI fan in me overlooks this, but the WTF in me is saying WTF! lol.

[CYCLEGAMER]

@deathdeliverer

I can agree with you about DR3, but HOT D@AMN, KI looks good. Like I said b4, if someone was to tell me that KI was running at 720p, I would have to see prof, because to me it looks amazing.

Another thing, while I was playing these games, I never thought about or wondered the resolution, I was just having a good time and enjoying the fun that me and my friends were having.

[esemce]

KI is 60fps that's why it's 720p, looks like the Bone won't have many 1080@60 games if it cant even run A 2d fighting game at this level.

The Xbone games at e3 looked great because they were running on high end PC's.
Dead rising 3 did look next gen then but it wont on the Xbone at 720@30.

Glad I'm PC+PS4, since the release of Kinect MS has failed to interest me.

The best thing they had/have is XBLA games.

[n4rc]

Forza, ea ufc, NBA 2k etc all confirmed 1080p

Its either the Devs fault.. Or overly ambitious gameplay. The system is capable of it.. And it will only improve with time as tools mature and devs learn to optimize for it

[mistertwoturbo]

^Yeah always bringing up easy sports games and that one single racing title that it can do 1080p/60fps.

Still, the most technically impressive X1 title is Ryse at 900p, except that it's 30fps.

[irepbtown]

esemce; The E3 gameplay for DR3 was bloody awesome. Slowly as the X1's release gets ever closer, the fact that PCs were used during E3 becomes more evident.

DR3 still looks like a game that will be a heck of a a lot of fun playing. It would be interesting to see DR3 on PS4 (although that wont happen).

[Magicite]

Say what

[Blaze929]

how this "not good" lol? Is the game somehow less fun now? Or we don't play videogames for fun anymore?

[HugoDrax]

Games are only played for graphics next gen :-\. That's why I can't wait to play RYSE, because visually it looks amazing. Yet when someone mentions RYSE, it's frowned upon because it's an XB1 game lol.

Seriously, I think this is the last gen that I buy consoles. I can't take the tit for tat, fanboy disputes anymore lol. We're 2 weeks from launch and people are still slandering Microsoft and Sony. Can you imagine when E3 rolls around? When will this nonsense end lol.

[SpinalRemains138]

Games looking beautiful and matching the price point is what goes into fun.

Fruit Ninja is fun when you're on line @ the bank. Would you pay 400 bucks for it?

Same thing here. Why pay 500 bucks to play retro quality games?

Next Gen is about progress, but you spin it any way you want.

Seems like the Clowd Powa being debunked and the actual weakness of the machine is turning everyone into denial personified.

[sinjonezp]

@auric

http://www.gameinformer.com...

Still want to play ryse?

[mistertwoturbo]

Why not demand both? Some of the best titles last generation managed to do both. Uncharted, Gears of War, Borderlands 2, etc.

It's not really too much to ask for given the "next" generation of consoles is supposed to leap above the last generation.

[webeblazing]

Look at the disagrees lol this site keeps getting better and better.

and how can you decide whats worth it for other people. if they want the exclusives they should get the console that they like.

he says progress but fail to realize the gfx are better than xb360. and what is this leap above, games on the new consoles have features that was missing that everyone said didn't matter last gen now people are focusing on the res just to bash it.

you want leaps above next gen get a pc, I could of sworn people on this website said its about exclusives even tho I don't like dead rising games

[xxxsiegezzz]

Yes we do play them for fun, but we want both fun and best possible graphics and this game doesn't seem to really offer them.

[Bathyj]

30fps is not a big issue for a game like this, as long its solid. Its not like its a twitch shooter or a fighter.

1080p would have been very nice on this game because theres so much going on onscreen it would definitely help pick out details better. 720 make it very cluttered and muddy looking. Oh well, I hope the framerate is steady at least.

[Belking]

Oh it's good, and it's not delayed. Open world and no loading. don't hate.

[dale_denton]

now i can see why they didn't call it xbox 720....p

[boing1]

Yeah, would be too obvious.

[Gamer666]

Why is that not good? I would rather have a well polished game that is really fun running at 30 fps and 720p than a game that was absolutely gorgeous, ran at 60 fps, 1080p, and had lousy gameplay and was very boring.

Not every game this gen will be 1080p and 60 fps.

Developers need to choose where they spend the GPU and computing power. I would rather see it spent in gameplay, AI, and environment control rather than in a pretty screen.

[Irishguy95]

I'd rather a 30fps 720p fun game over a 1080p 60fps bad one too

What Dead rising is, is a 720p, 30fps, lousy gameplay and is very boring.

[SpinalRemains138]

Not every game this Gen?

Xbox One will be lucky to have 3 games this entire Gen which run at contemporary resolutions and frame rates. Its just too weak to do it.

When your exclusives are pushing the "lame" envelope, there's a very clear issue of the console being weak and ineffectual.

[mistertwoturbo]

I would rather have a well polished game that is really fun running at 60 fps and 1080p and was absolutely gorgeous.

*Fixed*

Be a smarter consumer.

Don't settle for a disgusting tasting burger for $1 more when you could have the gourmet burger for only $4.

[Gamer666]

@Irishguy95...

Deadrising is not a lame franchise. It may not be your type of game, but there are a lot of people that are fans of the franchise. If you think Deadrising is lame, you are not a gamer. Gamers don't call franchises like DR lame.

@SpinalRemains138...

Like last generation when the PS3 started out with substandard framerates on many games, I am sure the X1 will pick it up as the gen continues.

As for "lame" exclusives... Frankly, the PS4 has the lamest launch exclusives right now... Killzone, Knack, and Resogun... Vs. X1... DR3, Forza 5, Ryse, Lococycle, KI3, Powerstar Golf, and Crimson Dragon.

But it doesn't really matter to me because I am getting them both!

@mistertwoturbo...

I agree, that's why I have both X1 and PS4 on pre-order. I get all the best games then!

[joseph1111]

I cancelled my preorder for the Xbox one and currently only picking up a PS4. But to be fair, this is because the multi platform game response. We really don't know how the PS4 would do with this type of aggressive graphics and amount of zombies on the screen at once. So instead of sounding bias, let's chalk this one up as "good for Microsoft for pushing for exclusives and keeping gaming alive", without this push and competition, gaming would remain stagnant overall....

[DarkHeroZX]

Lol last gen was able to do this at 720p and 30fps. So far the PS4 is the only console to actually be a huge step up from last gen. Pretty sure this game could easily do 1080p at 30-60fps for this game as well. If the PS4 cans run DC Universe and Planetside 2 at 1080p and 60fps on what's comparable to high or ultra on PC then this game is no problem.

[webeblazing]

you do know different resolutions puts a different amount of strain on the gpu right. you do know some pc gamers lower resolution to get better fps or gfx effects right. its a matter of taste or choice.

also dcu and ps2 is nothing to brag about, so we get(we all knew since e3) ps4 is more powerful.

[Khajiit86]

Oh great!

Xbox One. Where the user interface looks better than any game.

[Ps4Console]

Clearly the next gen hasn't happened at Xbox One then it is true it's an entertainment centre with the Xbox 360 thrown in .

[showtimefolks]

3-4 years from now launch games will look average at best, give it some time guys. Sony no doubt has a more powerful console and i can't wait to see what some of the 1st party studios are working on

[DigitalAnalog]

Even if the X1 is capable of delivering a 1080p/30fps, let us not forget that this IS a CAPCOM game. The same CAPCOM's total market value at $150 mil +. Which means, that, even if they could, simply don't have the manpower or resources to deliver the game in the most prestine condition possible. (Take note, I'm actually giving X1 the benefit of the doubt here)

We have to understand that both budget/graphics ratio exist and just like the last-gen, would eventually see the potential once developers get more familiar with their toolset.

If anything, it all points to the fact that X1 IS releasing earlier than schedule and thus games are simply pushed faster to bump the number exclusives up as it is the only factor they have over the competition.

Sadly, this decision making process (if true) would only hurt them in the long run if the games do not "work" as advertised. There's only so much you can sway over the consumer's eyes with 1080p UI or fancy terms like "upscaling". Like the RROD, it's going to leave a bad taste in people's mouths, and unlike the RROD, you can't place a magic chip on a game to make it better. Once it goes gold, the only "improvements" they could deliver is either DLC content or cleaning up bug issues.

[PSX04]

WTF ... so why we should to move to the next gen

[IRON883]

And here is more proof that Xbox one isn't even ready for next gen for shame Microsoft

[Blachek]

The gameplay videos look good, clean, and crisp. Why is it "not good"?

[nosferatuzodd]

not good at all

[Mikelarry]

unless i am reading this wrong but whats the point of the UI (User Interface) running at 1080p if the game cannot do 1080p is that meant to be a joke as it is not funny, infact its a very sick joke.

