PS4 vs Xbox One graphics: what are the differences and do they matter?

TechRadar:"On balance, Xbox One games won't look quite as good as PS4 games. However the difference is not going to be complete earth shattering. It will be relatively subtle. The PS4 will look that little bit sharper.
In that sense, you probably know who you are already. If you're a sucker for super-detailed graphics, there can be only one choice. PS4. For everyone else, it's a more marginal decision. But make no mistake. Whatever advatnage PS4 has at launch, it will largely maintain for the life of both consoles."

[ZBlacktt]

Asking people to pay $100 more and be sub-par in power and graphics from the start is not a good way to start I'd say. The X1 should have already been dropped to $399. Just to be fair and the same cost as the PS4.

[Angels3785]

Its funny how the article starts off immediately putting the xbox one at a disadvantage....not even on a level playing field..

"So how much better will ps4 games look?"

Everyone knows by now its the weaker system.

[ZBlacktt]

I would just like to know why MS thinks the $500 X1 price tag is justified.

[darthv72]

There will always be the comparisons of platforms when it comes to similar games or the same game. I didnt buy the Ps2 and the xbox and the gamecube because of the similarities of the games compared. i bought them because of the differences.

I have been gaming for years and I still buy the consoles because of their differences. Many can be satisfied with buying one but to me i would rather play the field and experience the games that set each platform apart from the next.

there will be games and experiences that you just cant play any other way. It isnt about the graphics for me....its about the fun and all gaming platforms since the 2600 have strived to provide that key element and i have yet to be disappointed.

[Angels3785]

Because it a good mark up fpr its shareholders

[mcstorm]

darthv72 your spot on. We always have a console that has more power than another and one that is the weakest of them all but this has never been my reason for buying any console its all been about games for me.

I picked an Xbox up for jsrf and halo, a ps2 for mgs2 and a gamecube up for Mario kart.

At this moment in time I own a wiiu and have numerous games on pre order as well as already have pikmin 3 sonic lost worlds, matiou, windwaker and a few more.

Where it has come to pre Ordering a ps4 or Xbox one I went for the Xbox one over the ps4 as I want Forza 5 and ki over any other games on the ps4 and one. For me its that simple and for people who go on about a game looking better on one console or another you really will not notice the difference unless you play them side by side and for me games like bf3, cod etc are not games getting me excited about the one or ps4 and not the reason I'm moving into the next gen?

[ZBlacktt]

Darth, that's because we come long before the Internet age. We all bought different consoles on purpose when we were young. So that we could go over to friends houses and play something new/different. That's how we ended up wit the Intellivision. While my friends had the 2600 and Colecovision. I talk a lot of Sony on here. But I have like 14 consoles which include all the current ones. I've just been on the Sony console since the very start so I lean that way 9 times out of 10.

@ AngelicIceDiamond below, no one is saying either is right or wrong. Try not to take the sides approach and more like what's fair to the gamers. Back in 2006 who had blu-ray drives? A cell processor chip in a console? Sony took a huge chance to bring something brand new to the market. They took a huge loss on every single console they sold for the first what 2, 3 years and then some. But look how it paid off. The Blu-ray wins the format war. All the PS3 games come on one disc even GOTY editions. Games like MGS4 are born and with the Cell chip. The console goes on to preform remarkable tasks out in the real world not game related. Here, take a look at just some of the accomplishments you might not be aware of that the PS3 as done.

http://phys.org/news1491925...

http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog...

http://blog.us.playstation....

http://www.computerworld.co...

http://www.japanator.com/ci...

http://www.unh.edu/news/cj_...

http://www.sonyinsider.com/...

http://www.aboutai.com/2008...

http://www.geeks3d.com/2009...

http://www.win.tue.nl/~bdew...

http://s29.photobucket.com/...

http://s29.photobucket.com/...

http://i29.photobucket.com/...

http://farm5.staticflickr.c...

Again, Sony gave us something the world was not ready for. But look at the power levels it could perform. This is not the case with the X1. It cost more, yet is less powerful and cost more.

[Playstationologist]

What's funny is that every single disadvantage and negative about xbone was purposefully designed or caused by Microsoft.

[Destrania]

Yes, Wii and WiiU have always been much weaker hardware in comparison, but they also cost a lot less and pretty much target a completely different audience. More hardcore gamers I think care more about power/technically advanced hardware while also caring about having incredible games. That's something I love about Sony is they push in all directions. Unmatched visuals/cinematic quality in their titles as well as fantastic story, gameplay, A.I., etc. I've had more fun playing on my Playstations over the years than any other platform by a long shot. Imo, Sony has the most unique, varied, and exciting games library as well.

[kickerz]

It's been a bad week for Microsoft. I'm yet to read one positive article (-_-)

[P0werVR]

@ZBlacktt

Sub par in your view. IMO I believe the price is justified for what it offers. So it's more of a personal opinion and not a stated fact.

If your not buying it, you shouldn't be worried. I don't believe it was justifiable when the PS3 came out around $600.

[Gorilla_Killa_X]

Just replying so I can come back and check out all those ps3 accomplishments 1.1.5 at a later date.

[Insomnia_84]

It mattered to all Xbox followers when it came to multiplatform games on 360/PS3.

Why wouldn't it matter now????

[Death]

It mattered to all Xbox followers?

First off, the Xbox 360 wasn't in "TrueHD" like the super computer PS3. If games were better on the Xbox 360, what does that say for the console that was supposed to crush it on release? You didn't see the Xbox fans bragging about the 360, it was always the other way around. Fast forward to today. PS fans still beating the drum. Where are the Xbox fans that call PS4 fans stupid for buying another Playstation? Hard to find, aren't they? It is always the Playstation with it's incredibly over promised power that takes the charge.

The Cell combined with Blu-ray was going to make the PS3 "TrueHD" 1080p before it released. Didn't happen. Now it is the PS4's turn at over promising and under-delivering. All PS4 games are 1080p natively and Xbox One are all 720p, right? Neither console has launched yet and the "war" is already over.

People are quick to excuse the PS4 launch games that are "subHD" since it's a new system and will get better with time. Somehow the same rule doesn't apply on the XboxOne with it's more complex architecture. History shows otherwise. The PS3 got better with age since it took longer to figure out. The PS4 will max out faster than the XboxOne. Who is really fooling themselves into thinking the easier to develop for console will get better longer?

What happened to the marathon? Suddenly when the Playstation sprints faster the race is over?

[mewhy32]

Very well written article. Pointed out what ive been saying for weeks and weeks.

[AndrewLB]

Zblacktt- Go check out finance.yahoo.com and search for symbol SND. Sony today just got smacked with not only a $2 billion loss in corporate value due to being below earnings estimates and to slap them down even more, they were downgraded.

Considering those facts, I really don't see why people make the illogical assumption that SONY is doing things right, thus everyone else is doing it wrong.

If that were the case, Sony wouldn't be in the bad financial shape they're in.

[Kaneda]

@ZBlacktt

I am still waiting for 128fps and 4D games... like the told everyone when they announced PS3.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

You are implying, and got credit for?, saying the PS4 is weaker?

Links or just fanboy logic?

No biggie to me, I hate all corporations.

