PS4 Will Make PS3's 'Good' Online Experience 'Excellent'

Push Square: "Sony’s next generation console may be launching at a much lower price-point than its predecessor, but SCEE president Jim Ryan reckons that it will improve upon virtually every facet of its current flagship format. However, according to the likeable executive, one area that’s been given the greatest overhaul is the system’s online suite."

[pedrof93]

The only real problem with PS3 online is the performance of the PS store, apart from that everything is fine for me.

[ZodTheRipper]

The PS Store is said to run perfectly on PS4 :)
I think they learned a lot from the PS3 and now that online multiplayer is tied to PS Plus they will use some of this income to improve the PSN.
As a free service, the PSN on PS3 was very good but now they definately have to step their game up in some departments.

[AlexanderNevermind]

Personally I would like Dedicated Servers on all multiplayer gmaes and would like them to speed up the downloads on the store.

@GGJ

Maintenance may happen what once every 4-6 months. For maybe 3/4 hrs tops. Honestly I don't think its that bad. Sure it would be nice if the network can stay up during these periods but its understandable if they can't.

[FamilyGuy]

You know, it's kinda strange how they're going about the PS+ for multiplayer thing. Every time I look up they giving away or giving some sample or some discount on the PS+ service. It's like yeah, they make money off PS+ subscriptions, they say it's for the improvement of the online service on PS4 but they also really aren't being greedy about it.

All these deals of buy this game get a discount on PS+, get 3 free months with the purchase of driveclub, get 14 days free when you buy a ps4, buy PS+ and get $10 PSN store credit, buy a year of PS+ now and get 3 extra months free.

Constant deals, I wouldn't be surprised if they outright lowered the price.

[BattleAxe]

@FamilyGuy

PS+ won't always have these great deals. They're doing this to get people signed up, and I'm sure over time they will give less freebies. They're losing tons of potential revenue by giving so many free games away, it just can't keep going forever.

[zeee]

I always thought that the PS Store was abysmal. The most annoying thing happens is when it starts to lag like sh**!!!! I mean, I'd be OK with the Store taking time to load only to be blistering fast after that. I have no idea who programmed it but they did a very bad job.

I love PSN Plus. I got hooked up after I got a free month's trial that came with HEAVY RAIN GOTY edition, I only wish PS Store was half as good.

Ah well, this gen is done and dusted (at least in my case). PS4 comes with motherload of Ram and I bet that UI looks snappy! I am very confident that PS Store on PS4 will be very smooth!

Like I said, I thought the new PS Store was poor but then came Healthcare.org

Need I say more? ...

[Evil_Abed]

You don't mind the down times for maintenance?

[TopDudeMan]

You're gonna get server maintenance downtime regardless of the service you use. The most they can do is just do it at a time that it'll affect the least people- which I personally thought sony were terrible for but they can't please everyone. The world is round, after all.

[Evil_Abed]

Woah people, it was a genuine question. I myself am bothered by it and I'm glad it won't be a problem this gen (I'm hoping).

I just prefer maintenance not = being unable to log in. How often did Xbox Live get routine maintenance? We don't know because they kept that stuff in the background somehow. I want that on both upcoming consoles.

[OrangePowerz]

I'm not too bothered by it because in most cases you can still play online.

When I play Eve I get server maintenance every day for an hour.

[JoGam]

Nope

[nunley33]

On PSN as long as you have logged in within 3 days you'll be able to log in and play online multi during a maintenance. you just can't go into account management, the Playstation Store, or into Playstation Home is all. A lot of my friends don't even notice when it's maintenance since they just keep on playing cod through them like they always do. It's my Home friends that moan the most since they can't using it during it and have to find something else to do.

[The_KELRaTH]

I'd say the only real problem with PS3's online is 99% of games only support p2p.
Battlefield 3 gave PS3 gamers a real taste of a proper online "PC like" experience.

I really hate the endless counting down to find a suitable user's console as a host, then another countdown to configure the host then start game and... ANOTHER countdown!
(Not to mention when the host exits the game or having a real crappy connection too).

I just want to enter a running server and click join game!

I really can't believe Sony has decided to adopt this method all over again.

[OrangePowerz]

It's the Developers adopting this method. They can use dedicated servers for PS4 games if they want to.

[koolaid251]

Dedicated servers cost a lot of money though.

[The_KELRaTH]

So it's down to the developers and it costs too much!

So the PC has dedicated servers and you can even play 14+ yr old games that still have plenty of dedicated servers because there's an unlimited amount of cash for PC's

And the Xbox gets it because.. erm.. the devs only like spending more money on this console platform.