[pwnsause_returns]

i guess thats what they meant by "Dynamic Resolution"

[DoomeDx]

So the UI font can be smaller. Since its sharper it remains readable.

OT: lol what a joke :/

[NateCole]

The ui is rendered using the cloud you see.

[andrewsqual]

As long as they can fool a certain percentage of the people playing the game and checking the output resolution before getting to ingame, mission accomplished.

[kneon]

What would be the point of not running at 1080p? Since they can they might as well do so.

[esemce]

Just less blurry so easier to read probably.

[Ju]

It's using "display planes". Basically the XO can have multiple "display planes" - like layers - which can be mixed in HW and can have different resolutions. The video logic combines those to the final image in native resolution. Basically, back buffers and overlay as separate layers rendered in different resolution. HUD/UI is usually less dynamic but contains more "static" information which makes sense to render in the highest possible resolution. E.g. this makes text clearly readable. It also does not require much bandwidth, either. That's why it can actually be higher res.

[badz149]

@Mikelarry

pfft...don't you know? the higher the resolution of the UI is, the more ads they can cram in and they remain visible! those ads money are important unlike games!

[DonMingos]

Wow... Xbone is all about UIs

[Yo Mama]

Dead Rising 3 is an Xbox 360.5 game.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

30fps is just..wow..

If ever there was a game that needed 60fps, it was this one.

[JokesOnYou]

Are you serious, this isn't a fast paced action game or racing game. What open world game runs at 60fps?

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Games don't NOT benefit from having more FPS.Especially in this case, where DR3 already dips framerate a lot.Dipping slightly below 60fps isn't nearly as bad as dipping below 30fps.

Especially with the amount of enemies on screen.

[RyuCloudStrife]

Infamous: Second Son. Native 1080p/60fps.

You'll thank me later ;)

[Shinox]

@JokesOnYou maybe if you use your head for once you will notice the difference between the two consoles , derp
If DR3 were on PS4 it could easily be more than you expect , now leave the fanboyism aside and get your facts straight

I still can't believe this derp got all these bubbles for no reason

[LGM313]

Infamous SS.

[Deathdeliverer]

Not a fast action game? Do you think you are just going to leisurely walk away from the zombie hordes? Shove them back, shoot every now and then and walk away? Dead Rising, in the past, gets intense. Fast paced is exactly what it is. Sure its not a Strider game, but fast paced intense gameplay? Dead Rising has had it. Especially once you leave the early sections that really only serve as experiment training areas. Have you ever played one Joke? that was so far off....

[razrye]

Infamous second son

[webeblazing]

I think all games benefit from having high frame rate. where did you get that from.

[iamnsuperman]

That is the big thing to take away from this. 720p okay but 30fps. Aslong as it doesn't drop it should be okay but this is a type of game that would have really benefited from 60 (especially with the amount of zombies on the screen

[ELCUCO]

PS3 UI runs at 1080p...big frickin deal.

[LoaMcLoa]

Exactly what I was thinking.. Is it really worth mentioning?

[Picture_Dancer]

Just like they mention that some Xbone games are upscaled to 1080p. Every X360 game was upscaled

[OllieBoy]

My god, MS. Delay the Xbone until next year and give it a reasonable price.

[Ezz2013]

too late now
only few days to launch

[thricetold]

@Ollie

Hell naw they better not! I'm so looking forward to the tears that will be cried out in the next couple of months.

I need the salt and I'm cheap.

[WeAreLegion]

Even if I were getting the game, I wouldn't be too concerned. It looks incredibly fun. I doubt the fact that it doesn't look as good as some other games will deter anyone from buying it.

[devwan]

You know, it's OK to have to say that about one or two titles... but where is this going to end? That kind of thinking is OK for an exception, but it's seeming more and more like being every other game that's needing a pass...

[MRMagoo123]

How fun will it be tho, what happens when you get on a bike and mow through the zombies hacking them up, the games at 30fps and i suspect it will drop when things like this happen, anything under 30 is very noticeable it will ruin the experience a bit i would imagine, i enjoyed DR2 so thats a bummer for the ppl getting it i think.

[Deividas]

At this point....Im just feeling bad for all the people that overpaid for this console... :/

I mean the games are only going to get bigger and more demanding....

[BattleTorn]

and more optimized.

But, I do agree. The games are going to get much, much more demanding.

[webeblazing]

people are mostly paying for Kinect. they should of left it out of the development and put a better cpu and gpu.

[Ravenor]

Considering all the framerate issues at E3 when it was shown behind closed doors, I can't say I'm surprised. 30FPS isn't by default a bad thing, it's the 720P number that's showing up with increasing regularity, that is the real issue.

[CrossingEden]

Because the beginning of a gen definitely showcases a console's power to the fullest. But yes, compare halo 3
http://images4.wikia.nocook...
to halo 4
http://www.forbes.com/pictu...

[Deividas]

Yes and thats because the x360 and ps3 were a lot harder to develop for and the more comfortable they got the easier it was to develop games on them.
But now, the devs already stated that the Xone and ps4 are really easy to develop for...so whats the excuse for this?
To me looks like weak hardware....

[CrossingEden]

@deividas, yes, let's not take the fact that these are earliest games,
"easier to develop for" does not mean "yo we are so pro with this tech bra, we automatically know the ins and outs of everything after one min bro, damn son, we so skillz"
It's like saying "I just discovered that I draw better with a pen than with a pencil," that doesn't mean that just because i'm using the pen means that I can automatically draw the mona lisa right off the bat.

[NewShadow101]

@crossingeden

yea true, halo 3 ran at 640p so it took them 10 years to get to 720p... wait, what?

point is weve been at 720p for the last 8-10 yrs. need to leave it behind especially with the hardware jump we got, this situation with the XBOXONE is getting old. what if the 360 ran at 480i like the original xbox. next gen my ass is what i would say.

[xPhearR3dx]

@Deividas

They never said it was really easy. They said it was easier. There's still a lot for the devs to learn. If what you are saying was true, then we would see no improvement in games over time when clearly that's not going to be the case.

In face, you're wrong about the 360. The 360 was rather easy to develop for where the PS3 was not. And look at what we have at the end of this gen, a game like GTA V. A technical masterpiece.

The advantage of the PS4 and Xbone is we wont have to wait YEARS for the devs to start understanding the hardware. They have a much better idea, but that doesn't mean they know everything.

[EXVirtual]

What the hell? They couldn't even get 900p? The game doesn't even look that good graphically anyway.

I can understand the 30fps (it doesn't seem like the type of game that needs 60fps), but they couldn't even get 900p? Let alone 1080p? Damn.
Also, why is Ryse 900p and this is 720p? Ryse looks much better graphically.

I'm really wondering how things are gonna go down for the XBO later down the line. How the hell is an exclusive for the XBO not even running at 900p?
@Statix, fair enough.

[Statix]

Part of the reason is that Crytek is a special studio; very few developers out there are as talented as Crytek's artists and programmers at architecting engines, optimizing to get the most out of platforms, and making games look good even on weaker hardware.

For example, Crysis 2 was one of the best looking multiplatform games running on the ancient PS3/360 hardware a couple years back.

[Pintheshadows]

From the previews today Ryse is basically a corridor. A very very pretty corridor.

[esemce]

I really don't think DR3 will stay exclusive. I will wait for the Super turbo directors cut edition to come to the PC or PS4 same as Tittyfall.

[LordMaim]

Sadly, with Microsoft publishing it, and their name featuring prominently in the title sequence, that isn't very likely for a long time. Its unfortunate, because I had a lot of fun with DR2 and I *really* don't want an Xbone. Maybe in a couple years, like with Mass Effect.

[HugoDrax]

Because I was able to purchase Dead Rising 1 on my ps3? Or Case Zero? Or Case West? It's exclusive, and the only reason you say that is because you wished you could play it at launch on PS4.

Where are the real gamers? I'm only seeing fanboys on this site, it's always a GREEN vs BLUE war on N4G.

[mistertwoturbo]

I hope that it will at least go to the PC. I enjoyed DR2 on the PC.

Gah... Dead Rising 3 is one of the only few titles that's making think to get an X1. But I can't shake the feeling that I should wait it out and pray for the PC version instead of dropping $500 on an underpowered overpriced sub-PC.

[Shinox]

This is Exclusive people , You hear that clearly "Exclusive" xD
Epic Fail right here

[Statix]

Yep, more Xbox 720p. :/

Some Xbox fans will try once again to pass the blame off onto the developers. And while that might be partially true (coupled with the new-console launch crunch with unfamiliar hardware), it is also a recurring trend that we're seeing many 720p games on the Xbone exclusively. First it was DICE, then it's Infinity Ward, and now it's Capcom. What's the common denominator between these three "lazy" devs?