[AsimLeonheart]

@AndrewLB

No company can do every thing right. Just like MS failed with Bing, ultrabooks, original Xbox and Zune; Nintendo failed with Virtualboy, and maybe the Wii U; Nokia failed with N-gage. Innovation and technological advancements has its risks. The difference is that MS always has MsOffice and Windows to fall back to whenever it fails in a new venture. Sony does not have that kind of monopolistic control over market so it has to take the hit for the costly and failed ventures. Sony also had many successful ventures like Sony Walkman, Trinitron, Playstation consoles, Bravia TVs and many blockbuster movies. The current financial loss is because of the failing electronics division and not gaming. It is all part of business. You win some, you lose some.

[FamilyGuy]

The biggest issue is the power it's the price. Paying more for less doesn't sit well with people and that's just all there is to it.
MS refuses to sell an X1 without Kinect so that's a hurdle they placed themselves that's getting in the way.

Despite the past indiscretions the X1 would have many fans still in their corner if they weren't forcing kinect down their throats. A kinect-less X1 at a price of $350-$400 would be appealing to many 360 owners.

[Boody-Bandit]

The graphical differences is just sprinkles on the ice cream.

Initial ludicrous restrictions with the XBOX ONE put me in the no category right out of the gate. Than we find out it's less powerful than the PS4, won't be compatible with existing 360 peripherals (requiring added cost for headphones, FFB wheels, Fight Sticks, etc) and on top of that it is going to cost $100 more. That was the deal breaker for me.

This is the 1st generation I am passing on 2 out of 3 at launch. The only console I am picking up (for now) is the PS4. I doubt I will ever own a Wii U because I have simply out grew Nintendo. Their franchise titles are great but stagnant for me.

I am taken a wait and see approach with the XBOX ONE and right now it's not looking good that I will ever get on board. They are money whores. There is no other way to put it. They want paid for everything that runs on their hardware, nearly every service they provide on their hardware and nearly every thing you plug into their hardware with it being totally reliant on proprietary (certifications and license fees).

With the PS4 most usb FFB wheels (Logitech G25, G27, Thrustmaster T500, etc) will work on their hardware. Now list are being compiled of various PC gaming headphones will work on the PS4 and they will expand that list with updates. It appears that the PS4 will be even more compatible with USB and Blutooth tech. Sony isn't trying to milk me for every last cent.

You up and left us with the XBOX. The 360 had the worst hardware failure rate in gaming history. Than you turned your back on your consumer base to chase after the casuals with Kinect. Now this is the direction you're choosing with the XBOX ONE? I don't think so.

Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me. I wont be burned again. CIAO MS it's been..... well, nothing but a headache and a huge waste of money.

[Zancruz]

Agreed... Once Microsoft 180ed Kinect always had to be connected to the X1, Microsoft should've removed it from the box or sucked up the $100 loss and made the X1 $399 too.

[P0werVR]

Than that would be a terrible business decision. The Kinect is far superior in what is offered compared to PS4's camera. So I would understand why Sony would shelve it to make PS4 cheaper. Kinect is an integral part of the system, not just for gaming but for ease of use. A lot of thought went into it and when prove it's worth once people start using it.

[Zancruz]

@P0werVR The terrible busniness decision is taking away your consumers choice... Main reason why Microsoft 180ed the always connected kinect, People wanted the choice to use Kinect or Not! What about the people who wants an X1 but don't care for the Kinect? They gotta pay an extra $100 for some "superior" add on they don't want and especially when all of those Snap/Multitasking features could possibly be still used with just a Controller.

As far as the "Superior" Camera, Less just wait till both systems comes out that way we fully know the capabilities of both (Seeing that noone truly knows). Plus we gonna get some good comparison videos to see which one is Superior or not, Which one is useful, Which one actually works, Which one is a waste of time and money or Find out just how similar both cameras are...

With that all said, I wonder IF Microsoft made two different X1 Sku's one with the camera and one without for $400... I wonder which one with sale better? From my knowledge the Sony camera still selling well as and add on accessory.

[P0werVR]

No consumer choice is taken away. That's terrible point you've just made. It's simple, your choice comes in whether you want to buy it or not. Right?!

So nothing taken away from the consumer. It's their job to inform us in why it's worth it's value they offer. Nothing more or less. You're over complicating it and shows your true intentions.

So you don't know whether or not what a consumer wants until the product is ACTUALLY released. You can't speak for the product/service now, it's ridiculous.

I hope they don't come out with different SKUs without the Kinect and doubt they will. It's bad business choice. Kincect will do just fine and will be proven. I bet my money on Xbox One and why I'm buying it at launch. I've done enough DD to say it's a better console overall than PS4.

[Insomnia_84]

@P0werVR

It has absolutely nothing to do with being an "integral part of the system" or "ease of use"(stop repeating their exact marketing words and think for yourself) it always been about SELLING YOUR INFORMATION!!

http://www.vg247.com/2013/1...

[Twilightx7]

@Insomnia_84 You must be delusional if you don't think that Sony will be selling your information too, one way or another. Any major company is gathering metrics on what players are playing what games, they'd be foolish not to - how do you think everything Sony markets has been so perfectly targeted lately? Stop painting one corporation like a bad guy, they're both guilty.

[Zancruz]

@P0werVR You are blind my friend... Sad really. You're so far gone man, You're in denial that millions of people cryed out an had Microsoft change the direction they was going with the X1. Do you think one or two complaints can get Microsoft or any company to change? People want the X1 but theres enough people that didn't like what Microsoft was doing with their product, I doubt it was Sony fanboys complained to Microsoft about what they was doing to the X1, So if not them who was it then? Microsoft consumers!

My intentions are obvious by stating the obvious, People/Consumers wants the option, Choice is freedom.... I'm glad you like the X1, Don't understand why you felt the need to tell how you feel about the consoles, Because It doesn't matter to me either way. A person should buy what appeals to them and that's the beautiful freedom of choice. But I stand by my statement, It's bad business to force something upon your consumers... But know this will still go over your head, So dislike what I've said. Lol

And don't try and take some bullcrap high road, You're not replying because you don't have any more bubbles like myself...lmao

[Death]

Microsoft surely changed their plans when they seen the stupidity snowball affecting pre-orders. People still think Kinect is all about stealing information to sell. Kinect is part of Microsofts vision of the console. Just like mandatory broadband and HDD were with the first Xbox. People still threw tantrums because they wanted to hold gaming back with memory cards and dial up for gaming. Playstation fans are still worried a couple weeks before launch that Kinect might actually bring something new to gaming so they want the chances eliminated by saying it should be an option. The PSEye and Move are an option. They are also unsupported and a complete failure for Sony. I really don't see how that is a business model to follow.

[AndrewLB]

Twilightx7- I hate to break it to you but Sony specifically states in it's privacy agreements that they have the right to provide customer information to subsidiaries and third party partners. And it's a fact that those third party companies PAY for this information. Welcome to reality.

Come to think of it... I recall a few years back how Sony and their lackluster security left their systems wide open to be hacked, compromising tens of thousands of customers names, addresses, credit card info, and more.

yea... i'm sure they lose sleep at night worrying about your privacy. lol

[GuruMeditation]

@P0werVR hmmm, let me try to articulate this...: MORE CHOICE GOOD, LESS CHOICE BAD. Ease of use with Kinect? I call bull. The console functions without it, it should come without it. Not every bike comes with stabilisers, not every rubics cube comes with adult nappies in case you forget to poop. I don't need MS to tell me what to buy and neither should you.

[mrnice]

true mate hold of for a bit price will comedown on xbox one.ps4 on other hand will hold its price i am getting both played them both but getting ps4 first as killzone brill ghost good and bf4 looks good.that will do me till titanfal.