Really????

I feel that some are over valuing the costs of dedicated hosting.

Many host servers were paid for by gamers either via server rental or per seat, some are run by individuals from home/work etc - there was a cut down system with BF3.

I'm not suggesting every game needs it but most fps for instance, it should be the only way.

[fenome]

Gaikai is a server farm, not just the tech to stream games though. I think a lot of people don't really get that. Here's an article about Gaikai and the original founders before Sony bought them out. It's hella funny they actually say Gaikai "isn't trying to be PlayStation 4 or take out the next Wii," lmao

http://www.joystiq.com/2010...

and here's the last paragraph for anyone who doesn't feel like reading it:

"Perry also revealed to us that Gaikai has secured servers at 300 data centers across the US (as opposed to OnLive's five), in addition to inking deals with local broadband providers to install servers at another 900 peering locations -- all with the goal of keeping latency as low as possible. The ideas we saw in action have the potential to shake up the traditional game demo model, for sure. What do you think of what Gaikai's cooking up?"

[abradley]

Sorry, have to heavily disagree. Love PS3 and PS+ but party chat is the major deal breaker for me and my mates compared to Live. It's the one thing that make us prefer live when it comes to multiplayer games.

PS4 and Vita now have that so problem sorted.

[strickers]

You know many games have party options in them. Like Killzone

[abradley]

@Strickers Yeah for the same game, but you can't talk outside of that game without using the chat facility which stops you using any game. A massive draw back, not sure why I got disagrees for stating an obvious flaw in the current PS3 system.

[yeahokchief]

the store was perfect until they pushed the unified version on us which sucks balls. it is laggy and inefficient.

they should have kept the old PS3 store up as is. i would have bought more games on it. it was organized much better with the tiny squares and much easier to find things. not to mention it didn't take forever to load.

everything was stored in alphabetical categories so you could always find what you wanted. now you have to use the search function a lot and even that doesnt always turn up what you are looking for.

[The_KELRaTH]

Agreed, they had it right. It was fast and icons were small so you could view everything quickly.

If there was an option to select the icon size so I could view most of the weekly updates on a single page again it would help.
The direction Sony have gone in makes no sense.

[Prime157]

The store is pretty awesome comparatively to even less than a year ago, I'd say the new portal helped....

@BattleAxe

Business doesn't change like that - PS Plus was founded upon that business model of free games. You're thinking of Microsoft's 2 (cheap) games for 360 plans while somehow supporting cloud gaming and their advertising investors.

[MAULxx]

I liked the old store better.
It was much easier to navigate not mention faster.

[Idba]

Im looking forward to not needing to wait 5 minutes for the PS Store to boot up

[Benjammin25]

I can't believe how slow the store is currently. Even with good internet connection. I'm sure the Xbots will still claim XBLA is better, but PSN on PS4 should be incredible.

[Idba]

Yea. And in one of the ps4 trailers they showed someone double-clicking the home button and he went instantly (!!!) to PS Store, then he double clicked again and went instantly (!!!) back to his game

[badkolo]

xbla is better and everyone knows it, miles better but the ps4 psn should be vastly improved upon and i cant wait to try it out. i think they learned from the ps3 psn and made massive changes for the better

[MysticStrummer]

@kolo

"xbla is better and everyone knows it"

Every gamer I know in real life disagrees. The only place I see or hear anyone backing up your claim is on the internet.

[GTgamer]

I own both Consoles and telling u rite now PSN vs Xbla is straight nonsense especially when people say xbla is way better let me guess because you pay for it ? Look the only difference is that PSN sometimes can become unstable but its free so you really cant complain and no one i know with a ps3 got their info stolen but now that we have to pay i guarantee you that Sony will improve it and i Know that PS store will be faster because right now its awhile to boot up and with power of PS4 we should expect good performance.

[strickers]

The store is shite

[nunley33]

what kinda of crap internet do you have where it takes that long. mine is pretty good and not the fastest for sure but it takes only like 5-8 seconds for it to boot for me. When it did have problems a few times i exited and re-entered and it fixed that. also when the new store was newer it was slower and i had to delete it and re-download it to fix it. But it's gotten a lot better since it's launch and a lot faster and more responsive. The old store was faster cause it was part of the system and not an app, it's better overall except for the search.

[reko]

@badkolo

but youre not getting a ps4 tho? troll again.

[TheFallenAngel]

If they are forcing me to pay for online I expect better online. The online now on ps3 is great.