It's also disconcerting that even though Dead Rising 3 is an exclusive game, and the developers only had to worry about one console, they still could not get it to run at 1080p.

[BattleTorn]

I'm trying my hardest to refrain from being too critical because these are *launch* titles. (some of which have current-gen ports)

But if the Xbox One can't get up to 1080p on exclusives, and especially with 3rd-parties, soon - it'll be fucked within a year.

[MRMagoo123]

If you read up on the tech that will be going into games coming next year and beyond it will only get worse for the xbone, when they start using gpu compute and having to move more files to the ram the xbone will struggle more and more as time goes on because the ESram is too small to shift all the stuff they will have to put on it, so in a few years multiplats will start looking way better on the ps4 while at the same time they will have to downgrade for the xbone.

Its not looking good , i think MS knows this and i hav an idea they will be hard at work making their next console and release it a lot earlier than expected.

[mistertwoturbo]

Don't forget Titanfall is 720p, and Killer Instinct.

I have a feeling Destiny is going to be 720p also. Bungie couldn't even get Halo 3 to run at 720p on the 360. They aren't the best when it comes to tech, but are good at making better gameplay.

[webeblazing]

mmmm nobody said anything about dice, but Capcom and iw are not good examples. how many people left those companies. no doubt its going to be a trend on xbone tho, but gfx going to progress but not sure if theyre going to focus on res

[Manic2014]

the game looks great, but still 720p sucks, i don't see how a game like Ryse could run 900p but Dead rising 3 cannot. Oh well the game is still going to be great.

[MusashiBlack]

The built I played at the x1 tour looked and played great. I can expect 30fps over 60fps with the sheer amount of stuff going on in the 15min demo I played. But 1080p would have been nice.

Ps. Anyone who have played DR before can pick this game up and immediately feel at home.
The controls are nearly identical and The zombies a way more aggressive.

[Sci0n]

here comes all the damage control and excuses from xbox gamers to try to justify the inferior consoles not living up to next gen standards performance wise

[Blaze929]

Funny thing, there are barely any Xbox gamers commenting here...but the majority? Well, you can see for yourself.

[Sci0n]

because they was all busy fighting in the PS4 cod ghost suffering from framerate issues thread. Xbox fans always had the crabs in a bucket mentality where if there is something wrong going on with there console they will say bu bu but the playstation is doing it too instead of being outraged at there console of choice lagging behind. When the drm policies was announced by microsoft for the x1 x1 gamers said playstation will have the same policies. When fans was outraged that microsoft would continue to paywall there users into using apps they already pay for and social functions they said PS4 will do it too.

[MasterCornholio]

Another 720P game.

Developers must be struggling like heck with the esram.

Nexus 7 2013

[HappyWithOneBubble]

Why you put Nexus 7 2013 at the end of your comments?

Really is shocking. Well it is what it is. I'm sure a lot of people will enjoy Dead Rising 3 regardless. For me I never liked the franchise.

[reaper24]

next-gen? you can't be serious...

[yewles1]

Just like dominoes...

[BattleTorn]

Every time the Xbox 720p gets more news I get that sick feeling like when I was shopping for new TVs, and the Best Buy salemen always insist "there's really no difference in 720p to 1080p" (when I was purchasing a small 24")

I would always have reiterate numerous times - 'I know the difference, and it's visible! STOP PITCHING ME ON 720P!'

[ballsohard2013]

i kinda knew this was coming. no freaking way they could run this game with all those moving zombies on the screen and do it at 1080p w/ 60fps. Neither could ps4 accomplish this without frame rate issues.

You guys act like there's a $500 graphics card in these bad boys. Granted these are gaming consoles and will essentially be a type of gaming pc that will be mass produced so lets say the graphics should be comparable to a $250-$300 card (aka 7950 or GTX 670), you still would have to take into account the rest of the console. At $399 and $499, early in its life cycle they couldnt get this game at that resolution and framerate.

Had it been a high end gaming pc or x1/ps4 cost about $800 clams then my expectations would be through the roof.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Nothing new here it always ran at 720 p 30fps since it was unveiled at e3. With that resolution the game still looks gorgeous and xbox one gamers won't be disappointed at all.

[MasterCornholio]

I thought it was supposed to be 1080P but then they downgraded the resolution because of performance issues. Kind of like what happened to Ryse, Battlefield 4 and Call of Duty which started off as 1080P games.

Nexus 7 2013

[FrigidDARKNESS]

It was announced to be 1080 p at e3 but the game has been running at 720p since August

[TristanPR77]

Wow, I couldn't be happy paying $500 for a console that is inferior and have many problems trying to run games at 1080p.

But if there are people being happy doing that then wow, that's shocker.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

The game still looks gorgeous 1080p does not gaurantee a better looking game.

[M-M]

"1080p does not gaurantee a better looking game."

My brain.

[Drekken]

Nice try, Adam Sessler.

[MRMagoo123]

It doesnt look gorgeous at all lol, If you said the game looks like it will be fun (if the fps doesnt drop below the 30 because that will ruin it a bit in high action moments) I would agree , but DR3 is far from being a good looking game, fun game yes good looking game no

[jessupj]

For those that know me (or just take a look at my comment history) I'm an avid sony fan and admittedly my inner fanboy can come out when people say stupid things.

I might get disagrees for this, but I'm inclined to partly agree with frigid.

*a pig flies past the window*

The game looks like it's still going to be hella fun and whether it was 720p or 1080p wouldn't change the fun factor that much. I think most people that buy this game are going to have a great time. Hopefully for them there aren't many frame rate dips.

But the real issue here though is the fact that the xbone seems to be having a hard time producing games up to next gen standard.

Granted these are launch games and developers are under very strict deadlines, but considering the PS4 seems to be having no such problems it's very telling.

And like people have been saying, developers are only going to want to improve on gameplay and become even more created in their visions.

Next gen doesn't just mean higher resolution, it's means smarter AI, more enemies on screen, more complex physics, more environmental destruction, and all round more complex game engines with intricate game mechanics... and all these areas are only going to improve in the near future and become a lot more taxing on the already taxed xbone hardware.

This isn't just going to affect the look of a game, it's going to affect gameplay as well. If I was getting an xbone I would be extremely extremely worried about all this.

[jade0732]

Aren't you just the littlest bit upset about this? I mean, I know your a xbox fan ( as em I ) but, c'mon! When is it ok to accept less for more! 720p was last gen and 1080p is now!
This is unacceptable! You should not let MS get away with this... They need to know we are unhappy with the current situation! Plan and simple.

[SoulSercher620]

Wow with your reply to MasterCornholio you caught yourself in a lie. I cant believe you're defending laziness.

[TrueJerseyDevil]

I find it sad that Microsoft can not even get their own exclusives to run at 1080p smh

[christocolus]

and so? does that mean the game wont sell well?gamers will still enjoy the game regardless and its still going to be a sucess for ms and capcom...1080p or not.

[Hicken]

What are you basing that on? Capcom's definition of success is probably not the same as what you call it, and in either case, things could be looking... not great for this game.

Here's the point though: people(gamers) will know, and they will be disappointed. They will go into GameStop and hear the news, or be told by friends who are more into gaming than they are. Did you think that just because not everybody comes to sites like this that they won't find out? I should say: do you HOPE that's the case?

Sorry to disappoint, but people WILL know, and they WILL care. And this game- and the console it's on- will suffer for it.

Sure, there will be people like you who make excuses for every shortcoming. Folks who claim "If you're a gamer, you get all the consoles," as if not getting them all means you're less of a gamer, regardless of your reasons.

But when it comes down to it, more people than you want to admit will decide NOT to get the game. And because it's happening on so many titles, more people than you want to admit will NOT get the console that's having these issues.

Couple in a higher price and all the others disadvantages, and the XB1 won't be the success you wish it could be.

[christocolus]

@hicken

lol...hicken hicken hicken..you keep trying your best..but it doesnt matter. for the first time in a while i tried reading your comment and its still the same bs about hw the xbx one will be a flop..i guess things dont change with you..have fun with your console of choice dude..back to ignoring you and those like you..but do me a favor and stop stalking me...by the way about your prophecy of doom regardn the xbx one dont hold your breadth though.....dont.

[XboxFun]

"Sorry to disappoint, but people WILL know, and they WILL care."

Just like people cared this gen right? Hicken has it ass-backwards, only people, I mean the SDF care what resolution or fps the game is in. The outside world just wants a shiny new toy.

The logic of Hicken is so warped that it's almost like some strange David Lynch comedy. People are going to pass on DR3 because it's 30fps?? And yet it's an open world, no loading, and has probably over a 1000 zombies FREE Roaming in an (again) an OPEN WORLD environment.

And yet it's the 30fps that will turn gamers off and not the other great next gen features of the game.

This is the mind of the warped sony fanboy. They don't care what a game can actually do only on how pretty it looks.