[Rhythmattic]

To the Kinnect bundled / ps4 camera question.
A guy on the Red Tech YouTube channel makes what could possibly be a very valid point.

He says Sony dropped the camera from its original sku , to use the cost to up the ram from 4G GDDR5. To 8G GDDR5.

Not saying its true, but it's a definite possibility.

[GTgamer]

How many articles are we gonna see like this i mean seriously.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Black Oh you mean just like how PS3 was 600$ with little compelling titles and a glorified Blue Ray player?

But wait a minute The PS3 got better didn't it? More Appealing games, dropped in price, and Blue Ray player that payed off at the end and PSN+ is genius. And is currently selling extremely well.

Don't play that hypocrisy game. I hate that game its stupid.

[Utalkin2me]

@AngelicIceDiamond

Actually Black is right.

Well the PS3 offered alot more then the 360 when the PS3 launched, to somewhat justify that price. Like, bluray, bigger HDD, wireless, rechargeable controllers, HDMI, free multiplayer.

[jmc8888]

Except since when is Kinect an integral part of the game that actually make it easier for developers and gamers for actual gaming?

Blu-ray is necessary for every game, was always going to get to that point. Not having to use multiple discs is good for developer and user.

On top of that...it played movies at the best fidelity level and a true jump.

Just the standalone player was $849-999, and they couldn't update the firmware via the internet.

Kinect is NOTHING like this. Not even 1/1000th the usefulness.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Talkin Right, but one can argue that X1 offers more just like the PS3.

-Snap
-Smartmatch:
-Cloud power: 300k servers, Dedicated servers in all X1 games unlimited cloud storage
-Video Party chats
-Re-worked and Dynamic Achievement system
-Kinect Integration
-Improved reputation system

And who knows what MS will add later. So imo, Black doesn't have a clue what hes talking about.

[WeedyOne]

@ AngelicIceDiamond

All those things you just listed are software features not hardware. The PS3 included hardware that justified its price. Software can always be patched in for free, hardware cant!

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Weedy I understand.

But are you suggesting the PS4 could patch all this in the PS4 in the future? Sony hasn't hinted a t it. But hey maybe they can. I know they can implement cloud in the future.

But as a starting factor, MS console can do a little more then PS4 software wise.

You can't argue with that.

[Zancruz]

@AngelicIceDiamond, Honestly it's you're the one that don't know what you're talking about...

Hardware and Software is too different things, IF the Kinect wasn't in the box X1 should be $399 or less... PS3 had more builded into it justifying it's $600 price tag, Remember in 06 Bluray players cost over $1000 and all they did was play movies, So PS3 was a deal just because of that.

And the X1 software features that you listed is paid by that $60 Live account, which IF it's not paid a person can't use... SO trying justify a higher price tag with software is mute, especially when you gotta pay just to use the software which could be added to the PS4 at anytime IF Sony sees a use for it.

Edit: I forgot X1 does have a HDMI input jack hardware wise... Still doesn't justify the price.

[tagan8tr]

Utalikin is right everyone forgets that 360 launced with no hdmi,no wireless and had no blu ray but alot of them did come with RROD

[ShowGun901]

alright lets look at the similarities. both the xbone and ps3 were/are more expensive. but the difference is why, blu-ray vs kinect 2.0.

blu-ray was marketed as the future for high def video, and for the most part thats panned out. dvds are on their way out (slowly lol) and if you want a disc based 1080 video format, blu-ray is the only choice. ps2 supported dvd, and was the first dvd player most people had... now here comes sony with a new format, and people had a reason (based on past experience) to believe that blu-ray would be a big deal.

the xbones high price comes from kinect 2.0, and regardless of how they say it will revolutionize how you interact with your xbox, you have to look at the past... with the 360, ms said that the original kinect would change your gaming experience forever. remember the milo demo? i sooo wanted to draw a picture and pass it to a virtual buddie, the tech looked amazing. but that was it, it only LOOKED amazing, and within a month all it had were terrible party games and shovelware...

who wants to get burned again with kinect 2.0? IMO it will turn into another device that will simply be used to run the dashboard, and little else... thats the fate of the original kinect, and it had a much bigger install base than the xbone will have... how much do you think 3rd party devs will devote to kinect when the competition dosen't have it? its the same with ds4s trackpad, but thats a little less time consuming to program for, but we'll see LOL

[Freedomland]

You all forgetting Emotion Engine, it's like ps2 inside the ps3.

[KiLLUMiNATi_89]

Since when power became the most essential part of gaming ? Is power the only thing you girls brag about ? What's the ps4 potential, to me ps4 is a beefed up Xbox360/ps3 with nothing revolutionary... If we talking facts here doesn't the Xbox 1 clearly has more potential then Sony ps4 ?

If you brag about raw power simply buy a PC and look the wii won las gen despite being by far less powerful then both ps3/x360... If you ask me outside N4Sony, the x1 will be more appealing to consumers within time and that's what counts cause MS is coming for both Sony/Nintendo market....

[Imalwaysright]

The most appealing thing to consumers is the price of the console.

[clonerz]

Last gen isn't over and um... I'm pretty sure when the dust settles Sony will have sold more ps3 than Nintendo wii consoles worldwide. Another thing stop grasping at straws with your Xbox is gonna own all opinions yep that is your opinion and we live in a free country I have something to say about that though Sony ps4 is 100 dollars cheaper and universal accepted as more powerful console and my head is not in the cloud like some here. Let me end with the ps4 is 100 dollars cheaper than the other console being released this holiday. Whooohooo go Sony Lmaoo see I can fanboy rant with facts and an opinion to boot but it still doesn't change the fact that ps4 is 100 dollars cheaper. Ima stop Ima stop cuz I've got 100 reason to stop how bout you?

[jamsam360]

The Xbox One Is not weaker! The drivers for the esram Only recently came out and the games will get better from here on out! Then we will see if you people will shut the hell up! Probably not though! Grow up, play game,Have fun!

[MRMagoo123]

the drivers for the Esram huh lol

[tagan8tr]

I'm no expert by far but I deff would like to know (no hate intended) how a smidg 32mb esram will overpower things.

a real knowledge based answer in technical terms plz.

[mixelon]

The specs say its significantly weaker.

I don't understand how people are still holding onto the notion that the X1 can somehow achieve parity with competing hardware that objectively IS much more powerful. There is nothing outside of the specs. This isn't magic we're talking about. Sony's drivers will get better too!

What you guys are doing is no different to WiiU users saying that somehow the power will be unlocked and they'll be as powerful as the ps4, or the PC, or a supercomputing cluster. (Less extreme, but the same thing)

Power = the specs.

[GuyThatPlaysGames]

Graphics never come first in my book. Some of the greatest games were NEVER graphical powerhouses! If the game plays great and is fun, then the extra addition of better visuals will start to weigh in.

[TheXgamerLive]

Fanboyism aside. PS4 has higher resolutions for now and Xbox One has better graphics. BF4 was an early que to that. Anyone could see Xbox One looked a hell of a lot better even upscaled 1080p.why?

[Transporter47]

Lol, what are you talking about? The ps4 has a better gpu fact. Also higher resolution also means less jaggies which equals to better graphics, btw ms has been using pc videos to advertise BF4 for the Xbone

[ALLWRONG]

"Asking people to pay $100 more and be sub-par in power and graphics" and the PS4 has yet to prove anything. Wake me when the PS4 has any game that looks as good as Ryse or Forza.