[bornsinner]

since when did the ps3 have a good online experience? it tried to rob my credit card, and had an outage every month.. for one month i could even play online!!!

[DeadRabbits]

I wonder if it was the same PS3 that broke into my home and nicked my car keys and crapped in my shoes!

[Benjammin25]

Did you have to pay for that month you couldn't play online?...No? Then quit complaining. It was a mistake on Sony's part and one you can be certain they won't be making again. Everyone makes mistakes. What about RROD?

[Evil_Abed]

Didn't happen to everyone and those that were affected got a replacement console for free.
Not defending his rant, I'm just not sure how bringing up RROD made his PSN experience a "good one" for him...

[stavrami]

@ggj so these effected by RROD got new consoles so you say that's ok …so people effected by psn going down and getting a replacement month is ok as well then ??no ??

[Evil_Abed]

I'm saying RROD doesn't make PSN a good experience for him.

[Rainstorm81]

Outage every month??....I think you need to have Snickers, you get overdramatic when your hungry

[TheFallenAngel]

You never even had a ps3, xbot. I had my credit card in my ps3 when the PSN was hacked and I never had money taken out or anything. Even if they tried they would only have gotten 10-15 dollars anyways.

[MysticStrummer]

"it tried to rob my credit card, and had an outage every month.. for one month i could even play online!!!"

My BS detector just exploded.

Every gamer I know in real life had a 360 and played on XBL at some point. Now none of them game on 360 and none thought XBL was superior to PSN. Maybe you game on PC…? No one I know games on PC, so that I won't argue with since I have no info on it, but no one on PSN had their credit card or bank account information stolen and there is no "outage" every month.

[MysticStrummer]

I read the news every day. I never said that PSN wasn't down for a month at that time. I disputed that it was down because of an outage EVERY month. Information was potentially compromised, but there was no identity theft. PS being behind in the US has more to do with 360's year head start and people's tendency to buy the same console their friends buy than it does PSN. RRoD has at least a little something to do with that too. I live in the US, and everyone I know bought a 360. They all ended up buying multiple 360s because of RRoD. Now none of those people game on 360 and none of them thought XBL was anything special. They all wish they'd just waited for PS3 like I did, and none of them want an XB1. I've told that little story many times and always get called a liar, but it's a true story.

Saying PS is behind in the US because of XBL being clearly superior is like saying MS single handedly knocked Sony out of first place in the market. A lot of people on here say both things, but both are BS.

[OrangePowerz]

Hackers tried to steal credit card information.

Also XBL went down for several weeks a few times during Christmas and that's a paid service and you got compensated with free crapy XBLA games for the trouble.

[OrangePowerz]

No that`s not what I meant. What I meant was that http://www.engadget.com/200...

[koolaid251]

My live hasn't ever been down except for maybe a few hours out of the 9 years I've had xbox live.

[strickers]

It was down for many for 2 weeks. I think it was Halo 3 launch. That's why free games were offered.

[nunley33]

since around before 2009 and played hundreds of hours into uncharted 2 online multi, it's very good. now your referring to messaging and party chat while playing im assuming since your an xbox troll. psn had one outage so your just hopelessly desperate there. If you look it up xbox and xbox.com has been hacked and had MORE outages, these things happen. MS is a huge hacker target because they're big and cause of windows and how easy 360 was to hack. and live accounts have been hacked relentlessly and live has been hacked also. but MS does a good job but it's gonna happen to everybody. when Nintendo finally gets an online system going that compares to psn or xbl it'll be hacked too at some point.

[Rageanitus]

I hate the current version the PS Store. Too slow!

Xbox is good where it is quite seemless when watching video snipits though, but one thing I hated was the advertisement (even when your paying for live)

[True_Samurai]

Talking about that tiny box that's in the right corner that's barely noticeable?

[Hicken]

Talking about that box that shouldn't be there, PERIOD.

[mkis007]

Ads on xbox interface make as much sense to me ad ads on hulu plus.

[tdogchristy90]

As someone who mainly games on 360 this gen (I do own a ps3) and just how nice XBL was for me I am definitely looking forward to see what ps4 (my new main) can do now that it is on par with XBL in terms of having a subscription. There's no denying the revenue helps so I'm excited to see what Sony does with it.

[TechMech2]

Good

[XxGOWxX]

Im confused. why cant they just put a version of the store software from the ps4 on the ps3 and make it work just as well?

[Eck0]

the ps3 RAM..

[Nocando]

Ugh, doubt it. Sony lost my trust forever due to PSN unreliability and frequent updates that took forever. Face it, this is one thing Sony just isn't good at.