Is Hicken even excited about the PS4 or any PS4 game? Because all I see him do is comment on Xbox One, it's good to know that this system is on his mind more than his precious PS4.

[christocolus]

@xboxfun

i have given up trying to reason with hicken..the guy is relentless...and he keeps going around spreading same ol bs...well i dont give a damn anymore..anyone who trolls xbx articles this much i.e enemy..definitly has some secret admiration for the device.

[SpinalRemains138]

Yeah but you are getting the shaft. The game sells and MS sells and where are you? You're playing 720p games while the real next gen is playing higher resolution titles for less money.

Its not hard to understand. Xbox One is shafting you hard.

[Hicken]

I haven't said the XB1 would be doomed, or a flop.

I DID say that continuing news of games struggling to meet "standard" resolution and fps will be damaging. If you've got something to dispute that, by all means, share.

I also said that, counter to your claim, people will know, and they will care. Believe it or not, word spreads rather quickly these days, and history has already shown us that people gravitate towards things based on what their peers think(part of the reason why the 360 was so popular).

The game struggling to maintain 30fps could well mean it won't sell well. And yes, Dead Rising 3 not being up to a perceived graphical standard can have the same effect.

Yep, people cared this generation. You had Xbox fanboys and even magazines claiming the minor differences in resolution, texture, and framerate game the 360 advantages. And that was NOTHING like what we're already seeing with the PS4 and XB1. I remember Xbox fans bragging about Mafia II because the PS3 lacked the same grass textures. Do those people- do those events- no longer exist, now that Xbox isn't the console that can be bragged about?

What can the game do? You talk up "1000 zombies," but they might as well be 1000 trees, for all the moving they do until they're right on top of you. Wait, you didn't even say it like fact. You say "probably," meaning possibly, and you hope it's more likely than not. So while you accuse me of not noting what the game CAN do, you don't even assert any such thing, yourself.

As for the games I'm looking forward to, pretty sure my comment history has frequently noted Killzone, Drive Club, Resogun, DC Universe(carrying over from PS3), Rime, and inFamous.

And you've never "reasoned" with me. You've stated the same baseless argument repeatedly, your comments as rooted in realism as a hobbit in Brooklyn.

[Godhimself_In_3d]

And they called the ps4 a ps3.5 lol looking more like Xbox 361 lmao. I see the new ads already the xbox one the only place to play in full 720p lol.

[isarai]

Not one to care much about resolution so much, but c'mon MS, you're making it near impossible to justify paying the extra $100 on you console as opposed to the competition.

[H0RSE]

I can already see all the inaccurate comparisons when comparing this game with exclusives on PS4. There is an impressive amount of things happening on screen at once in DR3, but of course none of that matters to many - they completely dismiss it and see focus only on numbers. 1080p vs 720p. 30fps vs 60fps.... That fact that so much stuff id going on a t once, is a direct example of "next-gen" despite the resolution and framerate.

Where was it stated that 1080p/60fps was going to be a standard for net-gen gaming, because all I've been able to find as a "source" for these claims, is wishful thinking on behalf of the community. Many want to use the the price of systems as a way to justify these claims, when in actuality, the next-gen consoles are modestly priced. Single PC components can cost as much or more than an entire next-gen console, and in some cases, more than both. I'm sure many of you have TV's that cost more, and perhaps home theater speakers as well. Many of your phones, if bought outright, cost more than the new consoles, and there's also the case that PS3 launched with a $600 price tag.

I'm not defending the game running at 720p/30fps out of brand loyalty, but rather due to seeing a game running on console with 1000's of models on screen at once, and using rational thought to come to the conclusion that, although 1080p/60fps would have been remarkably impressive, it was also pretty impractical to expect, under the circumstances. When and if PS4 features an exclusive this "active," we'll see how good it runs.

There are always sacrifices to make - performance vs quality. Many seem to have already made up their minds that the next-gen systems shouldn't have any comprises to make, and should be consistently running both at high levels. When speaking from a technical aspect, if you choose console over PC, you should be prepared to settle for "good enough," with "the best" being an exception to the rule. It seems that even at this early pre-launch stage, gamers are already expecting "the best" as the norm.

[PSVita]

We all know if it were the other way around...

[H0RSE]

My comment actually has nothing to do with a "console wars" mindset. It isn't about us vs them, so if it was the "other way around" I would a still be saying the same thing.

[Games_R_Us]

Great answer mate, but your preaching to the choir here. Every one is a fucking expert, programer, developer and more. No matter how correct your post, expect total disagreement. The less we entertain bullshit stories like this that focus on pixels and frame rates the better off next gen will be. People dont understand the balancing act needed to program a game, as well as time, learning hardware and more. Since when is 1080p/60fps the holy gospel according to Troll? Seriously, I'd rather play some great games at launch than nothing at all on my supercharged PS4. You'll never win here mate, best to cease trying to comment and educate a bunch of hardware nuts with supreme powers and all that shit. Just enjoy DR3,Titanfal, Ryse, Forza 5 and more while they play their X-Plat games in 1080p Native. I know where I'd rather be.

[imt558]

Quote :

....There are always sacrifices to make - performance vs quality. Many seem to have already made up their minds that the next-gen systems shouldn't have any comprises to make, and should be consistently running both at high levels. When speaking from a technical aspect, if you choose console over PC, you should be prepared to settle for "good enough," with "the best" being an exception to the rule. It seems that even at this early pre-launch stage, gamers are already expecting "the best" as the norm....

What quality? Graphics in DR3 aren't next-gen. No dynamic lightning lightnig, no AA, low res textures, weak LOD on chareacters. At least DOF is OK. Look the Ryse how it looks on big area and with more graphics effects. At least DR3 should be at 900p. Upscaled 720p to 1080p is not good looking on big TV's ( from 40 inch ).

[Gr1mmyshadows]

and it still looks amazing

[AnteCash]

Fear not , they have not used the secret sauce yet
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-m...

[RyuCloudStrife]

lmao dude you have me ROLLING lol

[Sci0n]

ok im outta here laughing too loud at my job, today has been wayy too comical for me.

[grassyknoll]

Last of Us looks better than this. Embarrassing.

[H0RSE]

Does TLOU has the same amount of models and "action" happening onscreen at once throughout the course of the game? To simply overlook everything and focus solely on the numbers, is ignorance.

KZ:SF may be running at 1080p, but is only achieving 60fps in MP. They ramped up the visuals, and as a result, took a hit to performance, and this is only on an FPS game, with not nearly as much going on at once.

@below

There was no comparison of power between the 2 consoles, only in the inaccurate comparisons between the games themselves. Even if DR3 was released on PS4, it would likely not achieve 1080p/60fps, without sacrifices, if at all.

You also need to account for the devs themselves, since ultimately they are the one responsible for delivery the performance and quality we get from games, despite how much power they have to work with.

[Shinox]

Comparing PS3 power to Xbone "Power" is also ignorance , FACT !

[grassyknoll]

No doubt it has lots of zombies on screen, but they hardly require complex AI routines. The animation, textures, AA & lighting all look better on a PS3 game, that's totally unacceptable, no matter how you cut it.

[H0RSE]

And how nice do you think those animations, textures, AA and lighting would look on TLOU if it had to render all those extra models at once? Your argument is inaccurate and selective.

And AI routines is more of a CPU thing than a GPU, which wouldn't really have an effect on the resolution.

[razrye]

Actually it's been confirmed that killzone is running 60fps on multiplayer and campaign.

[imt558]

Quote :

KZ:SF may be running at 1080p, but is only achieving 60fps in MP. They ramped up the visuals, and as a result, took a hit to performance, and this is only on an FPS game, with not nearly as much going on at once.

No, not happening at all at once. Many explosions, gunfire, particles, rain effects ( in some maps ) dynamic lightning etc....

[LGM313]

By far better.

[christocolus]

couldnt care less..definitly a day one purchase for me.

[LGM313]

Not much of a choice.

[ger2396]

You're exactly the consumer microsoft is targeting. Someone who is willing to pay more and get less. Its your money, to each his own.

[christocolus]

sorry dude but 720p or 1080p has never been my reason for buying a game..it never was this gen and never will next gen...i buy games to enjoy them and if thats what all xbx fans are like then its a good thing...cos we see value in the box we paying for....i dont downplay others choices never have...evryone has his preferences...and we should respect that.

[GurlPleaseBye]

Child...stfu. If the game is up to the standards of his liking, get the f*** over it and move on. What point is there to make a comment that belittles someone purchase choices?

Stupid *** fanboys are killing me on this site lately.

[jimbobbeers]

Well done pal, spot on. Do as you wish, the amount of complete and utter tosh from people on this site because they cannot possibly comprehend how and why you want an Xbox One is insane. Enjoy it. Enjoy gaming.