[Deeviiant]

Infamous Second Son.

[TENTONGUN]

we will wake you in a lil while ok. i got one for yall....the ds4 has extra buttons cause of the touchpad. boooooyaaawwww!!! whatever man

[SniperControl]

Driveclub, Killzone.

[mkis007]

Killzone and infamous look the best to me. I never understood why people think racing simulators are a good judge of power/graphics capabilities. Unless the world is collapsing as you drive (:)), nothing in a racing simulator game is worth comparing. Simulators (sports, track racing) are just eye candy devices, It doesn't take much to do it.

Ryse looks good, but people are trying to compare games with different art styles.

I think the animations on Ryse have so far been atrocious. The skin looks great. I much prefer the look of Killzone SF as a whole. Everything is crisp and, for the most part, fluid.

Infamous SS for me is when things get real. Nothing looks as beautiful as that. Take a look at this E3 gameplay video ( to my knowledge it is the only gameplay footage we have) This footage was compiled sometime during E3 and the demo must have been off a moths old build. If this game looked this good in April-June and ran this well, imagine the beauty when we see the final product nearly a year later!!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

To me the $100 is just lucky for me. I would pay it if it was $500 for ps4. I know Sony will release games by developers I trust. When MS starts doing it for the first time I will pick up an xbox1.

You were awake this whole time.

[Rageanitus]

reality is most ppl do not look at POWER when it comes to consoles.
Just look at the ps2 vs xbox and gamecube
PSP vs DS

[AndrewLB]

Hilarious how the OP claims the Xbox images wont be as sharp. It was just yesterday where I looked at a bunch of Battlefield 4 screenshots and video and the PS4 was BY FAR the most blurry. It's like they went ballistic using FXAA, depth-of-field, and motion blur. Pretty much just a big blurry mess.

And Xbone is the opposite extreme, leaving jaggies everywhere.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Smh! Like...I'm getting a xbox, but why.....can somebody tell me why?

[Philoctetes]

Yeah, but in fairness, that extra $100 gives Xbox One owners access to a huge library of Kinect titles. If you're into fitness games, on-rails games that require flailing your arms around to win, and pet simulators, the Xbox One is pretty clearly the better choice.

PS4 owners will just have to content themselves with superior versions of multiplats and a boatload of first party AAA exclusives.

[b00mFargl3]

enjoy knack.

[b00mFargl3]

I know this seems silly, but DLNA is worth the extra money on top of the other things like kinect. Which yes I may not use all the time, but it is a pretty sweet bonus. The ps4 is amazing and a sheer beast but the HDMI in,DLNA alone justify my extra $100. Not to mention the console itself and all its components are pretty sweet.

I think the PS4 as far as sheer strength goes gives it the advantage in some areas. This doesn't mean the xbox is a turd.

[H0RSE]

@ZBlacktt

Your rants about the X1 costing "more for less" are completely misleading and inaccurate, for the simple fact that the increased price has to do with the things like the Kinect and the HDMI-in port, features that have nothing to do with increased, graphics/processing power, and never has MS ever advertised the increased price for X1 was due to a claim to being more powerful than the competition.

You are not getting "less for more" you are getting "more for more" because you are physically getting more. This isn't even an instance of putting spin on the subject - it's just how it is, just like how PS4 bundles cost more than a standard PS4.

The increased cost has nothing to do with increased power, or even claims of having increased power.

[3-4-5]

At the end of the day......we are getting more power adn better graphics along with the potential for 8 years worth of awesome games, regardless of which console you choose.

I chose not to go with a Playstation every time...couldn't stand the Dual shock controller.

I've payed the price by missing out on well over 100 really good RPG's. I understand that now and now that I'm into them more, I will be going with PS4.

They seemed to have fixed the DS4 enough for it to be usable in FPS and not just useable but actually be one of the best controllers of all time.

[BadlyPackedKeebab]

Like the commend on the artical where someone still believes the cloud is going to make a massive difference. Without forcing everyone to be online now the cloud can only be used for online games. And in those instances can only be used for offloading things like AI calculations which could be interesting I agree but the graphical power difference will never be bridged by the cloud. If we are seeing the resolution differences we are seeing now due to the internal memory bandwidth differences when talking about speeds between 1 and 2 hunderd gigs per second how on earth can the cloud be used over an internet connection thats a couple of megs?

Ive said it again and again but here goes...

The cloud can only be used for non-immediate CPU tasks. Examples would be AI dessision making (i.e. where should I run to cover). But then you have to consider what if there are network issues, the game and the experience will go to the pan. Devs might test this but will ultimatly realise the only practical use is for server side world events in multiplayer games. A good example would be something like the enemy AI in an online based co-op game (thinks destiny).

Really the cloud is just a more reliable and more scalable version of existing servers. In 2013 I would expect any online server to be based on a virtual scalable platform anyway! Buzz and marketing.

[aceitman]

so what looks better an upscalled dvd or a Blu-ray disc. answer Blu-ray it looks sharper clearer better period.

[BadlyPackedKeebab]

I was talking about how the cloud cant help a poor graphics setup but... right on brother. Absolutely.

[DeadRabbits]

May as well ask what is the difference between a Bugatti and a Prius!

[GarrusVakarian]

Gas ;)

[Godhimself_In_3d]

lmaooooooooo

[Gamer-40]

However the difference is not going to be complete earth shattering. It will be relatively subtle.

PS4 will look that little bit sharper.

-LITTLE BIT-

Bugatti and Prius NOT LITTLE BIT difference. Boring fanboy...

[DeadRabbits]

I would argue a Prius is FAR more economical than a Buggati although the Buggati will always outperform the Prius. They both have their merits ;)

[TechMech2]

If one device is more expensive, it should be able to justify it. Xbox one can't. It's a system that only appeals to Xbox fanboys,

[tagan8tr]

Toyota fanboy, lol I couldn't resist, juss kiddn DeadRabbits

[H0RSE]

@TechMech2

It does justify the price, because you get more in the box. The Kinect isn't free. The added HDMI-in port is also going to drive up the cost.

Why is it so hard for PS fans to grasp this concept? Even Sony said that if they included the PSeye with the PS4, it would have driven the cost up? This isn't rocket science, I'm really not seeing what is so hard to grasp here...

What if PS4 cost $500 instead of $400, and also had weaker hardware than the X1, but it came with like a free game and a yr subscription of PSN/PS+? What if it came with 2 free games? What if it came with any number of extras that could warrant a price increase? Would it justify the cost?

[GuyThatPlaysGames]

A vagina

[Godhimself_In_3d]

I agree with @Badlypackedkeebab but the truth that needs to told is the advantages in hardware are apparent this early on what happens when they start using the gpgpu, really its not in the xbox1 @all. The could is marketing bull but gpgpu is real. They talk about it on review tech usa /and on redtechgaming its the real thing

[BlackTar187]

Graphic differnce don't matter anymore now people. Didn't you get the memo? I sent it to everyones fax

[BlackTar187]

aw don't be upset people. We changed our line in the sand so we needed to update policies. Now Launch exclusives are very important and graphic difference are not so much.

[MRMagoo123]

Nah the buzz word now is "contrast" and "distance from the tv" those are the important things, if you have an xbone the games will look exactly the same as the ps4 ..............as long as you have your tv is in a reeeeeeallly long room and you sit at one end and the tv at the other.