[InTheZoneAC]

troll much?

psn unreliability? how so? live probably has more down time than psn, excluding the time when the network was hacked by people that should be in prison for life.

and updates that take forever? it takes me 5-10 minutes to download and install firmware updates, that's not forever. Go take a shower or get something ready to eat and it's done.

[Majin-vegeta]

He's a troll man.Usually the people who b*tched about the 1 hour downtime.Either have no job or no responsibilities.

[Nocando]

@Majin

I work about 50 hours per week Majin, and sorry but PSN is vastly inferior to Live. Fact.

[hazardman]

I got no real issues with any of the service, but for you to say xbl has had more downtime than PSN is wrong!

[Campy da Camper]

Ugh, MS lost my trust forever when my 1st 360 rrod on me after 2 weeks. The 7 weeks I had to wait for my replacement were an eternity. Then when that system rrod after 2 months I was back to square one. Then when I was treated like a criminal when I called to cancel LIVE and have my credit card removed from the system was a horrible experience as well.

When I gave them another chance after a couple years and bought a slim only to find they decided to stop making good 1st party games was another huge let down.

MS: lost my trust forever.

[InTheZoneAC]

I worked at gamestop for almost 2 years, when 360 came out I had one returned every single day

[Cueil]

the real question I want asked is if I'll be able to download games faster then 500k/s

[bornsinner]

probably not since the playstation network only has 3 servers hosted in Vietnamese massage parlors... probably how our are credit card details were compromised.

[InTheZoneAC]

excluding the laggy ps store, PSN is already great, better than live and a much better value. And there's no comparison once you factor in PS+

[davidDIRK]

No more trophy sync damn it. If they lose that arduous process I am a happy man. Allow me to change my gamer tag. Chat channels. And platinum & trophy amount next to or under gamer tag like on Xbox live. Coming along though.

[InTheZoneAC]

let me delete trophies from games that I refuse to ever play again that say whatever low %

[buynit]

Great!

[Sevir]

PSN will be incredible, Seeing the Live demonstration of Multiplayer at Gamescon with Shu was just fantastic,

He simply went to Live with PS browsed a social feed watched for a second then joined in the fun straight from that menu... no match making no nothing... it was seamless 10 seconds to join the game from PS Dynamic Menu!

With all the improvements to the server side engineering all made possible thanks to purchasing Gaikai, I'm fine with $50 a year going to PSN and PS+

The PS4 is simply a well thought out product and innovative in its features, and I think this time around, Sony will Deliver on 90% of the promises that they made.

They were new comers into the online connection world of gaming, where MS started with the original XBOX system wide where as it was a Game by Game Basis for Sony with the PS2 and it you needed the broadband adapter.

I remember the PSN being web based on PS3 at launch with paltry offerings where it was only Sony's IPs that were posted to the PSN, it took months before 3rd parties even placed content up on the network. Back then Xbox Lives Clear advantage was seen... That's not the case anymore.

Moving forward to the PS4, everything is just soo much more connected! If you bought a PS3 in 2006 or early 2007, you know what I'm talking about! Those who just purchased a PS3 are totally oblivious to the MAJOR overhauls the PSN has gotten over these 7 years. Its good to see Sony's Growth from its humbling and rocky start with the 7th gen console cycle...

I purchased my PS3 on March 23rd 2007 in the US, the same Day it launched in the EU/UK... fast forward 6/7 years later and I'm kicking this 8th generation off with Sony from the start in the US!

BRING IT! I'm ready!!!

[Bigc32]

I don't see the online any good at all. I can't tell if I was playing humans or bots. They lack a lot online n not enough multi player games. If u sit here try tell me its gods then ps got u by balls lol i have ps3 n I wonder y it was free its horrible n now they charge . Seems like me there pulling ms n now we have connect online get Blu ray or send cd what bunch crap.

[dragon82]

None of that made any sense at all.

If you can't tell if you are playing humans or bots then that is your problem and not a problem with PSN. I have played plenty of online on both consoles and PSN and LIVE are exactly the same with the exception of the 360's unified party/chat system. As far as the ACTUAL GAMEPLAY goes, they are identical.

[cyclindk]

PS4's good online experience will make PS5's, Nardly, Righteous and Bodacious

[evilhasitsway]

the only thing wrong with ps3 is the ps store and that's because they updated it to get us use to what we will see on ps4 and the ps3 has issues running it due to the xbm dashboard.

[xc7x]

they still need a free service for peeps like me that just want basic features,without free games.