[Games_R_Us]

Yep agreed. Now watch the disagree button get selected cause remember, N4G is offical Sony Camp so to expect any support for Xbox is just silly.

[ExitToExisT]

OH MY GOD. It was running at 1080p at E3 when the fps was 20.
So the only way they can get 30 fps is to render the game at 720p. Just wow. I am really shocked that how the next gen sucks.

[Tctczach]

Pretty sure this was announced a while back. But let's bring it up again.

[Gore-Content]

Well well, even their own exclusive games can't handle 1080p. This is quite revealing.

[tigertron]

It's just more bad news after the next. 0.o

[Shadonic]

So I'm confused If uniqe and fun gameplay doesnt matter than I'm only buying Next gen for better graphics? I'm getting PS4 but im excited for dead rising three and the state of decay MMO for Xbox one I mean really it seems like gamers these days would reather have a shitty game with top of the line visuals than a very fun and enjoyable game with good or decent graphics. Yes having both would be amazing but gameplay comes first and formost.

[MikeGdaGod]

i think the issue is most PS only gamers know they don't have to choose between top of the line visuals and great gameplay.

games like UC series, TLOU, GOW series, MGS4, Infamous series, LBP series....have proved we can have both without compromise.

[worldwidegaming]

Lambs to the slaughter we gamers are!
A very very sad day because we are not getting what we want.
It really was not promised to, only talked about by people who do not have any real say so. Its just opinion that it should run and now after seeing the crap hit the fan we all know our dreams of next gen are just that. A dream.
for the next 5 years we will be promised everything but given nothing...

[feraldrgn]

I guess this is what was sacrificed to get so many Zombies on screen, I'm sure the Dead Rising enthusiasts will have fun with it though.

[JuniorCE]

This is such a hypocrisy I must say...
Now we see all the xbox 1 fanboys literally saying that 720p is better than 1080p... But if it was all the way around... Xbox 1 fanboys would be saying otherwise...

Come on if the Xbox is running on 720p, of course they can improve more details on the game... Can you imagine how better it would the PS4 doing the same thing?

By the way... On Call of Duty Ghost...
Xbox One Suffers Frame Stutter In Call Of Duty: Ghosts

Just watch both videos.... Noticeable poor framing on top of the bus... Which is crazy since Ghost is running at a lower resolution of 720p

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

[Games_R_Us]

Smells like the developers fault to me, not the hardware if the issue is consistent on both at various settings.

[5eriously]

So Paul do ALL THE DEVELOPERS from all companies have the same problem or not? Hell Yes! Are all of them who announce 720p at debatable framerates all together in a conspiracy against M$. Hell NO! Just inform us WHAT is your knowledge and expertise on electronic hardware and or software and programming? Hell I think nothing. I do believe you have ample experience in gaming and how to use a controller. Now please after considering all the above please explain in detail what the developers faults are and how you see it must be rectified. If you can do that then M$ will employ you for $40000+ per month as from what I see reading between the lines , looking at facts and listening to real people in the industry M$ really need the expertise of someone like you guys that knows it all and who may be able to help them out of this mess. Gawd even all the gamers will send you a donation every month if you can fix these issues. I am waiting for your reply and M$ are waiting for your CV's! Get moving guys we seriously need you MacGyver skills! Maybe a few of your atypical clan mate exsperts in this thread can club in and help you! Here is a list C'mon guys, M$ needs the team! Get on it! NOW!

JokesOnYou
XboxFun
H0RSE
christocolus
Septic
n4rc
Belking
Gamer666

[Hicken]

Those dual XB1 love songs were the first time I noticed you, but looking through your comments, you really are letting MS get balls deep into you, aren't you?

It's depressing how utterly delusional you are.

[Chrisgamerguy]

Really people saying dr3 isn't worth playing because its 720p and 30fps... Silly me i thought we should play games that are fun, but I guess I was wrong you should only play games that run at 1080p. Everyone stop playing the last of us it only runs at 720p!

[devwan]

Of course we enjoy games that are fun, that being the whole point of games. But new console generations are all about doing that with a leap in graphical fidelity as much as any other single thing.

Games are a visual medium - graphical quality, resolution and screen update speed are as important as anything else when creating the most immersive experiences.

If a platform is struggling to show it has the grunt to pull away from the existing generation of hardware, how's it going to be able to manage to support new gaming experiences that require magnitudes more processing power? It's not just a graphical prowess thing - it's a benchmark of future possibilities.

Nobody is saying DR3 won't be fun and won't be worth playing simply because it's 720P/30 and not higher. The problem is more to do with the fact that the hardware is clearly less impressive than we've been led to believe up until very recently. Why such a game runs with a less-than-optimal (and hardly inspiring) combination of resolution and frame rate is a cause for concern... and do we know why? Are the resources reserved for non-gaming software and kinect support to blame? Or the esram bottleneck? (that itself was supposed to be a pressure-relief valve for the DDR3's own speed bottleneck), or are a tangled web of hierarchical OSs to blame? or is it a combination of these factors or more? Whatever it is we're not privy to the information but can observe and draw our own conclusions based on what we see as these games arrive over the next few weeks...

...and personally I don't see evidence of a hardware platform that is as capable of delivering the next level in gaming as the competition.

[MikeGdaGod]

wow...i definitely don't want to pile on...but if 1080p/720p didn't matter, why buy 1080p tvs? why not just save money and buy 720p tvs?

this is a silly argument.

[justSumDood]

i really dont care about any of that, DR3 is still a Day 1 purchase for me when its released on ps4

[jay2]

I'm joining the ps4 Dr3 queu

[Polysix]

But You bet it wont be 720p on PS4! No way. Maybe 720p 60fps but more likely 1080p 30fps. THE PS4 can handle stuff the Xbone simply can't.

And I too would be interested in DR3 on PS4 if it's a good game. IF. Cos DR2 wasn't a patch on DR1.

[jay2]

But surly the cloud will fix this issue so jump online for 1080p 60fps...... Edit someone doesn't get sarcasm

[talhat2]

At least the UI is Native 1080p.....

[sypher]

People get so carried away with the amount of characters on screen. Same models/AI in their hundreds has been done for years. It is called Dynasty Warriors.

[hemmo1986]

I don't get it??? Seriously I don't. Why pay more for less???
A monkey could work that out.

Just going off the bad press is enough for me to steer clear of the xboxone.

I was going with whatever console offers more and a better experience. So far from what I'm hearing its looking better for one company.

How can u ignore it??? I loved the 360 but microsoft has really dropped the ball.

u remind of all those nintendo fan boys back in the day (which I was actually one, I loved my n64) clinging on to their failing brand while the ps kicked the shit out of them.

Each to there own though. Enjoy what u want to

[Games_R_Us]

Pay more for less?
Im paying $50 extra in Australia for XB1
I get FIFA 14 worth $80
I get Kinect worth at least $100
Thats $180 value for $50 more.

Looks good enough to me.

Then again, I'm picking XB1 for the games I love, franchises, Xbox Live, my friends and my history with Xbox. Thats all the reason I need.

[zidane1341]

my god you sony fsnboys don't have a single brain cell do you?

Blah blah blah, xbone crap talking blah blah. You fanboys can only act like this is the way it will always be. Smarty pants, you DO realize that games always look there worst during the begining of a gen? Look at the xbox 360, and Farcry Instincts. That game looks horrible. Flash back to Farcry 3, and it looks much better. I could have sworn we play games, not resolution or graphics. But NOOOO, the ps4 has less features, but with better graphics, so its a god machine, LOL. Who gives a flying F? Get a life, any of you that only talk about resolution and graphics. If the ps4 was so superior, then it would ALWAYS look better then xbox, as apposed to the xbox looking better in spots.

[devwan]

See, Microsoft, this is what you've forced your ultraloyal fanbase into doing - huge meltdowns and rants all because you took gamers for granted as you cast your eyes on this ill-conceived battle for the living room that has been your goal all along.

@zidane1341 "I could have sworn we play games, not resolution or graphics"

If that were the case there would be no reason for new console generations. Games are the sum of their parts - with greater processing power and higher resolutions and fidelity come greater opportunities for deeper immersion into the gaming experience.

[SoulSercher620]

Damage control at maximum here.

Oh and by the way the PS4 IS superior graphics wise. COD Ghosts is a prime example and the first party games will show that as well.

[Games_R_Us]

Yeah when your system gets some first party games.

[Perezmex38]

Hahaha! Microsofty get your mind right! We are in 2013 not 2003. 720 hahah!

[mediate-this]

Im not worried at all if the dead rising cant hit 1080/60 p/frames, its a launch title micro went with weird specs for their system, if iron it out awesome if they thats on them, i my self love to buy all systems to experience great games. Getting ps4 day one, and that system looks promising.

Doesnt wii u hit 1080/60 p/frames?