[sigfredod]

well if you are going to purchase a platform, both offer you the same product yes it matters that one looks better for the same price ($60)

[baodeus]

sO why people on here our bought the ps3 when most muptiplat games (since the beginning and even to later in its life cycle) doesn't function as well as x360? Example: GTA4, RDR, Bayonetta, etc...?

people on here have no problem of paying extra $100 for ps vita tv just so they could play ps4 or ps vita games at 720p and possibly with lag (since it requires internet connection)?

So it is about the resolution, frame rate or it is souly about the games or the potential of what might come from the console offerings?and

I'm having doubt about people claim to be TRUE tamer on here at times

[MatriXcian]

Probably because PS3 exclusives easily outshined 360 ones you do know that PS3 games won " Best Graphics" multiple years in a row dont you?

[baodeus]

- so i guess no one here can explain why they would support ps vita tv to play ps4 games at low resolution, or play low resolution psp/ps vita game on big screen, or even indie games (can possibly be played on SNES) but turn right around and say resolution matters here? I rest my case.

@sigfredod
so why can't people buy games because they like certain exclusives/genra or just like game for what they are (kinda like how people buy ps3 for the exclusives but have to deal with inferior multiplatform games most of the time)? What is your criteria for buying a console? Can people buy both and choose whatever they wanted instead of buying only one while trying hard to justify their purchase?

@rydamgw

Go read my PM to you (see if you can give me an explanation on what is the criteria for graphic award and what does it base on, technical or artistic aspect?) I would love to see your explanation, because so far, no one were able to answer those whenever this topic comes up. I hope you would be the final person to know something (though i don't think you know anything). Crossing my fingers.

[chrissx]

By the time naughty dog and santa monica just to name a few begin releasing exclusives for Ps4, the difference in power btw Ps4 and x1 will be much more clear..yea graphics matter for a console billed as next generation

[Pintheshadows]

I think The Order, Infamous Second Son, and Killzone will show the difference pretty early. It will only increase from there.

[BobBelcher]

not paying for graphics, paying for gameplay.

[Gamer-40]

Simply and true.
Look strong Vita huge flop. "Weak" 3DS the king.
Power not everything.

[sashimi]

3DS $170 vs Ps vita $250
3DS < Ps vita Power

Xbone $500 vs PS4 $400
Xbone < PS4 Power

Yeah that is the same thing...pls get your head checked cause that argument is "Weak"sauce

[WickedLester]

Thank God PS4 will have both!

[AlexanderNevermind]

Yup no more weaker ports on multiplats because the devs didn't want to take the time to work the the hardware. Now the PS4 will be the lead hardware when compared to the x1. And it will have better graphics to boot. Not to mention will most likely have the best exclusives....again.

And lastly, I just used that extra $100 price difference on a 1tb hard drive that MS won't allow its consumers to replace. I'll get my$ 60 camera later...because Sony gave its consumers a choice.

[Pintheshadows]

I play for both so to me the PS4 is the logical choice. If I want a bit more I have my PC which I also purchased for graphics and gameplay.

[cell989]

im paying for both

[KingOdin89]

I'm paying for mp3 playback

[MRMagoo123]

get an mp3 player then , plus the ps4 is getting mps3 playback or havent you heard? way to be offtopic much. Its like this with all the xbone fans , if they cant reach the goal post they just change where it is.

[Hicken]

Because the PS4 versions of Battlefield and Call of Duty will have less gameplay than the XB1 versions.

Oh, wait.

[theXtReMe1]

This is the best and most decisive article that has been written on the subject. While each platform is going to have its own benchmark games, the fact remains that the PS4 does have more powerful hardware. Whether developers put that to use down the line, is purely up to them. I imagine that the Xbox one will have 1080p games, but as the article stated something will have to give in order for that to happen and maintain a decent frame rate. Whether that be low-resolution textures or baked lighting instead of global illumination.

Regardless, each system is going to have great games and it's up to the consumer to pick which system is going to have the games that they want to play. Plain and simple, it's all about the games and it's always been all about the games. So pick the games you want to play, whether that be Dead Rising and Forza or Killzone and Gran Turismo.

Everybody needs to stop the bickering over something that is going to be meaningless while you are having fun with your system that you enjoy. When you were child, did you care about the system or the games? Now, ask yourself why that changed, if it did. Ultimately it's up to how much fun you're going to have with each game, not each system.

[Soc5]

Yeah i agree, all the bickering is really stupid. Instead of attacking each other be more like a community and if there are problems attack the console makers. Be mad at Microsoft not a fellow gamer who had nothing to do with the consoles poor development
Sony and Microsoft both make mistakes and at times are full of bs so let's keep the critiques on them not each other. If someone likes a certain console so what nothing off my back and vice versa

[ShowGun901]

yea but specs do start to matter a little when %95 of the games are multi plat... the games ill play the most this next gen will probably all be 3rd party, so getting the best version of these games is kinda important.

i gotta admit, it got a little frustrating when game informer would give the edge to the 360 version EVERY time... now the shoes on the other foot i guess LOL! i'm just not convinced on spending $200 on kinect 2.0 (with a $300 gaming system)

[Zancruz]

There's two types of people that care about graphics...

1. A person that's spend money on the best equipment that they can afford and calibrates their HDTV/Monitors for visual perfection.

2. Those who just wanna have a pissing contest, while having a sup par set up.

[S-T-F-U]

A quote from the article that stood out to me.

"With all that in mind, there's no denying the PS4 is simply faster at rendering graphics. The end."

I'm quite happy I have now pre-ordered my PS4. Killzone:SF day one then Second Son in Feb for me :)

[GW212]

I have done the exact same. I also preordered The Order. It looks completely unreal.

[cell989]

the fact remains, even without Kinect the xbone should cost less than the PS4

[melemelnyc]

But what about the Cloud. What about the cloud xbox. smh at least u can enjoy ryse in 1080P. Wait that's 900p. Well enjoy saying cool xbox sayings and snap features

[jahfen83]

This is just not Xbox's time. So looking foward to the Xbox One 2, where they will completely redeem themselves. lol

[jmc8888]

People forget that the more you use something the more you become aware of it.

Even if someone who has never played a game at 1080 might say 720 is fine....a year from now, they might have a completely different viewpoint.

Just like if you asked these people used to 600-720p gaming to go back to 480p.

Pretty good article though.

But what he doesn't realize is that the ESRAM is a bigger issue then he thinks.

32MB's means 720p/900p is the norm, because 32MB's is too small for a 1080p framebuffer, unless you pipe everything else through the DDR3. (i.e. 68 gb/s bandwidth)

Since games already use far more than this, the end result is not very good.

Again for anyone that wants to read WHY ESRAM is such a big issue, and why it's not just making things ultra complicated like the CELL, but basically sets a hard limit for anything but the best coders means 720 and 900p is the norm because of DESIGN FLAWS. The flaw...32MB's.

Anyways here it is
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Also to give you a preview, of what's in that thread, you know that 32 MB's number, well at one point KZ:SF's render target was 800 mb's.

Thus in many ways it's WORSE then the cell, because the 32mb's is the issue. Not more complicated coding. Which ALSO is an issue.

So ESRAM has TWO issues.
1. Complicated to code
1b. Even more and wasteful complicated ways to get around that limit
2. 32 MB limit

In other words, in a very real sense, you already have a similar but different situation as the lack of ram in the 360/PS3. But this time the effects are what resolution you can run in and how much room left over you can pipe through the ESRAM. Only so many seats on the ESRAM train, and the frame buffer sucks most of it up, leaving little room for other data.

[Pintheshadows]

It is quite funny as I have seen many of the usual suspects downplaying the gulf and then complaining about gameplay on Youtube which isn't in 1080p. So for Youtube videos of GAMEPLAY it is important but not for the actual GAMEPLAY.

[osprey19]

@ codey47. Your lack of knowledge is disturbing.

The esram is essentially a new upgraded version of the edram that the 360 used, and the 360 was easy to develop for. So fundamentally the ease of development is the same on xbox one. So tell me just how it is a pain in the arse to develop for?

[Codey47]

Your lack of knowledge on how to reply to the correct comment is also laughably disturbing. And the fact that you managed to dissect my post with your blunt little tool, managed to even come to that conclusion is also laughably disturbing.
I've been gaming on consoles and building enthusiast PC rigs for years... (before PC's came with instructions and before youtube were an itch in it's creators skid mark laden Y-Fronts).

Tbh my Creative X-Fi Elite Pro sound card had a 64mb "buffer" called X-RAM... released, at least 8 years ago iirc... designed for use in games to store sound samples for improved gaming performance.

32MB of eSRAM should be "the only straw left to clutch at!"
"Xbox One is weaker and its a pain to use its ESRAM," concluded one developer. ( http://hothardware.com/News... )

Microsoft have tell tale signs in their hardware that proves they are not future proof ...an example : HD DVD had mandatory specifications.
Dolby HD bit-streaming or via Linear PCM being one of them.
Despite HDMI being included in the Xbox 360 premium, it still was not capable of doing LPCM 5.1-7.1, Dolby HD or DTS HD-MA.
Although the PS3 wasn't able to do Dolby HD or DTS HD-MA at launch..the PS3 was able to do Lossless LPCM.

Microsoft could have adopted the HD DVD Format as their own for their games...but still HD DVD made an omission in their future SKU's (360slim) of the XBOX360.. since the HD DVD Add on was discontinued.
But their committal to HD DVD wasn't exactly "committed", to say the least.
And yet they display the same "ignorance" with the XBONE by adding a non upgradable hard drive. COD Ghosts install=49GB.
Any more behemoth installations will equate your hard drive to approximately 8 and a half games to fill your xbone.
The only fact of Microsoft that rings true this year is:
How out of touch with the consumer and developers, actually are.  

@ the PC comments
Tbph I look at steam game stats often, and to me, I'm not a multi billion pound corporation.. but I think that a peak of 523,000 people in a day, with a current figure of 246,403 playing Steam's top game Dota 2.... is not nearly enough for a worldwide daily peak of 5.7million players.
The second game is Team Fortress 2 with a maximum player count of 79k.
There maybe a method to Gabe Newell's madness with the steam box and after seeing those stats...there's a reason why he and his company want a piece of the console "pie"(No pun intended)

Rest of steam stats can be found here ( http://store.steampowered.c... )

The funny thing is, the majority of people here, have no clue or the experience needed to comment on PC gaming. When in reality they are the ones trying to entice people with "buy a £$600 PC's if you want visual fidelity"... of which I consider as extremely heinous advice.

If you want a GOOD gaming PC...you see those requirements on the back?
Ignore the minimum specifications and quadruple the recommended or optimal requirements for true optimal visual fidelity and optimal framerate.

Tbph as a PC Gamer we should be thankful of Sony and Microsoft this year...because it means the consolisation/consolization of PC games are (or should be) a thing of the past.

TL:DR.. If the M$ drones took Microsoft's flaccid penis out of their mouths for longer than a second....... they may actually be able to see what's being presented to them.

[Infamous298]

360 wasn't easy to develop for but it was easier than developing fo the PS3, now that the PS4 is powerful and easy to develop for, xbox one have no chance

[Codey47]

I also noticed this

"Then there's memory bandwidth. The PS4 packs 8GB of GDDR5 running at 5.5GHz data rate and thus packs 176GB/s of bandwidth. The Xbox One? 8GB of DDR3 at 2.13GHz and thus just 68.33GB/s. Oh dear."

The memory is also doubled in speed.

The Microsoft devotees had plenty of belief in past rumour/rumors

First it was 12gb of RAM...then dGPU
"they are on similar architectures... so they should perform the same" then after resolutiongate it's "the Xbone is like the cell and it's hard to develop for just like the PS3"

Microsoft should change their name to Scientology because both have the same deluded devotees.

[bligmerk]

A lot of gamers still don't understand fundamental videgame console design and actually believe the design will keep changing, all the way to showing up on the store shelf.

The reality of console design is the baseline configuration has to be fixed, set in stone, finalized at some points many months before production. The XBone design was finalized late in 2012 and the PS4 design was finalized in early 2013. The XBone is actually a console from 2012 and the PS4 is a console from 2013. The Xbone has a last generation GPU, the PS4 has a next gen GPU. The PS4 has faster memory and a faster CPU. The MS lapdog xbots are delusional, and they are starting to sound either very silly or mentally disturbed with their delusions.

[mkis007]

I don't usual respond to comments trying to pick a fight one way or the other (or maybe I do).

But I find it interesting that ps4 conceptualization started back in 2008 while xbox1 started in 2010. That is a lot of extra planning time.

[Brix90]

Obviously games are important but I didn't pay for a 1080p 240Hz Flat screen for nothing is all I'm saying. People also forget graphics bring more detail to games ask PC gamers I don't think there updating there graphics cards for nohing

[mrmarx]

PS4 says to XBONE

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[gamer2013]

The Xb1 has more potential because it offers a lot more than just a little more power. If you want true power buy a PC.

[AlexanderNevermind]

I have a PC. I also have a direct tv dvr. I don't need my console to be a all in one. Let it be a gaming console 1st and everything else is secondary.

[osprey19]

Power power power, doesn't anyone remember that the ps3 was vastly more powerful than the xb360 but 9/10 games looked better on xb360. The same is happening again.

The people who bought into the 50% more power thing is a hard pill to swallow when the games look identical.
Same memory, yes
50% more shaders, yes
50% better??? No

[Nekroo91]

the 360 wass easier to develop because the ps3 uses a cellprocessor.

and now the x1 is harder to develop and its also weaker.fail

And no the same isnt happening ps4 versions are better

[Utalkin2me]

@osprey19

Well it easy to say these games look better. But give me some comparisons. Like tell me what looks better then Uncharted, Killzone, GodofWar, Gt5. I know its all preference based, but you make some good comparisons, and i will take your first comment a little more seriously.

[osprey19]

Just look at the battlefield 4 comparisons. Critics are either saying there is no difference or xb1 looks better. Look it up

[C-Thunder]

@osprey, you must be blind. The aliasing on the xbox is horrible and the frame rate is worse. People saying otherwise are lying, that's all there is to it.

[MatriXcian]

Yet PS3 exclusices MURDERED 360 ones graphically. You 360 fanboys do remember PS3 exclusives winning best graphics multiple years in a row dont you? Well now those same AMAZING developers are making games for the more powerful PS4. Xbone should cower with its tail between its legs.

[RyanShutup]

OF COURSE THEY MATTER... otherwise we'd all just be sticking with our current gen 720p native platforms...