[assdan]

No surprise. The devs sounded like they were having trouble pushing 30fps.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Well HUD and game is in 1080p but when their are more than 500 zombies on screen the resolution drops down to 720p you wouldn't notice it because of the x1 scaler.

[DoesUs]

The UI is 1080, the game at all times is 720, as mentioned by the developers. Stop spreading misinformation. You guys from the other side always spread fud. 8)

[Denethor_II]

The worst thing being it (DR3) has been built from the ground up for Xbone, so there's no excuses. 'Oh but Ryse was built for 360!' And what not.
Also COD excuses, the least graphically demanding game ever made, and the BF4 excuses.
I'm sure there's more damage control quotes, but the point being maybe we should just except you get what you pay for. Oh wait.......

[DonJuan1285]

Why is infamous a game that's not even in the launch Window being mentioned. Games later on will take full advantage compare launch games only with other launch games. I'm getting both systems at launch and I'm mostly looking forward to KI after playing it at the xbox event

[larrysdirtydrawss]

isnt infamous coming out in feb/march time-frame? just look at infamous footage we already seen.its leaps and bounds more impressive than this nightmare

[Consoles4kidz]

No kidding, I saw the E3 trailer of Halo 5 and it blows anything ps4 has outta the water. Lulz C what i derpd thurrr?

[headblackman]

games will run in 720p from the disc because it was never meant to run from the disc. the disc is just the key. you will see 1080p native 60 fps after the disc has been completely offloaded from the disc to the cloud. Microsoft keeps telling you that the vision has not changed from the original plans. they've only been delayed a little. so in order to please the people, not only are they gonna stick with the original plan, but they also have to put the full game onto the 25-50gig bluray disc. so if you don't have internet access, you'll still be able to play your games and if you do have internet access you'll be able to play your game as it was meant to be played in its highest form. so downplay the cloud all you want,but this is very possible and more so with Microsoft than anyone else. so I'm not worried one bit. I get it, just like I totally understood what the DRM was all about (good and bad)

[gano]

everything you said sound effd up.

[headblackman]

only to a PlayStation fan who doesn't want it to be true. go back and church all of Microsoft's statements and rundown of what the plans was for the Xbox one,cloud,and the output claims of every game before the people started crying about DRM. this is still very true and still their vision. so say what you will, but it will happen.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

guys this will be 1080p 30fps,next year on ps4(dr4)

[BobBelcher]

this game looks interesting. I might have to get it later on.

Resolution fights are for idiots.

[Consoles4kidz]

Where are all these great looking PS4 games. Wait.. forget the great part, how about where are all the ps4 games peroid?

[SoulSercher620]

This is disappointing and inexcusable. And please dont respond with the following:

"Who cares? It's still going to be a great game!"
That is being ignorant of the fact and implying it's okay to support this laziness.

"Well there are thousands of zombies"
Umm ok and? These are next-gen consoles that should be capable of much more.

"Well the PS4 can't do 1080p 60fps either"
Not neccessarily for every game but it's pretty damn close and the multiplatform games are starting to show that.

Therefore none of these are good reasons.

[ibrake4naps]

720p, 30 fps- must be on xbone...

[LordDhampire]

A game like dead rising is fine 30 fps

[urwifeminder]

Its a trade off no or flat low textures at 1080p or high textures at 720p pc is the way to go either way but love forza so I will be happy but this game looks fun as hell so the only place I can play it is xb1 done deal.

[aLiEnViSiToR]

lol that's just sad...

[mondofish]

Curse consumers for wanting to be able to max out their expensive 1080p TVs! How dare they! Getting your moneys worth is so selfish! Consumers really need to learn that they should be paying more money for less quality! You know why not jack the price up $100 more and go for native 480p? I'd pay $9000 for a console that only displayed 8bit visuals!

...Man you fanboys are silly. Get a job!

[NewShadow101]

ok... let me see here -_-

im just trying to put my 2 cents in for a few comments on here.

a fun game running at 720p 30fps > a boring game running at 1080p 60fps. dont worry xbox fans youll get plenty of 720p 30fps games, more than you could wish for! ...

60fps. why? have you played on a PC? do you know how beautiful 60fps looks? yea guess not...

who cares if its 720p? its NEXT gen, not currentMAYBEnextBUTnotQUITEgen . and im not gonna pay $500 for a 360 !!! i mean XBOXONE!!! ... but ill be fair and look at Killzone through a screen door while i play it.

i dont care how you spin it, the PS4 without a doubt could run this game better. SPECS. all of you look at the specs of the XBONE and PS4 on paper and say thats not how its gonna be out here in the real world. numbers dont lie. the specs DO matter. otherwise ill go buy a gateway and play me some battlefield 4 on ultra.

everyone thinks were bashing microsoft just to do so but in reality we are concerned FOR you because i can sit here and tell you that you are getting LESS and paying MORE! and you will still defend them. if i pre ordered an xbone i would be done at this point, retract my pre order and wait for the next shipment of PS4's to come through.

tell you what since everyone here is ok with getting 720p (any lower it wouldnt be HD) games on a $500 "next"gen console than from here on out all XBOXONE games get a free pass, nothing to say about them because 720p is officially their new standard.

my 2 cents.

[jspillen]

Xbots were starting to accept that they're stuck with lower resolutions, but now to have to be stricken back to 30 fps… and it's game that just has a lot of stuff on screen. Boooooooooo !!!

The shit storm just keeps following Microsoft.

[SpinalRemains138]

Cats out of the bag!

The Xbox One is indeed 360.5

Junk

[---stone---]

To take the Playstation 3 tag line of "It only does..."

Xbox One: It only does 720p.

Maybe M$ should have just named the next Xbox console like many thought it would have been called. The Xbox 720...p

[---stone---]

If an Xbox game runs 720p and available on both the Xboner and 360... just get it on the 360.

Soon are we to find out that Forza 5 is running 720p @... 60fps? ... and Ryse to be reduced from 900p to 720p?

Like Spinal said, it might as well be the Xbox360.5 or just 365.

I think all this 720p shit would be more palatable, imo, if the Xbone only cost $399. (with/or without kinect)

[svoulis]

Would imagine they'd consider lowering the zombie count just to get the game to look and run better. The fact of the matter is simple. Right now XO has one confirmed 1080p native AAA exclusive...and that's scary.

They haven't even confined the resolution and fps on any third party games aside from BF4 AND COD. What about NFS AND AC IV

This is looking more and more sketchy as release gets closer. Don't know if I really want a XO now. With all the crap about Ryse and now this...

Titanfall I can get. On PC.

Can't wait for PS4

[just-joe]

30 fps.... eww.

[TheSaint]

30fps? Is this on 360? Someone needs to get slapped for this, this is not next gen.

[MadLad]

That's . . . disappointing.
As a PC gamer, while I am interested in some of the games the One has to offer, it is not offering experiences that I am accustomed to.
720p at 30 frames, honestly, is a no-go for me. That's just sub-par, no matter how good the game itself may be.

[Mr_Luke]

It's sad. Just sad. Not only because you have to pay $500 for a console that delivers almost old gen games, but for the M$ fanboys too that are ok with all these things (and they're going to pay $70 for this game). Come on, even on PS3 there was Heavenly Sword with thousand of people on the screen... and even NNN on X360 if i'm not wrong. I'm not saying "the console is S*it!!" or crap like that, i'm saying that with all those prices around ($500+70) someone deserves more. Instead no, i read all comments like "it's open world! it's fun!". Oh well, if you like those politics (costs more, delivers less) you're welcome. "resolution doesn't matter! FPS don matter!" yeah, right, continue repeating yourselves that.
I'm not mentioning anything about the "other console", i'm speaking in general. But of course Xbox fanboys, the hardcore ones, are going to disagree, it's normal.

[mixelon]

.. I'm largely with you but it is open world and it probably will be fun.. So resolution etc aside i can see people enjoying it for what it is.

I was pretty jealous of DR1 for the 360 until i got a 360 a few years later. DR1 is still a great game - and one of the few i cared about which didn't get a superior PC port later on. If DR3 doesn't get ported to anything else either then that'll be a shame... Again.

[mixelon]

Hmm.. Is DR 3 a completely new engine? It doesn't take a very powerful PC to run DR2 at >60fps.

Saying that, all the hate for 30fps is pretty funny considering most peoples favourite games this gen have likely been 30fps. You can have a pretty 30fps game. Im expecting a lot of the graphical showcase games to ultimately end up 30fps too so they can pile on effects.

[hello12]

There is literally hundreds of zombies on screen at one time, this is a very demanding game. I think people forget that.

[kingPoS]

The obsession of 1080p is silly if you want devs to push more than just visuals...

-JokesOnYou

I'd never thought Jokes would say that. Doesn't... he or she realize that such a quip is the same as giving fanboy's a jerrycan full of highly volatile fuel.