[TheObserver]

Of course it matters.

http://i.imgur.com/m4vZL4Q....

http://mkerala.com/u/image....

http://i.imgur.com/HAxzbsh....

If you can't tell what's wrong with those 3 pictures from BF4 Xbox One MP gameplay. . . You need glasses.

[givemeshelter]

If the Xbox One was the same cost or lower than the PS4, this would not be an issue. The fact that the first time in console history that the weaker console system costs more at retail launch then the more powerful system is telling.
The differences are not going to be huge lets be honest about that, however that's irrelevant. The Xbox One costs a full $100 more and is not as "system" capable as the PS4. What Microsoft was thinking with this price point is beyond insane.

[bleedsoe9mm]

i understand if for some the $100 is a big issue , but for me i'll give them the extra money for kinect 2 , i'll buy and play sports rivals with the family and the kids will love phantasia and i'm sure an eventual dance game , if the TV and IR blast stuff works as advertised it will be well worth the extra cash

[givemeshelter]

Unfortunately you will be in the minority for consumers buying a new console. Look at the history of consoles. Price was a main factor in the success or failure of a console matched with games. It's always been like this...
Considering most if not all 3rd party games will hit both systems and 3rd party system sellers, price will once again be a major factor.
Expect to see a major price cut from Microsoft before the Xbox One is a year old.
It's going to get slaughtered in sales across the board at that price point.

[bleedsoe9mm]

@givemeshelter i'm not convinced its going to be that much of a minority , at least no more than ps3 to 360 . even if you give the edge to the ps4 being slightly more powerful , historically the most powerful system never wins the generation

[TENTONGUN]

@bleedso

thats true my original xbox was more power than the ps2. look at the results. but people are way more informed now a days so... idk man its just different times. the x1 wont be a dreamcast this comming gen im sure, but i dont think ms will be around the next gen unless they pull some sega shit. just sayin

[mkis007]

the most powerful console has not ever been the least expensive.

[Budule]

Ps4 more powerful so bash the xbox 1 owners (before either has even hit the shelves mind you) so where are the PC people that should be bashing the PS4 people?.....(maybe they are the actual grow-ups in the room).......I hope both massively succeed and that even Nintendo comes back....whats the harm here?.......(xbox one on pre-order, PS4 in near future)......

[McScroggz]

Here's one way to look at it. It's not only that there will be a difference in visuals, because a lot of people won't notice it (or at least a big difference). However, it portends the definite possibility for games to have lower FPS and other technical shortcomings. While a lot of people have turned this into a graphics debate, it's a lot more generalized.

You may not really care if a one version of a game is 720p and another is 1080p because you have a 720p TV or don't notice the difference, buy you WILL feel a difference if one game stutters or has inconsistent framerate drops.

[C-Thunder]

Exactly, it's like everyone is overlooking the fact that not only is the PS4 running in higher resolution, it's also doing it with a better frame rate.

[mkis007]

I am surprised this hasn't been the discussion. If the ps4/xbox1 comparison of BF4 is looked at, we see the ps4 consistently outperforming the xbox1 by 2-4 fps (locking better/faster). It is not just outperforming it though by 2-4 fps; it is rendering at a higher resolution and still keeping thefps advantage. What happens if the res is the same? The ps4 should be default run considerably better.

[Aerialbots]

if the xbox one can't do 1080p how is forza 1080p or is it 720p?

[bleedsoe9mm]

its 1080 , the only thing we can say for sure is the ps4 is slightly more powerful , and it appears its easier to develop for , multiple reporters from different websites have said this is a launch issue and will be resolved in the next batch of games

[Aerialbots]

oh ok cool thanks for the info

[C-Thunder]

Moving car on a static background....killer instinct isn't even 1080, shouldn't that be cause for concern?

[cyhm3112]

hope you people are not so stupid and buy this xo crap.

[bligmerk]

Looks like the MS shill checks for gaming websites are starting to show up, with the simple direction from MS "Write about how balance is more important in a game than graphics".

Now, why would they do that? Move attention away from graphics, hmmm....

PS4
Killzone SF.....1080p, 30-60 fps
Resogun.........1080p, 60 fps
COD Ghosts..1080p, 60 fps
DriveClub.......1080p, 30 fps, dev working on 60
Knack............1080p, ? fps
Infamous.......1080p, ? fps
Battlefield 4....900p, 60fps
DC Universe....1080p, 60 fps
Warframe F2P..1080p, ? fps
Deep Down F2P..1080p, ? fps, beta at launch

Xbox One
Forza 5..........1080p, 60 fps
Ryse..............900p, 30 fps
Killer Instinct..720p, 60 fps
DR 3..............720p, 30 fps
COD Ghosts....720p, 60 fps
Titanfall..........720p, 60 fps
Battlefield 4.....720p, 60fps

[gamer2013]

*scratches head* You call people who like Xbox shills yet you're kind are the worst brand cheerleaders by far. Reality check buddy!

[Golden_Mud]

Titanfall isn't known yet.......

[IQUITN4G]

People that notice tech in this way are not the majority that buys these systems anyway - not these days anyway

I'll quite happily buy into that PS4 is the more powerful machine but it doesn't seem so drastically obvious when you see these games side by side. And that means the majority especially wont notice this either

Who honestly gives a shit these days when both machines are at least powerful enough to do the job

[mkis007]

You are correct; more people notice the price tag. Then the games, which if the ps4 has any problems with visibility that is where it will be. Having 2 titles on the shelf only on ps4 will be a challenge for sony until FEB, but if history has told me anything, it is that First person shooters sell consoles.

[IQUITN4G]

It shall be an interesting time

[ps4lifesucka]

yeah it matters. No one wants to pay 100 dollars more just to play their games at 720 or 900 res

[LEOPARD1030]

http://i.minus.com/ib0gOrDz...

The difference is abysmal.

[credit86]

am payin a hundred dollars more so i never get scheduled maintenance or worse unscheduled maintence cause a bunch of kids launch a denial of service attack on a poorly secured network dont get me wrong ps4 is a raw beast compared to my one but ill be cool with it 1080 will come for us too but until it does we'll just settle for titanfall at 720 what resolution is it gonna be on ps4 again?? :x

[C-Thunder]

That sequel or that goty edition (depending on ea's contract) will be 1080 on ps4. Though I don't get why there's so much excitement for a 6 vs 6 online only game.

[credit86]

7 v 7 lad aww unes will be gettin the sequel defo just bad business not but titanfalls no cod there not gonna rush out games itll be a two year rotation and the xbox dev tools should up too scratch by then so 1080 shouldnt be a difficulty then( not denien itll look better on ps4 its just gonna be a long while before does)

[mixelon]

The reason PSN got hacked was partly due to the fact that Sony pissed off a lot of nerds.*(An oversimplification but true)

Who's pissing off the nerds this time around? MS are getting more people angry than Sony have in years. Microsoft have beenas close to "asking for trouble" as a tech company can get for a while.

* (I use nerd in an affectionate way!)

[credit86]

lol aww i know this but the security system was so outdated it made it very easy m$ got attacked too 1 hour down time was the result over a month for psn

[iiorestesii]

Guys just for your general information...the official abbriviation for MS has been changed to MSA. This after breaking news today when the NSA bought out MS for [classified] USD. MSA says it intends to use your xb to not only study your spending habits, but your emotional, private reactions to your spending as well.

[Gore-Content]

Another *sshole downplaying the issue.