It's a flame war waiting to happen.

[bornsinner]

killzone had to limit 24 characters on screen being 1080p 30... a zombie game with only 24 character limit would be terrible... so 720 was a smart move... killzone certainly made a bad move.. dont expect any epic mass multi killings on that game lol

[etownone]

Just sucks that both PS4 and Xbox One can't play all their games at 1080p & 60 fps.

I really don't get it.... Sure the graphics are improved....
But he's next gen systems are supposed to be like 10 X more powerfull then current gen.

[marcofdeath]

Part1

marcofdeath 5 minutes ago
Playstation 4 or Xbox One? What is the most powerful hardware?

Articles , Features

09/10/2013

by Marison Parreiras

"Playstation 4 and Xbox One, the new consoles that will invade the market from 15 and November 22 are technical marvels still little known. Some information has already been disseminated, but the market is still lacking in a sense of the potential of both and how we in benefits over current consoles and even PCs to

Playstation 4 or Xbox One?

The interest in producing an analysis as soon leave more technical information about the PS4 would not let me quiet. After all, what would be the best option in this new generation? Anyway, you can now have a good idea about it.

Recently it was reported how the implementation of the human PS4 then became possible to compare and analyze more fully both consoles. I added the main sources used by the end of the text. Consider that the fonts used on the PS4 are not official, but a site that has already hit several times. Information about Xbox One is official, available in a symposium on high-performance hardware, the Hot Chips .

To make it clear what I will talk to people who are not very aware, let some concepts beforehand so oversimplified, but geared for use on consoles. It is necessary to have some intimate knowledge of how a computer works with a video card and 3D graphics. If you are interested in discussing the topic, be sure to post your opinion in the comments list!
Concepts

Differences between CPU and GPU: CPUs are better at processing that contains a lot of decision making (if-then-else or if-then-else), even if nested (one inside the other), that depend on more levels of cache, they are little parallelizable. GPUs are almost the reverse of that good. An example would be deciding which Brazilian taxes and what tax rates apply depending on the product type and company, city, state. This decision is good to be done on the CPU. Once you know what are the taxes, we could use the GPU to calculate them on a list of values ​​of products and services, in parallel, the GPU itself. In video games we can consider that the code that reads and sets the controls to be executed would take advantage of more CPU resources. The analysis of collisions between objects benefits most from the GPU.

GPGPU: Using computational power of GPUs for non-graphics processing. Artificial intelligence, physics, audio processing are among the typical uses of GPGPU in videogames. On the PS3 was used to calculate the folding and unfolding of proteins in the Folding @ home program, a project with this information you want to prevent and treat diseases. Xbox 360 is used for processing signals sent by some Kinect.

Cache coherency and memory: Ensures that all necessary information to the CPU or GPU is the latest, even if it is a L1 cache of the CPU cores. It is very important to guarantee that the GPU does not render anything based on invalid data in RAM, and the CPU cache for latest information. Imagine the possibility of lost work and in some cases even bugs and processing failures that are difficult to detect. AMD developed the best system coherence between caches of CPUs in multiprocessor systems since the Athlon MP. Has solid experience and I believe it will be very useful in the islands.

[FANTA1180]

every sony fanboy putting up , "UNRELEASED TITLES " versus a finished game thats releasing in two weeks ...

holy crap you guys are clownssssssssss

[marcofdeath]

Part 2
HUMA: CPU and GPU access the same memory area. On the PC, when you want to render something on the GPU is not graphic, it is necessary to copy the RAM from the CPU to the GPU, process, and then make a copy of return. In some cases, in order to make good use at different stages of the processing resources of the CPUs and GPUs copies of this sequence occurs multiple times for a single result.

This is the kind of thing that can leave the top consoles for some tasks in relation to PCs AMD has officially launch this feature in a more extensive and complete to PCs later this year, but for a time only available in some computers. Special purpose processors are being developed to transport the data consistency and make more transparent, without interference from the developer.

MMU / Move Engines / DRAM processors: processors are special purpose aforesaid, designed to take care of memory transfers, making specific operations and adding the data that will be needed for each component can process them without using processing cycles CPU and GPU.

Memory Latency: Time to get a transfer to occur, usually measured in cycles requester's own memory or time unit.

Memory Bandwidth: Ability to transfer a memory bus, usually measured in bytes per second.

Partially Resident Textures / PRT: Textures or other assets are partially resided in memory. Instead of loading all the textures needed for the scene, with DirectX 11.2 and OpenGL latest you can load only the necessary blocks. This feature allows you to save a lot of RAM, bandwidth of communication and charging time HD or Blu-ray.
Analysis

Comparisons between previous architectures

The following excerpt contains more useful information to understand the benefits of new architectures, based on the advantages and disadvantages of previous architectures.

The Xbox 360 was designing from the outset to have a dedicated CPU for processing typical gaming GPU and a very powerful and innovative. The GPU of the Xbox 360, the Xenos, was the first to have unified shaders. Thus it was possible to use code to alter both the vertices of the polygons as the pixels in any shader, and GPGPU. The Xenos was still on a high speed eDRAM (256GB / s), even faster than esram Xbox One, but that was several operations framebuffer without cost thanks to 192 extra floating point processors. There is a GPU PC that is very similar to Xenos.

The CPU Xenon Xbox 360 has three cores that can run well in any type of typical code CPUs There 1MB shared cache among these three cores. All these nuclei are equal and have the ability to predict which path will be followed after a decision (Branch Prediction). Prediction errors that cause lost work on CPUs, thus necessitating redo everything from the last turn. Each of the cores has two threads, or 6 can perform concurrent code sequences sharing the resources of each core. VMX128 also has instructions that can process information in parallel as in the GPUs 128 in registers 128 bits.

The PS3 was originally designed with only the Cell as CPU, no GPU, Ken Kutaragi thought it would be enough. This is very similar to the architecture of the PS2, which has a better CPU and a GPU that virtually does nothing alone . The Cell is a CPU with a core, the PPE, which performs two code sequences and is facing typical tasks of CPU. The PPE has 512KB of cache and branch prediction. It is she who distributes tasks to each of the seven SPEs, specialized centers that have 256KB of SRAM and are fast in floating point calculations. The SPEs have no access to RAM, but receive data by a high speed internal bus and can exchange data among themselves or pass them back to the core. 7 cores are in need must always be getting work packages to be put to good use.

[marcofdeath]

Part3
During the development of the PS3, come to think of two Cells, but gave up this approach. Finally, decided by the situation of having a GPU based on the NVIDIA 7800 series, without many known differences, beyond a Cell CPU. The Cell is powerful, but is well below a GPU for graphics tasks. Just use the Cell to build a framebuffer using SPEs let the whole system very limited.

One of the few practical disadvantages CPU Xbox 360 to the PS3 was the latency caused by the GDDR3 memory shared by the CPU and GPU as the GDDR5 PS4. If information was not in the CPU caches, it would have to wait 500 cycles to begin to be available. As the Cell was not done on the GPU memory, RDRAM, it could lower latency as well (do not know how many cycles).

The Cell had half the cache of Xenon and their own problems to distribute data to the SPEs, not accessing the memory directly, as commented. These problems included a lot of latency in ring bus, which fortunately had a lot of bandwidth.

On Xbox 360 there is also a useful resource that limited part of their problems. Was allowed to send data structures from the CPU to the GPU through the L2 cache without suffering from the RAM latency. The GPU consume this data in their time, releasing the associated memory. The CPU's L2 marked areas for this use and it was not possible that CPU operations invalidate these data.

Another feature of the Xbox 360 GPU is the ability to read and write data directly into system memory using the function MEMEXPORT. This lets you use as much CPU resources as the GPU, using the strengths of each, to process certain information. The same on the PS3 would require copies of data between CPU and GPU memories, or very slow access the Cell GPU memory. Anyway, would be slower, but these problems have not been completely eliminated with the new architecture.

Differences in processing power of CPU and GPU in the new consoles

With what I know of the PS4 architecture, we have the ability to use CPU to process data in a particular area of ​​the RAM at the same time we use the GPU, or merging. This can be very useful to compensate for the fact of not having special purpose processors for CPU heavy tasks and be based on a mobile CPU and off-the-shelf (very similar to what AMD released on PCs).

The CPU of the Xbox One is based on the same design, but very customized and is 150MHz faster . This CPU also performs more operations per clock and per core (6 vs. 4 on PS4).

Based on current data, there is much talk of the PS4 to have 40% more power on the GPU (also mention several times the 50%, but had an increase in GPU clock Xbox One). However, this is kinda flawed and based on the following: The CPU and GPU in PS4 are not balanced because the CPU is slower than it would take to make the best GPU. When this occurs in PCs, GPUs with CPUs that much better or vice versa, did not get the maximum performance. With that, the 18 compute units divided in 14 to 4 for graphics and GPGPU. The 4 compute units can be used for graphics, but the gain is minimal, according to their chief architect. Thus there is an incentive to use them with GPGPU.

One on Xbox have 12 compute units, but would be well compatible with the processing power of the CPU. Also included in the Xbox One 15 special processors that reduce the work required on the CPU. The GPUs themselves are lower than for typical tasks of CPU and still have the status of the Xbox CPU One be customized. Considering all this, it is likely that this difference falls to only 2 GPU compute units (14 against 12). If you do not have any new Sony PS4 and Xbox One must be very similar. Sony promised more complete technical specifications in the last Tokyo Game Show, but did not disclose anything that could affect the performance chart.

[marcofdeath]

Part 4
One on Xbox have 12 compute units, but would be well compatible with the processing power of the CPU. Also included in the Xbox One 15 special processors that reduce the work required on the CPU. The GPUs themselves are lower than for typical tasks of CPU and still have the status of the Xbox CPU One be customized. Considering all this, it is likely that this difference falls to only 2 GPU compute units (14 against 12). If you do not have any new Sony PS4 and Xbox One must be very similar. Sony promised more complete technical specifications in the last Tokyo Game Show, but did not disclose anything that could affect the performance chart.

Implementation of the human PS4 and Xbox One

The human form of the PS4 is already implemented since the APU Llano January 2011, with the same 10GB / s for read and write by the CPU, but added a few modes of operation. The difference is that the bus no consistency to the GPU allows access to up to 176GB / s, 10x more than in Llano, thanks to the use of GDDR5 memory. When it is necessary consistency of data of the GPU bus is shared 10GB / s and PS4 must be pre-programmed to do so.

Xbox One can access the esram RAM and up to 272GB / s combined for 4-channel bidirectional communications with each type of memory. Access will be consistent with the 30GB / s thanks to MMUs. The implementation of the Human Xbox One was developed in partnership with Microsoft and I believe is based on the implementation of the AMD APUs that will come out later this year, as have the MMUs in common.

The PS4 has limitations that may be significant to the implementation of human. There are several ways to control how the information requested by the CPU or GPU affect the caches, which is good, but at the same time is a lot of work and very manual synchronization between threads to prevent any bugs by dirty cache. The implementation of Huma is partly automatic, but depends on defining correct information for each memory page and ask them to transfer the cache to RAM when there is the possibility of it getting dirty with information from another thread or core.

The Xbox One is more attuned to the human to be launched later this year in PCs With MMU and implement host / guest, you can achieve cache coherency and memory more complete and automated not only between CPU and GPU, but also among specific processors such as SHAPE (for audio) and other auxiliary processor GPU. You can start processing on the CPU, the GPU continue and finish with auxiliary processors without GPU old information are used. This is too good not to compromise on performance, reliability, and development time looking for bugs. Add the fact that the access bandwidth is consistent with 30GB / s instead of 20GB/se have an excellent environment for GPGPU and processing with special processors.

Anyway, just to have something like human, can have benefits that do not have PCs in the use of CPU and GPU on both consoles.

Bus CPU and GPU

The PS4 can use all of its theoretic 176GB / s for the GPU, leaving the CPU in nostalgia, since that is not consistent. Looks great and is the same for a console, but Xbox One can always have data moving without interference from the CPU and GPU + 68 204GB / s. There are those who do not like to add these numbers, but the sum is quite correct when a system has multiple processors that can consume information from several different memory areas. As there are four 64-bit bus with DDR3 and 4 of 256 bits with esram, this movement can always be anticipated and who need high speed data can always be being fed by esram. And this in a transparent manner according to what was presented, without any act of the developer. The data that need more speed (textures, framebuffer) will invariably find in esram when they are accessed.

[marcofdeath]

Part 5
Bus CPU and GPU

The PS4 can use all of its theoretic 176GB / s for the GPU, leaving the CPU in nostalgia, since that is not consistent. Looks great and is the same for a console, but Xbox One can always have data moving without interference from the CPU and GPU + 68 204GB / s. There are those who do not like to add these numbers, but the sum is quite correct when a system has multiple processors that can consume information from several different memory areas. As there are four 64-bit bus with DDR3 and 4 of 256 bits with esram, this movement can always be anticipated and who need high speed data can always be being fed by esram. And this in a transparent manner according to what was presented, without any act of the developer. The data that need more speed (textures, framebuffer) will invariably find in esram when they are accessed.

Another thing that can impair the performance of the PS4, and the latency much larger GDDR5 is that the CPU bus with coherency is only 10Gb / s per direction, at most, it shares some of these 10GB / s to the consistency of GPU also. Xbox One is 30GB / s, but still do not know how right limits, as were not disclosed. You can also share it to the consistency, but DDR3 esram are virtually no latency, decreasing the problem.

Why latency affects more CPU than GPU?

Why the CPU operations typically rely on data in different areas of RAM, evoking the latency to each area change. This made it very difficult to use the Cell SPEs to typical processing CPU in addition to the SPEs do not have hardware to predict which path most likely after a decision. Already the GPU works normally large blocks of data, but contiguous, reducing the latency of each access.

Conclusion - DRAW

The architecture of the PS4 is a much better proposal than the PS3. Shot. Just be more PC, already earn much in ease of development. Likewise, Xbox One is also much better than the Xbox 360 already has an architecture better than the PS3. Customizations Xbox One will enable CPU and GPU are used close to the maximum of their ability, something very difficult. It is typical that the PC CPUs are used between 40 and 60% of maximum capacity. To give you an idea, the brute force of AMDs latest GPUs is greater than the NVIDIA but NVIDIA can more efficiently and better benchmarks in most games. The Xbox One bet much on efficiency as well as the Xbox 360 with the unified shaders and eDRAM.

Both those who buy a Playstation 4 and the buyer will have a One Xbox console with enough processing power to display excellent graphics, sound distinctly better positional and implement physical and artificial intelligence far superior to what we are accustomed to the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. The heel of this generation will not be proportional to the generation Playstation 2 Playstation 3, which added high definition graphics, but new consoles able to surprise and entertain with even more features and fidelity."

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Now lets play some games!!!!!!!

[josephayal]

I'm not buying it

[Onixg5mer]

I doubt even Halo 5 will run 1080p @ 30 fps

[hobbitooo]

even the ps3 UI runs at 1080p, what crap is this haha

[iliimaster]

looks like xbox 720 title was more accurate then we thought

do you think EA and all these developers will abandon them like they did with the WII U because of graphics?

isint nintendo putting out 1080P 60fps? games

[James Vanderbeek]

i guess thats why microsoft named it xbox 1 because it's taking a step back. Just look at killzone compared to dead rising. Both exclusive games and killzone looks miles better at 1080p.

[corroios]

Now is very easy to understand why Microsoft was hiding the real version of the games...

KI, 720
Dead Rising, 720
Forza, just 14 tracks and 200 cars DLC...
Rise, 900, nice graphics, boring and crappy gameplay.

[sackboyhappy]

720p and 30fps?, i was expecting it to say 720p at 60fps or 1080p at 30fps not both...

[jacksjus]

Wow now this is unacceptable. They should have just held it back for a while.

[jacksjus]

I think this game was ported over from the XBox 360. Smh!

[PlanetBathwater]

Dost thou even develop?

[GoodnessGreatness]

Lol, poor developers. If only they didn't take Microsoft's money and made this game multiplatform for PS4 as well, they would have done a better version of the game.

[Condemnedman]

They could always talk about KNACK !

[GamerXGATT]

Yes, because playing a game in high resolution is the only reason I purchase it!!! If that were the case I would never have bought anything on my XBOX 360 or PS3 because my PC will always win over ANY console, ever.

But being as I am a gamer, I play games, you know for FUN. Who cares 1080p 720p whatever, if it's a game I want to play I will play it plain and simple. I don't care if its on PS4, Xbox one, or WII U, I will play it. Dead Rising is a franchise I love ergo wherever it is I will buy and play it. Do I care about the tech behind it? NO! I care about the game.

[jacksjus]

I agree somewhat, but considering you have to shell out another $500 because they are telling you this is next gen then they need to prove it. 1080 vs. 720 is not a huge issue so as long as the framerates are respectable. 30 fps is ridiculous. As far as zombies are concerned who ever said that more was better? Actually the more that you have the weaker the A.I. Wouldn't you agree?

[GamerXGATT]

Dunno, or really care. I don't think when I am playing it OH MY GOD THIS GAME IS ONLY 30 FPS. If I thought that way, a whole lot of console-PC ports I would hate because of this. When I play I am thinking, wow this is fun.

[NewShadow101]

glad someone has the money to play on any console. most people get one choice, we just dont appreciate it when a company asks us to bend over and grab our ankles for them, and pay $500 for the screwing.