[SDIII]

Xbox One: System $500+$25 battery pack (MS Branded, since a pack is included with ps4)+ one year of live $60+ one game times my tax of 9.25% for the state of California (there is no tax for live so I did not add it to that) = $704

PS4: System $400+ $50 for PS PLUS (There is no tax on PS plus) + $60 game+ tax= $552

I save $152 by purchasing the ps4. Thats two and a half extra games I can buy.

[oscarcat59]

Sorry for those worried about 100 dollars. If that mattered to me that much I would not buy any console.

[annus]

To be fair, $100 is a decent amount of money for those 12 year olds.

[theAMC1981]

I will pay $100 more because I want a Xbox One and $400 for a PS4. PS4 will have games run at 720 some times I'm sure, and the One will have some at 1080p. We could see how 1080p @60fps with Forza looks compared to PS4 Battlefield 4 which isn't the same game, but people will try. It all depends on how good each online service will play in multiplayer since live felt better to a lot of people. Both consoles will be awesome in November believe that.

[Rageanitus]

So we are still fighting over which console has better graphics .... even before the games come out.

I thought consoles were more about games and less about graphics....

I prefer PC gaming and all, and graphics does have a role, but its quite funny to hear COnsole players back off from the graphics mentality when it is PC vs the consoles.

The reality is we already hear even the Ps4 having games at sub 1080p levels but PS4 fanboys put a blind eye on that.

Ppl should get real.... its all about the overall feel of the platform. I most likely gonna get a PS4 because of the PAST exclusives and support by sony, but I will not cancel out Xbox Just yet.

[YodaCracker]

I'm much more concerned about the features the consoles will offer and the exclusive lineups rather than a resolution difference you would only notice when comparing screenshots side-by-side. If it's actually a noticeable difference that hinders my experience then I'll worry about it.

In the meantime, I've been skimming through the comments here trying to see arguments on both sides of the battle. As N4G is mostly populated with PlayStation fans I've been having a hard time finding the viewpoint of Xbox fans among the hundreds of comments. But then I found a simple way to filter out the comments of Xbox fans. Rather than skimming through the text of each comment, just glance down the Disagrees. You can very easily find the comments of Xbox One supporters this way. Try it for yourself!

[Rageanitus]

I think N4G should create a mechanism like Ebay. You can put agree/disagree only if you put a comment on.

This will screen out the trolls, and there will be a true discussion rather than random clicks of agree's and disagrees.

[Krosis]

"In that sense, you probably know who you are already. If you're a sucker for super-detailed graphics, there can be only one choice. PC."
There. Fixed.

[Krosis]

It's all about "teh Graphics" when kids squabble about their consoles...Bring PC into the mix then it's all about "teh gamez" and "graphics don't matter" lol

I just don't understand why you people are going on about the PS4 s "powerz"...I mean...the hardware in both consoles is rather mediocre compared to what's available. Mark Cerny may call the PS4 'a super charged PC', but the reality is the best computer the guy ever owned was a Macbook.

Amazing how the topic of conversation on this site hasn't changed in over a decade.

[batbatz]

why why why would anyone buy a more expensive less powerful console? why?

[4lc4pon3]

Not sure if anyone remembers this but..

"Microsoft's Engineers On Xbox One: "We Purposefully Did Not Target The Highest End Graphics."

"Speaking to Engadget in a making-of video, as reported by CVG, Silicon development GM Greg Williams claimed that the computing giant "purposefully" did not target high-end graphics for the new console.

He went on to say that the reason Microsoft had decided against competing on graphical and game performance was due to its focus on a broad entertainment system, rather than gaming-specific hardware."

[RIP_Cell]

am I allowed to have both because both have games I want to play?

[Korkman]

Not really much difference between current gen and the ps4/x1 either that or I've had to many bourbons

[insomniacgamer]

With you on this one, I think the difference will be in the things behind the scenes so to speak. Which Corp will have a better infrastructure, for lack of a better term, to stand on.

These blustering blogs and articles are all grandstanding bs and fanboys defending one console or the other blindly. Nobody has a clue how it will play out because...lol, they are not out yet. Until you have it on hand then everything else is just posturing. Specs are great to a point but then so many other technical factors come into play that dynamically change things. You need to see for yourself how it looks, feels, and plays because cheap gifs and armchair professionals are just playing the hype for hits prior to launch.

In the end I would say buy the console you want for the games you want. Stop being sheep and following the flock of opinion and just get what you want. Nobody can say you are wrong or stupid, it is your taste and money.

These console wars are stupid and people lose track of the bigger picture. We are gamers, go with your instinct and just have fun...

[Korkman]

Fully bro. i can't believe people can get so upset or be so passionate over a gaming console.ive got both 360 and ps3 I think 360 is alot better for online play and ps is better for exclusives.next gen I like look of titanfall and project spark looks like something could get into but I will wait to see what ps4 exclusives come out next year till then I spend my time else where

[Matt666]

It only matters if your a graphics whore, otherwise enjoy the game what ever console you get it on.

[shysun]

Good read.

[MrZkaar]

When you have a 60" LED TV, yes it does matter. I want 900p minimum for next-gen, not crappy upscaled 720p blur-fest.

[Rageanitus]

Why 900p Min? is it because we are gonna see many games from PS4 and XONE front dip down below 1080p.

The min should be the native resolution of your monitor/TV since. Almost all TV's now are 1080p native.

This goes the same with the PC market, its not like we are running on CRT monitors anymore. A monitor/tv panel is calibrated at a native resolution. Meaning it is optimal at that resolution When gaming on a PC monitor I Aim for native monitor resolution when gaming because there is a huge difference in LOOK when you just downgrade it SLIGHTLY, because it is not native.

[andrarfc]

It costs more because they decided to include the new kinect, which is why the internal hardware isn't as strong. It's all about ballance. It's not rocket science!

[marcofdeath]

BEST PS4 V.S. XBOX ONE VIDEO............
http://www.ign.com/videos/2...

AND the winner is XBOX ONE!

[mixelon]

Are you watching the video at 1080p? The X1 is an absolute over-exposed jaggy-fest. Even the 360 version is better for jaggies a lot of the time. Which is pretty appalling.

And don't tell me you don't notice that in gameplay. I certainly do, it's horrid - whether it's in GTAV, TLOU or whatever. Net gen really should have decent AA.

[logikil]

So the choice here is pretty clear. Unlike last gen for me where the 360 was used for first party and third party with the PS3 used for first party almost exclusively, the roles now have shifted and the PS4 will be the primary system with the XB1 used for exclusives. The comments about the extra hundred dollars are sort of ridiculous. The reason for it is the inclusion of Kinect. Its almost a given that at some point here Kinect will be removed from the equation and bring the price down to parity with the PS4. Lastly trying to take the examples of BF4 and COD:G and extrapolate those resolutions to all games on the XB1 is just dumb. Its a certainty that games on the XB1 will be running at 1080p. Figure at this point most gamers will have made a decision to grab the PS4 early and wait about a year for the XB1, at least that's my plan.

[James Vanderbeek]

who really cares. it all boils down to what games you want to play and for my that is the ps4. You get your fps games plus way more like uncharted, last of us, god of war, and the list goes on. can you imagine what those games are going to look like on the ps4?

[DivineAssault]

PS4 games will look & run better all through nx gen.. Theres absolutely NO debating it.. Graphics arent everything so xbone gamers will be ok but im a die hard sony fan because of the value, services, & exclusives.. the games being superior is just a plus